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We know the country is in trouble. Our tendency is to point to movements, campaigns and organizations for our present circumstances. And yet, sadly, we must look at human nature, our lives in the 21st century, to realize how we’ve arrived at this moment. Most of us could not have imagined the advancement of accusations of racism, the teaching of socialism, the totalitarian lockdowns and the corruption of culture. On reflection, however, I think I can see how we arrived here.

As human beings, we are mostly averse to change; others have said that it’s not the change that disturbs us, but the potential outcomes. But first, we must acknowledge that change is even occurring. And for the last several years, we either didn’t notice the changes, discounted their importance or simply tried to ignore them. We saw the impending changes as happening outside our own lives, happening to others, and we chose not to pay attention to them. Or we flicked them away like annoying flies, disturbing our peace of mind or the predictable course of our lives. We didn’t realize that those flies that we were trying to ignore were actually tsunamis-in-waiting.

When a tsunami occurs, we don’t realize what is happening unless we know the nature of tsunamis. Somewhere, probably far from us, the earth has shifted under the ocean:

To those on the shore, the first sign of something amiss can be the retreat of the sea, which is followed by the arrival of large waves.

‘The sea was driven back, and its waters flowed away to such an extent that the deep seabed was laid bare and many kinds of sea creatures could be seen,’ wrote Roman historian Ammianus Marcellus, awed at a tsunami that struck the then-thriving port of Alexandria in 365 AD.

‘Huge masses of water flowed back when least expected, and now overwhelmed and killed many thousands of people…. Some great ships were hurled by the fury of the waves onto the rooftops, and others were thrown up to two miles (three kilometers) from the shore.’

Why do I use the example of the tsunami to represent the state of America?

We didn’t know how to recognize that such overwhelming changes were coming.

The signs were there: society was becoming more secular as people abandoned their churches; schools were teaching a hatred for America and a love of socialism; an old trope of a racist America was revived, and social media gave people permission to ostracize one another at will.

These shifts didn’t begin to happen yesterday. But we were all caught up in our own lives. After all, the churches still existed; the schools were still being built; the teachers were teaching; universities were still being funded; we were living in greater freedom and a less racist society than ever before.

Suddenly, though, everything began drastically to change. All the vestiges of society still existed: the churches, ancient and new, still stood, but few people attended; schools were still teaching, but parents had no idea what hatred their children were learning, and social media became a cesspool for cancel culture. No one realized that, like a tsunami, everything was “pulling away” from the cultural norms and the morals and ethics of America. We watched it with a kind of fascination wondering, at a distance, what it meant, yet being uneasy as we watched life in retreat.

And now the tsunami may be approaching, and we don’t know what to do.

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The initial step for escaping a tsunami is to get to high ground. In our times, we have to get to a place where we can escape the toxic environment and come together, to places that are safe and will keep us from drowning in the morass.

Then similar organizations must realize that they are not alone, that others want to preserve the foundations of what they have: churches, small businesses, parents, and educators that have not been lost to the swamp; and in each group, there must be resilient people who have the courage and persistence to defy the pressures and condemnations of the Left. They must be powerful leaders who realize that there is too much to lose if we don’t step up. They must lead people to speak up against ugliness and totalitarian motives and remind them that our children and our country are at stake. They must recruit others of a similar mindset, who are willing to take risks and speak out. And we must follow their examples and bring in others to help us do this work.

These actions will not have an impact overnight. Circumstances may get uglier before they start to improve. Every chance we have to celebrate pushing back, courageous actions and accomplishments for the good, the true, and the beautiful should be shared among groups, since there are a few organizations in the media who will promote our efforts and our successes. Although each of the groups will identify their own resources and strategies, they must liaison with each other. We have to create a powerful coalition within our society. With enough collaboration, we will create a groundswell of forces.

We will form our own tsunami and extinguish those forces that want to destroy us.

We will take back our country, one step at a time.

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  1. Stad Coolidge

    Susan Quinn: We will take back our country, one step at a time.

    I worry we’ll have to do this by force. I’m ready, but I also worry I’m too old to be effective . . .

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    • December 30, 2020, at 1:20 PM PST
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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: We will take back our country, one step at a time.

    I worry we’ll have to do this by force. I’m ready, but I also worry I’m too old to be effective . . .

    I worry, too, Stad, and hope it won’t come to that. The sooner we act, the better.

    • #2
    • December 30, 2020, at 1:23 PM PST
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  3. Stad Coolidge

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: We will take back our country, one step at a time.

    I worry we’ll have to do this by force. I’m ready, but I also worry I’m too old to be effective . . .

    I worry, too, Stad, and hope it won’t come to that. The sooner we act, the better.

    There are a lot of younger people who still love this country. I hope they’re strong enough to resist the soon-to-be-coming woke purges, cancellations, and doxxings sure to follow when Harris Biden is sworn in. I still hope for a Hail Mary in January . . .

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    • December 30, 2020, at 1:29 PM PST
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  4. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    I am pessimistic about the short-term.

    Susan, I don’t see any particular policy recommendations that you suggest, to turn things around. I do think that our country is a mess. We’re in agreement about that. You write about the need to “speak out” and form a “powerful coalition.” To do what, exactly?

    We seem to differ on the diagnosis, and therefore to differ on the path forward.

    Do you have any specific ideas?

    • #4
    • December 30, 2020, at 1:51 PM PST
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  5. Rodin Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    To do what, exactly?

    “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” Any thing that undermines the thinking and actions represented by the Benito Mussolini quote. 

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    • December 30, 2020, at 1:59 PM PST
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  6. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    To do what, exactly?

    “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” Any thing that undermines the thinking and actions represented by the Benito Mussolini quote.

    I don’t think that I understand you.

    If I do understand, then I find your idea to be incorrect and unsophisticated. It sounds like simplistic anti-statism. Which is anarchy, by the way, not Utopia. This was Rousseau’s bad idea — which led first to the Terror and then to the likes of Mussolini.

    The anarchy, also, leads directly to tyranny, because people are quite willing to turn to a tyrant to avoid anarchy. Again, the example is Mussolini, and others.

    This is a good illustration of my point. There is no plan, no program. Just a cliche. “Don’t be Mussolini.” Well, there are many bad things other than Mussolini, and Mussolini wasn’t as bad as most.

    I think that we can do a lot better, but what would it be?

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    • December 30, 2020, at 2:38 PM PST
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  7. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    I think that the groups that align will need to decide. If I had a say, it would be teaching traditional American history, including our contributions to the world; limiting the power of big tech; law and order against riots and destruction. I would also encourage churches, businesses and schools to unify against state and local govts. That’s for starters.

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    • December 30, 2020, at 3:28 PM PST
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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    So, Jerry, hear you complaining about the state of the country. My post was meant to be a clarion call, not a policy statement. What do you plan to do to turn things around? What risks are you prepared to take? Or do you just plan on complaining and blaming everyone else for the condition of the country?

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    • December 30, 2020, at 4:07 PM PST
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  9. Raxxalan Member
    Raxxalan Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    To do what, exactly?

    “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” Any thing that undermines the thinking and actions represented by the Benito Mussolini quote.

    I don’t think that I understand you.

    If I do understand, then I find your idea to be incorrect and unsophisticated. It sounds like simplistic anti-statism. Which is anarchy, by the way, not Utopia. This was Rousseau’s bad idea — which led first to the Terror and then to the likes of Mussolini.

    The anarchy, also, leads directly to tyranny, because people are quite willing to turn to a tyrant to avoid anarchy. Again, the example is Mussolini, and others.

    This is a good illustration of my point. There is no plan, no program. Just a cliche. “Don’t be Mussolini.” Well, there are many bad things other than Mussolini, and Mussolini wasn’t as bad as most.

    I think that we can do a lot better, but what would it be?

    First and foremost we need to restore federalism. If I wanted to live like a Californian I would move there. Our country can’t continue to exist if we can’t allow different politics and ideologies to have space to coexist. Next we need to find a way to take actions to secure our elections. Fraud played a part, I think a large part, in 2020 we have to address that to have a hope of moving forward. Finally we need to address our culture that is more problematic because that shouldn’t involve government action for the most part, although there will be some action that needs to occur as part of education reform which will involve the government. There is no magic bullet. There is no normal to return to. There are no solutions that are easy. It will cost everyone something. There is no way back only forward. Like all Tsunami’s what ever was before is destroyed. The only thing we can hope to do is is “grab some fragment and shore them up against our ruin” to paraphrase Eliot.

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    • December 31, 2020, at 9:55 AM PST
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  10. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    To do what, exactly?

    “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” Any thing that undermines the thinking and actions represented by the Benito Mussolini quote.

    I don’t think that I understand you.

    If I do understand, then I find your idea to be incorrect and unsophisticated. It sounds like simplistic anti-statism. Which is anarchy, by the way, not Utopia. This was Rousseau’s bad idea — which led first to the Terror and then to the likes of Mussolini.

    The anarchy, also, leads directly to tyranny, because people are quite willing to turn to a tyrant to avoid anarchy. Again, the example is Mussolini, and others.

    This is a good illustration of my point. There is no plan, no program. Just a cliche. “Don’t be Mussolini.” Well, there are many bad things other than Mussolini, and Mussolini wasn’t as bad as most.

    I think that we can do a lot better, but what would it be?

    First and foremost we need to restore federalism. If I wanted to live like a Californian I would move there. Our country can’t continue to exist if we can’t allow different politics and ideologies to have space to coexist. Next we need to find a way to take actions to secure our elections. Fraud played a part, I think a large part, in 2020 we have to address that to have a hope of moving forward. Finally we need to address our culture that is more problematic because that shouldn’t involve government action for the most part, although there will be some action that needs to occur as part of education reform which will involve the government. There is no magic bullet. There is no normal to return to. There are no solutions that are easy. It will cost everyone something. There is no way back only forward. Like all Tsunami’s what ever was before is destroyed. The only thing we can hope to do is is “grab some fragment and shore them up against our ruin” to paraphrase Eliot.

    Excellent suggestions, Raxxalan. But difficult to achieve. The federal government is going to be very reluctant to cede power to the states. And the Dems will fight us to repair the election process; I fear they’ll go through the motions, but will things really change. There is no magic bullet. And yet I refuse to give up hope, because we’ve invested so much into this great country.

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    • December 31, 2020, at 10:03 AM PST
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  11. Raxxalan Member
    Raxxalan Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    To do what, exactly?

    “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” Any thing that undermines the thinking and actions represented by the Benito Mussolini quote.

    I don’t think that I understand you.

    If I do understand, then I find your idea to be incorrect and unsophisticated. It sounds like simplistic anti-statism. Which is anarchy, by the way, not Utopia. This was Rousseau’s bad idea — which led first to the Terror and then to the likes of Mussolini.

    The anarchy, also, leads directly to tyranny, because people are quite willing to turn to a tyrant to avoid anarchy. Again, the example is Mussolini, and others.

    This is a good illustration of my point. There is no plan, no program. Just a cliche. “Don’t be Mussolini.” Well, there are many bad things other than Mussolini, and Mussolini wasn’t as bad as most.

    I think that we can do a lot better, but what would it be?

    First and foremost we need to restore federalism. If I wanted to live like a Californian I would move there. Our country can’t continue to exist if we can’t allow different politics and ideologies to have space to coexist. Next we need to find a way to take actions to secure our elections. Fraud played a part, I think a large part, in 2020 we have to address that to have a hope of moving forward. Finally we need to address our culture that is more problematic because that shouldn’t involve government action for the most part, although there will be some action that needs to occur as part of education reform which will involve the government. There is no magic bullet. There is no normal to return to. There are no solutions that are easy. It will cost everyone something. There is no way back only forward. Like all Tsunami’s what ever was before is destroyed. The only thing we can hope to do is is “grab some fragment and shore them up against our ruin” to paraphrase Eliot.

    Excellent suggestions, Raxxalan. But difficult to achieve. The federal government is going to be very reluctant to cede power to the states. And the Dems will fight us to repair the election process; I fear they’ll go through the motions, but will things really change. There is no magic bullet. And yet I refuse to give up hope, because we’ve invested so much into this great country.

    I agree have no illusions about the difficulty of the road ahead of us. We may not succeed but we have to try to do this the legal way first. As hard as this road will be it is not as hard as the other path would be. If you live in a red state start writing you state elected officials to sue the Federal government when it encroaches on state prerogatives. If you live in a blue state state start working at a local level to try to change the town you live in, or consider leaving some places may not be salvageable. Trump left us a pretty conservative judiciary so that is a good place to start with the federalism project. There will be a bigger divide on voting but no one should like fraud, so there may be people on the left we can make common cause with for some of that. Ultimately that is going to take a lot of agitation because it isn’t good for the politicians to clean up fraud, so we have to make it impossible for them to not act. Fortunately no one can come out on the side of fraud and hope to not be laughed out of the argument.

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    • December 31, 2020, at 10:24 AM PST
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  12. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Susan Quinn: The initial step for escaping a tsunami is to get to high ground.

    A friend moved to a less developed part of the Houston greater metropolitan area to public schools teaching obscenities and lies. Now they are homeschooling because they refuse to let their child’s first experience of school involve masks and [anti-]social distancing, etc. He’s considering moving again, farther from the city, and enduring a long commute since realizing that any school district within reach of a big city is doomed to political correctness. 

    It’s not easy reaching the high ground. 

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:28 AM PST
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  13. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: The initial step for escaping a tsunami is to get to high ground.

    A friend moved to a less developed part of the Houston greater metropolitan area to public schools teaching obscenities and lies. Now they are homeschooling because they refuse to let their child’s first experience of school involve masks and [anti-]social distancing, etc. He’s considering moving again, farther from the city, and enduring a long commute since realizing that any school district within reach of a big city is doomed to political correctness.

    It’s not easy reaching the high ground.

    I’m so sorry about your friend, Aaron. Perhaps, as challenging as it might be, they should stay with homeschooling. There are also innovative approaches to schooling kids in small groups–I think they’re called pods, where a teacher is hired and the expense is shared. At some point, he will probably realize that he can’t escape to the high ground; he may ironically find it’s in his family room.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:34 AM PST
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  14. HeavyWater Coolidge

    My sense is that within the next 10 years millions of conservative Americans are going to move to another country (currently with a small population) as a way of starting a new conservative society, as a contrast with the progressive society the US has become.

    Conservatives are outnumbered by progressives in the US. So, stay and fight? Or leave and form a new nation built on conservative principles?

    For some reason Costa Rica seems like a possibility. It currently has a small population. So, if 5 million conservatives moved there, bingo. A conservative nation is born.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:36 AM PST
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  15. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    My sense is that within the next 10 years millions of conservative Americans are going to move to another country (currently with a small population) as a way of starting a new conservative society, as a contrast with the progressive society the US has become.

    Conservatives are outnumbered by progressives in the US. So, stay and fight? Or leave and form a new nation built on conservative principles?

    A fascinating proposal, Heavy. But my fear is that progressivism is ubiquitous: wherever people go, the Left will find them. I think our only choice is to brave the storm and take them on. Or we will be running away for the rest of our lives.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:40 AM PST
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  16. HeavyWater Coolidge

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    My sense is that within the next 10 years millions of conservative Americans are going to move to another country (currently with a small population) as a way of starting a new conservative society, as a contrast with the progressive society the US has become.

    Conservatives are outnumbered by progressives in the US. So, stay and fight? Or leave and form a new nation built on conservative principles?

    A fascinating proposal, Heavy. But my fear is that progressivism is ubiquitous: wherever people go, the Left will find them. I think our only choice is to brave the storm and take them on. Or we will be running away for the rest of our lives.

    With a good immigration policy, keeping the progressives out, there’s a chance conservatives could maintain a new country.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:42 AM PST
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  17. HeavyWater Coolidge

    If you think that this project would be too difficult, think of those who moved to Israel to make it a place of refuge for Jews.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:45 AM PST
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  18. HeavyWater Coolidge

    If you prefer to “stay and fight,” be prepared to win some and lose some elections, given how much “vote by mail” and “amnesty for illegal immigrants” seems to be in our future.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:46 AM PST
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  19. Keith Lowery Coolidge

    Somehow this dialog from Hemingway’s The Sun Also Rises comes to mind:

    “How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.

    “Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually and then suddenly.”

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:47 AM PST
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  20. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    If you think that this project would be too difficult, think of those who moved to Israel to make it a place of refuge for Jews.

    First, where would be form a country with all the land in the world accounted for? Israelis historically lived in the land; they re-populated it when it became a state. And it was incredibly difficult and lots of people died making it happen. And if you found an unpopulated island, what would it take to make it a fully functioning country?

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:48 AM PST
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  21. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    Keith Lowery (View Comment):

    Somehow this dialog from Hemingway’s The Sun Also Rises comes to mind:

    “How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.

    “Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually and then suddenly.”

    Precisely. We aren’t bankrupt quite yet and I’m not giving up!

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:49 AM PST
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  22. HeavyWater Coolidge

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    If you think that this project would be too difficult, think of those who moved to Israel to make it a place of refuge for Jews.

    First, where would be form a country with all the land in the world accounted for? Israelis historically lived in the land; they re-populated it when it became a state. And it was incredibly difficult and lots of people died making it happen. And if you found an unpopulated island, what would it take to make it a fully functioning country?

    I am not arguing that conservatives need to find a empty spot on the globe, just a country that has a relatively small population so that if millions of conservatives moved there, it would tip the scales, electorally, towards conservatism.

    Rod Dreher has written “The Benedict Option,” about how Christians can survive the secularization of America. Now, I am not a Christian. But I can see the attraction of just packing ones bags and trying to form a better country, where conservative voters outnumber the progressives by a wide margin.

    If this isn’t possible, then it will be tough because the younger generation is even more progressive than the generation that is dying off.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 10:58 AM PST
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  23. Percival Thatcher
    Percival Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    My sense is that within the next 10 years millions of conservative Americans are going to move to another country (currently with a small population) as a way of starting a new conservative society, as a contrast with the progressive society the US has become.

    Conservatives are outnumbered by progressives in the US. So, stay and fight? Or leave and form a new nation built on conservative principles?

    For some reason Costa Rica seems like a possibility. It currently has a small population. So, if 5 million conservatives moved there, bingo. A conservative nation is born.

    Be sure to write.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 11:24 AM PST
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  24. HeavyWater Coolidge

    Percival (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    My sense is that within the next 10 years millions of conservative Americans are going to move to another country (currently with a small population) as a way of starting a new conservative society, as a contrast with the progressive society the US has become.

    Conservatives are outnumbered by progressives in the US. So, stay and fight? Or leave and form a new nation built on conservative principles?

    For some reason Costa Rica seems like a possibility. It currently has a small population. So, if 5 million conservatives moved there, bingo. A conservative nation is born.

    Be sure to write.

    I hear the beaches are fantastic.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 11:47 AM PST
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  25. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    My sense is that within the next 10 years millions of conservative Americans are going to move to another country (currently with a small population) as a way of starting a new conservative society, as a contrast with the progressive society the US has become.

    Conservatives are outnumbered by progressives in the US. So, stay and fight? Or leave and form a new nation built on conservative principles?

    For some reason Costa Rica seems like a possibility. It currently has a small population. So, if 5 million conservatives moved there, bingo. A conservative nation is born.

    Be sure to write.

    I hear the beaches are fantastic.

    I’ve also heard that the government pursues some very Leftie policies–the progs may have already invaded!

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    • January 5, 2021, at 11:49 AM PST
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  26. HeavyWater Coolidge

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    My sense is that within the next 10 years millions of conservative Americans are going to move to another country (currently with a small population) as a way of starting a new conservative society, as a contrast with the progressive society the US has become.

    Conservatives are outnumbered by progressives in the US. So, stay and fight? Or leave and form a new nation built on conservative principles?

    For some reason Costa Rica seems like a possibility. It currently has a small population. So, if 5 million conservatives moved there, bingo. A conservative nation is born.

    Be sure to write.

    I hear the beaches are fantastic.

    I’ve also heard that the government pursues some very Leftie policies–the progs may have already invaded!

    They have a population of just under 5 million (I just Googled it). So, if 10 million conservatives moved there, a conservative Republic is born. Next step would be to make sure immigration law is reformed so that anyone trying to become a citizen would be asked their views on single payer health care, how many genders there are, if Fidel Castro is a great man, etc. Also enact election laws so that there is no mail in voting and people must present ID to vote.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 11:52 AM PST
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  27. HeavyWater Coolidge

    On the other hand, I am optimistic about the GOP’s chances in the 2022 and 2024 elections. I don’t think Biden-Harris will impress people. It’s likely they will have buyer’s remorse.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 11:56 AM PST
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  28. KCVolunteer Lincoln

    The Dems have proposed a new city state, Washington DC, and also Puerto Rico. They can have them, if we also create New York City, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle, Portland OR, and LA. Any others?

    They can have their 4 new senators, and I’ll take the strong probability of 12 new Republican Senators. Not only that, because of the ability of those cities to generally dominate their state politics, the conservatives in those states would likely end up out from under the thumbs and corruption of the left.

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    • January 5, 2021, at 12:23 PM PST
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  29. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn

    KCVolunteer (View Comment):

    The Dems have proposed a new city state, Washington DC, and also Puerto Rico. They can have them, if we also create New York City, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle, Portland OR, and LA. Any others?

    They can have their 4 new senators, and I’ll take the strong probability of 12 new Republican Senators. Not only that, because of the ability of those cities to generally dominate their state politics, the conservatives in those states would likely end up out from under the thumbs and corruption of the left.

    I’m not following, KC. Why are you assuming that the other city states would likely be Republican?

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    • January 5, 2021, at 12:28 PM PST
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  30. Percival Thatcher
    Percival Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    KCVolunteer (View Comment):

    The Dems have proposed a new city state, Washington DC, and also Puerto Rico. They can have them, if we also create New York City, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle, Portland OR, and LA. Any others?

    They can have their 4 new senators, and I’ll take the strong probability of 12 new Republican Senators. Not only that, because of the ability of those cities to generally dominate their state politics, the conservatives in those states would likely end up out from under the thumbs and corruption of the left.

    I’m not following, KC. Why are you assuming that the other city states would likely be Republican?

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    • January 5, 2021, at 12:43 PM PST
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