Fighting Words

 

Powerline just posted a must-read essay from the great David Horowitz. The whole thing is frighteningly perceptive as you might expect (Horowitz spent 20 years as a communist radical in his younger days, and he understands the left as few do), but here is a very brief taste:

Democrats are not democrats; they are totalitarians. They have declared war on the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the Electoral College, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the election system, and the idea of civil order.

I would love to hear my Democrat friends attempt to argue with any of those points.

Conservatives tend to believe in freedom to do as one pleases. So conservatives naturally tend to allow those they don’t agree with a great deal of latitude: “Well, I don’t see it that way. But whatever makes you happy, buddy. None of my business.” So while polite conservatives like Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, myself, David Horowitz, and millions of others were playing nice, the left was using any means at their disposal to accumulate power.

Democrat voter fraud is not a new concept.

In the last election, the Democrats made it clear that they didn’t care (and it didn’t matter) who voted for whom. Biden didn’t even bother to campaign, which seemed odd at the time. But not now. This blatant power play has scared a large number of previously deferential conservatives into the realization that we are involved in a war, whether we choose to participate in it or not. And that this war has been going on for some decades.

And that has many of us, like me and Mr. Horowitz for example, rapidly evolving from disappointed to pissed off.

Voter fraud is an important part of all this. But it’s not that simple – read Mr. Horowitz’ quote above again, if you like. As he points out in that passage, a nation of free people is faced with an invasion of totalitarians. This election matters, but not as much as everything else Mr. Horowitz discusses in his essay.

What should be done? What can be done? I’m not sure.

But a good first step would be acknowledging the situation we find ourselves in, and recognizing what exactly we are up against.

And Mr. Horowitz’s essay is a good place to start.

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  1. Percival Thatcher
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    This essay puts into words what so many of us feel but cannot adequately express. This is why a lot of us are fed up with people like Jonah Goldberg or David French or Noah Rothman or JPod or everyone at The Bulwank, et al, because they simply cannot comprehend the threat from the Democratic Party. And those who do see it are just dismissed by them as crazies.

    I’ll throw my lot in with the crazies instead of the appeasers.

    If you want a friend, buy a dog.

    Jonah already has one.

    Did the other one get sent to the pound?

    No, I believe he died.

    I am not making fun of Jonah for having a dog. I love dogs.

    Sorry to hear that. Which one?

    I seem to recall “Cosmo” as the name, but I’ve known more than one Cosmo.

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  2. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    This essay puts into words what so many of us feel but cannot adequately express. This is why a lot of us are fed up with people like Jonah Goldberg or David French or Noah Rothman or JPod or everyone at The Bulwank, et al, because they simply cannot comprehend the threat from the Democratic Party. And those who do see it are just dismissed by them as crazies.

    I’ll throw my lot in with the crazies instead of the appeasers.

    If you want a friend, buy a dog.

    Jonah already has one.

    Did the other one get sent to the pound?

    No, I believe he died.

    I am not making fun of Jonah for having a dog. I love dogs.

    Sorry to hear that. Which one?

    I seem to recall “Cosmo” as the name, but I’ve known more than one Cosmo.

    Cosmo’s been gone for quite a few years. I think Pippa and Zoe are still around.

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  3. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    We need a conservative leader who talks about God. It is turning our backs on Him that has brought us to where we are today.  America was  noted for its deep religiosity for years.  Is that still true?  At least we have Mormons and Chasidic Jews with large families and Republican loyalties. Dems don’t tend to procreate all that much.

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  4. Saint Augustine Member
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    Dems don’t tend to procreate all that much.

    And never even say “Thank you” for all the future Democrats we beget and hand over to their universities for recruitment.

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  5. Biden Pure Demagogue Inactive
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  6. Saint Augustine Member
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    Biden Pure Demagogue (View Comment):

    Do I have really have to watch it to get the gist?

    “Seek truth not vengeance” is a heckuva good piece of advice for all us right about now.

    Tucker is a commentator, not a journalist.  But SOME JOURNALISTS need to get out there and do some journalism on this crap–especially if it’s not true!

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  7. Saint Augustine Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Biden Pure Demagogue (View Comment):

    Do I have really have to watch it to get the gist?

    “Seek truth not vengeance” is a heckuva good piece of advice for all us right about now.

    Tucker is a commentator, not a journalist. But SOME JOURNALISTS need to get out there and do some journalism on this crap–especially if it’s not true!

    Thank heaven we have some real journalists at the Bee.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-appears-to-doubting-tucker-and-lets-him-touch-the-fraudulent-ballots-himself

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  8. Rōnin Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    I get the outrage. This is outrageous behavior.

    The question is what to do with the outrage? It is dangerous to just rile people up without some outlet. It’s like heating a pressure vessel without a relief valve or outlet.

    So very true. I really don’t know.

    They say that the only way to stop a man with a gun is with a man with a bigger gun. In this particular application, I’d rather not think about that.

    I really don’t know how conservatives should respond to this.

    Here’s the problem for the far left.  Who is going to enforce their agenda?  That is, who are these progressive democrats going to turn to – to arm and “make” everyone comply with their rules.  They will go after our collective pocket books, and that seems to be the initial plan, but that will only get you so far.  Sooner or later if these tyrants want to get anything done, they’ll have to “bust some heads.”  Watch for who will be designated “head buster,” for that will be the time conservatives will have to decide whether it’s better to die on your feet – or live on your knees.

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  9. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    We did what we could: We elected Trump. Then, there were the back-stabbing fools who undermined his efforts and got Biden elected. 

     

    To be fair, if the reports of fraud are as great as claimed, the NTs are not the ones responsible for Biden’s apparently higher vote tally, and I doubt adding the NT’s to a chorus of support for Trump would have changed the coverage in the MSM.  

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  10. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    In this particular application, I’d rather not think about that.

     

    But we must. We should all read this series of posts at metallicman.com entitled “What the Progressive Socialist Liberals Have in Store for Conservatives.”

    Imagine AOC with her party in control of Congress and the White House. 

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  11. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    I love David Horowitz. I don’t have many answers. The Dems are radicals and they cheat and they have the media for cover. What kills me is that there are people on our side that turned against us because of Trump’s boorishness.

    I’m pretty sure that 1) we gained a lot more people because of Trump’s straight shooting, a quality of his that is inseparable from his boorishness, but that 2) the fraud is concealing those gains. Think about it—where is the evidence that Trump was unpopular? Only in the voting results of the contested states that all stopped counting simultaneously before magically discovering pro-Biden votes. Everywhere else there was massive support for Trump and zilch for Joe.  

    Don’t buy this claim about the off-putting nature of Trump’s boorishness. It’s made by Romneys and RINOs—people content to “manage the decline.”  We are well rid of them. 

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  12. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
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    Rōnin (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    I get the outrage. This is outrageous behavior.

    The question is what to do with the outrage? It is dangerous to just rile people up without some outlet. It’s like heating a pressure vessel without a relief valve or outlet.

    So very true. I really don’t know.

    They say that the only way to stop a man with a gun is with a man with a bigger gun. In this particular application, I’d rather not think about that.

    I really don’t know how conservatives should respond to this.

    Here’s the problem for the far left. Who is going to enforce their agenda? That is, who are these progressive democrats going to turn to – to arm and “make” everyone comply with their rules. They will go after our collective pocket books, and that seems to be the initial plan, but that will only get you so far. Sooner or later if these tyrants want to get anything done, they’ll have to “bust some heads.” Watch for who will be designated “head buster,” for that will be the time conservatives will have to decide whether it’s better to die on your feet – or live on your knees.

    And the series of posts I referenced above has an answer to this very question about who will enforce the agenda. Lawless youths hopped up on drugs, sent into the countryside with military grade weapons to terrorize the population, while legislators in cities direct the new chandala class of conservatives and fellow-travelers to re-education camps “for their own safety,” soon to be murdered. All with the approval of the mass media, no longer interested in reporting the truth. 

    Every left wing revolution is the same. 

    If you don’t have guns, buy one. If you have one, buy another. 

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  13. Chris Oler Coolidge
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    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):

    I’m pretty sure that 1) we gained a lot more people because of Trump’s straight shooting, a quality of his that is inseparable from his boorishness, but that 2) the fraud is concealing those gains. Think about it—where is the evidence that Trump was unpopular? Only in the voting results of the contested states that all stopped counting simultaneously before magically discovering pro-Biden votes. Everywhere else there was massive support for Trump and zilch for Joe.

    Don’t buy this claim about the off-putting nature of Trump’s boorishness. It’s made by Romneys and RINOs—people content to “manage the decline.” We are well rid of them. 

    Indeed. The books were pre-cooked, but not well enough. They were surprised and had to stop the count to change the plan and recalibrate.

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  14. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    You know, a few years ago, I used to think Horowitz was often too hard on the left. Any traces of that illusion were destroyed by the left sometime in late 2017. And after 2020? I find it hard to believe even he can be harsh enough.

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  15. I Walton Member
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    We seem to believe that if we get the right guys on the top we’ll run matters consistently with our history and freedom will be reborn.  Which is saying the history of man had it right but the Americans didn’t.

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  16. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Rōnin (View Comment):
    That is, who are these progressive democrats going to turn to – to arm and “make” everyone comply with their rules.

    For starters, Antifa/BLM/RevCom. Look for them on police commissions and their supplements and replacements soon. 

    Chris Rufo for City Journal:

    [Seattle’s] political establishment has joined the campaign to “deconstruct justice.” Since the outbreak of the George Floyd–related protests starting in late May, elected officials in Seattle and King County have announced their intentions to defund the Seattle Police Department, permanently close the county’s largest jail, and gut the municipal court system. They believe that, when the oppression of the justice system is lifted, a new society can be shaped through criminal diversion, psychotherapy, and harm reduction.

    . . .

    Finally, last year, following a series of high-profile “repeat offender” cases, Seattle Municipal Court Judge Ed McKenna tried to raise the alarm about the city’s failure to prosecute career criminals like Francisco Calderon, a homeless man who had garnered more than 70 criminal convictions but continued to secure jail-free plea deals from the prosecutor and public defender’s offices. The Calderon trial was widely covered in the media and dovetailed with an explosive report about the city’s “prolific offenders” who had been terrorizing residents and businesses. But McKenna’s call to restore public order provoked a powerful backlash. Almost immediately, progressive leaders—City Attorney Pete Holmes, Public Defense Director Anita Khandelwal, and LEAD cofounder Lisa Daugaard—waged a public-relations war against the judge and pressured him to retire two years before the end of his term.

    Judge McKenna warns that the progressive-justice coalition is perilously close to establishing a shadow court system. He argues that Holmes, Khandelwal, and Daugaard are becoming “modern-day lords and landowners,” with the power to dispense justice outside the constitutional framework. McKenna believes that nonprofit diversion programs, which exist beyond the confines of the state and are not subject to meaningful public oversight, are potentially violating the Sixth Amendment, which guarantees the right to a public trial before a jury of one’s peers. “In [pretrial diversion schemes], potential defendants are contacted by prosecutors and told that if they ‘voluntarily’ participate in specific programs, criminal charges will not be filed against them,” McKenna says. “The ethical concern, however, is whether accused persons are waiving their rights ‘knowingly and voluntarily’ or whether accused persons feel compelled to waive those rights under threat of prosecution and jail.”

    Replace the Constitution with the mob and then with a new Mob. 

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  17. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    The good doctor has some very good points. Democrats, however, did campaign. They started campaigning as soon as Trump was elected. The campaign wasn’t about any individual candidate. It was against Trump. When they finally nominated someone, Biden, to run for the presidency, he didn’t have to campaign. All he had to do was be an alternative to Trump. In truth, Trump did very little to counter this campaign. He continued, as he always had, to play to his base.

    I do believe that Trump lost legitimately in this election, not through voter fraud or conspiracy. His popularity in the polls never got much over 40%. Those above that number who voted for him did not do so because they liked him. Like me, they voted against the Democrats, Biden in particular. There just weren’t enough of us. If Trump had made a serious effort to reach beyond his base he might well have picked up the thousands of voters who made that difference of 1% to 2% that lost him the vital states. Instead he focused on topics that simply fed the anger of his base, notably Hunter Biden, and had little or no effect on people who sat firmly in the center and could have been swayed either way.

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  18. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    In truth, Trump did very little to counter this campaign. He continued, as he always had, to play to his base.

    . . . If Trump had made a serious effort to reach beyond his base he might well have picked up the thousands of voters who made that difference of 1% to 2% that lost him the vital states. Instead he focused on topics that simply fed the anger of his base, notably Hunter Biden, and had little or no effect on people who sat firmly in the center and could have been swayed either way.

    He did expand his base. He increased his vote in every demographic except white men. Thanks to President Trump, the Republicans now have a very diverse base, and are solidly the party of the working class.

    Republicans have, to paraphrase Franklin . . . a big tent, if they can keep it.

    I doubt they can if the elites return to the status quo.

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  19. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    The good doctor has some very good points. Democrats, however, did campaign. They started campaigning as soon as Trump was elected. The campaign wasn’t about any individual candidate. It was against Trump. When they finally nominated someone, Biden, to run for the presidency, he didn’t have to campaign. All he had to do was be an alternative to Trump. In truth, Trump did very little to counter this campaign. He continued, as he always had, to play to his base.

    I do believe that Trump lost legitimately in this election, not through voter fraud or conspiracy. His popularity in the polls never got much over 40%. Those above that number who voted for him did not do so because they liked him. Like me, they voted against the Democrats, Biden in particular. There just weren’t enough of us. If Trump had made a serious effort to reach beyond his base he might well have picked up the thousands of voters who made that difference of 1% to 2% that lost him the vital states. Instead he focused on topics that simply fed the anger of his base, notably Hunter Biden, and had little or no effect on people who sat firmly in the center and could have been swayed either way.

    To make your case you have to explain how Biden got more black votes than Obama.  I mean real live votes.

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  20. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    He did expand his base. He increased his vote in every demographic except white men. Thanks to President Trump, the Republicans now have a very diverse base, and are solidly the party of the working class.

    Republicans have, to paraphrase Franklin . . . a big tent, if they can keep it.

    I doubt they can if the elites return to the status quo.

    Drew, I seldom disagree with you on any issue, but I don’t think that the extra votes that Trump accumulated have anything to do with his expanding his base. I believe that his base remained as it has been throughout his tenure, about 40%. Those who came out to vote and pulled the tab for him were voting against Biden and the Democrats. AOC and her lot have done far more to expand the tent of the Republican party than anything Trump achieved. Very likely, Covid did him in in terms of gaining the edge. His economic policies were winners, as were is SCOTUS picks. However, by any standard his performance, indeed the performance of just about every political leader currently in power worldwide proved to be mediocre. He gained no ground for himself during the last 7 critical months. Had he chosen to look to issues that mattered to more of the voting public, and, as I said, left the issues that appealed to his base alone, he might have picked up a large enough percentage of voters to win. The Democrats certainly didn’t do a very good job of collecting votes during the campaign, but they already had a pretty fair number of voters on the edge who simply couldn’t take Trump’s personality and the continual turmoil it engendered any longer and would vote for anyone who would relieve the stress, even a basement grown Mr Potato Head.

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  21. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):
    To make your case you have to explain how Biden got more black votes than Obama. I mean real live votes.

    Do mean Biden or Trump? I know that Trump didn’t get more black votes than Obama. If Biden did it was simply a reaction to Trump’s divisiveness, a desire for something resembling normalcy in national politics. That is not to say I think that Trump was responsible for the divisiveness. It was a product, largely, of the left’s reaction to him exacerbated by the media which is, in fact, an arm of the left.

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  22. philo Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment): If Biden did it was simply a reaction to Trump’s divisiveness, a desire for something resembling normalcy in national politics.

    Any evidence to support this conjecture?

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  23. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    [T]he conservative more-or-less half of American life is living under an alien regime that means to continue harming us socially and morally just as much as economically. Plainly, we find ourselves in a (mostly not yet violent) state of war. The beginning of such safety as we may work out for ourselves is to regard our rulers as they regard us.

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  24. Django Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    The good doctor has some very good points. Democrats, however, did campaign. They started campaigning as soon as Trump was elected. The campaign wasn’t about any individual candidate. It was against Trump. When they finally nominated someone, Biden, to run for the presidency, he didn’t have to campaign. All he had to do was be an alternative to Trump. In truth, Trump did very little to counter this campaign. He continued, as he always had, to play to his base.

    I do believe that Trump lost legitimately in this election, not through voter fraud or conspiracy. His popularity in the polls never got much over 40%. Those above that number who voted for him did not do so because they liked him. Like me, they voted against the Democrats, Biden in particular. There just weren’t enough of us. If Trump had made a serious effort to reach beyond his base he might well have picked up the thousands of voters who made that difference of 1% to 2% that lost him the vital states. Instead he focused on topics that simply fed the anger of his base, notably Hunter Biden, and had little or no effect on people who sat firmly in the center and could have been swayed either way.

    Not that it matters much now, but what do Trump’s critics mean with “reach beyond his base”? To me it’s nonsense if it means change his policies. That would lose elements of his base and show him to be just another pandering politician. If it means that he attempts to explain to those voters who are not a part of his base how his policies benefit them, he did that. If those voters were not persuaded, that is not for lack of effort on Trump’s part. 

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  25. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    [T]he conservative more-or-less half of American life is living under an alien regime that means to continue harming us socially and morally just as much as economically. Plainly, we find ourselves in a (mostly not yet violent) state of war. The beginning of such safety as we may work out for ourselves is to regard our rulers as they regard us.

    This was a great piece.

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  26. Unsk Member
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    OmegaPaladin:

    “The question is what to do with the outrage? “

    Very Good Question. I think the means of protest will emerge and are emerging as we speak.

    Below is a report on the Huntington Beach Protest against the Statewide Curfew from Live on Youtube:

    Nearly 400 people amassed in front of Huntington Beach pier around 10 p.m. Saturday night to decry a new statewide curfew. The reissued stay-at-home order, which began Saturday night, was instated by the Gov. Gavin Newsom to mitigate a recent surge in coronavirus cases.

    a group of people walking down the street: Demonstrators march across Pacific Coast Highway while shouting slogans Saturday, Nov. 21, 2020 during a protest against a stay-at-home order amid the COVID-19 pandemic in Huntington Beach, Calif.

    There are similar protests all over Europe against similar Lockdowns.  This will be a start but they will grow.

    Ronin: “Here’s the problem for the far left. Who is going to enforce their agenda? That is, who are these progressive democrats going to turn to – to arm and “make” everyone comply with their rules.”

    Yep. The Democrats seem to think the Police, who they are destroying, are going to enforce their Unconstitutional Edicts.  Good Luck with that- of course the Democrats are throughly delusional.

    Already five local Sheriffs around LA refused to enforce the curfew. The rank and file cops faced with even greater atrocities from the Dems will be even less inclined to enforce their edicts.

     But with this  refusal, nonetheless crime and chaos will grow to monumental proportions. Many more people will be out of work and angry and liable to act out of anger.  There will be less and less Police to police the neighborhoods from crime creating a looming untenable situation.  The only  solution for all of us  is to get armed-soon.

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  27. Jager Coolidge
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    He did expand his base. He increased his vote in every demographic except white men. Thanks to President Trump, the Republicans now have a very diverse base, and are solidly the party of the working class.

    Republicans have, to paraphrase Franklin . . . a big tent, if they can keep it.

    I doubt they can if the elites return to the status quo.

    Drew, I seldom disagree with you on any issue, but I don’t think that the extra votes that Trump accumulated have anything to do with his expanding his base. I believe that his base remained as it has been throughout his tenure, about 40%. Those who came out to vote and pulled the tab for him were voting against Biden and the Democrats. AOC and her lot have done far more to expand the tent of the Republican party than anything Trump achieved. Very likely, Covid did him in in terms of gaining the edge. His economic policies were winners, as were is SCOTUS picks. However, by any standard his performance, indeed the performance of just about every political leader currently in power worldwide proved to be mediocre. He gained no ground for himself during the last 7 critical months. Had he chosen to look to issues that mattered to more of the voting public, and, as I said, left the issues that appealed to his base alone, he might have picked up a large enough percentage of voters to win. The Democrats certainly didn’t do a very good job of collecting votes during the campaign, but they already had a pretty fair number of voters on the edge who simply couldn’t take Trump’s personality and the continual turmoil it engendered any longer and would vote for anyone who would relieve the stress, even a basement grown Mr Potato Head.

    I get what you are saying but I am not sure. The fact that he did better then 2016 and some prior Republican candidates with minority voters, would seem to show that he was expanding his base.

    I agree that Covid did him in in terms of gaining the edge. I am not sure that there is anything that I would have wanted done differently/better from a policy perspective. Operation Warp speed seems to be working great. I just wish in this one area he would have been better at communicating his message, he did not really need to change much about his message, just communicate better. 

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Limbaugh is going to promote the Horowitz article later in the show. It’s 12:30 central here.

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  29. Giulietta Inactive
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    I get the outrage. This is outrageous behavior.

    The question is what to do with the outrage? It is dangerous to just rile people up without some outlet. It’s like heating a pressure vessel without a relief valve or outlet.

    The answer, I think, begins with the election and the Republican representatives in the House and Senate. There are a lot of irregularities in the election and every single one of those representatives should be loudly standing up for Trump’s right to investigate and telling the Democrats to be quiet about Trump breaking norms by pursuing legal options. If the shoe were on the other foot…

    The other thing. In the face of the Dems who choose to say that Biden is the president-elect and are celebrating, the Republicans should be regularly repudiating the idea that the media anoints a winner. Instead one has the impression that they are divided about whether to stand up behind Trump in solidarity for the Constitution or just pleased to watch the Dems fight amongst themselves (which is admittedly akin to bloodsport nowadays). That divide doesn’t help at all.

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  30. philo Member
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    Giulietta (View Comment): The other thing. In the face of the Dems who choose to say that Biden is the president-elect and are celebrating, the Republicans should be regularly repudiating the idea that the media anoints a winner.

    I would prefer to take half a step back from there and stick with language consistent with the system: there is no winner yet. Failure to do this leaves too many using erroneous terms like “overturn” with respect to valid processes still going on and votes that have yet to be taken that will determine the actual winner.

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