For Goodness Sake, Just Relax!

 
Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in his jail cell. So it’s okay that the cameras were broken, the guards were absent, and no one was monitoring this known suicide risk. What matters is that we forget about Epstein and all the people who used to hang out (sorry, Jeffrey) with him.
 
The Russians planted Hunter Biden’s laptop. So it okay’s that Twitter and Facebook and the Democrat press (aka mainstream media) censored the story and blocked people from hearing about it. It’s okay that they didn’t hear about the wealth of evidence and witnesses that tended to confirm that it really is Hunter’s laptop and it really is full of evidence that the Biden family made millions selling political influence. What matters is that we move on and forget about the millions the astoundingly unaccomplished Biden Jr. raked in from foreign governments while Biden Sr. was in the White House.
 
There’s no such thing as voter fraud. So it’s okay that thousands of votes were accidentally switched from Trump to Biden by widely used voting machines, that hundreds of thousands of unrequested ballots were mailed to the wrong addresses, that dead people voted, that big city ballot-counting operations were blatantly partisan and irregular, that the laws were rewritten on the fly by unauthorized officials, and that purported turnout in critical districts was historically and unbelievably high. What matters is that we accept the assessment of the mainstream media (yes, the one that censored the Hunter Biden story) and concede defeat without looking more closely or exhausting our legal options. (You know, like Gore would have done in 2000, if he hadn’t done the opposite and fought the result for 37 days.)
 
Relax. The party of the 0.1%, with the technical assistance of the biggest companies in the world and the almost complete support of the mainstream media, has probably maybe won without even needing whatever cheating occurred. They certainly spent enough of the 0.1%’s money doing it. So if you’re one of the 70 million or so who voted wrong, the party of the 0.1% has an answer: “Shut up. Of course, your vote counted. We know: we counted it.”
 
Relax.
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  1. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    To paraphrase some old dead white guy: “Mr. Biden, you have your Presidency, if you can keep it.”

    Assuming he’s actually elected on December 14th (which I admit seems more likely than not), he’ll have his work cut out for him to avoid becoming either a figurehead or a cadaver.

    I was thinking of Ms. Harris’ history of romantic entanglement today, and imagined something like it an element in a political thriller in which the VP… entices… some staffer to assassinate the President for her.

    Not that that would ever happen, and I certainly hope it doesn’t.

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  2. Chris Oler Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I was thinking of Ms. Harris’ history of romantic entanglement today, and imagined something like it an element in a political thriller in which the VP… entices… some staffer to assassinate the President for her.

    Not that that would ever happen, and I certainly hope it doesn’t.

    Danielle Steel or David Baldacci, not sure which one would write this one.

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  3. Flicker Coolidge
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    bizarre and ridiculous stories like the one I can only presume is being advanced by Alex Jones sycophants specifically that every single legal paper ballot had a watermark –

    FWIW several years ago I was reading about counterfeiting and I read that every copying device is made to print out a nearly microscopic unique number identifying the specific copier or printer.  I find this hard to believe since paper is so rough I doubt most printers could print that finely.  But it came from a seemingly legitimate source (which I don’t remember now) and it certainly did stop me from considering counterfeiting any more documents.

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  4. Mim526 Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    noted the high degree of ticket splitting in that in Maricopa County (which has 60% of the state’s population), the voters voted for Biden, and a Republican County Attorney and County Recorder.

    There are alot of license plates in Phoenix and surrounding areas from people fleeing West Coast areas these days.  I’d put the Biden/Kelly vote down to that and the ghost of McCain as much as anything.  The other elected officials are easily accounted for by straight Republican ticket mentality:  generally speaking, my observation is that few people know much about their local government candidates.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    As for most of what you said, if it is true, then it needs to be alleged in a lawsuit and presented to the Courts. So far, most of these allegations have not been proven, if not debunked.

    The Trump administration has some excellent attorneys working on the legal claims, and has begun filing them.  I was encouraged as an American by their argument described in a piece recently posted by @jdfitzpatrick.

    You have to get out of the traditional media outlets to have any hope of balanced information: NYT, Washington Post, WSJ news, HuffPost, ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC/Fox News are unreliable and very narrowly focused.  Quality of information also varies among those non-mainstream news sources, but there are some journalists doing good work without the large media outlet budgets.

    My background is in accounting/financial operations, mostly federal with emphasis on audit.  From that standpoint, I have been going back through information I followed from election day forward and am alarmed at the indication of probable large scale fraud in battleground states, particularly some heavily blue large cities.  Hopefully I can pull some of it together for a post before long.

    Good post, @henryracette.  I don’t care for being managed, but darned if they aren’t trying real hard.  Too hard.

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  5. Jules PA Inactive
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Starting to make the rounds on Twitter:

    Been doing that. For a long time. Even if it doesn’t change the election, such an action will change life for the better.

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  6. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Henry, you said,

    There’s no such thing as voter fraud. So it’s okay that thousands of votes were accidentally switched from Trump to Biden by widely used voting machines, that hundreds of thousands of unrequested ballots were mailed to the wrong addresses, that dead people voted, that big city ballot-counting operations were blatantly partisan and irregular, that the laws were rewritten on the fly by unauthorized officials, and that purported turnout in critical districts was historically and unbelievably high.

    I respectfully disagree.

    As for most of what you said, if it is true, then it needs to be alleged in a lawsuit and presented to the Courts. So far, most of these allegations have not been proven, if not debunked. I don’t know about other states, but I do know that in Arizona, the Republican Attorney General opined that in Arizona there was a fair election and a fair count. He noted the high degree of ticket splitting in that in Maricopa County (which has 60% of the state’s population), the voters voted for Biden, and a Republican County Attorney and County Recorder. He also noted that despite Biden winning, the Arizona Legislature has remained Republican.

    The vote nationally was the highest in 100 years. I’ve been around for 68 years, and have been politically aware from the Viet Nam War, through Watergate, Reagan, Hope & Change and all the rest. I have never seen such a polarized electorate or people who were willing to crawl over broken glass to vote for or against Trump. Historically, 2020 will go down as one of the most hotly contested elections in history, along with 1800, 1860, 1876, and 1900. I, for one, have never been more involved in any election.

    Does that mean you voted more than once?

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  7. Ida Claire Member
    Ida Claire
    @IdaClaire

    Just saw this over on Instapundit:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/medias-hiding-of-hunter-biden-scandal-robbed-trump-of-clear-win-poll

    4.6% ofDems would not have voted for Biden if they had learned of the Biden’s influence peddling. That is more than enough to have swung the election (of course, the Dominion machine could likely have absorbed this as well).

     

     

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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    I’m in the minority, I guess. I’m not as concerned about fraudulent votes as I am that over 70+M people were willing to vote for a senile old pervert and a woman who got her start in CA politics as Willie Brown’s side meat. Trump, for all his flaws, was the best president of my lifetime and yet he lost. What does that say about those voters who opposed him?

    Well, a majority (supposedly) reelected the worst president of my lifetime in 2012, so we shouldn’t be surprised. 

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  9. Django Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    I’m in the minority, I guess. I’m not as concerned about fraudulent votes as I am that over 70+M people were willing to vote for a senile old pervert and a woman who got her start in CA politics as Willie Brown’s side meat. Trump, for all his flaws, was the best president of my lifetime and yet he lost. What does that say about those voters who opposed him?

    Well, a majority (supposedly) reelected the worst president of my lifetime in 2012, so we shouldn’t be surprised.

    I always thought Jimmy should have thanked Obama for relieving him of that title. 

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  10. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I note that Karl Rove in the Wall Street Journal opined that the election results won’t be overturned. https://www.wsj.com/articles/this-election-result-wont-be-overturned-11605134335

    Rich Lowry despite his support for Trump has acknowledged the same and has denounced the unprecedented suggestion that State Legislatures ignore the votes in their states and appoint their own electors and said that it was completely insane. https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/the-completely-insane-electoral-college-strategy/

    I tend to agree that it will not be overturned.  This has been planned for years and the Democrats have lots of experience with vote fraud.  Why do you think they fight voter ID so furiously ?  A Philadelphia judge has just been sentenced to prison for vote fraud and he is just the one who was caught.  They are blatant about it.  The Sheriff of a county refused to enforce the law about election watchers.  The Republican watchers were driven out by some sort of Democrat officers.

    What will result is distrust in the US elections from now on.  Fools who dream they can resurrect a Republican Party that suits them are deluded.  I don’t know how this will play out, other than the Kurt Schlicter novels.  Hopefully, I won’t have to live through it.

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  11. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Sweezle (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Sweezle (View Comment):

    I’m already missing Trump. I liked so many things about his policies and I guess 72 million voters agreed with me.

    It appears that perhaps as many as 80 million voters disagreed with you.

    Oh good grief. Was your post necessary? No, didn’t think so either.

    But was your pointing out 72 million people voted necessary also?

    I would have said nothing if you had just said that you are missing Trump and that you liked so many of his policies.

    We know they voted.  Your 80 million were just ballots.  How many represent real living voters ?

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  12. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Ida Claire (View Comment):

    Just saw this over on Instapundit:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/medias-hiding-of-hunter-biden-scandal-robbed-trump-of-clear-win-poll

    4.6% ofDems would not have voted for Biden if they had learned of the Biden’s influence peddling. That is more than enough to have swung the election (of course, the Dominion machine could likely have absorbed this as well).

     

     

    There was a story about the number of early voters who wanted to change their vote.

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  13. Django Member
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    @Django

    I was about to enjoy  breakfast listening to the latest news and weather report. What I got from the station was nonsense about the “security risk presented by Trump”. They brought in a exspurt — “ex” being a has-been, and a “spurt” is just a drip under pressure — to tell the Biden-supporters that Trump fits perfectly the profile of a security risk. I won’t be surprised all that much if there is a proposal to lock him up as a preventative measure, and that is said only partly in jest. Half of the country is sick. 

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  14. Chris Oler Coolidge
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    623k votes in PA were processed without verification.

    Trump was winning Kenosha County, WI with more than 60 percent of the vote before the ballot dumps.

    Trump has won NC.

    They have already found irregualrities due to software glitches in GA. 

    MI elected officials are pushing for an audit of the vote.

    Heck, there are even rumored problems with the vote in Massuchusetts, nevermind what we might find out west.

    Maybe this election won’t be turned, but there are a lot of question marks. We need answers.

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  15. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Chris Oler (View Comment):

    623k votes in PA were processed without verification.

    Trump was winning Kenosha County, WI with more than 60 percent of the vote before the ballot dumps.

    Trump has won NC.

    They have already found irregualrities due to software glitches in GA.

    MI elected officials are pushing for an audit of the vote.

    Heck, there are even rumored problems with the vote in Massuchusetts, nevermind what we might find out west.

    Maybe this election won’t be turned, but there are a lot of question marks. We need answers.

    Watch for the Soros Secretaries of State.  They are in those “swing states” and are swinging like crazy,

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  16. philo Member
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Chris Oler (View Comment):

    623k votes in PA were processed without verification.

    Trump was winning Kenosha County, WI with more than 60 percent of the vote before the ballot dumps.

    Trump has won NC.

    They have already found irregualrities due to software glitches in GA.

    MI elected officials are pushing for an audit of the vote.

    Heck, there are even rumored problems with the vote in Massuchusetts, nevermind what we might find out west.

    Maybe this election won’t be turned, but there are a lot of question marks. We need answers.

    Watch for the Soros Secretaries of State. They are in those “swing states” and are swinging like crazy,

    Given the supremacy of the state legislatures in this matter I am wondering what the play is here…my guess is to delay official certification until December 12th so there is not time left to rectify the theft.

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  17. Western Chauvinist Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Chris Oler (View Comment):

    623k votes in PA were processed without verification.

    Trump was winning Kenosha County, WI with more than 60 percent of the vote before the ballot dumps.

    Trump has won NC.

    They have already found irregualrities due to software glitches in GA.

    MI elected officials are pushing for an audit of the vote.

    Heck, there are even rumored problems with the vote in Massuchusetts, nevermind what we might find out west.

    Maybe this election won’t be turned, but there are a lot of question marks. We need answers.

    Watch for the Soros Secretaries of State. They are in those “swing states” and are swinging like crazy,

    Given the supremacy of the state legislatures in this matter I am wondering what the play is here…my guess is to delay official certification until December 12th so there is not time left to rectify the theft.

    That’s what I’m thinking too.

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  18. CRD Member
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    Chris Oler (View Comment):

    Maybe this election won’t be turned, but there are a lot of question marks. We need answers.

    I’m still praying for President Trump to prevail. It’s a little frustrating for me to see our side be so negative. Judges will try to do the right thing, but they are human. They know their decision will make half of the country angry. The other side has made it clear that they won’t lose gracefully. I’m not advocating for us to be lawless like them, but can we at least not say out loud that we’re good with losing? Let’s not make it easy for them to rule against us! In other words, let me stay in my fantasy world a little longer, until the cases have been decided. Thank you! 

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  19. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Chris Oler (View Comment):

    623k votes in PA were processed without verification.

    Trump was winning Kenosha County, WI with more than 60 percent of the vote before the ballot dumps.

    Trump has won NC.

    They have already found irregualrities due to software glitches in GA.

    MI elected officials are pushing for an audit of the vote.

    Heck, there are even rumored problems with the vote in Massuchusetts, nevermind what we might find out west.

    Maybe this election won’t be turned, but there are a lot of question marks. We need answers.

    Watch for the Soros Secretaries of State. They are in those “swing states” and are swinging like crazy,

    Given the supremacy of the state legislatures in this matter I am wondering what the play is here…my guess is to delay official certification until December 12th so there is not time left to rectify the theft.

    That’s what I’m thinking too.

    State legislatures are not likely to have the backbone to appoint Trump electors for the rioting and chaos that may ensue if they did.

    The only thing that could change that would be if the DoJ, the DNI, Treasury, State, and DoD cabinet heads all uniformly showed evidence that hundreds of thousands of votes were switched on Nov. 3 and 4th to give Biden a lead in those states where Trump was overwhelmingly ahead.

    And if they present that this was done in conjunction with foreign actors – thus a grave national security issue to alter the outcome of an American election this would bust through and overtake the current news cycle. To do this might entail a multi-hour presentation and news conference.

    There is a report that Special Forces (without CIA involvement) seized servers in Frankfurt, Germany that can show the vote transfers but no official in the administration has gone on record to confirm or deny the story. Rep. Congressman Louis Gohmert broke this news yesterday but he didn’t name his sources either. Scytl, the firm in question is denying the story of the seizure. If the servers show up in America or secure facility at an American base in Germany and cabinet heads schedule a news conference, then we’re in whole new territory.

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  20. Brian Watt Inactive
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    @BrianWatt

    The text of this Executive Order is quite interesting and may be proven to be prescient:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

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  21. Miffed White Male Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    On a related note to my lengthy comment #6 – Speaking of watermarks –

    Take a really close look at the lines that make up the boxes on the visa/stamp pages of a US passport.  They’re not lines, they’re microprinting.

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  22. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Kim Strassel has a nice summary of the fraud.  I’m a little surprised the WSJ which is pro-China, allowed it.  Maybe she is the equivalent of Tucker Carlson there.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvesting-the-2020-election-11605221974?mod=djemalertNEWS&fbclid=IwAR1XIyG5T7n7xlhRAK7dmR7vpHNItwlkSLCD7wgbVn_NV1kYiiTIB-MisEw

    This seems to be outside the paywall. I cancelled the WSJ after 35 years last summer.

    The Trump campaign is pressing its case that last week’s ballot counting was off, and it will get its day in court. But if Republicans want a fuller accounting of the shenanigans, they’ll need to look much further back than Election Day. They’ll need to internalize Nancy Pelosi’s H.R. 1, and then do battle.

    House Resolution 1 is the designation for the first bill unveiled in any new Congress. It’s designed to highlight the majority party’s top priority. In early 2017, the Republican-led House gave the title to Donald Trump’s tax reform. When Mrs. Pelosi retook the speaker’s gavel in 2019, her party had just campaigned on a slew of urgent Democratic priorities: health care, climate change, immigration, student debt. None of these rose to the honor of H.R. 1.

    Instead, Mrs. Pelosi unveiled a 600-plus page bill devoted to “election reform.” Some of the legislation was aimed at weaponizing campaign-finance law, giving Democrats more power to control political speech and to intimidate opponents. But the bill was equally focused on empowering the federal government to dictate how states conduct elections—with new rules designed to water down ballot integrity and to corral huge new tranches of Democratic voters.

    I pointed out that HR 1 was the game plan even if it was ignored by the Senate.  It was sued into effect.

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  23. Western Chauvinist Member
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Kim Strassel has a nice summary of the fraud. I’m a little surprised the WSJ which is pro-China, allowed it. Maybe she is the equivalent of Tucker Carlson there.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvesting-the-2020-election-11605221974?mod=djemalertNEWS&fbclid=IwAR1XIyG5T7n7xlhRAK7dmR7vpHNItwlkSLCD7wgbVn_NV1kYiiTIB-MisEw

    This seems to be outside the paywall. I cancelled the WSJ after 35 years last summer.

    The Trump campaign is pressing its case that last week’s ballot counting was off, and it will get its day in court. But if Republicans want a fuller accounting of the shenanigans, they’ll need to look much further back than Election Day. They’ll need to internalize Nancy Pelosi’s H.R. 1, and then do battle.

    House Resolution 1 is the designation for the first bill unveiled in any new Congress. It’s designed to highlight the majority party’s top priority. In early 2017, the Republican-led House gave the title to Donald Trump’s tax reform. When Mrs. Pelosi retook the speaker’s gavel in 2019, her party had just campaigned on a slew of urgent Democratic priorities: health care, climate change, immigration, student debt. None of these rose to the honor of H.R. 1.

    Instead, Mrs. Pelosi unveiled a 600-plus page bill devoted to “election reform.” Some of the legislation was aimed at weaponizing campaign-finance law, giving Democrats more power to control political speech and to intimidate opponents. But the bill was equally focused on empowering the federal government to dictate how states conduct elections—with new rules designed to water down ballot integrity and to corral huge new tranches of Democratic voters.

    I pointed out that HR 1 was the game plan even if it was ignored by the Senate. It was sued into effect.

    Kim Strassel is one of the few remaining journalists in the country. 

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Legendary Republican Election Attorney Ben Ginsberg was interviewed in the Friday, November 13, 2020 Dispatch Podcast.  He said that systemic voter fraud in the Republican Party Lock Ness Monster, often sought after, but not found, with the notable exception of the Republican voter fraud in NC-9 in 2018.  https://ricochet.com/podcast/dispatch-podcast/all-the-presidents-conspiracies/

    • #54
  25. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    From Time Magazine:

    “In the most direct refutation yet of President Donald Trump’s baseless allegations of widespread voter fraud, his own government declared on Thursday that ‘the November 3rd election was the most secure in American history.’

    “The joint statement by a group of federal, state and industry election officials was released Thursday evening by the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, which is part of the Department of Homeland Security.

    “‘There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,’ the officials noted in a sentence that was highlighted in bold lettering for emphasis. It came just hours after Trump tweeted an all-caps claim that a voting company had deleted and switched votes that had been intended for him — a debunked conspiracy theory that has been making the rounds on right-wing media.

    “‘America, we have confidence in the security of your vote, you should, too,’ CISA Director Chris Krebs said in a Thursday night tweet.

    https://time.com/5912049/trumps-voter-fraud-claims-are-now-being-debunked-by-his-own-government/

    Chris Krebs is a member of the Trump Administration.  Expect him to be fired shortly for speaking truth to power.

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  26. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Mr. Ginsberg was mistaken in characterizing the President’s suggestion that people vote in person if their mail-in ballot was not received as encouraging voter fraud. That process is recommended by some jurisdictions as the appropriate remedy, and by others as a way to automatically void a mailed ballot. In the jurisdiction that was the subject of the President’s comment, the voter was assured that a mail-in ballot would have already been recorded and voting in person would not be allowed.

    Mr. Ginsberg was also mistaken when he wrote “Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots.” In fact, absentee ballots are requested by voters, sometimes with a stated reason required for their issuance. In contrast, more than 40 million people in ten states (per Reuters) were mailed unsolicited mail-in ballots this year.

    Perhaps Mr. Ginsberg meant that the counting process was the same, once the ballots were received. However, that’s beside the point, since we don’t know if the intended recipient actually filled out the ballot. We have no idea how many ballots went to defunct addresses, or were removed from the mailboxes of people who never expected to receive them.

    I am going to assume that Mr. Ginsberg knows little to nothing about electronic voting machines.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Mr. Ginsberg was mistaken in characterizing the President’s suggestion that people vote in person if their mail-in ballot was not received as encouraging voter fraud. That process is recommended by some jurisdictions as the appropriate remedy, and by others as a way to automatically void a mailed ballot. In the jurisdiction that was the subject of the President’s comment, the voter was assured that a mail-in ballot would have already been recorded and voting in person would not be allowed.

    Mr. Ginsberg was also mistaken when he wrote “Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots.” In fact, absentee ballots are requested by voters, sometimes with a stated reason required for their issuance. In contrast, more than 40 million people in ten states (per Reuters) were mailed unsolicited mail-in ballots this year.

    Perhaps Mr. Ginsberg meant that the counting process was the same, once the ballots were received. However, that’s beside the point, since we don’t know if the intended recipient actually filled out the ballot. We have no idea how many ballots went to defunct addresses, or were removed from the mailboxes of people who never expected to receive them.

    I am going to assume that Mr. Ginsberg knows little to nothing about electronic voting machines.

    Hank, Ben Ginsberg has been the leading Republican Election Lawyer in the nation, at least since the 2000 Florida recount.  He was a Partner at Jones Day.  Ben Ginsberg is the gold standard.  Did you listen to the Dispatch interview with him?  Gary

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  28. Django Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Mr. Ginsberg was mistaken in characterizing the President’s suggestion that people vote in person if their mail-in ballot was not received as encouraging voter fraud. That process is recommended by some jurisdictions as the appropriate remedy, and by others as a way to automatically void a mailed ballot. In the jurisdiction that was the subject of the President’s comment, the voter was assured that a mail-in ballot would have already been recorded and voting in person would not be allowed.

    Mr. Ginsberg was also mistaken when he wrote “Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots.” In fact, absentee ballots are requested by voters, sometimes with a stated reason required for their issuance. In contrast, more than 40 million people in ten states (per Reuters) were mailed unsolicited mail-in ballots this year.

    Perhaps Mr. Ginsberg meant that the counting process was the same, once the ballots were received. However, that’s beside the point, since we don’t know if the intended recipient actually filled out the ballot. We have no idea how many ballots went to defunct addresses, or were removed from the mailboxes of people who never expected to receive them.

    I am going to assume that Mr. Ginsberg knows little to nothing about electronic voting machines.

    We have declined to the point where it is necessary to re-state the obvious on a regular basis. Thank you for taking the responsibility this time. 

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  29. Henry Racette Member
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    @HenryRacette

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Mr. Ginsberg was mistaken in characterizing the President’s suggestion that people vote in person if their mail-in ballot was not received as encouraging voter fraud. That process is recommended by some jurisdictions as the appropriate remedy, and by others as a way to automatically void a mailed ballot. In the jurisdiction that was the subject of the President’s comment, the voter was assured that a mail-in ballot would have already been recorded and voting in person would not be allowed.

    Mr. Ginsberg was also mistaken when he wrote “Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots.” In fact, absentee ballots are requested by voters, sometimes with a stated reason required for their issuance. In contrast, more than 40 million people in ten states (per Reuters) were mailed unsolicited mail-in ballots this year.

    Perhaps Mr. Ginsberg meant that the counting process was the same, once the ballots were received. However, that’s beside the point, since we don’t know if the intended recipient actually filled out the ballot. We have no idea how many ballots went to defunct addresses, or were removed from the mailboxes of people who never expected to receive them.

    I am going to assume that Mr. Ginsberg knows little to nothing about electronic voting machines.

    Hank, Ben Ginsberg has been the leading Republican Election Lawyer in the nation, at least since the 2000 Florida recount. He was a Partner at Jones Day. Ben Ginsberg is the gold standard. Did you listen to the Dispatch interview with him? Gary

    Gary, you’re making an appeal to authority. I just explained to you exactly why his comments were mistaken. You may choose to argue against the points I made if you like, but I’m not going to waste my time responding to comments from you that are either logically incompetent or made in bad faith.

    Feel free to take issue with a point I raised, or not.

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  30. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Mr. Ginsberg was mistaken in characterizing the President’s suggestion that people vote in person if their mail-in ballot was not received as encouraging voter fraud. That process is recommended by some jurisdictions as the appropriate remedy, and by others as a way to automatically void a mailed ballot. In the jurisdiction that was the subject of the President’s comment, the voter was assured that a mail-in ballot would have already been recorded and voting in person would not be allowed.

    Mr. Ginsberg was also mistaken when he wrote “Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots.” In fact, absentee ballots are requested by voters, sometimes with a stated reason required for their issuance. In contrast, more than 40 million people in ten states (per Reuters) were mailed unsolicited mail-in ballots this year.

    Perhaps Mr. Ginsberg meant that the counting process was the same, once the ballots were received. However, that’s beside the point, since we don’t know if the intended recipient actually filled out the ballot. We have no idea how many ballots went to defunct addresses, or were removed from the mailboxes of people who never expected to receive them.

    I am going to assume that Mr. Ginsberg knows little to nothing about electronic voting machines.

    Hank, Ben Ginsberg has been the leading Republican Election Lawyer in the nation, at least since the 2000 Florida recount. He was a Partner at Jones Day. Ben Ginsberg is the gold standard. Did you listen to the Dispatch interview with him? Gary

    Gary, you’re making an appeal to authority. I just explained to you exactly why his comments were mistaken. You may choose to argue against the points I made if you like, but I’m not going to waste my time responding to comments from you that are either logically incompetent or made in bad faith.

    Feel free to take issue with a point I raised, or not.

    Good point.  I surrender.  I am physically and emotionally spent, and I choose to not try to rebut what you have said.  You win this part of the argument.  However, I would note that so far, many if not most of these lawsuits alleging systemic fraud have failed in the Courts.  I just cannot fight every battle.  Gary 

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