Impeach. Remove. Bar from Office.

 

For two months, President Donald Trump has promoted increasingly unhinged conspiracy theories and fanned the flames of outrage among his most dedicated supporters. Today, America learned that some people on the fringe took this all too seriously. Following a particularly ugly Trump speech, the crowd tore down barriers surrounding the US Capitol, assaulted police officers, and forced their way in. The following photos are not from Caracas or Minsk, but the capital city of the most powerful nation on earth.

At the Trump rally, Rudy Giuliani called for a “trial by combat.” He got it. Multiple injuries to law enforcement officers have been reported by the Capitol Police.

Shots were reported fired in the Capitol itself. One “protestor” was shot in the neck and carried away on a stretcher.

As the siege intensified, Trump blasted his own vice president on Twitter for refusing to break the law and overturn the election.

Senators, Representatives, and Capitol Hill staff fled the building for safety.

Later, Trump tweeted that his supporters shouldn’t use violence against the police. It was already too late.

Trump finally uploaded a video, spending the vast majority of the time claiming the election was stolen, but adding that the mob ransacking the Capitol should go home.

These are not protestors. They are terrorists. They are insurrectionists.

Just like Antifa over the summer, MAGAtifa needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

GOP Senators planning to protest the vote need to stop their grandstanding and accept the results.

Since the sitting president seems unwilling to strenuously condemn the violence he urged on, Vice President Pence should confer with the Cabinet to remove Trump via the 25th Amendment of the Constitution.

Congress should then bar Donald Trump from ever holding a future federal office.

Enough.

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  1. Instugator Thatcher
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    There is much that can, and perhaps should, be unpacked here. But doing so will require care and precision, and not splenetic, random, venting.

    Perhaps you should direct your comment to Jon – his “splenetic, random, venting” is why we are discussing this now.

    I did as much a couple of months ago. Although, IMHO, splenetic, random, venting is sometimes cathartic and useful. Responding to SVR with more of the same though, especially over the course of months, doesn’t move the conversation in a very useful direction. Again, IMHO.

    I think you mean “SRV” as opposed to “SVR” – so I am going to interpret it as such (since I don’t know what you would mean if you really meant “SVR”).

    That being said – I only returned here because I was notified and yet I was hopeful that in the rational light of 2 months later Jon would have the stones to say something to the effect of “maybe I was a bit overboard there…” which, had that happened, would have increased my respect for him dramatically.  As it stands, his index remains as low as it ever was.

    By the way SRV was awesome. Left us far too soon.

     

     

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
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    Seems like someone’s initial post just weather’s worse and worse as time goes by

     

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/as-the-insurrection-narrative-crumbles

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  3. Hans Gruber Pfizer President Inactive
    Hans Gruber Pfizer President
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    Hi mom.

    • #1173
  4. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    So, it turns out there were “at least 200” Feds and undercover operatives working the Trump entrapment plot on January 6.

    That’s according to U.S. Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA), who sat down for a recent interview on the matter.

    “The FBI was not just participating in the January 6th acts from within. I suspect they had over 200 agents embedded in the crowd, including agents or, as they would call it, human assets inside the Capitol dressed as Trump supporters before the doors were opened.”

    This figure is in the realm of possibility, given the newly released J6 videos, court documents, and witness statements.

    “And when you track the text threads and the communications within those groups and find the origins of suggestions of potential violence or an active occupation of the Capitol on January 6th, you’ll find that those messages were led by members of the groups that ended up to be the FBI agents that had infiltrated the group.”

    “So the FBI’s involvement was deep, not just on J6, but on the days and weeks and months prior.”

    There is now zero doubt that J6 was a set-up.

    The Trump “incitement” narrative had been hatched months prior, as the infamous Time “shadow cabal” article made clear.

    The J6 riot was war-gamed multiple times before the Electoral College.

    The FBI unconstitutionally used NSA surveillance to track the extremist groups seeking to disrupt the event. It had Federal informants embedded in multiple extremist groups, including the Proud Boys.

    Yet, somehow, the FBI and Capitol Police were woefully “unprepared” despite multiple advance warnings, including from then Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund.

    D.C. Mayor Bowser, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, former Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, and others, refused to press for more National Guard, despite it being documented and on the record that former President Donald Trump wanted 10,000 National Guard troops outside Congress to protect the Electoral College.

    Also, there was no ‘centrally coordinated’ plot to overturn the results of the 2020 election, as FBI sources told Reuters in an August 2021 report.

    Indeed, that was the entire point of the election challenges during the convening of the Electoral College.

    If Donald Trump wanted to overturn the 2020 election results, he would not have disrupted the Electoral College. He would have continued to pursue his legal challenges and his Constitutional right to challenge electoral slates in Congress.

    Trump would not have sent in unarmed extremists to disrupt the Electoral College in order to ‘retain power.’

    This is not only illogical, it is absurd on its face.

    Nonetheless, this ridiculous partisan narrative has constituted the basis for prosecuting a former president in what has devolved into a partisan show trial and tantamount to election interference. It is not only ironic, but a disgrace to our entire justice system. January 6 was a Fed-manufactured riot to frame a sitting president and carry out election interference in 2024.

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    https://rumble.com/v3xyo53-shocking-new-jan-6-footage-released.html

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  6. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
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    Well, Clay Higgins is not the right sort of Republican. 

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  7. Hoyacon Member
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    “January 6 was a Fed-manufactured riot to frame a sitting president and carry out election interference in 2024. ”

    I want to believe, but no.

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  8. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    “January 6 was a Fed-manufactured riot to frame a sitting president and carry out election interference in 2024. ”

    I want to believe, but no.

    That video above at Rumble is eye-opening. And infuriating. In particular, the video of the cops tossing one grenade after another into the crowd. (Or firing directly at them with rubber bullets. The image of the bullet lodged in the face of that man will stay with you.) The conversations of the cops is chilling.

     

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  9. Hoyacon Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    “January 6 was a Fed-manufactured riot to frame a sitting president and carry out election interference in 2024. ”

    I want to believe, but no.

    That video above at Rumble is eye-opening. And infuriating. In particular, the video of the cops tossing one grenade after another into the crowd. (Or firing directly at them with rubber bullets. The image of the bullet lodged in the face of that man will stay with you.) The conversations of the cops is chilling.

    I agree.  I was only commenting on that particular sentence from the tweet, with which I disagree as going too far.  Was there federal involvement? Yes.  Was it Fed-manufactured?  I don’t believe so.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    “January 6 was a Fed-manufactured riot to frame a sitting president and carry out election interference in 2024. ”

    I want to believe, but no.

    That video above at Rumble is eye-opening. And infuriating. In particular, the video of the cops tossing one grenade after another into the crowd. (Or firing directly at them with rubber bullets. The image of the bullet lodged in the face of that man will stay with you.) The conversations of the cops is chilling.

    I agree. I was only commenting on that particular sentence from the tweet, with which I disagree as going too far. Was there federal involvement? Yes. Was it Fed-manufactured? I don’t believe so.

    Only the violence/riot part needed to be manufactured.  But that’s the main issue.  The people were already there, but what evidence is there that it would have become a “riot” absent the fed instigation?

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  11. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I agree. I was only commenting on that particular sentence from the tweet, with which I disagree as going too far. Was there federal involvement? Yes. Was it Fed-manufactured? I don’t believe so.

    Why not? The Feds have been credibly accused of manufacturing many crimes by instigation.

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  12. Hoyacon Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I agree. I was only commenting on that particular sentence from the tweet, with which I disagree as going too far. Was there federal involvement? Yes. Was it Fed-manufactured? I don’t believe so.

    Why not? The Feds have been credibly accused of manufacturing many crimes by instigation.

    This is about the documented events of one series of crimes and an incident of considerable magnitude.  There is no credible evidence that the riot was “manufactured.”  In fact, the sedition trials of the Oath Keepers etc. indicate otherwise.

    It’s one thing to think that there was federal involvement in exacerbating the situation that needs to be addressed, and another thing to think that the feds created it.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    This is about the documented events of one series of crimes and an incident of considerable magnitude.  There is no credible evidence that the riot was “manufactured.”  In fact, the sedition trials of the Oath Keepers etc. indicate otherwise.

    It’s one thing to think that there was federal involvement in exacerbating the situation that needs to be addressed, and another thing to think that the feds created it.

    I think the trials you mention are important in that the feds had assets embedded in these organizations, and we must ask if without those embeds any of the actions they committed that day would have happened. See also: the “kidnapping plot” of Gretchen Whitmer, which was organized, plotted, and planned entirely by the FBI.

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  14. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Regardless of manufactured or not, the OP has been refuted pretty well since its emotional posting. 

    • #1184
  15. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Regardless of manufactured or not, the OP has been refuted pretty well since its emotional hysterical posting.

    Suggested edit.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Regardless of manufactured or not, the OP has been refuted pretty well since its emotional hysterical posting.

    Suggested edit.

    Good point.

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Regardless of manufactured or not, the OP has been refuted pretty well since its emotional hysterical posting.

    Suggested edit.

    No.

    They mean different things and the post is not hysterical. 

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  18. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Regardless of manufactured or not, the OP has been refuted pretty well since its emotional hysterical posting.

    Suggested edit.

    No.

    They mean different things and the post is not hysterical.

    I was trying to find a word that would get by the CoC.

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