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I don’t think I can break it down any plainer than that.
My point is that Biden has won the state of Pennsylvania and people should quit living in fantasy land.
It’s as if people in this discussion forum have never been through an election cycle in which candidates they supported lost. I guess we are to think that when our candidates win, the election was conducted fairly and when our candidates lose, the election was stolen. Donald Trump is a Republican version of Stacey Abrams.
Youi seem to be sayiong there can be no accusation of vote fraud, because the court has not ruled there is vote fraud, and the court cannot rule on the accusation of vote fraud because it cannot be brought beforce the court because the court has yet not ruled the election was conducted improperly or conntrary to state law. Got it.
And you accuse others of living in a fantasy land. Sheesh,
It’s not clear that A is. You are accusing me of believing some unspecified “thing” without evidence. Care to provide a hint as to what that “thing” is?
HW and Valiuth:
I think that both of you have asserted that the Pennsylvania mail-in ballots that were received after the deadline set by the legislature — 8 pm on election day, I think — have not been counted.
I was unable to find any current information online about this. Do you have a source for this?
I genuinely don’t know whether those questionable votes have been counted or not, nor could I find a report of how many such votes there are.
Absent such information, it seems quite premature to conclude that the result is final.
I also don’t know how many votes remain to be counted, if any, in other important states — especially Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin.
Nevada does appear to have trended more strongly in Biden’s direction over the past couple of days.
Like I said. Asserted by observers who have submitted affidavits who were not permitted to observe the canvasing on scene at the distance the law allowed and now part of a lawsuit that’s been filed in Harrisburg. I realize if you’re in the Biden camp this can be most annoying. Look for more annoyances to come.
We can do this all day if you’d like.
I read that those ballots have been segregated from the ballots received by 8pm election day. But I do not have a link that I can provide to you.
As for the “result if final,” I think this election result is about as final as other election results have been a few days after an election. People started calling Trump President elect after the 2016 election despite gripes about “Russia.”
This is pure bunk. Republicans had plenty of observes in the counting rooms in PA. Before a district judge Trump’s lawyers confirmed that indeed a “nonezero number” of GOP observers were present. The burden of proof rests with you, and you have no evidence of shenanigans. Your whole argument is constructed of fabrications, conjectures, wild speculation, and motivated reasoning. I’d say it is pathetic, but it is worse than that. It is deliberate and malicious.
Like I said. The entire election results in Pennsylvania are going to be audited by the GOP-controlled legislature. The Supreme Court will also make a ruling on the constitutionality of the concocted unconstitutional Pennsylvania law. And there are other lawsuits that have been filed. To dismiss all of that out of hand is delusional but then you maybe more familiar with fantasy land than the rest of us. I personally haven’t been to Fantasy Land since Governor Newsom shut down Disneyland.
And on Saturday they did confirm that the segregation of ballots was occurring, Incidentally the order to segregate the ballots was given even before Alito gave his order by state election officials. Guess you weren’t interested enough to keep up with the news. Its okay it took me a whole 2 minutes to look this up on Google. But then again can you trust USA today or the various county officials giving this confirmation? Can any conspiracy theory be disproven to an adherent? I won’t hold my breath.
Hillary could have done similar. The recounts were adding votes to Trump. There was no there, there for her.
I don’t know that she filed a single suit, and that is odd if so many Democrats are sure the last one was stolen, esp with foreign influence.
Oh Some People. Well those guys are always right. Are they the same people “that say”?
The lack of proof is simply proof of the depth of the conspiracy. The weaker, flimsier, and less reliable the evidence the larger more widespread and pervasive the conspiracy. This is what we are seeing unfold on these threads. This is what Ricochet is helping to establish and create. A community of conspiracy minded wackos feeding and confirming each others delusions. Hey it must be true there are all these people on the internet who agree.
I think it’s more pathetic than malicious. I think that some people have allowed their extreme disappointment over the election results to override their ability to evaluate claims.
Segregated does not imply uncounted.
Moderator Note:
This kind of personal attack is over the line.True. But sort of irrelevant to the question of how likely it is that Trump could end up winning Pennsylvania’s 20 electoral votes.
Biden is ahead of Trump by about 45,000 votes without any votes from the late arriving ballots. Biden is ahead by 0.6 percent of the total vote, above the 0.5 percent recount threshhold.
So, Pennsylvania is a goner, which means that Trump is a goner.
The smart move for conservatives is to direct their attention to the 2 US Senate races in Georgia. Sure, one could pursue voter fraud charges in the Trump v Biden race while also engaging in Georgia senate races. But a careful appraisal of the facts in the presidential election, detached from too much emotional investment, would result in the conclusion that Trump lost and his fortunes will not be resurrected.
“…were counted outside of GOP observer review.” Not just in the same large warehouse. Reading can be hard.
So expressing that claims of voter fraud should be looked into based 50 sworn affidavits from GOP, Democrat and non-affiliated observers and that what may verified could alter the vote count in Trump’s favor is dismissed now as delusions by conspiracy minded wackos, really? Is that you’re rock-sold rebuttal? Profound.
This Chicago attorney who was on site in Pittsburgh must also be a conspiracy theorist. From JustTheNews:
HW and Valiuth:
I don’t think that you provided a link indicating what was going on in Pennsylvania in answer to my question, but Valiuth did post this:
The link is to a USA Today article. The article says, in pertinent part:
I have two comments about this.
First, the claim of the Pennsylvania AG that there is a lack of evidence of a county disobeying guidance to segregate the late-arrived votes is not the same thing as a denial of wrongdoing. I do not conclude that wrongdoing has occurred. But this is a sort of non-denial denial. At the moment, I hope that the late-arriving votes have been properly segregated.
Second, this story indicates that the late-arrived votes “were being segregated and tallied separately,” which suggests that they have been included in the reported Pennsylvania vote counts, but is not conclusive on this point.
Accordingly, I conclude that we don’t yet know whether the late-arrived votes are included in the Pennsylvania reported count. If they are, those votes may be invalidated by SCOTUS, and this might change the result in Pennsylvania.
In fairness I think there’s a third option: negligently uncurious. It’s a little from both columns yet not quite all one or the other.
In the run up and after math of the 2016 election, lots of people, including people on these pages, assured us that Trump was a Russian plant, elected by collusion, who was destined to pursue a leftist agenda while causing nuclear war. None of which was true. But I guess none of these members were a “community of conspiracy minded wackos” who were delusional because you agreed with there analysis?
In 2000 Bush v Gore went to the Courts over vote irregularities and vote counting. We allowed this process to play out over the course of over a month. These things do happen in real life not just delusions.
There are documented cases of poll watchers not being allowed to actually see what was happening, there was a documented “glitch” in the voting software that gave Trump votes to Biden. There are, as there always are in Democratic cities, credible reports of dead people voting. This stuff all happened.
These could all be isolated incidents that have no impact on the result, but it is not crazy to ask that these things be investigated, adjudicated and that the proper election laws be followed.
This lawsuit reminds me of the argument the law-abiding small businesses in the south were making against the influx of illegal immigrants. The law-abiding businesses had to compete on price against the law-breaking businesses who were taking advantage of the low cost of illegal immigrant labor. It wasn’t fair to the law-abiding businesses for the government to allow illegal immigration to continue.
This is a similar issue. It isn’t fair for the law-abiding candidates to have to compete against the law-breaking candidates.
I missed one. It is possible, though most of the decriers of Trump had no problem at the time sharing their views that he wasn’t spied on. I myself have to confess to some minor brain trauma when I watched James Clapper go on TV to differentiate between “spying” and “surreptitious surveillance.”
MWD,
Yes, the date would have to be uniform. The Court could definitely clear the way for Congress to do so. At this point, the remedy is secondary to the basic ruling that invalidates what took place. It must be crystal clear why this election could not be used and that this should never happen again. We can move forward only with a clear ruling, otherwise, democracy itself is in jeopardy.
Regards,
Jim
I have read that the vote totals showing Biden ahead of Trump by about 45,000 votes and about 0.6 percent of the total vote do not include any late arrival ballots. Now, what I read could be correct or it could be incorrect. In any case, I think by January 21, 2021 we will all see that Trump’s attorneys got paid but did not prevent Biden from obtaining the White House.
Folks, just a heads up on this thread and several others like it: We have a longstanding and very specific rule against posting conspiracy theories and misinformaton on this site, and some of what is being posted here is just that: unproven, unsubstantiated, and verifiably false rumors being presented as fact.
Yes, we are aware that some states are still counting votes from election night and that there are recounts and court cases pending. Talk about that all you want. But we will start redacting comments that we believe are presenting false information.
So, for clarification – If we post news stories about the testimony of litigants and witnesses who have signed sworn affidavits in lawsuits filed by the GOP or the Trump legal team, is that considered a conspiracy theory? If we post videos of Rudy Giuliani, Kayley McEnany, or Ronna McDaniel would that be considered advancing conspiracy theories?
We’ll look at each post or comment individually. Depends on the context in which they are posted.