A Man in Fuller

 

As many of you are aware, a young lady and seemingly a first-rate female athlete got on the same field as Vanderbilt’s men’s football team and proceeded to kick a rather unexceptional 35-yard squib.

I have nothing to add to this spectacle. I would like to query if any of you know the answer to the following. There has been much debate here in Connecticut (which is really just a thinking man’s Vermont) directed to whether biological males that identify as women should be permitted to compete against biological females, most notably in track and field events. It seems a given that biological males that identify as male cannot compete against women. In short, no one argues that men should be allowed to compete with women – only men that are women (or is it women that are men?) are afforded such an opportunity.

So how is it that Ms. Fuller, who seemingly is all woman, is able to play with and compete against the boys? I presume that whatever laws or regulations that prohibit men from racing against women would apply here, no? I have never seen a law that allows for women to compete in men’s sports but prohibits the reverse. Such a law would seem to be discriminatory on its face.

Could the gentleman rated number 2,457 in the world in men’s college tennis be permitted to thrash the number one rated female in order to snatch the cup? Is there any way to stop such a thing? If not, why are men not competing in women’s sports as men? What am I missing? Would it not be heralded as a great moment akin to Ms. Fuller’s? And don’t say common sense. Common sense left town when a young lady with a five o’clock shadow dashed across the finish line at the women’s 5K.

Has anybody anywhere asked this question? Has anyone in the mainstream responded?

Lastly, something has been on my mind and, as we are clearly not to acknowledge it, I’d like to throw it out there. I’ve spent four years listening to the verbal and emotional histrionics of Trump Haters saying things such as “How do I tell my daughter to be of high character when the President is such a low life,” and “How do I explain to my daughter that sexist pigs like the President can rise to the top”, etc. Well, congratulations. Whole new worlds of opportunity are available to all young ladies everywhere.

Mothers everywhere may now confidently counsel their daughters that “It is OK if you are an inauthentic, lazy, mentally subpar underachiever with a laughable academic background and not an original or honest thought in your head. In today’s world, if you are willing to show some cleavage and hook up with an ample, repulsive, married, but very politically powerful, man, you can make it to the top on your back all the way to Vice President!” And, yes, I am aware that Ms. Harris more likely made it to where she is on her knees. But that is, as far as I know, conjecture and I will not grant such an observation credence.

There. I said it.

Bonus points: I am a White, heterosexual male. Or am I a lesbian trapped in the body of a man? Seriously, am I? Can I snag the “L”, the “G” and the “T?” How would I know? How would anyone know?

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  1. EHerring Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    When I was playing rugby, and one team didn’t have enough players, it just borrowed players from the other team. Of course, we played rugby for fun.

    Same thing happened in college summer baseball here. When the MLB was trying to figure out how to have baseball and play in front of fans, we were attending games here. They even split the team in half, sending some on the road for the away game and leaving some behind to have another home game for us. Heck, the opposing coach coached our team for one while his assistant coached his team. The goal was to give fans a game to enjoy and players a game to develop their skills. We adapted to that goal. I score games and carry a printout of scoring rules with me. When the team’s “official scorer” awarded hits for a fielder’s choice, I sent my copy of the rules up to the press box. I never got them back, but I am sure the pitchers were much happier for it.sometimes you just need to have fun.

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    EHerring (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    When I was playing rugby, and one team didn’t have enough players, it just borrowed players from the other team. Of course, we played rugby for fun.

    Same thing happened in college summer baseball here. When the MLB was trying to figure out how to have baseball and play in front of fans, we were attending games here. They even split the team in half, sending some on the road for the away game and leaving some behind to have another home game for us. Heck, the opposing coach coached our team for one while his assistant coached his team. The goal was to give fans a game to enjoy and players a game to develop their skills. We adapted to that goal. I score games and carry a printout of scoring rules with me. When the team’s “official scorer” awarded hits for a fielder’s choice, I sent my copy of the rules up to the press box. I never got them back, but I am sure the pitchers were much happier for it.sometimes you just need to have fun.

    I only played Little League baseball, and that many years ago, but even I know a fielder’s choice isn’t a base hit.

    I took my daughter (38 years old) to a minor league baseball game a couple of years ago.  I was surprised by how much I remembered of the arcane rules and strategy of baseball.  I even remembered the infield fly rule.

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  3. EHerring Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    When I was playing rugby, and one team didn’t have enough players, it just borrowed players from the other team. Of course, we played rugby for fun.

    Same thing happened in college summer baseball here. When the MLB was trying to figure out how to have baseball and play in front of fans, we were attending games here. They even split the team in half, sending some on the road for the away game and leaving some behind to have another home game for us. Heck, the opposing coach coached our team for one while his assistant coached his team. The goal was to give fans a game to enjoy and players a game to develop their skills. We adapted to that goal. I score games and carry a printout of scoring rules with me. When the team’s “official scorer” awarded hits for a fielder’s choice, I sent my copy of the rules up to the press box. I never got them back, but I am sure the pitchers were much happier for it.sometimes you just need to have fun.

    I only played Little League baseball, and that many years ago, but even I know a fielder’s choice isn’t a base hit.

    I took my daughter (38 years old) to a minor league baseball game a couple of years ago. I was surprised by how much I remembered of the arcane rules and strategy of baseball. I even remembered the infield fly rule.

    My husband loves calling them when it is my turn to score. Scoring helps me understand the game. The umpires give you a hint. I think the bigger challenge is identifying a balk.

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  4. Vance Richards Inactive
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

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    Jack Mantle: As many of you are aware, a young lady and seemingly a first rate female athlete got on the same field as Vanderbilt’s men’s football team and proceeded to kick a rather unexceptional 35 yard squib.

    Vanderbilt lost 41-0 (and then fired the coach) so they never even got close enough for a field goal try, much less an extra point. So she only got to kick the ball once (no fault of her own). And the coach had her squib it because evidently the Vanderbilt special teams are as bad as their offense and defense so they didn’t want to risk a return. Anyway, this publicity stunt wouldn’t bother me so much except the SEC made her one of Players of the Week. Talk about lowered expectations.

    Normally I don’t like the idea of women playing against men in contact sports (in golf or cross-country, sure). But I have to admit that when I played football in high school and college we always thought of the kickers as girls anyway.

    “6-6, 348 pound kicker levels returner.”

    350-Pound High School Kicker Jaheim Oatis Absolutely Demolished A Poor Kick Returner (VIDEO) | Total Pro Sports

    See that’s not a kicker, that’s a lineman who also kicks. If he couldn’t kick, he would still be on the team.

    Interestingly, most punters seem to be really good athletes where as place kickers just know how to get the ball throuth the uprights. and little more . . .

    https://youtu.be/d-pxMm_UdY4

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    EHerring (View Comment):
    My husband loves calling them when it is my turn to score. Scoring helps me understand the game. The umpires give you a hint. I think the bigger challenge is identifying a balk.

    There has to be a runner on first base for there to be a balk?

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  6. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    EHerring (View Comment):
    Too many people couldn’t just have fun, go with the flow. Instead, they must attack her, for answering the call, for doing a locker room speech, for kicking a short kick,whatever.

    I had no issue with her answering the call, nor with her kick (since that’s what the coach told her to do). My issue with the locker room speech is that IMHO she hadn’t earned that right. Anyone who has played a team sport should be able to see that.

    When the great David Ayers entered the game as the emergency backup goalie for the Carolina Hurricanes back in February (seems like ages ago now), he didn’t make a speech during the 2nd intermission. He knew it wasn’t his place. (He did, in a characteristically Canadian fashion, apologize for letting in 2 goals on the 2 shots he faced. The Canes told him to just have fun, and then smothered the Leafs. Ayres went on to stop every shot in the 3rd, and became the first EBUG to win an NHL game.)

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  7. EHerring Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    My husband loves calling them when it is my turn to score. Scoring helps me understand the game. The umpires give you a hint. I think the bigger challenge is identifying a balk.

    There has to be a runner on first base for there to be a balk?

    If nobody is on base, it is an illegal pitch and called a ball. He can’t balk to second. The only balk rules I have figured out are failing to come to a stop with a man on first and dropping the ball.Thank goodness the umpires call it and I don’t.

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  8. Stina Inactive
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    Women overall cannot compete with men. So men’s sports are not locked to women because if any woman were to outdo a man on merits, she should be there.

    Unless it’s just a political stunt.

    If men were allowed in women’s leagues, it would end up a JV men’s league, full of Men not good enough to get on the varsity team, but good enough to beat out the women.

    Women’s sports may be just vanity, but it does inspire physical fitness, health and athleticism in women.

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  9. Jack Mantle Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Women overall cannot compete with men. So men’s sports are not locked to women because if any woman were to outdo a man on merits, she should be there.

    Unless it’s just a political stunt.

    If men were allowed in women’s leagues, it would end up a JV men’s league, full of Men not good enough to get on the varsity team, but good enough to beat out the women.

    Women’s sports may be just vanity, but it does inspire physical fitness, health and athleticism in women.

    I agree with everything you say.  You hit upon why common sense dictates that men’s and women’s sports remain separate.  But common sense does not seem to come into this.  Quite simply, when Ms. Fuller showed up to practice, presumably no one said she couldn’t play for the team.  If a man shows up at a field hockey practice, what do the powers that be point to to tell him that he cannot be on the team?  And doing so wouldn’t really be a stunt would it?  There is no men’s field hockey.

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    Jack Mantle (View Comment):
    There is no men’s field hockey.

    FYI: there is men’s field hockey in other countries, just not the USA. Your point stands though.

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
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    I continue to believe that the so-called trans movement will be its own undoing — and will, I hope, take a chunk of wokeness with it.

    You can weave fairy tales in math class until the bridges start falling down. Then you have to get back to things that actually work. Women athletes — real women, real athletes — will, I think, grow weary of losing to men, and we will put a stop to it.

    Why? Has any Leftist wave been it’s own undoing before? Seems to me the majority pattern is the Left gets what it wants and the double downs, over and over.

    Faux Androgynous One,

    You’ve got a point: the left seems to march forward pretty relentlessly. On the other hand, as I’ve said elsewhere and many times, I think the trans movement is unusual, in that it has staked out a position that will simply be unacceptable to the vast bulk of Americans.

    Most leftist causes can count on a slow grinding away, with the help of their lapdog press and the tiny little Napoleons who teach in our universities. But when you tell a family that their daughter won’t go to college on a track scholarship because some guy who calls himself Caitlin decided to compete against her in the 200 meter, or when some Indiana famer watches a bearded “woman” follow his daughter into the women’s room at Target, I think there’s going to be pushback. And there will always be pushback. This just isn’t something people are going to pretend to believe.

    Anyway, that’s my hope and expectation. They let their fantasies run away with them.

    That has been about every Left movement.  Abortion, gay acceptance, black acceptance, single sex marriage were all against the bulk of Americans but still happened.  The Left has the schools and will make trans acceptance the norm and all will happen and just become part of our life with anybody that thinks it wrong will be sanctioned.  Peer pressure, loss of job and livelihood is a powerful incentive to keep ones mouth shut and take it.  Add to that a corrupt media and a rigged election system and they are unstoppable.

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  12. Henry Racette Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I continue to believe that the so-called trans movement will be its own undoing — and will, I hope, take a chunk of wokeness with it.

    You can weave fairy tales in math class until the bridges start falling down. Then you have to get back to things that actually work. Women athletes — real women, real athletes — will, I think, grow weary of losing to men, and we will put a stop to it.

    Why? Has any Leftist wave been it’s own undoing before? Seems to me the majority pattern is the Left gets what it wants and the double downs, over and over.

    Faux Androgynous One,

    You’ve got a point: the left seems to march forward pretty relentlessly. On the other hand, as I’ve said elsewhere and many times, I think the trans movement is unusual, in that it has staked out a position that will simply be unacceptable to the vast bulk of Americans.

    Most leftist causes can count on a slow grinding away, with the help of their lapdog press and the tiny little Napoleons who teach in our universities. But when you tell a family that their daughter won’t go to college on a track scholarship because some guy who calls himself Caitlin decided to compete against her in the 200 meter, or when some Indiana famer watches a bearded “woman” follow his daughter into the women’s room at Target, I think there’s going to be pushback. And there will always be pushback. This just isn’t something people are going to pretend to believe.

    Anyway, that’s my hope and expectation. They let their fantasies run away with them.

    That has been about every Left movement. Abortion, gay acceptance, black acceptance, single sex marriage were all against the bulk of Americans but still happened. The Left has the schools and will make trans acceptance the norm and all will happen and just become part of our life with anybody that thinks it wrong will be sanctioned. Peer pressure, loss of job and livelihood is a powerful incentive to keep ones mouth shut and take it. Add to that a corrupt media and a rigged election system and they are unstoppable.

    I completely understand your point, and I think it has some merit. The schools are precisely the problem, in that they push whatever fashionable radicalism is prevalent down onto the children as if it were accepted and normal.

    But, again, trans is different, and in a couple of ways. First, it’s something people will actually have to make a decision about in the moment. That isn’t true about abortion or same-sex marriage or other progressive causes. Normal people will actually experience a risk or a loss as a result of trans-related policies, and will have to decide whether it’s worth accepting a defeat on the athletic field or the risk of a man in their daughter’s locker room. That reality won’t go away simply because we’re relentlessly told not to worry about it.

    Secondly, unlike those other things you mentioned, the trans movement includes this unique compelled confession aspect: we are commanded to use the chosen pronouns. That’s the signature issue of the trans movement, and it’s a kind of forced confession, a demand that we acknowledge what we don’t believe to be true. That runs afoul of the First Amendment, and also offends millions of people who don’t want to be told what words they have to use. This is new, unique, and unpalatable. I think it’s a bridge too far, and will ultimately fail.

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  13. EHerring Coolidge
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Too many people couldn’t just have fun, go with the flow. Instead, they must attack her, for answering the call, for doing a locker room speech, for kicking a short kick,whatever.

    I had no issue with her answering the call, nor with her kick (since that’s what the coach told her to do). My issue with the locker room speech is that IMHO she hadn’t earned that right. Anyone who has played a team sport should be able to see that.

    When the great David Ayers entered the game as the emergency backup goalie for the Carolina Hurricanes back in February (seems like ages ago now), he didn’t make a speech during the 2nd intermission. He knew it wasn’t his place. (He did, in a characteristically Canadian fashion, apologize for letting in 2 goals on the 2 shots he faced. The Canes told him to just have fun, and then smothered the Leafs. Ayres went on to stop every shot in the 3rd, and became the first EBUG to win an NHL game.)

    What happens in their locker room is their business. 

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  14. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    EHerring (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Too many people couldn’t just have fun, go with the flow. Instead, they must attack her, for answering the call, for doing a locker room speech, for kicking a short kick,whatever.

    I had no issue with her answering the call, nor with her kick (since that’s what the coach told her to do). My issue with the locker room speech is that IMHO she hadn’t earned that right. Anyone who has played a team sport should be able to see that.

    When the great David Ayers entered the game as the emergency backup goalie for the Carolina Hurricanes back in February (seems like ages ago now), he didn’t make a speech during the 2nd intermission. He knew it wasn’t his place. (He did, in a characteristically Canadian fashion, apologize for letting in 2 goals on the 2 shots he faced. The Canes told him to just have fun, and then smothered the Leafs. Ayres went on to stop every shot in the 3rd, and became the first EBUG to win an NHL game.)

    What happens in their locker room is their business.

    Then they shouldn’t publicize it. They did, so we’re free to comment on what happened and give our opinions.

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  15. EHerring Coolidge
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Too many people couldn’t just have fun, go with the flow. Instead, they must attack her, for answering the call, for doing a locker room speech, for kicking a short kick,whatever.

    I had no issue with her answering the call, nor with her kick (since that’s what the coach told her to do). My issue with the locker room speech is that IMHO she hadn’t earned that right. Anyone who has played a team sport should be able to see that.

    When the great David Ayers entered the game as the emergency backup goalie for the Carolina Hurricanes back in February (seems like ages ago now), he didn’t make a speech during the 2nd intermission. He knew it wasn’t his place. (He did, in a characteristically Canadian fashion, apologize for letting in 2 goals on the 2 shots he faced. The Canes told him to just have fun, and then smothered the Leafs. Ayres went on to stop every shot in the 3rd, and became the first EBUG to win an NHL game.)

    What happens in their locker room is their business.

    Then they shouldn’t publicize it. They did, so we’re free to comment on what happened and give our opinions.

    We both gave our opinions.

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    Jack Mantle (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: In short, no one argues that men should be allowed to compete with women – only men that are women (or is it women that are men?) are afforded such an opportunity.

    I argue this. I have been told all my life that black or white, etc., male or female, other. we are all equal. No group can discriminate by disallowing blacks or women or anything else. So we just need the NFL for all. or one college football for all. Let people get on and play based on their merit. This is the law. Lets embrace it fully and let the chips fall as they may.

    I don’t doubt what you say. My upbringing was a bit more nuanced. I was taught to always be aware of my physical advantages over women and, as a result, to open doors when possible, pull out chairs, give up my seat on a bus, etc. I was further made to understand that women give life to and nurture our children and, as such, it is my responsibility to provide for and protect my wife. I believe that acknowledging these simple realities is required in order to be a gentleman. And I was always required to be a gentleman.

    It is my understanding that we are all equal in the eyes of the law as to our equal worth and right to life and liberty. That said, I have no problem with women playing in the WNBA and men in the NBA. Both leagues provide entertainment as the players are equally matched. I could go further to say if there are two things I enjoy, they are jokes and sports. The WNBA is a joke and the NBA is a sport virtue signaling millionaires club.

    FIFY

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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    My husband loves calling them when it is my turn to score. Scoring helps me understand the game. The umpires give you a hint. I think the bigger challenge is identifying a balk.

    There has to be a runner on first base for there to be a balk?

    On any base.

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    EHerring (View Comment):

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    EHerring (View Comment):
    My husband loves calling them when it is my turn to score. Scoring helps me understand the game. The umpires give you a hint. I think the bigger challenge is identifying a balk.

    There has to be a runner on first base for there to be a balk?

    If nobody is on base, it is an illegal pitch and called a ball. He can’t balk to second. The only balk rules I have figured out are failing to come to a stop with a man on first and dropping the ball.Thank goodness the umpires call it and I don’t.

    It’s possible to balk to second, though you might end up with a hernia.

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    Stina (View Comment):

    Women overall cannot compete with men. So men’s sports are not locked to women because if any woman were to outdo a man on merits, she should be there.

    Unless it’s just a political stunt.

    If men were allowed in women’s leagues, it would end up a JV men’s league, full of Men not good enough to get on the varsity team, but good enough to beat out the women.

    Women’s sports may be just vanity, but it does inspire physical fitness, health and athleticism in women.

    What about the lesser-able men who might get pushed out of the mens’ teams by exceptional women?

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  20. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Women overall cannot compete with men. So men’s sports are not locked to women because if any woman were to outdo a man on merits, she should be there.

    Unless it’s just a political stunt.

    If men were allowed in women’s leagues, it would end up a JV men’s league, full of Men not good enough to get on the varsity team, but good enough to beat out the women.

    Women’s sports may be just vanity, but it does inspire physical fitness, health and athleticism in women.

    What about the lesser-able men who might get pushed out of the mens’ teams by exceptional women?

    That’s highly unlikely, except in certain specialty positions such as place-kicker. For example, IIRC HS Boys State  champion sprinters routinely come close to or beat the women’s world record times. 

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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

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    Women overall cannot compete with men. So men’s sports are not locked to women because if any woman were to outdo a man on merits, she should be there.

    Unless it’s just a political stunt.

    If men were allowed in women’s leagues, it would end up a JV men’s league, full of Men not good enough to get on the varsity team, but good enough to beat out the women.

    Women’s sports may be just vanity, but it does inspire physical fitness, health and athleticism in women.

    What about the lesser-able men who might get pushed out of the mens’ teams by exceptional women?

    That’s highly unlikely, except in certain specialty positions such as place-kicker. For example, IIRC HS Boys State champion sprinters routinely come close to or beat the women’s world record times.

    Okay, but consider.  Any woman who makes it into a men’s team where a team has a certain number of members, will pretty much by definition be replacing some man who would have been on the team otherwise.

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    Of course if they are honest the whole going 0-8 and getting embarrassed every weekend thing might have played a part in their decision.

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    My alma mater making me proud once again!

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  24. Jack Mantle Member
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

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    Stina (View Comment):

    Women overall cannot compete with men. So men’s sports are not locked to women because if any woman were to outdo a man on merits, she should be there.

    Unless it’s just a political stunt.

    If men were allowed in women’s leagues, it would end up a JV men’s league, full of Men not good enough to get on the varsity team, but good enough to beat out the women.

    Women’s sports may be just vanity, but it does inspire physical fitness, health and athleticism in women.

    What about the lesser-able men who might get pushed out of the mens’ teams by exceptional women?

    That’s highly unlikely, except in certain specialty positions such as place-kicker. For example, IIRC HS Boys State champion sprinters routinely come close to or beat the women’s world record times.

    That is very true.  In fact the boys high school records for track events in most states is better than the world record for women in the event.  Further, our women’s Olympic soccer team – the one that keeps winning Gold and World championships – routinely practices against men’s high scho0l teams and rarely if ever wins.

    Nothing wrong with that.  I do get a bit perturbed when Serena Williams demands equal pay for women’s tennis tournaments.  Women play best of three sets while men play best of five sets.  Viewership for the men is much greater than for women.  And, two words:  Karsten Braasch.

    Karsten was at one time ranked number 203 in the world among men tennis players,  203rd out of 9 billion on the planet is pretty good.  But it’s not enough to live on.  He probably makes less than most waitresses.  However, he did beat Serena Williams 6-1 and Venus Williams 6-2.  Serena is worth $200 million.  I should add that he was known for drinking lager and smoking between sets.  I might appreciate Serena more if she did the same.

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  25. Annefy Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: In short, no one argues that men should be allowed to compete with women – only men that are women (or is it women that are men?) are afforded such an opportunity.

    I argue this. I have been told all my life that black or white, etc., male or female, other. we are all equal. No group can discriminate by disallowing blacks or women or anything else. So we just need the NFL for all. or one college football for all. Let people get on and play based on their merit. This is the law. Lets embrace it fully and let the chips fall as they may.

    I think that’s how it is now. I’m aware of no rule prohibiting women from playing or competing in any man’s league.

    It’s just the reality that the amount of women who can compete against men is close to zero. Which is probably why women’s only leagues were started in the first place. So they would not be denied the experience of playing sports.

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    Jack Mantle: In short, no one argues that men should be allowed to compete with women – only men that are women (or is it women that are men?) are afforded such an opportunity.

    I argue this. I have been told all my life that black or white, etc., male or female, other. we are all equal. No group can discriminate by disallowing blacks or women or anything else. So we just need the NFL for all. or one college football for all. Let people get on and play based on their merit. This is the law. Lets embrace it fully and let the chips fall as they may.

    This is where you go wrong. Merit is, as we all know, just a means for maintaining the white male patriarchy. All organizations and sub-organizations must include representation by all sexes, genders, races, colors, yearning-predilections, and any other characteristic that may arise. Quota management mandates that football teams must be more than 50% female. Such fun to figure out which 6 members of the offensive and defensive lineups will be female. I would normally say the interior lines should be male, but ‘interior line’ might be a sub-organization, requiring 3 females.

    Maybe we make it all female, including biological (assigned erroneously at birth) males that so identify.

    But you’re missing a golden opportunity there. All of the players on a team don’t play every time. So it wouldn’t be difficult to just double the size of the team by adding an equal number of women, WHO NEVER PLAY. That would satisfy the “gender diversity” issue just fine.

    maybe random drawings and a requirement that all have the exact same amount of on field time?

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jack Mantle: In short, no one argues that men should be allowed to compete with women – only men that are women (or is it women that are men?) are afforded such an opportunity.

    I argue this. I have been told all my life that black or white, etc., male or female, other. we are all equal. No group can discriminate by disallowing blacks or women or anything else. So we just need the NFL for all. or one college football for all. Let people get on and play based on their merit. This is the law. Lets embrace it fully and let the chips fall as they may.

    This is where you go wrong. Merit is, as we all know, just a means for maintaining the white male patriarchy. All organizations and sub-organizations must include representation by all sexes, genders, races, colors, yearning-predilections, and any other characteristic that may arise. Quota management mandates that football teams must be more than 50% female. Such fun to figure out which 6 members of the offensive and defensive lineups will be female. I would normally say the interior lines should be male, but ‘interior line’ might be a sub-organization, requiring 3 females.

    Maybe we make it all female, including biological (assigned erroneously at birth) males that so identify.

    But you’re missing a golden opportunity there. All of the players on a team don’t play every time. So it wouldn’t be difficult to just double the size of the team by adding an equal number of women, WHO NEVER PLAY. That would satisfy the “gender diversity” issue just fine.

    maybe random drawings and a requirement that all have the exact same amount of on field time?

    Paula Poundstone used to do a bit about how pro sports are irrelevant since they’re really just millionaires playing for cities they aren’t even from.  And it would be much better if it were done like jury duty.  (She pretends to tear open an envelope, and pull out and read the contents.)  “I… I gotta play…”

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    Women overall cannot compete with men. So men’s sports are not locked to women because if any woman were to outdo a man on merits, she should be there.

    Unless it’s just a political stunt.

    If men were allowed in women’s leagues, it would end up a JV men’s league, full of Men not good enough to get on the varsity team, but good enough to beat out the women.

    Women’s sports may be just vanity, but it does inspire physical fitness, health and athleticism in women.

    What about the lesser-able men who might get pushed out of the mens’ teams by exceptional women?

    That’s highly unlikely, except in certain specialty positions such as place-kicker. For example, IIRC HS Boys State champion sprinters routinely come close to or beat the women’s world record times.

    That is very true. In fact the boys high school records for track events in most states is better than the world record for women in the event. Further, our women’s Olympic soccer team – the one that keeps winning Gold and World championships – routinely practices against men’s high scho0l teams and rarely if ever wins.

    Nothing wrong with that. I do get a bit perturbed when Serena Williams demands equal pay for women’s tennis tournaments. Women play best of three sets while men play best of five sets. Viewership for the men is much greater than for women. And, two words: Karsten Braasch.

    Karsten was at one time ranked number 203 in the world among men tennis players, 203rd out of 9 billion on the planet is pretty good. But it’s not enough to live on. He probably makes less than most waitresses. However, he did beat Serena Williams 6-1 and Venus Williams 6-2. Serena is worth $200 million. I should add that he was known for drinking lager and smoking between sets. I might appreciate Serena more if she did the same.

    Another spoiled millionaire:

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  29. Hoyacon Member
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    Nothing wrong with that. I do get a bit perturbed when Serena Williams demands equal pay for women’s tennis tournaments. Women play best of three sets while men play best of five sets. Viewership for the men is much greater than for women. a more if she did the same.

    The aforementioned women’s soccer team was the subject of a kerfuffle over the same issue, primarily thanks to one particular big mouth.   Of course, post-modern “economics” dictates that there be no correlation between revenue generated and money paid out.

     

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  30. OkieSailor Member
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    I have little or no problem with her kicking the ball as long as she is fine with tackling a return man. I say go for it girl but no complaining about the bruises afterward. However, I do have a real problem with her statement in the after game interview that, “This just shows girls everywhere you really can do anything you set your mind to.” That’s obviously grade-A garbage. Just a second or two of thought should convince anyone of that and it has nothing to do with gender (sex?) Most of us couldn’t be a running back or a basketball forward or an MD or many other things no matter how we “set our minds”.  That lunacy has been around far too long IMHO.

    Much better to learn what you are good at and decide to be the best you can be at something you can succeed at doing.  Don’t get distracted chasing illusive dreams, I say, especially if those dreams are foisted on you by the ‘woke’ crowd.

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