Vaccines are Coming: Sign Me Up!

 

If it were up to Zeke Emmanuel, were I to catch the coronavirus he’d probably just let me die. I am, after all pretty close to his cut-off date for saving old people who are ill. He might be skeptical about my receiving the vaccine, too, since it was developed under the Trump administration. Yet I am encouraged and excited about the prospects of this vaccine, and am hopeful that we can continue to get our arms around this disease. Our first responders and related occupations should be the first to get the vaccines.

Unfortunately, the vaccines for coronavirus have been so heavily politicized that I should have no trouble finding a place in line to get the vaccination; many people in this country want to take a wait-and-see approach to vaccinations since people like me might die from the vaccine. Or they are anti-vaxxers who object strenuously to vaccinations. Others are suspicious because vaccines are being developed under Operation Warp Speed, although the Pfizer vaccine was developed without government funds. Then you have the government leaders who are determined to make sure the vaccine fails. It’s difficult for me to believe that their resistance is all about Trump, since I’m fairly confident that he hasn’t interfered with the vaccine developers. But you won’t convince New York Governor Andrew Cuomo:

The government has sent states a data sharing agreement asking for information such as age, sex, and race of someone who gets the vaccine. While Governor Cuomo says the state will reveal that data, it won’t release the other details such as passport numbers and Social Security numbers. The governor believes that information would be used to deport undocumented immigrants, a claim the White House is denying.

Cuomo also said the following:

‘We can’t let this vaccine plan go forward the way Trump is planning it,’ Cuomo said. ‘We need to fix it or stop it before it does damage.’

If anyone knows what he is talking about, please let me know.

California Governor Gavin Newsom, recently of The French Laundry fame, commented, too:

Just a couple weeks after Democrat California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced he would not automatically distribute a vaccine for the coronavirus if one is approved while President Donald Trump is in the White House, three more Democrat governors are putting politics ahead of public health in their states by also saying they don’t trust the Trump administration in the matter.

He’s appointed an 11-member vaccine review committee to analyze the safety and efficacy to determine if the vaccine will be safe for Californians.

The other governors challenging Trump’s initiative are Katie Brown in Oregon, Jay Inslee in Washington, and Steve Sisolak in Nevada.

If you are curious, you can review Pfizer’s release.

Both vaccines do have mild to moderate side effects. Moderna explains those as follows:

A review of solicited adverse events indicated that the vaccine was generally well tolerated. The majority of adverse events were mild or moderate in severity. Grade 3 (severe) events greater than or equal to 2% in frequency after the first dose included injection site pain (2.7%), and after the second dose included fatigue (9.7%), myalgia (8.9%), arthralgia (5.2%), headache (4.5%), pain (4.1%) and erythema/redness at the injection site (2.0%). These solicited adverse events were generally short-lived. These data are subject to change based on ongoing analysis of further Phase 3 COVE study data and final analysis.

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My husband and I don’t take lightly being injected with this vaccine. (I don’t like shots.) In his case, he has damaged lungs and would not fare well, at 75 years old, from contracting the disease. Part of my interest in getting the vaccine is to protect him; I’m also interested in taking back my life from the tyranny of fear.

The coronavirus has been one of the most destructive forces we have lived through in this country, and it isn’t over yet. Not only do people experience a daily fear for their lives and the lives of their family members, but they are being devastated by the distorted presentation of the data by the media, the threat of mandatory mask-wearing, the actual or potential loss of loved ones, and the threat of more lockdowns. In my own community, a 55+ community, people often have co-morbidities.

Although I know that each person has to make his or her own decision about receiving the vaccine in consultation with their doctors, I hope to be an example of a person who thinks that receiving the vaccine is a good idea. Even if I have side effects, I expect them to be temporary (as they are for most people). In part I hope to inspire others to consider the vaccine; it has been so difficult for me to watch my neighbors living their lives in fear.

At our ages, every day counts.

Our lives should not be dominated by fear.

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Stina (View Comment):
    Too many red flags that… ummm… are apocalyptic in a Christian sense.

    Stina, are you speaking of red flags regarding the vaccine or the virus, and could you clarify the last part of your sentence?

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  2. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    It’s going to be very interesting to watch how they react now, those who have used this virus to consolidate their power over us. What a windfall for them, and they took full advantage. Even hamstrung a crazily successful presidential administration when they were totally on the ropes, and his approach to governance was winning yugely.

    But the virus did the trick – they were able to get away with so much more than they ever dreamed.

    But suddenly we have a vaccination. This is not good news for them.  Even if they can succeed in stealing all the credit – diss Trump’s achievement and take the glory for their side – I wonder how reluctantly they will give up the wonderful power of the existential threat, with them cast as saviors?

    God I hate these people.

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  3. Stina Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    Too many red flags that… ummm… are apocalyptic in a Christian sense.

    Stina, are you speaking of red flags regarding the vaccine or the virus, and could you clarify the last part of your sentence?

    So full disclosure, my ideas of Revelations are not, to my knowledge, widespread in their entirety… and the can sound kooky to people who have not really put much thought into it…

    But concerning the vaccine…

    [The second beast] also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    This is a verse from Revelations. To me, anything that involves taking something into myself or on my body that, without it, I am locked or forced out of the economy bears with it huge amounts of skepticism. Add onto that the potential for modifying DNA, which alters the image of God (humans), I’m doubly skeptical.

    The more they say YOU WILL, the more I say I WON’T.

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  4. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    But concerning the vaccine…

    [The second beast] also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    This is a verse from Revelations.

    I saw this the other day:

    6uild 6ack 6etter

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  5. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I think you all know that govt. expectations have nothing to do with my decision. I understand your reasons for pushing back!

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  6. Z in MT Member
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    The real incentive that Operation Warp Speed used was contracts from the government to buy so many doses of the vaccine. This includes Pfizer. So even though Pfizer didn’t use government money to develop the vaccine, they are making a lot of money from the government guarantee buy and they are free of any entanglements on the intellectual property. 

    From everything I have read the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines uses fairly traditional vaccine methods that have been used in the past. 

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    I was born in 1952 in Syracuse, New York, and my family moved out to Arizona in 1956.  One of my very first memories was on a Sunday after church going to a mass polio inoculation site in a school, likely in 1957 or so, and standing in line before receiving a shot.  My parents were with me.  Only now do I know how relieved they were that the Salk vaccine had been invented.

    I will be happy to receive the COVID-19 vaccine as soon as I qualify for it.  I am guessing that after medical workers and first responders in the first traunch, the elderly will be part of the second traunch.  As I am 68, I would qualify there.  I can barely wait.  If I had it all my way, I would receive both inoculations in early March, 2021 so I will have the even one year, or twelve months of COVID-19 constituting a “lost year.”

    Trump can be criticized rightfully for many things.  But that is not my purpose in this paragraph; let’s save that for a different time in a different post and/or comment.  One thing that Trump did well was Operation Warp Speed, creating a space for the innovation and the rapid approval of the vaccine.  Good for Trump on that.  Seriously, good for Trump on that.  He may have blown masks, and he may be blowing speed in distribution, but, dammit, focusing on the good, Trump got the vaccines created in far less time than anyone ever dreamed.  Good for Trump on that.

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  8. EB Thatcher
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    I’m in the camp of seeing government trying to control us through fear of a virus and then controlling us through non-compliance orders and restrictions if I don’t take the vaccine.

    Well, your children can’t go to school if they aren’t vaccinated.  Not a whole lot of difference.

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  9. EB Thatcher
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):
    But suddenly we have a vaccination. This is not good news for them. Even if they can succeed in stealing all the credit – diss Trump’s achievement and take the glory for their side – I wonder how reluctantly they will give up the wonderful power of the existential threat, with them cast as saviors?

    Agree with sentiment.  However, they have been saying (in one form or another) “Can’t go back to normal until we have a vaccine.”  Well, now we have a vaccine.  I imagine they thought it might be like AIDS (or the common cold) and the vaccine(s) would be years in the making.  Well, now we have a vaccine – in fact more than one. 

    Philosophically (?), I prefer the Astrazeneca approach – more a “mechanical” process.  But it seems pretty obvious that the FDA preferred an American company. (Kind of like the way Congress wouldn’t permit the Concorde to overfly the US since Boeing couldn’t get the SST to work.)

    One good thing is that since we can be pretty sure that the head honchos at Pfizer are Democrat donors, all these Dem. governors are going to have a hard time criticizing the vaccine and dragging their feet on distributing it.

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  10. Stina Member
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    EB (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    I’m in the camp of seeing government trying to control us through fear of a virus and then controlling us through non-compliance orders and restrictions if I don’t take the vaccine.

    Well, your children can’t go to school if they aren’t vaccinated. Not a whole lot of difference.

    If I choose not to vaccinate, I can home school. And if I homeschool, I can still go to theme parks, zoos, aquariums, travel to other states, go to museums, etc.

    Vaccine requirements for schools also allow for exemptions. 

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  11. Hammer, The Member
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    @RyanM

    The production of vaccines is impressive. But this vaccine is entirely unnecessary. I will not get it, nor would I dream of giving it to my children.

    https://www.aier.org/article/an-education-in-viruses-and-public-health-from-michael-yeadon-former-vp-of-pfizer/

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  12. Flicker Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    Too many red flags that… ummm… are apocalyptic in a Christian sense.

    Stina, are you speaking of red flags regarding the vaccine or the virus, and could you clarify the last part of your sentence?

    So full disclosure, my ideas of Revelations are not, to my knowledge, widespread in their entirety… and the can sound kooky to people who have not really put much thought into it…

    But concerning the vaccine…

    [The second beast] also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    This is a verse from Revelations. To me, anything that involves taking something into myself or on my body that, without it, I am locked or forced out of the economy bears with it huge amounts of skepticism. Add onto that the potential for modifying DNA, which alters the image of God (humans), I’m doubly skeptical.

    The more they say YOU WILL, the more I say I WON’T.

    Yes, this is more and more being discussed as prophetic fulfillment.  But it may be a precursor to it, or a partial fulfillment of it.  Certainly, having an ion imprinting into your skin that contains your whole health history, your bank access and for all I know, your whereabouts, this is even more like a fulfillment of this prophecy.

    No matter how controlling and bad this is, it is not exactly the same as taking a knee or worshiping the image of the beast.  I’m not saying you’re wrong, and it certainly could be so.

    Revelation 13:15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live

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  13. Jules PA Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I just heard Biden say that everyone in this country, “all 330 million,” will get the vaccine. Was that an implied, whether they want it or not?

    What do you all think?

    No. 

    I shall willingly step aside for ALL who want to butt in line ahead of me. 

    And while there might be pretense it is free, that is just not so.

    Weren’t doctors paid? Researchers? Equipment? Materials? Delivery drivers? Nurses? Data tec? Software? The list of expenses is long. 

    The grants for Warp Speed have been paid upfront. Out of thin air?

    The vaccine is not free in any meaningful sense of the word free.

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  14. Jules PA Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Likely if you do not take the vaccine when generally available you may not be able to travel internationally. Maybe even nationally in certain places. If the Supreme Court does not start slapping down unconstitutional actions imposed for “ public health” reasons, we will not have a constitution in short order.

    @rodin, I hadn’t heard about the potential travel restrictions. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, though. The prohibitions just keep piling up, don’t they?

    Really? I cant return to work after Thanksgiving without taking a test or quarantining for 14 days. 

    My sister can’t go to college without getting a test every week. 

    Kids are sent home from school with a headache or allergies and can’t return without a test. 

    People schooling and working in NY defined micro-clusters face mandatory random testing.

    This mixed list courtesy the governors of PA and NY.

    We are through the looking glass  if not beyond the rubicon. 

    I was wondering what shape and color the pariah marker might be? And when the dissenters will be rounded up?

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  15. Jules PA Inactive
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    Stina (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    I’m in the camp of seeing government trying to control us through fear of a virus and then controlling us through non-compliance orders and restrictions if I don’t take the vaccine.

    Well, your children can’t go to school if they aren’t vaccinated. Not a whole lot of difference.

    If I choose not to vaccinate, I can home school. And if I homeschool, I can still go to theme parks, zoos, aquariums, travel to other states, go to museums, etc.

    Vaccine requirements for schools also allow for exemptions.

    I fear you are wrong.

    Research Ticketmaster plan for events. No negative test within 48 hours of event, no entry.

    Rest assured, if they get that to work, it will flip to no vaccine no entry as fast as no shirt no shoes no mask no service became the mantra. 

    There are too many powers that be wielding their powers for me. 

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  16. Jules PA Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    Too many red flags that… ummm… are apocalyptic in a Christian sense.

    Stina, are you speaking of red flags regarding the vaccine or the virus, and could you clarify the last part of your sentence?

    So full disclosure, my ideas of Revelations are not, to my knowledge, widespread in their entirety… and the can sound kooky to people who have not really put much thought into it…

    But concerning the vaccine…

    [The second beast] also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    This is a verse from Revelations. To me, anything that involves taking something into myself or on my body that, without it, I am locked or forced out of the economy bears with it huge amounts of skepticism. Add onto that the potential for modifying DNA, which alters the image of God (humans), I’m doubly skeptical.

    The more they say YOU WILL, the more I say I WON’T.

    Yes, this is more and more being discussed as prophetic fulfillment. But it may be a precursor to it, or a partial fulfillment of it. Certainly, having an ion imprinting into your skin that contains your whole health history, your bank access and for all I know, your whereabouts, this is even more like a fulfillment of this prophecy.

    No matter how controlling and bad this is, it is not exactly the same as taking a knee or worshiping the image of the beast. I’m not saying you’re wrong, and it certainly could be so.

    Revelation 13:15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live

    Ahh, so resistance is not futile?

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Yes, this is more and more being discussed as prophetic fulfillment. But it may be a precursor to it, or a partial fulfillment of it. Certainly, having an ion imprinting into your skin that contains your whole health history, your bank access and for all I know, your whereabouts, this is even more like a fulfillment of this prophecy.

    No matter how controlling and bad this is, it is not exactly the same as taking a knee or worshiping the image of the beast. I’m not saying you’re wrong, and it certainly could be so.

    Revelation 13:15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live

    Ahh, so resistance is not futile?

    :) Yes.

    I said to another Christian that Christianity is essentially the greatest “conspiracy theory” of them all, and he took exception to this until I explained.

    The entire Book of the Revelation of John and the warnings of Jesus in Matthew 24 speak of a great global conspiracy.  It will happen.  Jesus did not say: It will happen unless you are very careful.  He said, “Take heed that no man deceive you.”  And, “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

    And yes, it ends well.  Jesus saves.  Justice is served.  God’s mercy and grace reign on the last day.  And all those who follow Him will be conformed into the image of His Son.

    He will change our lowly body to conform with his glorified body by the power that enables him also to bring all things into subjection to himself.

    And

    Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.

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  18. Scott Wilmot Member
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  19. MiMac Thatcher
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    @MiMac

    The critical part of operation warp speed WAS NOT cutting corners in vaccine development (thereby increasing the risk) but in that it supported the PARALLEL development of the vaccine production & distribution system WHILE the vaccine was in human trials. This is similar to a time honored way to speed manufacturing- parallel rather than serial development/production.Typically, first the vaccine is developed, then tested, than the factory is built, then the vaccine actually mass produced. That whole process takes years- the genius of OWS was to build the manufacturing capacity (&make vaccine) while the human testing was ongoing. No private firm would risk all the associated costs of such a program w/o knowing it could cover the expenses with a viable vaccine. OWS essentially guaranteed the private firms that they wouldn’t suffer a major loss. There is some added safety in the old way of making vaccines-because you have longer follow up-but the added increment is small-most long term problems in vaccines and drugs that were missed in phase 3 trials don’t show up while the factory is being built- typically further down the road.

    mRNA vaccines are easier to make b/c to start the process all you need is the sequence of the base nucleotides to start development- you do not need the actual virus in a culture nor to develop a culture of attenuated virus.

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  20. Buckpasser Member
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    @Buckpasser

    Dumb question. (Teacher said there are no dumb questions)  I have had people say they got the flu as soon as they got the flu shot (vaccine).  Will people get Covid after the Covid shot (vaccine)?

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  21. MiMac Thatcher
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    @MiMac

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Dumb question. (Teacher said there are no dumb questions) I have had people say they got the flu as soon as they got the flu shot (vaccine). Will people get Covid after the Covid shot (vaccine)?

    Not from a mRNA vaccine- you are not getting a virus (either dead or attenuated). 

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  22. The Other Diane Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Dumb question. (Teacher said there are no dumb questions) I have had people say they got the flu as soon as they got the flu shot (vaccine). Will people get Covid after the Covid shot (vaccine)?

    Not from a mRNA vaccine- you are not getting a virus (either dead or attenuated).

    I spoke with my brother (Pfizer cancer researcher) a few days ago and he said that the mRNA delivery of the vaccine could revolutionize how flu vaccines are formulated from now on.  If I understood him correctly, instead of looking to the southern hemisphere to determine which flu strains to include in the year’s vaccine, a bunch of strains could be attached via mRNA and would create a much more effective vaccine.

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  23. Percival Thatcher
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    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Dumb question. (Teacher said there are no dumb questions) I have had people say they got the flu as soon as they got the flu shot (vaccine). Will people get Covid after the Covid shot (vaccine)?

    It is true that there are no dumb questions. This does not rule out inquisitive idiots.

    Like me.

    • #53
  24. MiMac Thatcher
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    @MiMac

    The Other Diane (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Dumb question. (Teacher said there are no dumb questions) I have had people say they got the flu as soon as they got the flu shot (vaccine). Will people get Covid after the Covid shot (vaccine)?

    Not from a mRNA vaccine- you are not getting a virus (either dead or attenuated).

    I spoke with my brother (Pfizer cancer researcher) a few days ago and he said that the mRNA delivery of the vaccine could revolutionize how flu vaccines are formulated from now on. If I understood him correctly, instead of looking to the southern hemisphere to determine which flu strains to include in the year’s vaccine, a bunch of strains could be attached via mRNA and would create a much more effective vaccine.

    The real hope with mRNA vaccine technology is in cancer therapy-creating custom made vaccines for a patient to treat his cancer. The success of OWS will hopefully spill over to further such developments.

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  25. Weeping Inactive
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    @Weeping

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Other Diane (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Dumb question. (Teacher said there are no dumb questions) I have had people say they got the flu as soon as they got the flu shot (vaccine). Will people get Covid after the Covid shot (vaccine)?

    Not from a mRNA vaccine- you are not getting a virus (either dead or attenuated).

    I spoke with my brother (Pfizer cancer researcher) a few days ago and he said that the mRNA delivery of the vaccine could revolutionize how flu vaccines are formulated from now on. If I understood him correctly, instead of looking to the southern hemisphere to determine which flu strains to include in the year’s vaccine, a bunch of strains could be attached via mRNA and would create a much more effective vaccine.

    The real hope with mRNA vaccine technology is in cancer therapy-creating custom made vaccines for a patient to treat his cancer. The success of OWS will hopefully spill over to further such developments.

    Now that would make all this COVID craziness worth it. (Thinking in general terms here, not specific situations.)

     

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  26. Stina Member
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    I’m in the camp of seeing government trying to control us through fear of a virus and then controlling us through non-compliance orders and restrictions if I don’t take the vaccine.

    Well, your children can’t go to school if they aren’t vaccinated. Not a whole lot of difference.

    If I choose not to vaccinate, I can home school. And if I homeschool, I can still go to theme parks, zoos, aquariums, travel to other states, go to museums, etc.

    Vaccine requirements for schools also allow for exemptions.

    I fear you are wrong.

    Research Ticketmaster plan for events. No negative test within 48 hours of event, no entry.

    Rest assured, if they get that to work, it will flip to no vaccine no entry as fast as no shirt no shoes no mask no service became the mantra.

    There are too many powers that be wielding their powers for me.

    This was a response to an assertion concerning the way things HAVE been. Not how they will be. This is different. It hasn’t been like this before.

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  27. Jules PA Inactive
    Jules PA
    @JulesPA

    Stina (View Comment):
    Vaccine requirements for schools also allow for exemptions.

    Not in NY. I dont think there are any exemptions.

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  28. Stina Member
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    @CM

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    Vaccine requirements for schools also allow for exemptions.

    Not in NY. I dont think there are any exemptions.

    Luckily, I’m not forced to stay in NY. And neither are any residents of NY.

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