Are We Watching Failure Theater? Because Team Trump’s Actions Don’t Make Any Sense.

 

Maybe Giuliani, Murtaugh, Stepien, etc. have some different, better course of action planned that I cannot begin to guess at, but otherwise what’s happening (or not happening) isn’t making any sense.

Let’s be honest; everyone knew from the onset that no judge is going to set aside the results, or delay the certification of the election, and no state legislature is going to send a different slate of electors without incontrovertible evidence of election fraud in sufficient volume to change the outcome.

One would think the Trump legal team would therefore prioritize the pursuit of that evidence, and try and secure court orders to state and local authorities to provide full access to *everything* (documents, records, the ballots themselves) so that the Trump Campaign can conduct a full in-depth audit of the vote and forensic examinations of ballots in the suspect counties in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada.

I am not in the loop on what the Trump team’s strategy is, but I have yet to see any filings in any state making such a request. At the very least we should be seeing requests for court orders to impound the records, documents, machines, and ballots. Instead, we’ve seen Trump suffering predictable defeat after defeat from lawyers aiming for the impossible. You cannot expect a judge to order a remedy, especially one like setting aside election results, based on a criminal allegation you cannot readily prove in court.

What bothers me even more is the lack of any evidence of the logistical ramp-up to carry out audits across multiple states that we should be seeing now. I’ve not seen anything like the level of recruitment and mobilization of equipment and manpower that will be needed to carry out the sort of investigation that can prove the election was stolen (or not).

It’s already been almost two weeks since the election and the clock is ticking. The only way this can be done within the timeline is by a massive mobilization of volunteers, crowdsourcing, data analytics, and forensic analysis on an industrial scale.

So where is the call for volunteers, for data and forensics experts, software testers, investigators, and auditors? Where are the logistics pros to orchestrate this operation?

The Trump Campaign is right now supposed to be recruiting folks like RedState’s Scott Hounsell*, data analysts and statisticians, to help identify locales with statistical anomalies and other red flags – e.g. 95% turnout, incredible vote swings, impossible margins – for investigation.

Please read Hounsell’s analyses of the results in GA, WI, MI and PA.

Once so directed, investigators can do the document tracing and investigate and verify the audit trails. Who took custody of this ballot box? Who delivered it? How many people voted in the precinct? How many ballots were inside when it left the precinct? Where’s the voters’ register? Who received the ballot box at the counting center? When? How many ballots arrived at the counting center? etc.

Volunteers can be coordinated to methodically verify addresses (physically and otherwise) and check information against public records, identify potential signature mismatches, with separate verification teams and AI/ML applications to validate the data.

Volunteers in their thousands can also be deputized by the campaign to physically sort out ballots and identify the suspicious, e.g. ballots with only the Presidential race marked. These (and others) can then be subjected to extra scrutiny by forensic teams.

Out of the President’s 70 million voters, there are certainly more than enough who know something about ink forensics and the use of spectrophotometers and other forensic equipment. Thousands of people using the exact same pen brand in the exact same color in the exact same patterns across multiple jurisdictions with different races, particularly when it comes to absentee ballots, is incontrovertible evidence of fraud.

I also expect that the President’s 70 million supporters include computer forensics experts and software analysts who will only be too happy to examine the tabulating machines’ logs and validate the software.

In other words, this should be a coordinated endeavor involving a massive number of people, akin to a military operation. Even without Big Tech, with Parler, MeWe, Signal, etc. and 70 million passionate supporters from all walks of life, there is a no lack of avenues for coordination, manpower or expertise.

Given the deadlines, and the fact that even the very best logistics experts know you must respect the one most unforgiving resource, time, the lawyers need to start convincing some judges (Justices, preferably) that this is an accounting/audit problem; red flags mean we get to take an in-depth look at the books, it serves the public’s interest, and it can be done within the necessary deadlines. Most helpful would be securing the support of the Republican leaders in charge of the affected State Legislatures (GA, MI, PA, and WI) as amici for their petition.

The best time for this, mounting up the resources for the audits and filing the necessary suits, was last week. The next best time is *now*, and the very moment Alito, Kavanaugh and Thomas are able to receive petitions in their chambers.

Again, maybe there’s a better plan that we’re not privy to and I’m wrong, and we’re not seeing failure theater.

But bitter experience and Occam’s Razor suggests otherwise.

I just hope I’m wrong.

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  1. Flicker Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    I recommend that you view this video by Trump’s legal team.  They seem pretty confident that they have the evidence to overturn the election.

     

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  2. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    How can you be sure of something you can’t prove? Especially something so outlandish and convoluted as a scheme to steal a federal election across three or more States in full view of everyone? This is some serious “Jews pulled off 9/11” or “the CIA made HIV in a lab” level of conspiratorial BS.

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    I sort of enjoy reading up on how nuts some factions of the conservative movement have become.  

    When I was a conservative activist in college, I ran into the John Birch Society types.  They were all in on their conspiracy theories.  They could be really intelligent and just plain nuts at the same time.  Amazing.  I see the same thing here on Ricochet.

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  3. Miffed White Male Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    I recommend that you view this video by Trump’s legal team. They seem pretty confident that they have the evidence to overturn the election.

    Spoiler alert:  They don’t.

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  4. Manny Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    How can you be sure of something you can’t prove? Especially something so outlandish and convoluted as a scheme to steal a federal election across three or more States in full view of everyone? This is some serious “Jews pulled off 9/11” or “the CIA made HIV in a lab” level of conspiratorial BS.

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    I sort of enjoy reading up on how nuts some factions of the conservative movement have become.

    When I was a conservative activist in college, I ran into the John Birch Society types. They were all in on their conspiracy theories. They could be really intelligent and just plain nuts at the same time. Amazing. I see the same thing here on Ricochet.

    The John Birch society amounted to a fraction of a fraction of a percent, about the same as the NeverTrumpers actually.  Trump received 74 million votes, the second highest in history.  It seems to me YOU are the flake outlyer.  You then must be a mascochist if you come around here.  If this is what you think about the majority of people on Ricochet, and still you come around, then you’re demented.  Seek psychological help, and take Gary with you.

    Actually what an insult, to associate us with the John Birch society.  Buzz off.

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    How can you be sure of something you can’t prove? Especially something so outlandish and convoluted as a scheme to steal a federal election across three or more States in full view of everyone? This is some serious “Jews pulled off 9/11” or “the CIA made HIV in a lab” level of conspiratorial BS.

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    HeavyWater has just as much of a right to be part of Ricochet as you.  This reminds me of when liberals tried their “Hush Rush” campaign.  The remedy for speech you don’t like is more speech, not suppression of the speech you don’t like.  

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump is overweight. He doesn’t exercise. Soon he will be a dead failure, loser, criminal broke Deadbeat.

    This is the sort of comment that is behind my saying that NeverTrumpers just pose at moral superiority. Supposedly Trump with his tweets and boorish behavior lowered the dignity of our politics. I never heard Trump look forward to the death of someone. But the NTers let the mask slip occasionally.

    Notonly that it shows how deranged they are. They really need to get a life.

    That comment went too far.  I was doing well, building the brick of Trump as a Failure, as a Loser, as a Criminal and as a Deadbeat.  But invoking his death was a step too far.  I apologize.

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  7. Manny Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    How can you be sure of something you can’t prove? Especially something so outlandish and convoluted as a scheme to steal a federal election across three or more States in full view of everyone? This is some serious “Jews pulled off 9/11” or “the CIA made HIV in a lab” level of conspiratorial BS.

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    HeavyWater has just as much of a right to be part of Ricochet as you. This reminds me of when liberals tried their “Hush Rush” campaign. The remedy for speech you don’t like is more speech, not suppression of the speech you don’t like.

    How did I silence him?  Asking someone to depart is not silencing.  Stop playing the victum game.  You’re just as much a smug jerk.

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    I recommend that you view this video by Trump’s legal team. They seem pretty confident that they have the evidence to overturn the election.

     

    The recording is over two and half hours long.  Do you have a briefer version of it?  Trump has intimated that he doesn’t expect to win, but I wants revenge on everyone who questions his 2016 victory. https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html  Hey, I have always accepted that Trump was duly elected in 2016.  Is it too much for him to admit that Biden is the duly elected President from the 2020 election?

    Given that a quarter million Americans have not died and the rate of death is the highest in six months, would it be possible for him to authorize his Administration to work with the incoming Biden Administration?

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  9. Gary Robbins Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    How can you be sure of something you can’t prove? Especially something so outlandish and convoluted as a scheme to steal a federal election across three or more States in full view of everyone? This is some serious “Jews pulled off 9/11” or “the CIA made HIV in a lab” level of conspiratorial BS.

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    I sort of enjoy reading up on how nuts some factions of the conservative movement have become.

    When I was a conservative activist in college, I ran into the John Birch Society types. They were all in on their conspiracy theories. They could be really intelligent and just plain nuts at the same time. Amazing. I see the same thing here on Ricochet.

    The Birchers had a unified field theory that explained everything, until you realized that you had to buy into the who doggone thing.  

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    I recommend that you view this video by Trump’s legal team. They seem pretty confident that they have the evidence to overturn the election.

    Spoiler alert: They don’t.

    Thank you for saving me the time.

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  11. HeavyWater Inactive
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    If the conservative movement is going to be effective at advancing its causes in the future, rooting out the crazies and the conspiracy theorists will be helpful.  

    So, I think it is worthwhile for conservatives to put their beliefs under scrutiny and see if they hold up.  Imagine how differently the world would appear if one concluded that Rudy Giuliani didn’t really believe much of what he is saying at the press conferences.  What if Rudy was just trying to keep his friend, Donald Trump, happy while making a ton of money in legal fees?  What if Rudy was being paid thousands of dollars per day to say what he is saying?  

    This would be disappointing because most of us really looked up to Rudy Giuliani, when he was mayor of NYC, for multiple reasons.  But if he turns out to be a lying politician, he would not be the first.  Not by a long shot.

    So, then we could stop repeating the conspiracy theories fed to us by Rudy and others and start working on the Georgia US Senate races.  Who knows?  By not repeating conspiracy theories about how the election system is all rigged, we might persuade people to actually get out and vote, given that the outcome is not controlled by malevolent and powerful forces.  

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    How can you be sure of something you can’t prove? Especially something so outlandish and convoluted as a scheme to steal a federal election across three or more States in full view of everyone? This is some serious “Jews pulled off 9/11” or “the CIA made HIV in a lab” level of conspiratorial BS.

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    I sort of enjoy reading up on how nuts some factions of the conservative movement have become.

    When I was a conservative activist in college, I ran into the John Birch Society types. They were all in on their conspiracy theories. They could be really intelligent and just plain nuts at the same time. Amazing. I see the same thing here on Ricochet.

    The John Birch society amounted to a fraction of a fraction of a percent, about the same as the NeverTrumpers actually. Trump received 74 million votes, the second highest in history. It seems to me YOU are the flake outlyer. You then must be a mascochist if you come around here. If this is what you think about the majority of people on Ricochet, and still you come around, then you’re demented. Seek psychological help, and take Gary with you.

    Actually what an insult, to associate us with the John Birch society. Buzz off.

    Actually no.  On the general average, Republicans hold some 95% of their voters and Democrats hold some 85% of their voters.  (There are more Democrats than Republicans.)  In Arizona, McCain and Romney won by 9% in 2008 and 2012.  Trump won by 3% in 2016.  The Bannon Line (named after Steve Bannon who had the realization) was that if the percentage of Republicans who voted for Trump could be reduced by only a very few percentage points, Trump would lose.  The Lincoln Project (TLP) and Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT) did not seek to increase Democrat turnout.  They sought to flip Republican and Independent votes.  The is was devastating.  Every time I wore a “Republicans for Biden” or “Republican Voters Against Trump” t-shirt 0ver two months, that created a permission structure for disaffected Republicans and Independents to not vote for Trump.  Every time I gave away over 125 t-shirts, I spread that permission structure far and wide.  

    You point out that Trump received some 74 million votes.  What you neglect to acknowledge is that Biden received some 80 million votes.  

    “We few, we lucky few, we band of brothers,” brought down Trump, and in my view, saved the Republic and the Republican Party.

    Trump can never win the Presidency with a committed NeverTrump minority.  I will speak for myself and not other NeverTrump Republicans, I support Trump on Judges, Taxes and Regulations, and have strong reservations about foreign affairs and trade.  That being said, I can live with many of the Trump positions.  What I cannot abide is Trump himself or his children.  If you keep Trump and his children off of the 2024 ticket, you will likely have my support.  If you put Trump or one of his children on the ticket, I will exercise my veto and will work as hard as I can to defeat Trump, again.  

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    How can you be sure of something you can’t prove? Especially something so outlandish and convoluted as a scheme to steal a federal election across three or more States in full view of everyone? This is some serious “Jews pulled off 9/11” or “the CIA made HIV in a lab” level of conspiratorial BS.

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    HeavyWater has just as much of a right to be part of Ricochet as you. This reminds me of when liberals tried their “Hush Rush” campaign. The remedy for speech you don’t like is more speech, not suppression of the speech you don’t like.

    How did I silence him? Asking someone to depart is not silencing. Stop playing the victum game. You’re just as much a smug jerk.

    You suggested, “why don’t you leave?”  You are trying to silence him on the Ricochet platform.  But he has a right to be here, as do I.

    • #283
  14. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    I recommend that you view this video by Trump’s legal team. They seem pretty confident that they have the evidence to overturn the election.

     

    The recording is over two and half hours long. Do you have a briefer version of it? Trump has intimated that he doesn’t expect to win, but I wants revenge on everyone who questions his 2016 victory. https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html Hey, I have always accepted that Trump was duly elected in 2016. Is it too much for him to admit that Biden is the duly elected President from the 2020 election?

    Given that a quarter million Americans have not died and the rate of death is the highest in six months, would it be possible for him to authorize his Administration to work with the incoming Biden Administration?

    You can slide forward to about 58 minutes when it starts.  I usually skip through long videos looking for salient points.  This grabbed our attention and we watched it for about an hour and a half.

    • #284
  15. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

     

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    I sort of enjoy reading up on how nuts some factions of the conservative movement have become.

    When I was a conservative activist in college, I ran into the John Birch Society types. They were all in on their conspiracy theories. They could be really intelligent and just plain nuts at the same time. Amazing. I see the same thing here on Ricochet.

     

    Actually what an insult, to associate us with the John Birch society. Buzz off.

    Actually no. On the general average, Republicans hold some 95% of their voters and Democrats hold some 85% of their voters. (There are more Democrats than Republicans.) In Arizona, McCain and Romney won by 9% in 2008 and 2012. Trump won by 3% in 2016. The Bannon Line (named after Steve Bannon who had the realization) was that if the percentage of Republicans who voted for Trump could be reduced by only a very few percentage points, Trump would lose. The Lincoln Project (TLP) and Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT) did not seek to increase Democrat turnout. They sought to flip Republican and Independent votes. The is was devastating. Every time I wore a “Republicans for Biden” or “Republican Voters Against Trump” t-shirt 0ver two months, that created a permission structure for disaffected Republicans and Independents to not vote for Trump. Every time I gave away over 125 t-shirts, I spread that permission structure far and wide.

    You point out that Trump received some 74 million votes. What you neglect to acknowledge is that Biden received some 80 million votes.

    “We few, we lucky few, we band of brothers,” brought down Trump, and in my view, saved the Republic and the Republican Party.

    Trump can never win the Presidency with a committed NeverTrump minority. I will speak for myself and not other NeverTrump Republicans, I support Trump on Judges, Taxes and Regulations, and have strong reservations about foreign affairs and trade. That being said, I can live with many of the Trump positions. What I cannot abide is Trump himself or his children. If you keep Trump and his children off of the 2024 ticket, you will likely have my support. If you put Trump or one of his children on the ticket, I will exercise my veto and will work as hard as I can to defeat Trump, again.

    I speak only for myself. Nevers can go fornicate themselves, and that means the rest of us have to find support elsewhere. It’s a noble effort. 

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  16. Manny Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump can never win the Presidency with a committed NeverTrump minority.

    That is such a crock.  He lost by a hair, if he lost at all, and then it was the Covid virus that shifted the entire election in 2020.  You fail to realize he won in 2016.  He brought voters into the Republican Party, not the other way around. Face the facts, the Republican Party is not what you think it is and frankly hasn’t been what you think it is for at least a decade.  You’re living in the nether world.

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  17. Manny Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Look, I’m pretty sure we were cheated out of this election in two or three states. But it’s impossible to prove. Conservatives will have to face that reality.

    How can you be sure of something you can’t prove? Especially something so outlandish and convoluted as a scheme to steal a federal election across three or more States in full view of everyone? This is some serious “Jews pulled off 9/11” or “the CIA made HIV in a lab” level of conspiratorial BS.

    Unfortunately, the incentives that exist within the conservative movement right now are to accept wild conspiracy theories.

    If you’re so smug, why don’t you leave? Do you think your smug comments will change anything? It just strengthens my resolve to fight you elitist jerks all the more.

    HeavyWater has just as much of a right to be part of Ricochet as you. This reminds me of when liberals tried their “Hush Rush” campaign. The remedy for speech you don’t like is more speech, not suppression of the speech you don’t like.

    How did I silence him? Asking someone to depart is not silencing. Stop playing the victum game. You’re just as much a smug jerk.

    You suggested, “why don’t you leave?” You are trying to silence him on the Ricochet platform. But he has a right to be here, as do I.

    I have no power to throw you out.  I have no power to throw him out.  I asked him to leave because he detests our opinions.  You detest our opinions.  Why the hell are you here other than to stir trouble?  Or be a masochist from our opinions of you?  Why are you such a masochist?

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  18. philo Member
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    Manny (View Comment): I asked him to leave…

    By now I am reasonably sure that that has been rolled into the ever expanding definition of “doxxing” and is now, thereby, unacceptable. You must stop it now.

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  19. Manny Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment): I asked him to leave…

    By now I am reasonably sure that that has been rolled into the ever expanding definition of “doxxing” and is now, thereby, unacceptable. You must stop it now.

    Ok. But they’re the ones that come here to stir trouble. He associated us here with the John Birch Society. That’s not doxxing?  They are just here to incite us. 

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  20. Miffed White Male Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment): I asked him to leave…

    By now I am reasonably sure that that has been rolled into the ever expanding definition of “doxxing” and is now, thereby, unacceptable. You must stop it now.

    Ok. But they’re the ones that come here to stir trouble. He associated us here with the John Birch Society. That’s not doxxing? They are just here to incite us.

    “Doxxing” doesn’t mean “insulting”.  It has to do with exposing private information to the public.

     

    The only way associating you with the JBS would be doxxing would be if you really were a member and didn’t want people to know,.

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  21. Manny Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment): I asked him to leave…

    By now I am reasonably sure that that has been rolled into the ever expanding definition of “doxxing” and is now, thereby, unacceptable. You must stop it now.

    Ok. But they’re the ones that come here to stir trouble. He associated us here with the John Birch Society. That’s not doxxing? They are just here to incite us.

    “Doxxing” doesn’t mean “insulting”. It has to do with exposing private information to the public.

     

    The only way associating you with the JBS would be doxxing would be if you really were a member and didn’t want people to know,.

    What private information did I expose?  I have no idea then what philo is taking about. 

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  22. philo Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment): I asked him to leave…

    By now I am reasonably sure that that has been rolled into the ever expanding definition of “doxxing” and is now, thereby, unacceptable. You must stop it now.

    Ok. But they’re the ones that come here to stir trouble. He associated us here with the John Birch Society. That’s not doxxing? They are just here to incite us.

    “Doxxing” doesn’t mean “insulting”. It has to do with exposing private information to the public.

     

    The only way associating you with the JBS would be doxxing would be if you really were a member and didn’t want people to know,.

    What private information did I expose? I have no idea then what philo is taking about.

    Just joking with you. Gary has a rather expansive and erroneously fluid definition that he uses to accuse others. Sorry for the confusion.

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  23. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Those fools in the GOPe who didn’t want Trump are now sending out requests for funds to win the Georgia senate races. Got three yesterday in the snail-mailbox.  ‘ff ’em. 

    One legislator said today that without Trump showing up to energize the base the races will likely be lost. Again, ‘eff ’em. They caused it; they own it. 

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  24. Manny Coolidge
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    @Manny

    philo (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment): I asked him to leave…

    By now I am reasonably sure that that has been rolled into the ever expanding definition of “doxxing” and is now, thereby, unacceptable. You must stop it now.

    Ok. But they’re the ones that come here to stir trouble. He associated us here with the John Birch Society. That’s not doxxing? They are just here to incite us.

    “Doxxing” doesn’t mean “insulting”. It has to do with exposing private information to the public.

     

    The only way associating you with the JBS would be doxxing would be if you really were a member and didn’t want people to know,.

    What private information did I expose? I have no idea then what philo is taking about.

    Just joking with you. Gary has a rather expansive and erroneously fluid definition that he uses to accuse others. Sorry for the confusion.

    No problem. 

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  25. HeavyWater Inactive
    HeavyWater
    @HeavyWater

    Django (View Comment):

    Those fools in the GOPe who didn’t want Trump are now sending out requests for funds to win the Georgia senate races. Got three yesterday in the snail-mailbox. ‘ff ’em.

    One legislator said today that without Trump showing up to energize the base the races will likely be lost. Again, ‘eff ’em. They caused it; they own it.

    I think if Trump were to just go away between now and January 5, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler would win fairly easily by arguing that they represent the only means to prevent Biden-Harris from court packing, higher taxes and so on.  

    But as long as Trump demands that no one acknowledge that Biden will become president on January 20, the GOP campaign is forced to campaign with one hand tied behind its back. 

    The results of Trump’s selfishness could be a Democrat Senate combined with a Pelosi led House and Biden-Harris White House.  

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  26. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Those fools in the GOPe who didn’t want Trump are now sending out requests for funds to win the Georgia senate races. Got three yesterday in the snail-mailbox. ‘ff ’em.

    One legislator said today that without Trump showing up to energize the base the races will likely be lost. Again, ‘eff ’em. They caused it; they own it.

    I think if Trump were to just go away between now and January 5, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler would win fairly easily by arguing that they represent the only means to prevent Biden-Harris from court packing, higher taxes and so on.

    But as long as Trump demands that no one acknowledge that Biden will become president on January 20, the GOP campaign is forced to campaign with one hand tied behind its back.

    The results of Trump’s selfishness could be a Democrat Senate combined with a Pelosi led House and Biden-Harris White House.

    Depends on how dispirited the base is, and I don’t know the answer to that question. 

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  27. HeavyWater Inactive
    HeavyWater
    @HeavyWater

    Django (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Those fools in the GOPe who didn’t want Trump are now sending out requests for funds to win the Georgia senate races. Got three yesterday in the snail-mailbox. ‘ff ’em.

    One legislator said today that without Trump showing up to energize the base the races will likely be lost. Again, ‘eff ’em. They caused it; they own it.

    I think if Trump were to just go away between now and January 5, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler would win fairly easily by arguing that they represent the only means to prevent Biden-Harris from court packing, higher taxes and so on.

    But as long as Trump demands that no one acknowledge that Biden will become president on January 20, the GOP campaign is forced to campaign with one hand tied behind its back.

    The results of Trump’s selfishness could be a Democrat Senate combined with a Pelosi led House and Biden-Harris White House.

    Depends on how dispirited the base is, and I don’t know the answer to that question.

    I do think that when Trump and others say, “the election was rigged,” that might convince conservative voters to avoid participating in them because they are a ruse.  That leaves the field open for the Left.

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  28. Weeping Inactive
    Weeping
    @Weeping

    Django (View Comment):

    Those fools in the GOPe who didn’t want Trump are now sending out requests for funds to win the Georgia senate races. Got three yesterday in the snail-mailbox. ‘ff ’em.

    One legislator said today that without Trump showing up to energize the base the races will likely be lost. Again, ‘eff ’em. They caused it; they own it.

    Unfortunately, we all have to pay for it. :(

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  29. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Weeping (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Those fools in the GOPe who didn’t want Trump are now sending out requests for funds to win the Georgia senate races. Got three yesterday in the snail-mailbox. ‘ff ’em.

    One legislator said today that without Trump showing up to energize the base the races will likely be lost. Again, ‘eff ’em. They caused it; they own it.

    Unfortunately, we all have to pay for it. :(

    Some British historian, maybe Niall Ferguson,  said that empires do not fall over decades, but rather the conditions that precipitate the fall build up over decades. Then, the fall happens in a few years when some event triggers it. Once upon a time, long ago, I thought we might be different. Guess not. 

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