Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Are We Watching Failure Theater? Because Team Trump’s Actions Don’t Make Any Sense.

 

Maybe Giuliani, Murtaugh, Stepien, etc. have some different, better course of action planned that I cannot begin to guess at, but otherwise what’s happening (or not happening) isn’t making any sense.

Let’s be honest; everyone knew from the onset that no judge is going to set aside the results, or delay the certification of the election, and no state legislature is going to send a different slate of electors without incontrovertible evidence of election fraud in sufficient volume to change the outcome.

One would think the Trump legal team would therefore prioritize the pursuit of that evidence, and try and secure court orders to state and local authorities to provide full access to *everything* (documents, records, the ballots themselves) so that the Trump Campaign can conduct a full in-depth audit of the vote and forensic examinations of ballots in the suspect counties in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada.

I am not in the loop on what the Trump team’s strategy is, but I have yet to see any filings in any state making such a request. At the very least we should be seeing requests for court orders to impound the records, documents, machines, and ballots. Instead, we’ve seen Trump suffering predictable defeat after defeat from lawyers aiming for the impossible. You cannot expect a judge to order a remedy, especially one like setting aside election results, based on a criminal allegation you cannot readily prove in court.

What bothers me even more is the lack of any evidence of the logistical ramp-up to carry out audits across multiple states that we should be seeing now. I’ve not seen anything like the level of recruitment and mobilization of equipment and manpower that will be needed to carry out the sort of investigation that can prove the election was stolen (or not).

It’s already been almost two weeks since the election and the clock is ticking. The only way this can be done within the timeline is by a massive mobilization of volunteers, crowdsourcing, data analytics, and forensic analysis on an industrial scale.

So where is the call for volunteers, for data and forensics experts, software testers, investigators, and auditors? Where are the logistics pros to orchestrate this operation?

The Trump Campaign is right now supposed to be recruiting folks like RedState’s Scott Hounsell*, data analysts and statisticians, to help identify locales with statistical anomalies and other red flags – e.g. 95% turnout, incredible vote swings, impossible margins – for investigation.

Please read Hounsell’s analyses of the results in GA, WI, MI and PA.

Once so directed, investigators can do the document tracing and investigate and verify the audit trails. Who took custody of this ballot box? Who delivered it? How many people voted in the precinct? How many ballots were inside when it left the precinct? Where’s the voters’ register? Who received the ballot box at the counting center? When? How many ballots arrived at the counting center? etc.

Volunteers can be coordinated to methodically verify addresses (physically and otherwise) and check information against public records, identify potential signature mismatches, with separate verification teams and AI/ML applications to validate the data.

Volunteers in their thousands can also be deputized by the campaign to physically sort out ballots and identify the suspicious, e.g. ballots with only the Presidential race marked. These (and others) can then be subjected to extra scrutiny by forensic teams.

Out of the President’s 70 million voters, there are certainly more than enough who know something about ink forensics and the use of spectrophotometers and other forensic equipment. Thousands of people using the exact same pen brand in the exact same color in the exact same patterns across multiple jurisdictions with different races, particularly when it comes to absentee ballots, is incontrovertible evidence of fraud.

I also expect that the President’s 70 million supporters include computer forensics experts and software analysts who will only be too happy to examine the tabulating machines’ logs and validate the software.

In other words, this should be a coordinated endeavor involving a massive number of people, akin to a military operation. Even without Big Tech, with Parler, MeWe, Signal, etc. and 70 million passionate supporters from all walks of life, there is a no lack of avenues for coordination, manpower or expertise.

Given the deadlines, and the fact that even the very best logistics experts know you must respect the one most unforgiving resource, time, the lawyers need to start convincing some judges (Justices, preferably) that this is an accounting/audit problem; red flags mean we get to take an in-depth look at the books, it serves the public’s interest, and it can be done within the necessary deadlines. Most helpful would be securing the support of the Republican leaders in charge of the affected State Legislatures (GA, MI, PA, and WI) as amici for their petition.

The best time for this, mounting up the resources for the audits and filing the necessary suits, was last week. The next best time is *now*, and the very moment Alito, Kavanaugh and Thomas are able to receive petitions in their chambers.

Again, maybe there’s a better plan that we’re not privy to and I’m wrong, and we’re not seeing failure theater.

But bitter experience and Occam’s Razor suggests otherwise.

I just hope I’m wrong.

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  1. Django Member

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    Good point.

    The voters supported Republicans up and down the ballot while rejecting Trump.

    So, nominating Trump in 2024 is essentially handing the Left the White House for yet another 4 years.

    If bad enough that the Trumpist wing of the GOP handed the White House to the Left in 2020. We have to nominate a better candidate in 2024.

    It seems as if we don’t live in the same universe. Trump got more support from minorities than any Republican since 1960 and those down-ticket candidates didn’t, to my knowledge, oppose Trump’s policies. So I don’t know how you can

    BTW Joe Biden turns 78 on Friday.

    This was a close run election, just as the 2016 election was a close run election. 2020 was a Republican victory, and a Trump loss.

     

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    What is this “We” stuff, Gary.

    You are not on our side. You are an enemy of the Republicans, as per your votes for democrats, and your desire for them to control the house and the senate.

    You are not on the side of Republicans.

    I just heard a report on the hourly news that 60% of those who voted for Trump want him to run again. If he does, the Usual Suspects will join forces and contribute to another Republican loss. They will be blaming those nasty Trump supporters again.

    I am putting you on notice that I can’t ever see myself voting for Trump or his children. Nominate him or them at your peril.

    But consider this. Trump has a gauntlet of six tough lawsuits to deal with, two of them being criminal, and four being civil. See the CNN piece: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/donald-trump-lawsuits/index.html.

    Trump has a bunch of debts that he has guaranteed. He has a world of hurt that being President had protected him from. That protection is ending on January 20, 2021, which is 64 days from now.

    You have me confused with someone who gives a [redacted] what you Nevers think. 

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  2. Gary Robbins Reagan

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    The judge in Pennsylvania just asked Giuliani and other Trump lawyers “you are asking me to throw out” many thousands of votes, “can you tell me how this result can even possibly be justified?” After a long pause, Giuliani…does not answer the question. Just repeats his fraud allegations.

    Sounds to me like the judge is an idiot. If the votes are fraudulent, that IS the justification. Of course, if Giuliani can’t offer proof, why is he there wasting the judge’s time?

    No. Giuliani needed to answer the question. If there is a wrong, then the question is what is the appropriate remedy? However that assumes that Giuliani has facts to support his arguments which he does not.

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

    I will disagree with most of Biden’s policies. But voting for Biden saved the Republic and Republican Party from an existential threat.

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    The judge in Pennsylvania just asked Giuliani and other Trump lawyers “you are asking me to throw out” many thousands of votes, “can you tell me how this result can even possibly be justified?” After a long pause, Giuliani…does not answer the question. Just repeats his fraud allegations.

    Sounds to me like the judge is an idiot. If the votes are fraudulent, that IS the justification. Of course, if Giuliani can’t offer proof, why is he there wasting the judge’s time?

    No. Giuliani needed to answer the question. If there is a wrong, then the question is what is the appropriate remedy? However that assumes that Giuliani has facts to support his arguments which he does not.

    Nonsense. Are you OK with fraudulent votes? The appropriate remedies are 1) don’t count them, 2) prosecute those who cast them, and maybe those who knowingly let them pass. It is no more complicated than that. Only a lawyer could think it is. 

    If Giuliani can’t support the charge, he shouldn’t be there. 

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    What is this “We” stuff, Gary.

    You are not on our side. You are an enemy of the Republicans, as per your votes for democrats, and your desire for them to control the house and the senate.

    You are not on the side of Republicans.

    Amen!

    Any supporter this avid about The Lincoln Project has, in my humble opinion, forfeited any right to call himself a Republican. They are a despicable and tawdry disgrace to the Nation, and were apparently heavily involved in the intimidation of the law firms of Jones Day (cowards) and Porter Wright (cowards) which drove them to withdraw as counsel for the President. How any member of the Bar can so loudly proclaim his or her admiration for such a bunch of thugs is simply beyond me.

    Well said, Bryan.

    Sincerely, Jim

    But, this behavior is clearly fine for Gary Which is rich, because Gary calls posting his public donations “doxxing”.

    Bryan, if you have been divorced, there is a public record of that. If you have declared bankruptcy, there is a public record of that. If you have had criminal charges, there is a public record of that. If you have had an Order of Protection filed against you, there is a public record of that.

    In 2008, many people made “public donations” to Proposition 8 in California which prohibited same sex marriage. Now those people are being hunted down and many of them have lost their jobs.

    I assert that posting someone’s “public donations” is a form of doxxing, just as posting their divorce record, their bankruptcies, their convictions and Orders of Protection.

    Gary

    Doxing is posting private information that is not supposed to be publicly available to identify someone.

    Public information is (by definition) available to the public.

     

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

    I will disagree with most of Biden’s policies. But voting for Biden saved the Republic and Republican Party from an existential threat.

    And condemned the country if Miffed is prescient. Your priorities are hosed and you are to blame for what happens.

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    What is this “We” stuff, Gary.

    You are not on our side. You are an enemy of the Republicans, as per your votes for democrats, and your desire for them to control the house and the senate.

    You are not on the side of Republicans.

    Amen!

    Any supporter this avid about The Lincoln Project has, in my humble opinion, forfeited any right to call himself a Republican. They are a despicable and tawdry disgrace to the Nation, and were apparently heavily involved in the intimidation of the law firms of Jones Day (cowards) and Porter Wright (cowards) which drove them to withdraw as counsel for the President. How any member of the Bar can so loudly proclaim his or her admiration for such a bunch of thugs is simply beyond me.

    Well said, Bryan.

    Sincerely, Jim

    But, this behavior is clearly fine for Gary Which is rich, because Gary calls posting his public donations “doxxing”.

    Bryan, if you have been divorced, there is a public record of that. If you have declared bankruptcy, there is a public record of that. If you have had criminal charges, there is a public record of that. If you have had an Order of Protection filed against you, there is a public record of that.

    In 2008, many people made “public donations” to Proposition 8 in California which prohibited same sex marriage. Now those people are being hunted down and many of them have lost their jobs.

    I assert that posting someone’s “public donations” is a form of doxxing, just as posting their divorce record, their bankruptcies, their convictions and Orders of Protection.

    Gary

    Doxing is posting private information that is not supposed to be publicly available to identify someone.

    Public information is (by definition) available to the public.

    So if I post people’s divorce history, or criminal history, or bankruptcy history, that would be okay? I don’t think so.

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    What is this “We” stuff, Gary.

    You are not on our side. You are an enemy of the Republicans, as per your votes for democrats, and your desire for them to control the house and the senate.

    You are not on the side of Republicans.

    Amen!

    Any supporter this avid about The Lincoln Project has, in my humble opinion, forfeited any right to call himself a Republican. They are a despicable and tawdry disgrace to the Nation, and were apparently heavily involved in the intimidation of the law firms of Jones Day (cowards) and Porter Wright (cowards) which drove them to withdraw as counsel for the President. How any member of the Bar can so loudly proclaim his or her admiration for such a bunch of thugs is simply beyond me.

    Well said, Bryan.

    Sincerely, Jim

    But, this behavior is clearly fine for Gary Which is rich, because Gary calls posting his public donations “doxxing”.

    Bryan, if you have been divorced, there is a public record of that. If you have declared bankruptcy, there is a public record of that. If you have had criminal charges, there is a public record of that. If you have had an Order of Protection filed against you, there is a public record of that.

    In 2008, many people made “public donations” to Proposition 8 in California which prohibited same sex marriage. Now those people are being hunted down and many of them have lost their jobs.

    I assert that posting someone’s “public donations” is a form of doxxing, just as posting their divorce record, their bankruptcies, their convictions and Orders of Protection.

    Gary

    Doxing is posting private information that is not supposed to be publicly available to identify someone.

    Public information is (by definition) available to the public.

    So if I post people’s divorce history, or criminal history, or bankruptcy history, that would be okay? I don’t think so.

    So why are public records public?

    In some cases those records will be sealed by a court (e.g. Jack Ryan’s Divorce, which Barack Obama had unsealed against the expressed desires of both parties to the case). Otherwise, yes, it’s ok to post them, because they are public records. 

     

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

    I will disagree with most of Biden’s policies. But voting for Biden saved the Republic and Republican Party from an existential threat.

    And condemned the country if Miffed is prescient. Your priorities are hosed and you are to blame for what happens.

    This will likely not be the last time I will respond to those who would blame me or other NT’s for Biden.

    Who is to blame is everybody who voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2020 primaries. Who is to blame are the other candidates who did not get out of the 2016 race until too late. Who is to blame are the Republican elected officials who completely failed to stand up to Trump.

    All that having been said, I think that we will get a lot farther if we stop searching for who to blame.

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

    I will disagree with most of Biden’s policies. But voting for Biden saved the Republic and Republican Party from an existential threat.

    And condemned the country if Miffed is prescient. Your priorities are hosed and you are to blame for what happens.

    This will not be the last time I say this. Who is to blame is everybody who voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2020 primaries. Who is to blame are the other candidates who did not get out of the 2016 race until too late. Who is to blame are the Republican elected officials who completely failed to stand up to Trump.

    All that having been said, I think that we will get a lot farther if we stop searching for who to blame.

    Pure, unadulterated nonsense. 

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

    I will disagree with most of Biden’s policies. But voting for Biden saved the Republic and Republican Party from an existential threat.

    And condemned the country if Miffed is prescient. Your priorities are hosed and you are to blame for what happens.

    This will not be the last time I say this. Who is to blame is everybody who voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2020 primaries, and the Republican elected officials who completely failed to stand up to Trump.

    You inadvertently hit the nail on the head: Trump won the (R) Primaries 2016 and 2020 because Trump successfully made the (R) eunuchs who have been leading the (R) Party into an ideological neutered version of Conservatism sit down and pay attention to the majority of the rank and file (R) voter.

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    Trump’s policies were not the main cause of Trump’s defeat. The cause of Trump’s defeat was Trump himself.

    I don’t know how one narrows it down to a single thing. If the press had not launched a four year hit job on the President, I expect he would have won despite “Trump himself.” If social media had not censored Biden family coverage three weeks before the election, it’s entirely possible that Trump would have won despite his peccadilloes. If the Wuhan virus had not infected the world in the last year of his presidency, it seems almost certain that he would have won, again despite his vulgarity and rudeness and tweets, etc.

    I tend to agree that Trump could probably have won despite all of that other stuff, if he’d been a different kind of person. But then we’d have to speculate about whether a different kind of person would have won the first time around, would have drawn the left out and revealed it to so many, would have stood by his nominations despite the howling left, would have pursued the agenda he went into office saying he was going to pursue, etc.

    I think a better way to say it is that there were many causes to Trump’s defeat, and that it’s possible that, had he behaved differently, he could have won despite them. And that’s probably true of a great many candidates.

    How about; HAd the Republican establishment not joined with Democrats to work against him?

    Since I see Trump as an existential threat to the Republic and the Republican Party, I felt that I had no choice but to vote for a Democrat for President for the first time since McGovern in 1972.

    Bryan, can we just agree to disagree and stop the tit for tat? I am guessing that our fellow Ricochetti know very well your antipathy to NT, and my responses.

    As long as you attack people for supporting Trump, as long as you support people engaged in real doxxing I will oppose you.

    The only way I will stop is if you admit you have been wrong in your actions. Otherwise, anytime I see you post about Trump, or make any comments that are counter to past statements insulting all Trump supporters, I will be there to counter you.

    You set this stage Gary, and I will respond, because you need to be counted at every turn. 

    You repeat lies and conspiracy theories as will on this site. I will be here to correct you. I wi be here, with everything Biden does that is contrary to conservative principles tonpomt at that Gary Robbins voted for Biden. 

    Your bed. I will make sure you lay in it.

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    Thanks to you and your ilk, Trump could be the last Republican elected.

    The Republican Party did well in the election, except for the Presidency. Remove Trump, and we have a winning message and coalition.

    Good point.

    The voters supported Republicans up and down the ballot while rejecting Trump.

    So, nominating Trump in 2024 is essentially handing the Left the White House for yet another 4 years.

    If bad enough that the Trumpist wing of the GOP handed the White House to the Left in 2020. We have to nominate a better candidate in 2024.

    It seems as if we don’t live in the same universe. Trump got more support from minorities than any Republican since 1960 and those down-ticket candidates didn’t, to my knowledge, oppose Trump’s policies. So I don’t know how you can blame the “Trumpist wing”

    In the state of Maine, the voters re-elected Establishment Republican Susan Collins while those same voters rejected Donald Trump.

    The lesson from the 2020 election might be that if you nominate a man who pays off porn stars, you won’t win the election, even if the Democrat is senile.

    Just to be clear this election is still not decided, and while I believe the result will be a Trump loss, the polls had Trump losing in a landslide and the (D)/MSM Corporate media are still pooping their pants in disbelief that Trump did so well after 4 years of constant MSM bombardment.

    So this idea that Trump was crushed in this election is simply not true, and saying it repeatedly will not change the fact that, win or lose, this was a very close Presidential election.

    I don’t believe Trump should run again in 2024 because he would be 78 then, and IMO, too old to be President ….

    BTW Joe Biden turns 78 on Friday.

    This was a close run election, just as the 2016 election was a close run election. 2020 was a Republican victory, and a Trump loss.

    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    What is this “We” stuff, Gary.

    You are not on our side. You are an enemy of the Republicans, as per your votes for democrats, and your desire for them to control the house and the senate.

    You are not on the side of Republicans.

    Not true. I supported the Republicans keeping control of the Senate. https://ricochet.com/779702/who-i-support-in-the-senate-elections/

    You advocated the Senate becoming Democrat. Fact. Fact. Fact.

    You never get to back off of that. You wanted the Democrats to control the Senate. And that means no more Trump Judges. 

    You are for their agenda. You voted for it. 

     

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    I just heard a report on the hourly news that 60% of those who voted for Trump want him to run again. If he does, the Usual Suspects will join forces and contribute to another Republican loss. They will be blaming those nasty Trump supporters again.

    Imagine a contest between Tom Cotton and Donald Trump. Epic.

    May the best man win. Fairly. If Nevers could say that, there wouldn’t be such a divide in the GOP.

    BTW, I’ve read some columns by leftists who claim Cotton is worse than Trump because he is Trump’s policies without Trump’s baggage.

    I could live with Tom Cotton, while I can’t and won’t live with Trump. Tom Cotton has a law degree from Harvard. He served our country in the armed forces. I disagree with his proposed restrictions on legal immigration but he is so much better than Trump.

    What a crock. You can live with Trump, but you are OK with peole who can with live with Trump? So you are willing to sell your morals out, as long as you personally don’t get your hands dirty? How morally bankrupt.

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    What is this “We” stuff, Gary.

    You are not on our side. You are an enemy of the Republicans, as per your votes for democrats, and your desire for them to control the house and the senate.

    You are not on the side of Republicans.

    Amen!

    Any supporter this avid about The Lincoln Project has, in my humble opinion, forfeited any right to call himself a Republican. They are a despicable and tawdry disgrace to the Nation, and were apparently heavily involved in the intimidation of the law firms of Jones Day (cowards) and Porter Wright (cowards) which drove them to withdraw as counsel for the President. How any member of the Bar can so loudly proclaim his or her admiration for such a bunch of thugs is simply beyond me.

    Well said, Bryan.

    Sincerely, Jim

    But, this behavior is clearly fine for Gary Which is rich, because Gary calls posting his public donations “doxxing”.

    Bryan, if you have been divorced, there is a public record of that. If you have declared bankruptcy, there is a public record of that. If you have had criminal charges, there is a public record of that. If you have had an Order of Protection filed against you, there is a public record of that.

    In 2008, many people made “public donations” to Proposition 8 in California which prohibited same sex marriage. Now those people are being hunted down and many of them have lost their jobs.

    I assert that posting someone’s “public donations” is a form of doxxing, just as posting their divorce record, their bankruptcies, their convictions and Orders of Protection.

    Gary

    LOL.

    You are a Proud Republican for Biden. And the you are upset someone proves you speak the truth.

    Can’t help but notice, you can’t bring yourself to dennonce the Lincoln Project for it.

    Rich, Gary. I guess it only applies when it is you, but not when it is a law firm supporting Trump.

    You are therefore in support of the supression of speech you don’t agree with.

    And you dare to say you love Reagan?

    He would skake his head st you, Gary. Reagan would not support you or your ilk. 

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

    I will disagree with most of Biden’s policies. But voting for Biden saved the Republic and Republican Party from an existential threat.

    You voted for him, Gary.

    You own Evey last thing he does

    You support Biden and that meas I am holding you, Gary Robbins, responsible. This is on you and all your Democrat buddies.

    I can only hope Biden policies personally cause you pain. 

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    If the GOP nominates Trump for president in 2024, why would we think the election outcome would end up any different?

    This 2020 election cycle has demonstrated that Trump is easy kill for the Left. Trump’s toast.

    I see you have a problem with reality as well as all Never Trumpers. What would the election been like if the Chinese had not released the CCP virus? In other words, events. (And I expect Biden to be a disaster. ) And in spite of a pandemic and the economic consequences, Trump almost won. Your remarks show how delusional you are.

     

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    While it is only 27 days until the Electoral College votes, there are only 11 Court days left for Trump to win in the Courts, given that Courts almost never meet on weekends and holidays such as Thanksgiving. Nine Court days have already gone by, and most of Trump’s lawsuits have been dismissed.

    Yes.

    Trump has been handed one defeat after another in court. The sooner we realize that Trump is a loser, the sooner Republicans can focus on winning the US Senate races in Georgia and fighting against the Biden-Harris agenda.

    Why would you want to fight against the Biden-Harris agenda? You helped bring it about. 

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    Trump’s policies were not the main cause of Trump’s defeat. The cause of Trump’s defeat was Trump himself.

    I don’t know how one narrows it down to a single thing. If the press had not launched a four year hit job on the President, I expect he would have won despite “Trump himself.” If social media had not censored Biden family coverage three weeks before the election, it’s entirely possible that Trump would have won despite his peccadilloes. If the Wuhan virus had not infected the world in the last year of his presidency, it seems almost certain that he would have won, again despite his vulgarity and rudeness and tweets, etc.

    I tend to agree that Trump could probably have won despite all of that other stuff, if he’d been a different kind of person. But then we’d have to speculate about whether a different kind of person would have won the first time around, would have drawn the left out and revealed it to so many, would have stood by his nominations despite the howling left, would have pursued the agenda he went into office saying he was going to pursue, etc.

    I think a better way to say it is that there were many causes to Trump’s defeat, and that it’s possible th.f a great many candidates.

    How about; HAd the Republican establishment not joined with Democrats to work against him?

    Since I see Trump as an existential threat to the Republic and the Republican Party, I felt that I had no choice but to vote for a DGovern in 1972.

    Bryan, can we just agree to disagree and stop the tit for tat? I am guessing that our fellow Ricochetti know very well your antipathy to NT, and my responses.

    As long as you attack people for supporting Trump, as long as you support people engaged in real doxxing I will oppose you.

    The only way I will stop is if you admit you have been wrong in your actions. Otherwise, anytime I see you post about Trump, or make any comments that are counter to past statements insulting all Trump supporters, I will be there to counter you.

    You set this stage Gary, and I will respond, because you need to be counted at every turn.

    You repeat lies and conspiracy theories as will on this site. I will be here to correct you. I wi be here, with everything Biden does that is contrary to conservative principles tonpomt at that Gary Robbins voted for Biden.

    Your bed. I will make sure you lay in it.

    I don’t think he’s worth the effort, but if you do, more power to you. It’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it, I guess. 

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    My sense is that Trump could have won this election if he had not made so many nut job comments, convincing a critical swath of voters that Trump was mentally defective.

    In the middle of an economic contraction due to covid-19, Trump decided to take up the conspiracy theory of Joe Scarborough having one of his congressional aides killed in the 1990s.

    Bonehead move. It was statements like those that cost Trump the election.

    Trump’s policies were not the main cause of Trump’s defeat. The cause of Trump’s defeat was Trump himself.

    You focus on minutia like your Scarborough story. You obviously know very little about elections.

    You obviously know even less.

    I only liked your comment because it’s the first time I’ve heard a simple I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I? rebuttal here on Ricochet.

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

    I will disagree with most of Biden’s policies. But voting for Biden saved the Republic and Republican Party from an existential threat.

    And condemned the country if Miffed is prescient. Your priorities are hosed and you are to blame for what happens.

    This will not be the last time I say this. Who is to blame is everybody who voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2020 primaries, and the Republican elected officials who completely failed to stand up to Trump.

    You inadvertently hit the nail on the head: Trump won the (R) Primaries 2016 and 2020 because Trump successfully made the (R) eunuchs who have been leading the (R) Party into an ideological neutered version of Conservatism sit down and pay attention to the majority of the rank and file (R) voter.

    Trump barely won the 2016 election and was only the third elected president to lose re-election in the last 100 years. If I understand your point of view, the Trump Republican Party doesn’t need the college educated voters in the suburbs. I believe that that was a fatal error. Mark my words, if Trump or one of his children is nominated in 2024, they will lose. If you find a Republican who appeals to all branches, then you have a winning formula.

    One other point. How am I to take being called a eunuch? Perhaps your first step should be to stop calling other Republicans names?

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    Trump’s policies were not the main cause of Trump’s defeat. The cause of Trump’s defeat was Trump himself.

    I don’t know how one narrows it down to a single thing. If the press had not launched a four year hit job on the President, I expect he would have won despite “Trump himself.” If social media had not censored Biden family coverage three weeks before the election, it’s entirely possible that Trump would have won despite his peccadilloes. If the Wuhan virus had not infected the world in the last year of his presidency, it seems almost certain that he would have won, again despite his vulgarity and rudeness and tweets, etc.

    I tend to agree that Trump could probably have won despite all of that other stuff, if he’d been a different kind of person. But then we’d have to speculate about whether a different kind of person would have won the first time around, would have drawn the left out and revealed it to so many, would have stood by his nominations despite the howling left, would have pursued the agenda he went into office saying he was going to pursue, etc.

    I think a better way to say it is that there were many causes to Trump’s defeat, and that it’s possible that, had he behaved differently, he could have won despite them. And that’s probably true of a great many candidates.

    How about; HAd the Republican establishment not joined with Democrats to work against him?

    Since I see Trump as an existential threat to the Republic and the Republican Party, I felt that I had no choice but to vote for a Democrat for President for the first time since McGovern in 1972.

    Bryan, can we just agree to disagree and stop the tit for tat? I am guessing that our fellow Ricochetti know very well your antipathy to NT, and my responses.

    As long as you attack people for supporting Trump, as long as you support people engaged in real doxxing I will oppose you.

    This is going to become tiresome and I predict will cause comments to be closed.

    I do not attack people for supporting Trump. My sainted mother voted for Trump.

    I do not support doxxing, it appears that you do.

    The only way I will stop is if you admit you have been wrong in your actions. Otherwise, anytime I see you post about Trump, or make any comments that are counter to past statements insulting all Trump supporters, I will be there to counter you.

    This may be a very, very long four years. I will not recite the Bryan confessional.

    You set this stage Gary, and I will respond, because you need to be counted at every turn.

    Knock yourself out. However, this sounds like a threat which is contrary to the CofC.

    You repeat lies and conspiracy theories as will on this site. I will be here to correct you. I wi be here, with everything Biden does that is contrary to conservative principles tonpomt at that Gary Robbins voted for Biden.

    I haven’t repeated any conspiracy theories. Or are you suggesting that my repeating the media calling the election for Biden is itself a conspiracy theory that Biden won? If so, what will you say if Biden wins the Electoral College in 26 days on December 14th? And what will you say when Biden is inaugurated in 64 days, on January 20, 2021?

    Your bed. I will make sure you lay in it.

    Knock yourself out. Please do not be surprised if I respond, point by point, answering your arguments and flagging you when you violate the CofC.

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    Thanks to you and your ilk, Trump could be the last Republican elected.

    The Republican Party did well in the election, except for the Presidency. Remove Trump, and we have a winning message and coalition.

    Good point.

    The voters supported Republicans up and down the ballot while rejecting Trump.

    So, nominating Trump in 2024 is essentially handing the Left the White House for yet another 4 years.

    If bad enough that the Trumpist wing of the GOP handed the White House to the Left in 2020. We have to nominate a better candidate in 2024.

    It seems as if we don’t live in the same universe. Trump got more support from minorities than any Republican since 1960 and those down-ticket candidates didn’t, to my knowledge, oppose Trump’s policies. So I don’t know how you can blame the “Trumpist wing”

    In the state of Maine, the voters re-elected Establishment Republican Susan Collins while those same voters rejected Donald Trump.

    The lesson from the 2020 election might be that if you nominate a man who pays off porn stars, you won’t win the election, even if the Democrat is senile.

    Just to be clear this election is still not decided, and while I believe the result will be a Trump loss, the polls had Trump losing in a landslide and the (D)/MSM Corporate media are still pooping their pants in disbelief that Trump did so well after 4 years of constant MSM bombardment.

    So this idea that Trump was crushed in this election is simply not true, and saying it repeatedly will not change the fact that, win or lose, this was a very close Presidential election.

    I don’t believe Trump should run again in 2024 because he would be 78 then, and IMO, too old to be President ….

    BTW Joe Biden turns 78 on Friday.

    This was a close run election, just as the 2016 election was a close run election. 2020 was a Republican victory, and a Trump loss.

    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    What is this “We” stuff, Gary.

    You are not on our side. You are an enemy of the Republicans, as per your votes for democrats, and your desire for them to control the house and the senate.

    You are not on the side of Republicans.

    Not true. I supported the Republicans keeping control of the Senate. https://ricochet.com/779702/who-i-support-in-the-senate-elections/

    You advocated the Senate becoming Democrat. Fact. Fact. Fact.

    Apparently you failed to read the above post. Its third paragraph states:

    “On the other hand, handing the Senate over to the Democrats would remove an important check on President Biden. Add to this that many Democrats want to do away with the filibuster. If I knew to a moral certainty that the filibuster would remain, I could go with a clean sweep of all Republican Senators except for Mitt Romney who is not up for election (and has 60% fallibility in Utah!) and Lamar Alexander who is retiring. Democrats Dianne Feinstein and Kyrsten Sinema both oppose doing away with the filibuster, but I fear that they could be stampeded by the other Democrats. Given that, I would support Republicans losing two Senate seats, just enough to maintain control, but a clear slap on the hands by Americans for their lack of character with impeachment by failing to even acknowledge that what Trump had done was wrong. So, the question is which Republicans I would like to win re-election and which ones would I like to lose to end up with a net loss of two seats.”

    So, I did not advocate for the Senate control by the Democrats. Will you apologize for making a mistake?

    You never get to back off of that. You wanted the Democrats to control the Senate. And that means no more Trump Judges.

    Nope. I wanted Republicans to hold the Senate. I am also working on the re-election of Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue. I have already given to them. Have you?

    You are for their agenda. You voted for it.

    No again. I voted for the removal of Donald Trump to protect our Republic and the Republican Party.

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    I just heard a report on the hourly news that 60% of those who voted for Trump want him to run again. If he does, the Usual Suspects will join forces and contribute to another Republican loss. They will be blaming those nasty Trump supporters again.

    Imagine a contest between Tom Cotton and Donald Trump. Epic.

    May the best man win. Fairly. If Nevers could say that, there wouldn’t be such a divide in the GOP.

    BTW, I’ve read some columns by leftists who claim Cotton is worse than Trump because he is Trump’s policies without Trump’s baggage.

    I could live with Tom Cotton, while I can’t and won’t live with Trump. Tom Cotton has a law degree from Harvard. He served our country in the armed forces. I disagree with his proposed restrictions on legal immigration but he is so much better than Trump.

    What a crock. You can live with Trump, but you are OK with peole who can with live with Trump? So you are willing to sell your morals out, as long as you personally don’t get your hands dirty? How morally bankrupt.

    Your second sentence is incoherent. Your third sentence doesn’t make sense. Flag as to fourth sentence: “morally bankrupt” is name calling.

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    What is this “We” stuff, Gary.

    You are not on our side. You are an enemy of the Republicans, as per your votes for democrats, and your desire for them to control the house and the senate.

    You are not on the side of Republicans.

    Amen!

    Any supporter this avid about The Lincoln Project has, in my humble opinion, forfeited any right to call himself a Republican. They are a despicable and tawdry disgrace to the Nation, and were apparently heavily involved in the intimidation of the law firms of Jones Day (cowards) and Porter Wright (cowards) which drove them to withdraw as counsel for the President. How any member of the Bar can so loudly proclaim his or her admiration for such a bunch of thugs is simply beyond me.

    Well said, Bryan.

    Sincerely, Jim

    But, this behavior is clearly fine for Gary Which is rich, because Gary calls posting his public donations “doxxing”.

    Bryan, if you have been divorced, there is a public record of that. If you have declared bankruptcy, there is a public record of that. If you have had criminal charges, there is a public record of that. If you have had an Order of Protection filed against you, there is a public record of that.

    In 2008, many people made “public donations” to Proposition 8 in California which prohibited same sex marriage. Now those people are being hunted down and many of them have lost their jobs.

    I assert that posting someone’s “public donations” is a form of doxxing, just as posting their divorce record, their bankruptcies, their convictions and Orders of Protection.

    Gary

    LOL.

    You are a Proud Republican for Biden. And the you are upset someone proves you speak the truth.

    Yes, I am a Proud Republican for Biden. By voting for my first Democrat for President since 1972, I helped protect the Republic and the Republican Party. I am not upset with anybody speaking the truth.

    Can’t help but notice, you can’t bring yourself to dennonce the Lincoln Project for it.

    Apparently you missed my closing two paragraphs which I wrote after getting a great deal of negative feedback about The Lincoln Project “TLP.”

    “Edit. After hearing from my fellow Ricochetti, I shifted my position:

    “I hear all of you. There is a big difference between The Lincoln Project (TLP) and Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT), in that the former oppose Republican Senators and Trump, and the latter oppose only Trump. I am shiftng my donations from TLP to RVAT.

    “I am sure that there will be many of you so will not be impressed in that I am still against Trump. I would hope that some of you can chalk up the victory that I shifted from TLP to RVAT. That’s all I can do, at least for now.”

    Rich, Gary. I guess it only applies when it is you, but not when it is a law firm supporting Trump.

    Your sentence is incoherent.

    You are therefore in support of the supression of speech you don’t agree with.

    You are jumping to a conclusion which is not warranted.

    And you dare to say you love Reagan?

    I revere Ronald Reagan. The Greatest President of the 18th Century was George Washington. The Greatest President of the 19th Century was Abraham Lincoln. The Greatest President of the 20th Century was Ronald Wilson Reagan, and I have been to his Library more than all other Presidential Libraries combined. I hope that you will someday go there yourself.

    He would skake his head st you, Gary. Reagan would not support you or your ilk.

    Reagan famously once said that someone who votes with me 80% of the time is my 80% ally, not my 20% opponent. Reagan managed to cut taxes with a Democrat House of Representatives, by mobilizing Democrats to break with their party.

     

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    Why do people keep saying 2020 was a Republican victory? Republicans lost the election for the House of Representatives. Every seat is up every 2 years. More Democrats were elected than Republicans. Republicans lost less badly than they did in 2018. So what? It’s still not a victory. Republicans may or may not win the Senate. That is still up in the air.

    We narrowed the gap in the House, bigly. We held the Senate provided that we win a least one of the Georgia runoffs. We held legislatures. 2020 was an overall Republican win, and Trump loss.

    That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

    Meanwhile, PRESIDENT Biden will be issuing executive orders to “relieve” a trillion dollars or so of Student Loan debt for upper income people, likely put a Teachers Union President in as Secretary of Education, re-enter the Paris Accords, seek to re-enter the Iran Deal, nominate the next Supreme Court Justice, and restart DACA.

    But at least the mean guy who sends out stupid tweets won’t embarrass Gary anymore.

    I will disagree with most of Biden’s policies. But voting for Biden saved the Republic and Republican Party from an existential threat.

    You voted for him, Gary.

    I voted for Biden to protect the Republic and the Republican Party from an existential threat. Look at how Trump is flailing about. You call that stability? You call that measured?

    You own Evey last thing he does

    I own that a majority of Americans including me removed Trump from power. I also own that we held the Senate and increased our numbers in the House.

    You support Biden and that meas I am holding you, Gary Robbins, responsible. This is on you and all your Democrat buddies.

    You are repeating yourself. This is the sixth comment you have made about me. Are you really trying to get the comments closed on this post? It was a good post with thoughtful comments until you decided to make it personal about me.

    I can only hope Biden policies personally cause you pain.

    Flag. It is contrary to the CofC for one member of Ricochet to wish pain on another member.

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    This will likely not be the last time I will respond to those who would blame me or other NT’s for Biden.

    Who is to blame is everybody who voted for Trump in the 2016 and 2020 primaries. Who is to blame are the other candidates who did not get out of the 2016 race until too late. Who is to blame are the Republican elected officials who completely failed to stand up to Trump.

    All that having been said, I think that we will get a lot farther if we stop searching for who to blame.

    Gary, I agree that the “search for the guilty” is a waste of time if the point of it is merely to condemn people. But it is healthy if the purpose is to understand how we got to where we are. That’s learning from history rather than repeating it.

    Trump won the Republican nomination for several reasons: One was that the non-Trump candidates did not initially take Trump seriously. Another was, as you point out, the non-Trump vote was split between many similar candidates, and those candidates did not leave the race until it was too late. Yet another is that the other candidates refused to adopt the issues that were energizing the Trump voters. Principally, this was the issue of immigration. That issue was a longstanding sore spot with a significant part of the Republican base, but was ignored by candidates anxious not to annoy the Republican donor class (which likes cheap imported labor), and under the mistaken assumption that it was necessary to favor lax borders in order to pander to Hispanics, who were thought necessary to win the election.

    Trump showed that he could win without the Republican donor class and without pandering to Hispanics. The issue of immigration still looms large if not larger than it did in 2016. Biden promises to swing the doors wide open and let in a flood of Democrat voters. Will Republicans learn a lesson here and embrace immigration as a central issue? Or will they go back to Chamber of Commerce Republicanism that is content to see the cheap labor flood in as long as the donor class continues to support “conservative” think tanks and candidates?

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    I just heard a report on the hourly news that 60% of those who voted for Trump want him to run again. If he does, the Usual Suspects will join forces and contribute to another Republican loss. They will be blaming those nasty Trump supporters again.

    Imagine a contest between Tom Cotton and Donald Trump. Epic.

    May the best man win. Fairly. If Nevers could say that, there wouldn’t be such a divide in the GOP.

    BTW, I’ve read some columns by leftists who claim Cotton is worse than Trump because he is Trump’s policies without Trump’s baggage.

    I could live with Tom Cotton, while I can’t and won’t live with Trump. Tom Cotton has a law degree from Harvard. He served our country in the armed forces. I disagree with his proposed restrictions on legal immigration but he is so much better than Trump.

    What a crock. You can live with Trump, but you are OK with peole who can with live with Trump? So you are willing to sell your morals out, as long as you personally don’t get your hands dirty? How morally bankrupt.

    Your second sentence is incoherent. Your third sentence doesn’t make sense. Flag as to fourth sentence: “morally bankrupt” is name calling.

    You are willing to outsource the taint of working with Trump to others. So it is OK for you to support Cotton.

    And yes, I see that as morally bankrupt. How can you support someone willing to work with the devil?

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Reagan famously once said that someone who votes with me 80% of the time is my 80% ally, not my 20% opponent. Reagan managed to cut taxes with a Democrat House of Representatives, by mobilizing Democrats to break with their party.

    But you reject Trump.

    You don’t act on what you say.

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