QoTD: Like a Barefoot Dash Across Fiery Coals

 

You don’t have to be certain you’re transgender in order to go on hormones. In fact, Kaylee adds, going on hormones is ‘probably the best way to actually tell if you’re trans anyways.’

You might have heard that testosterone comes with bad side effects— but you’ll rarely hear them mentioned here. YouTube and Insta gurus are about fun, and increased risks of various cancers and prophylactic hysterectomy are certainly not that. The most common side effect of testosterone that gurus talk about is the one that burnishes their trans bona fides: pain. The pain is acknowledged—even conveyed with relish. Like a barefoot dash across fiery coals, braving the agony of an intra-muscular injection proves you’ve moved beyond playing dress-up. You really are ‘trans.’ And you’re not messing around.

–Abigail Shrier, Irreversible Damage: the Transgender Craze Seducing our Daughters

 The pressures, particularly on teenage girls to engage in the transgender ideology and practice, are growing everywhere. Abigail Shrier has been sounding the alarm about this movement, and the attacks on her have been vicious.

 And yet, people are finally starting to push back against this nightmare; they are realizing that this violence against the human body and mind and the sacred can’t be tolerated any longer. They are finally understanding that our children are at risk, threatened by a sick social crusade that will ruin the life of most who participate in it.

We should see those who are pushing back as role models for all of us. The firestorm against them will likely be painful, but temporary. If enough of us protest, these people pushing this sick and immoral agenda may begin to realize that there are more important things in life than recruiting transgender people.

Like encouraging our kids to be loving, caring human beings.

 

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  1. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Thanks for this, Susan.

    I’ve listened to a couple of podcast interviews with Shirer. If I recall them correctly, I do not find her to be a good advocate against the trans-insanity. I believe that she opposes this mutilation of children, but supports it for adults. While I do agree that it is worse among children, it is also a very bad thing for adults.

    I think that conceding the validity of trans claims among adults is wrong, and seriously undermines the argument in the case of children.

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  2. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    God help us all. But this is no time for cowardice. I am refusing to give into this movement in academia which is now infecting the STEM fields as well. I cannot and will not stand for being told that biological sex does not matter. Not when women have fought hard to make sure that women are included in biomedical studies, particularly clinical trials. NIH mandates now that you must study females as well as males in all NIH funded research. Why? Because biological sex matters deeply and you can’t change it on a whim.

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  3. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Thanks for this, Susan.

    I’ve listened to a couple of podcast interviews with Shirer. If I recall them correctly, I do not find her to be a good advocate against the trans-insanity. I believe that she opposes this mutilation of children, but supports it for adults. While I do agree that it is worse among children, it is also a very bad thing for adults.

    I think that conceding the validity of trans claims among adults is wrong, and seriously undermines the argument in the case of children.

    I have heard her interviewed and I don’t recall her supporting trans changes for adults. I believe she believes once a person reaches adulthood, they should be able to make this decision for themselves. If they make it out of deluded thinking, that is their choice. I don’t agree with people doing it either, Jerry, because I believe it’s a result of a psychological problem. I also think it’s immoral. I don’t believe Shrier called it a “valid” process for adults. I’ll try to find something on this.

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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):

    God help us all. But this is no time for cowardice. I am refusing to give into this movement in academia which is now infecting the STEM fields as well. I cannot and will not stand for being told that biological sex does not matter. Not when women have fought hard to make sure that women are included in biomedical studies, particularly clinical trials. NIH mandates now that you must study females as well as males in all NIH funded research. Why? Because biological sex matters deeply and you can’t change it on a whim.

    We are on the same page, Gossamer Cat. We must refuse to cave in to this propaganda and stand firm!

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  5. Doctor Robert Member
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    Everyone who walks barefooted across fiery coals will suffer burns to their feet.

    Similarly, everyone who is “trans” is deeply ill. Allowing psychotic people to define their psychosis and to influence and guide public conversations on the matter is absurdity.

    Trans people, being deeply ill, deserve our love and compassion. But we must end the fad, the social approval, of this illness. Men are men, women are women, and anyone who thinks he/she is the other is ill.

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  6. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Everyone who walks barefooted across fiery coals will suffer burns to their feet.

    Similarly, everyone who is “trans” is deeply ill. Allowing psychotic people to define their psychosis and to influence and guide public conversations on the matter is absurdity.

    Trans people, being deeply ill, deserve our love and compassion. But we must end the fad, the social approval, of this illness. Men are men, women are women, and anyone who thinks he/she is the other is ill.

    Precisely. I just can’t understand how parents encourage their kids to make this horrible change, and why adults don’t seek out help. It is so self-destructive and so many people regret making these changes. Thanks, Doctor Robert.

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  7. Jules PA Member
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):
    NIH mandates now that you must study females as well as males in all NIH funded research.

    Imagine a research team extrapolating meaning from study results once the variants of the trans-agenda are also mandated. 

     

     

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  8. Jules PA Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Thanks for this, Susan.

    I’ve listened to a couple of podcast interviews with Shirer. If I recall them correctly, I do not find her to be a good advocate against the trans-insanity. I believe that she opposes this mutilation of children, but supports it for adults. While I do agree that it is worse among children, it is also a very bad thing for adults.

    I think that conceding the validity of trans claims among adults is wrong, and seriously undermines the argument in the case of children.

    I have heard her interviewed and I don’t recall her supporting trans changes for adults. I believe she believes once a person reaches adulthood, they should be able to make this decision for themselves. If they make it out of deluded thinking, that is their choice. I don’t agree with people doing it either, Jerry, because I believe it’s a result of a psychological problem. I also think it’s immoral. I don’t believe Shrier called it a “valid” process for adults. I’ll try to find something on this.

    My recollection is Shrier does not object to adults mutilating themselves. What we all should object to is surgeons profiting from the psychological trauma of disturbed people. 

    It is hard to discern who is more deluded, the patient or the surgeon. 

     

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I’m fine with our discussing any aspect of this topic, but I don’t want us to lose sight of the damage done to children in particular, and to the fact (and there are other articles on this fact) that people are pushing back.

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  10. SkipSul Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m fine with our discussing any aspect of this topic, but I don’t want us to lose sight of the damage done to children in particular, and to the fact (and there are other articles on this fact) that people are pushing back.

    The pushback has been tentatively more successful in the UK than it has here. There is a massive amount of money funding this, and where that money is coming from is awfully murky. Moreover, these monsters have captured much of the mainstream of medical and psychiatric journals, while the Obama administration drove policies from the top-down that punished schools if they tried to keep parents in the loop. Friends of our “lost” a daughter this way – fully aided and abetted by the public school system that lied to them for over a year, while their daughter was counseled (read: brainwashed) into transitioning.

    It’s pure evil.

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  11. Percival Thatcher
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    One is not yet legally responsible enough to smoke, drink, join the military, or rent a car. But express even a passing fancy that one’s sexual configuration is somehow inappropriate, and it is clearly mandatory that drugs that do irreversible damage be begun immediately.

    These people are fiends.

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  12. Jules PA Member
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    SkipSul (View Comment):
    There is a massive amount of money funding this, and where that money is coming from is awfully murky.

    In the same way China’s one-child policy destroyed a generation (maybe two), this transgender agenda is destructive. May at least parents retain control of their children. 

    I do find great irony in the policy of permitting “children” on a parent’s health insurance policy to age 26, while at the same time prohibiting a parent from having veto power over a teenager’s disturbed decision to undergo destructive hormones and elective surgery.

    I will reiterate, it is difficult to discern who is more deluded: the disturbed transgender patient or the surgeon. 

     

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  13. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m fine with our discussing any aspect of this topic, but I don’t want us to lose sight of the damage done to children in particular, and to the fact (and there are other articles on this fact) that people are pushing back.

    The pushback has been tentatively more successful in the UK than it has here. There is a massive amount of money funding this, and where that money is coming from is awfully murky. Moreover, these monsters have captured much of the mainstream of medical and psychiatric journals, while the Obama administration drove policies from the top-down that punished schools if they tried to keep parents in the loop. Friends of our “lost” a daughter this way – fully aided and abetted by the public school system that lied to them for over a year, while their daughter was counseled (read: brainwashed) into transitioning.

    It’s pure evil.

    It is! Will we need more laws against the schools?

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  14. Jules PA Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    Will we need more laws against the schools?

    We need more home schools. I’d like to be a parent support, since I see my chosen career of teaching in public school becoming a burden greater than I can bear. 

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  15. Stad Coolidge
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Trans people, being deeply ill, deserve our love and compassion. But we must end the fad, the social approval, of this illness.

    Exactly. Undergoing hormone therapy and ultimately going under the knife should be made by adults, and only after other avenues have been exhausted (typically therapy).

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  16. The Reticulator Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    I think that conceding the validity of trans claims among adults is wrong, and seriously undermines the argument in the case of children.

    The undermining might depend on who you’re trying to convince. 

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  17. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    Will we need more laws against the schools?

    We need more home schools. I’d like to be a parent support, since I see my chosen career of teaching in public school becoming a burden greater than I can bear.

    That’s a great strategy for removing children from a toxic environment!

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  18. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Thanks for this, Susan.

    I’ve listened to a couple of podcast interviews with Shirer. If I recall them correctly, I do not find her to be a good advocate against the trans-insanity. I believe that she opposes this mutilation of children, but supports it for adults. While I do agree that it is worse among children, it is also a very bad thing for adults.

    I think that conceding the validity of trans claims among adults is wrong, and seriously undermines the argument in the case of children.

    I have heard her interviewed and I don’t recall her supporting trans changes for adults. I believe she believes once a person reaches adulthood, they should be able to make this decision for themselves. If they make it out of deluded thinking, that is their choice. I don’t agree with people doing it either, Jerry, because I believe it’s a result of a psychological problem. I also think it’s immoral. I don’t believe Shrier called it a “valid” process for adults. I’ll try to find something on this.

    My recollection is Shrier does not object to adults mutilating themselves. What we all should object to is surgeons profiting from the psychological trauma of disturbed people.

    It is hard to discern who is more deluded, the patient or the surgeon.

     

    Here is an article by Shrier in Quillette. Among other things, she states:

    Except that I didn’t write about “the trans thing.” I wrote specifically about the sudden, severe spike in transgender identification among adolescent girls. I fully support medical transition for mature adults. And I have no desire to be a provocateur. (I dislike pointless provocation, in part because I think provocateurs often have a good argument—one they’re too lazy or inept to make). Nor do I have any prurient interest in others’ social lives.

    This is quite a pro-trans statement, especially that last sentence. As if opposing the normalization of a severe psychological disorder, leading to horrific surgical and hormonal mutilation (even in adults), is some strange “prurient interest in others’ social lives.”

    I find Shrier to be particularly obtuse about this, because the data quite clearly demonstrates that the normalization of perverted or immoral behavior — “defining deviancy down” — seems to invariably lead to large increases in the prevalence of such behavior. This has occurred with fornication, illegitimacy, sodomy, and now voluntary, medically unnecessary castration and mastectomy (and more, with hormones).

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  19. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    I fully support medical transition for mature adults. And I have no desire to be a provocateur.

    You’re right. Of course, there are various degrees of “medical transition,” and I don’t know if she means any changes. I don’t know if I much care about her support of adults doing this stuff. I certainly don’t. But I’m not convinced that it discounts her arguments about children who are pressured by schools and their parents to change. I don’t approve of what those adults are doing to themselves. But they have the right to do it.

    As I said, Jerry, I don’t want to lose sight of the larger discussion: destroying the lives of children. I’m sure there are many people out there who would disapprove of both adults choosing to embrace those decisions, and agreeing to the propagandizing and manipulation of children. You and I are in that court and we agree.

    Finally, do you really think her attacking those who manipulate children is compromised by her not criticizing adults. Have you not approved of some people’s ideas and disagreed with other ideas that they have?

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  20. Doctor Robert Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Trans people, being deeply ill, deserve our love and compassion. But we must end the fad, the social approval, of this illness.

    Exactly. Undergoing hormone therapy and ultimately going under the knife should be made by adults, and only after other avenues have been exhausted (typically therapy).

    To date, there are no data of which I am aware to show that treating trans people with hormones and surgery gives them a better quality of life. It does, of course, make them dependent upon the medical establishment to maintain their psychosis. I can’t imagine how painful this disease must be, how one must hate oneself so deeply as to wish to erase your sex. And I just don’t understand my colleagues who encourage this travesty.

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  21. E. Kent Golding Member
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    I think the trans thing is a tragedy for anyone. However, if someone is crazy enough to want it after they are 25 , it is their own choice. It should be a capital crime to perform trans medical treatment upon anyone under 18, and highly discouraged for those under 25. Let the parts of the brain that evaluate risk, reward, cost and benefit mature before these decisions are made.

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  22. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Trans people, being deeply ill, deserve our love and compassion. But we must end the fad, the social approval, of this illness.

    Exactly. Undergoing hormone therapy and ultimately going under the knife should be made by adults, and only after other avenues have been exhausted (typically therapy).

    To date, there are no data of which I am aware to show that treating trans people with hormones and surgery gives them a better quality of life. It does, of course, make them dependent upon the medical establishment to maintain their psychosis. I can’t imagine how painful this disease must be, how one must hate oneself so deeply as to wish to erase your sex. And I just don’t understand my colleagues who encourage this travesty.

    In fact, there are many stories that show many go deeply into depression and are suicidal, Doctor Robert. It is tragic.

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  23. Henry Racette Contributor
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    I have long thought that the so-called trans movement is the most trivially stupid yet destructive fad in America today. As awful as the abuses it inflicts on young children, including the medical malpractice and perverse misparenting it leads to on occasion, I wonder if the greatest harm it does isn’t to young adults trying to understand themselves and their relationships to others. Growing up is hard enough without fruitcakes deconstructing biology in defiance of science and reason, and enticing gullible young people into a dead-end path of self-abnegation.

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  24. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Growing up is hard enough without fruitcakes deconstructing biology in defiance of science and reason, and enticing gullible young people into a dead-end path of self-abnegation.

    Hank, you are so on target. My heart aches for these young people. I remember my own struggles in my 20’s that had nothing to do with my sexuality, but they were difficult enough. I found my way through, but these young people will be crushed by their inability or unwillingness to come to terms with who they are. It’s terrible.

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  25. Flicker Coolidge
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m fine with our discussing any aspect of this topic, but I don’t want us to lose sight of the damage done to children in particular, and to the fact (and there are other articles on this fact) that people are pushing back.

    The pushback has been tentatively more successful in the UK than it has here. There is a massive amount of money funding this, and where that money is coming from is awfully murky. Moreover, these monsters have captured much of the mainstream of medical and psychiatric journals, while the Obama administration drove policies from the top-down that punished schools if they tried to keep parents in the loop. Friends of our “lost” a daughter this way – fully aided and abetted by the public school system that lied to them for over a year, while their daughter was counseled (read: brainwashed) into transitioning.

    It’s pure evil.

    Yes, that’s what I keep coming back to. Jules PA writes:

    It is hard to discern who is more deluded, the patient or the surgeon.

    While I don’t disagree, I think that’s too generous to the surgeons. Abortionists know they are killing humans. One abortionist once shouted in anger: Of course it’s killing. You don’t think I know that?

    There have been more than one ghoul among abortionists who pickled babies or babies hands or feet, and saved them for reasons I can’t fathom. Except to say that their behavior was ghoulish. Surgeons are people, too. And though I’ve known of one long-ago trans person, it seems today that the emphasis on training and treating children to see themselves as something they’re not, and to (mis)medicate them and encourage body mutilation is more than delusion, or financial profit, but spiritual disassociation from God, in short: evil.

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  26. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    There have been more than one ghoul among abortionists who pickled babies or babies hands or feet, and saved them for reasons I can’t fathom. Except to say that their behavior was ghoulish. Surgeons are people, too. And though I’ve known of one long-ago trans person, it seems today that the emphasis on training and treating children to see themselves as something they’re not, and to (mis)medicate them and encourage body mutilation is more than delusion, or financial profit, but spiritual disassociation from God, in short: evil.

    We supposedly live in a civilized world, Flicker. I am looking into how we came to this place. I hardly have all the answers, but we must look at ourselves in the mirror and ask, how did we allow this to happen? Are we, who love life and G-d, somehow complicit? 

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  27. Suspira Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Everyone who walks barefooted across fiery coals will suffer burns to their feet.

    Similarly, everyone who is “trans” is deeply ill. Allowing psychotic people to define their psychosis and to influence and guide public conversations on the matter is absurdity.

    Trans people, being deeply ill, deserve our love and compassion. But we must end the fad, the social approval, of this illness. Men are men, women are women, and anyone who thinks he/she is the other is ill.

    Precisely. I just can’t understand how parents encourage their kids to make this horrible changes, and why adults don’t seek out help. It is so self-destructive and so many people regret making these changes. Thanks, Doctor Robert.

    Can adults seek help? Are there mental health professionals who are not on board with the trans agenda?

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  28. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Suspira (View Comment):
    Can adults seek help? Are there mental health professionals who are not on board with the trans agenda?

    There must be! Although I don’t know how willing they are to let others know what they’re doing.

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  29. Flicker Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    There have been more than one ghoul among abortionists who pickled babies or babies hands or feet, and saved them for reasons I can’t fathom. Except to say that their behavior was ghoulish. Surgeons are people, too. And though I’ve known of one long-ago trans person, it seems today that the emphasis on training and treating children to see themselves as something they’re not, and to (mis)medicate them and encourage body mutilation is more than delusion, or financial profit, but spiritual disassociation from God, in short: evil.

    We supposedly live in a civilized world, Flicker. I am looking into how we came to this place. I hardly have all the answers, but we must look at ourselves in the mirror and ask, how did we allow this to happen? Are we, who love life and G-d, somehow complicit?

    Well, none of us is perfect. We are all fractured. I don’t want to answer whether we are complicit. But I think we must have some blame in this. But we are far from exclusively to blame. I don’t think we are responsible for Roe v. Wade, for example.

    But maybe if we had corporately not gone through such prosperity, or responded differently, we would have been more guarded politically and socially. I think it’s likely that we fell for the devil’s lies. And maybe our idle hands and vain minds became the devil’s play ground. Did we take our eyes off God? I think mine were clouded at best. Nonetheless, there are, and there have always been, those who want to rule us, enslave and take from us, and destroy us.

    I think repentance and prayer is the answer: God might hear and change our course.

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  30. Joker Member
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    It feels like one ups manship of bodily expression, a progression of increasingly antisocial permanent things to make troglodyte parents absolutely nuts, while broadcasting my nonconventional bona fides:

    Check my neck tattoo > here’s my face tat > oh wait how about some unspeakable piercing > try topping my eyeball tattoo

    Once none of that provokes outrage and disgust, where do you go? There’s enough crossover between male and female attitudes and outlooks to move on to trans. Who are we to trifle with the sacred matters of identity, personal choice, blah blah. But a lot of physical realities of puberty interfere with that outward identity expression and must be dealt with, so…

    Its pathetic that parents see a son with a preference for dolls or a tomboy who likes to play rough and feel like they have to do something about it. Most grow out of it gracefully, nothing more than a phase.

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