Fighting the Good Fight

 

Like most of you, I move from rage at the outcome of this election, to enormous sadness to find our country where it has arrived. These major shifts of emotions are not only debilitating to my sanity (what there is left of it), but unhelpful to the country. I am so impressed with the strategies for investigating the fraud of the election processes that many people have developed, and the ways we can fight back against the election injustices. But we can’t allow ourselves to be buried in investigations and not find a way beyond the results of this election. We must deal with the hard truth. These are my next steps.

  1. Acknowledge my outrage at the corruption, fraud and lack of allegiance to the success of this country. I have never been so invested in an election, nor have I ever feared for our future as much as I do now. At the same time, I refuse to let myself be buried under the ugliness and duplicity that has occurred. I must find a way to balance the truth with new opportunities for moving forward. This effort will be so very difficult, but I know this is the only way I can find my way out of this morass.
  2. Encourage and support every investigation of the processes and outcomes of this election. No stone should be left unturned. We should look at every state we can, study data and procedures, including those that worked well (such as several in Florida) and those that were disasters. We must find a way to shine a light on all the deplorable actions that those in charge took, whether they turned their heads away from the corruption or encouraged it. People should be solicited to report every illegal action that they witnessed, providing evidence whenever possible. And findings should be placed in the hands of the courts.
  3. Identify every weakness in every system in every state. Prioritize them in the order of most exploitative and least impactful. Since every violation might not be able to be addressed, prioritizing will be important.
  4. Develop a plan to change the election process that addresses the findings of the investigation; identify which changes would be permissible under the Constitution for the Federal government to institute, and which changes must be left with the states. Build-in processes that will ensure the integrity of the system and minimize fraud. Determine the person or governmental body that is most likely to take the investigation seriously, in terms of publicizing the results and making changes to the system. Find new and creative ways to make sure that people know the results.
  5. Acknowledge that even if there is ample evidence that the election results were significantly fraudulent, the systems in place may very well prevent changes to be made. We can fight to the end for the truth to win out, for integrity to reign, but in the current environment, we may ultimately lose.

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So how do we as citizens, and the Republicans who are governing, move forward?

We must find a way to deal with reality. That acknowledgment does not mean that we cave in; it simply means that we stop wasting our energy on changing the facts on the ground. We demand that the Republicans only support legislation that is true to Republican principles, and fight the Left’s plans to undermine our country. If our legislators are not clear about the difference, they should be voted out of office.

And lastly, the most painful part, is that we must grieve:

We grieve that our fellow citizens were not astute enough to look beyond Trump’s personality and appreciate his accomplishments and his dedication to our future.

We grieve that we may spend the next several years fighting to preserve our free nation and the Constitution, instead of actualizing more of its potential.

We grieve that our systems are so corrupt that we couldn’t even manage an election process with all the technological tools at hand.

We grieve that the people who have worked so hard over the last five years to destroy Trump couldn’t even wait until all the votes were counted to reject him.

Or wait until justice was served.

We must do everything we can to take back our country.

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: We grieve that our systems are so corrupt that we couldn’t even manage an election process with all the technological tools at hand.

    Last night I said to a close Dem friend of mine that I thought we should pursue any perceived instances of miscounts, voter fraud, etc. while she was fully convinced that everything was done according to Hoyle and all the Republican talk of chicanery was ludicrous. I finally reached her by saying that it’s entirely possible there WAS nothing nefarious, but for the sake of public confidence in Biden’s legitimacy going forward, wouldn’t it be a good thing to let people know that nothing untoward occurred, not just for this election’s integrity but elections in the future.

    Well done, @goldwaterwoman. At least she could see a need to reassure the population. I see that as a positive gesture, but I would expect that from a friend of yours!

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  2. Biden Pure Demagogue Inactive
    Biden Pure Demagogue
    @Pseudodionysius

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  3. Valiuth Member
    Valiuth
    @Valiuth

    So I guess this is bargaining? Or are you still stuck in denial. Though I see plenty of anger too. I guess all the stages of grief have just collapsed into one infinitely dense conspiratorial ball. 

    I don’t know if you guys spent anytime reading people on liberal political sites back in 2016 but you all basically sound the same. Which is of course the thing that I have most realized in my time at Ricochet. Conservatives and Progressives obsess about the same things in the the same irrational and melodramatic ways with only a change in the vector of their preferred direction. Lose one election narrowly and its all “we are doomed, and they cheated, vote suppression, or fraudulent ballots, yada yada yada…”

    So some earnest hyperpartisan makes a post like this and then the Amen chorus comes in. Deus Vult’ and all swear oaths to go on the Crusade. 

    I don’t know when Ricochet just became another internet comment section, a more sophisticated 4chan and Reddit Subthread, maybe  it was always thus, but it is  kind of sad. The one thing I am certain of is that you’ll get those meddling  Demcorats the next time, and their little dog too. 

     

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  4. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    @MichaelKennedy

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I think that we did not give up the country. We held the Senate. We increased our margin in the House. The defeat was of a very flawed man, not conservative principles.

    From Newsmax:

    “Senator Mitt Romney said Republican gains in down-ballot races in last week’s election were an endorsement of conservative principles, while losing the White House was ‘a referendum on a person.’

    “‘The presidential race was more a referendum on a person, and when it comes to policy we did pretty well,’ Romney said. ‘I don’t think the American people want to sign up for the Green New Deal. I don’t think they want to sign up for getting rid of coal or oil or gas.’”

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/mittromney-conservative-principles-biden/2020/11/08/id/995986/

    Your gloating, as you pretend to be helpful, is annoying.  Go celebrate with some Chinese who will be running things.

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  5. Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Avenger Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Avenger
    @BryanGStephens

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: We grieve that our systems are so corrupt that we couldn’t even manage an election process with all the technological tools at hand.

    Last night I said to a close Dem friend of mine that I thought we should pursue any perceived instances of miscounts, voter fraud, etc. while she was fully convinced that everything was done according to Hoyle and all the Republican talk of chicanery was ludicrous. I finally reached her by saying that it’s entirely possible there WAS nothing nefarious, but for the sake of public confidence in Biden’s legitimacy going forward, wouldn’t it be a good thing to let people know that nothing untoward occurred, not just for this election’s integrity but elections in the future.

    Not for them. They know I their hearts the Dems cheat. They just want the win.

    Willful blindness is a powerful thing.

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  6. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    @MichaelKennedy

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So I guess this is bargaining? Or are you still stuck in denial. Though I see plenty of anger too. I guess all the stages of grief have just collapsed into one infinitely dense conspiratorial ball.

    I don’t know if you guys spent anytime reading people on liberal political sites back in 2016 but you all basically sound the same. Which is of course the thing that I have most realized in my time at Ricochet. Conservatives and Progressives obsess about the same things in the the same irrational and melodramatic ways with only a change in the vector of their preferred direction. Lose one election narrowly and its all “we are doomed, and they cheated, vote suppression, or fraudulent ballots, yada yada yada…”

    So some earnest hyperpartisan makes a post like this and then the Amen chorus comes in. Deus Vult’ and all swear oaths to go on the Crusade.

    I don’t know when Ricochet just became another internet comment section, a more sophisticated 4chan and Reddit Subthread, maybe it was always thus, but it is kind of sad. The one thing I am certain of is that you’ll get those meddling Demcorats the next time, and their little dog too.

     

    Another gloater who thinks he is clever.

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  7. Valiuth Member
    Valiuth
    @Valiuth

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: We grieve that our systems are so corrupt that we couldn’t even manage an election process with all the technological tools at hand.

    Last night I said to a close Dem friend of mine that I thought we should pursue any perceived instances of miscounts, voter fraud, etc. while she was fully convinced that everything was done according to Hoyle and all the Republican talk of chicanery was ludicrous. I finally reached her by saying that it’s entirely possible there WAS nothing nefarious, but for the sake of public confidence in Biden’s legitimacy going forward, wouldn’t it be a good thing to let people know that nothing untoward occurred, not just for this election’s integrity but elections in the future.

    Yah, and that is being done in the vote canvas after the initial vote count. In several of these states there are also automatic recounts mandated by law in close races. Here is the thing though are YOU acting in good faith here? Cause I don’t think you are. I see nothing but memes and third rate hearsay conspiratorial BS being peddled on this site and all across the Conservative entertainment complex. I don’t see Trump and local Republican Party affiliates putting forth real legal challenges with hard evidence. I see standard Ancient Aliens style reasoning and speculation about what might happen, and the electoral law equivalent of interviewing some guy who claims aliens abducted him, cause he was driving one night and later woke up in a ditch and couldn’t remember how. 

    I mean I love Ancient Aliens it is a fun exercise in collective imagination, but it ain’t real, and if you watch the show and think it is real you will have problems. So I hope you guys can tell the difference between fun makebelief  and reality still, for your sakes at least if not for the countries. 

    I guess now I’ll get back to taunting you all on Trump’s loss and how us NeverTrumpers stole the election. 

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  8. Valiuth Member
    Valiuth
    @Valiuth

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So I guess this is bargaining? Or are you still stuck in denial. Though I see plenty of anger too. I guess all the stages of grief have just collapsed into one infinitely dense conspiratorial ball.

    I don’t know if you guys spent anytime reading people on liberal political sites back in 2016 but you all basically sound the same. Which is of course the thing that I have most realized in my time at Ricochet. Conservatives and Progressives obsess about the same things in the the same irrational and melodramatic ways with only a change in the vector of their preferred direction. Lose one election narrowly and its all “we are doomed, and they cheated, vote suppression, or fraudulent ballots, yada yada yada…”

    So some earnest hyperpartisan makes a post like this and then the Amen chorus comes in. Deus Vult’ and all swear oaths to go on the Crusade.

    I don’t know when Ricochet just became another internet comment section, a more sophisticated 4chan and Reddit Subthread, maybe it was always thus, but it is kind of sad. The one thing I am certain of is that you’ll get those meddling Demcorats the next time, and their little dog too.

     

    Another gloater who thinks he is clever.

    I do more than think it. I own it baby. My wit is so sharp it draws blood. 

     

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  9. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Susan, I have a couple of thoughts in response.

    (1) This election is not over.  Let’s wait until we get actual results from the state authorities, and let’s wait until allegations of fraud or irregularities are litigated, before reaching any conclusions.

    (2) Beware a federal solution.  It might be worse that the current problem.  Do you really want a single federal agency in charge of running the elections?  Under the present, decentralized system, it’s harder for either intentional or unintentional misconduct to affect the outcome.

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  10. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Susan, I have a couple of thoughts in response.

    (1) This election is not over. Let’s wait until we get actual results from the state authorities, and let’s wait until allegations of fraud or irregularities are litigated, before reaching any conclusions.

    (2) Beware a federal solution. It might be worse that the current problem. Do you really want a single federal agency in charge of running the elections? Under the present, decentralized system, it’s harder for either intentional or unintentional misconduct to affect the outcome.

    I didn’t say anything that supports either of your points, Jerry. (You really have to read more carefully.) I specifically said at the end, “No matter who wins. . . ” Also I didn’t ask for a “federal solution”; I asked to explore where the Feds might take action and expect that most requirements go to the states. I didn’t say this, but if a state commits fraud, I’d gladly consider their going on “probation” for the next election–conduct your next election with federal oversight.

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  11. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    Goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    I see nothing but memes and third rate hearsay conspiratorial BS being peddled on this site and all across the Conservative entertainment complex. I don’t see Trump and local Republican Party affiliates putting forth real legal challenges with hard evidence.

    Perhaps you need to give the lawyers and investigators a bit of time to bring forth solid evidence and present it to the proper courts. Back in the year 2000 we waited over 34 days while we watched the hanging chads being debated and much lawyer talk going back and forth. It could well be that there is nothing to concern ourselves about this time, but as you aptly pointed out it seems that each side has the same argument in every election that something nefarious took place that favored the opposing candidate. It would be a good thing to go over the vote counts, particularly in the very close states. and find out all was legitimate. At the very least it would silence the naysayers and at the best it would restore confidence in future elections. 

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  12. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    Goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Beware a federal solution.

    True enough, but particularly because the constitution leaves elections to the states where they rightly belong. Except for one and that is president which happens to be the only candidate for whom we all vote nationally. For that very reason I strongly feel there should be guidelines mandated to all states for president only. It’s ridiculous to have so many different rules in the various states. Furthermore, adherence to those rules should be overseen by an equal number of each party, including vote counts.  

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  13. Raxxalan Member
    Raxxalan
    @Raxxalan

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: We grieve that our systems are so corrupt that we couldn’t even manage an election process with all the technological tools at hand.

    Last night I said to a close Dem friend of mine that I thought we should pursue any perceived instances of miscounts, voter fraud, etc. while she was fully convinced that everything was done according to Hoyle and all the Republican talk of chicanery was ludicrous. I finally reached her by saying that it’s entirely possible there WAS nothing nefarious, but for the sake of public confidence in Biden’s legitimacy going forward, wouldn’t it be a good thing to let people know that nothing untoward occurred, not just for this election’s integrity but elections in the future.

    Yah, and that is being done in the vote canvas after the initial vote count. In several of these states there are also automatic recounts mandated by law in close races. Here is the thing though are YOU acting in good faith here? Cause I don’t think you are. I see nothing but memes and third rate hearsay conspiratorial BS being peddled on this site and all across the Conservative entertainment complex. I don’t see Trump and local Republican Party affiliates putting forth real legal challenges with hard evidence. I see standard Ancient Aliens style reasoning and speculation about what might happen, and the electoral law equivalent of interviewing some guy who claims aliens abducted him, cause he was driving one night and later woke up in a ditch and couldn’t remember how.

    I mean I love Ancient Aliens it is a fun exercise in collective imagination, but it ain’t real, and if you watch the show and think it is real you will have problems. So I hope you guys can tell the difference between fun makebelief and reality still, for your sakes at least if not for the countries.

    I guess now I’ll get back to taunting you all on Trump’s loss and how us NeverTrumpers stole the election.

    Knowing this is pointless and a waste of time.  Are you saying no fraud happened in the 2020 election or just not enough provable fraud happened to overturn the results?  I hate to say this but I suspect fraud has occurred  in every election that has ever happened in the history of the world, so If that is you contention it is almost certainly false.  If it is there isn’t enough provable fraud to overturn the results that may be a defensible position.  It doesn’t address what the proper response is.  Shouldn’t we expect the campaigns to try to litigate and make their case?  I can assure you if the election had gone the other way the democrats would be doing the same thing with the media egging them on.  Also since the same media that is declaring all the fraud false supported the Russian Collusion narrative, mostly peaceful protests, misrepresented the Covid response, and ran interference for the Biden campaign,  you’ll forgive me for not taking their latest story as gospel.

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  14. RichardKoenig Inactive
    RichardKoenig
    @MyTwoCents

    Are the Dominion machines in other Michigan counties being checked? If not, what does it take to get this done?

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    If it is there isn’t enough provable fraud to overturn the results that may be a defensible position. It doesn’t address what the proper response is.

    I don’t think we know what this threshold is in the eyes of the Court. I keep hearing it is enough votes to change the election. I don’t think this would necessarily be the requirement if significant organized and systematic processes  using fraudulent techniques were revealed.

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  16. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    Goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    Shouldn’t we expect the campaigns to try to litigate and make their case? I can assure you if the election had gone the other way the democrats would be doing the same thing with the media egging them on.

    I just read this tweet on Twitter and so agree with it.”Ari Fleischer@AriFleischer7hAfter a lifetime of hearing that voter fraud is real, it seems to me that this is the perfect opportunity to find out if that’s true – or not. Even if the margin is too big to turn around the election, it’s worth a full and deep dive to learn whether or not there is cheating.”

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Avenger Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Avenger
    @BryanGStephens

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Beware a federal solution.

    True enough, but particularly because the constitution leaves elections to the states where they rightly belong. Except for one and that is president which happens to be the only candidate for whom we all vote nationally. For that very reason I strongly feel there should be guidelines mandated to all states for president only. It’s ridiculous to have so many different rules in the various states. Furthermore, adherence to those rules should be overseen by an equal number of each party, including vote counts.

    I strongly disagree. 

    The states need more power and should, use it.

    The problem here is the GOP controlled legislative bodies won’t. 

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  18. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    RichardKoenig (View Comment):

    Are the Dominion machines in other Michigan counties being checked? If not, what does it take to get this done?

    I don’t know, @richardkoenig. I have to assume they are pushing for that to happen.

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  19. Raxxalan Member
    Raxxalan
    @Raxxalan

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    If it is there isn’t enough provable fraud to overturn the results that may be a defensible position. It doesn’t address what the proper response is.

    I don’t think we know what this threshold is in the eyes of the Court. I keep hearing it is enough votes to change the election. I don’t think this would necessarily be the requirement if significant organized and systematic processes using fraudulent techniques were revealed.

    That is true but if it wasn’t enough to overturn the election I don’t know what the relief the court could offer would be.  The point is the only option the campaign has to fight the fraud is thru litigation.

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  20. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    If it is there isn’t enough provable fraud to overturn the results that may be a defensible position. It doesn’t address what the proper response is.

    I don’t think we know what this threshold is in the eyes of the Court. I keep hearing it is enough votes to change the election. I don’t think this would necessarily be the requirement if significant organized and systematic processes using fraudulent techniques were revealed.

    That is true but if it wasn’t enough to overturn the election I don’t know what the relief the court could offer would be. The point is the only option the campaign has to fight the fraud is thru litigation.

    Say there is organized fraud intended to insure the Democrats wins the election but the effect of the votes change is immaterial to the election outcome. Does that mean the criminal act is less serious? 

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  21. WillowSpring Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Beware a federal solution. It might be worse that the current problem. Do you really want a single federal agency in charge of running the elections? Under the present, decentralized system, it’s harder for either intentional or unintentional misconduct to affect the outcome.

    The problem is that the small number of providers of software/machines for voting have essentially defined a centralized system that no one voted for.

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  22. Raxxalan Member
    Raxxalan
    @Raxxalan

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    If it is there isn’t enough provable fraud to overturn the results that may be a defensible position. It doesn’t address what the proper response is.

    I don’t think we know what this threshold is in the eyes of the Court. I keep hearing it is enough votes to change the election. I don’t think this would necessarily be the requirement if significant organized and systematic processes using fraudulent techniques were revealed.

    That is true but if it wasn’t enough to overturn the election I don’t know what the relief the court could offer would be. The point is the only option the campaign has to fight the fraud is thru litigation.

    Say there is organized fraud intended to insure the Democrats wins the election but the effect of the votes change is immaterial to the election outcome. Does that mean the criminal act is less serious?

    No, but it does it mean at the end of the day the election results stand.  These are civil suits so a corrupt organized fraud of the nature you describe could be prosecuted criminally; however, that would be up to the same corrupt actors involved.  If we are lucky the stench of that corruption could have the effect of turning those folks out of office, but trusting a Soros backed DA to enforce a law against a Soros backed election official is probably too much to hope for.  

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  23. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    @MichaelKennedy

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So I guess this is bargaining? Or are you still stuck in denial. Though I see plenty of anger too. I guess all the stages of grief have just collapsed into one infinitely dense conspiratorial ball.

    I don’t know if you guys spent anytime reading people on liberal political sites back in 2016 but you all basically sound the same. Which is of course the thing that I have most realized in my time at Ricochet. Conservatives and Progressives obsess about the same things in the the same irrational and melodramatic ways with only a change in the vector of their preferred direction. Lose one election narrowly and its all “we are doomed, and they cheated, vote suppression, or fraudulent ballots, yada yada yada…”

    So some earnest hyperpartisan makes a post like this and then the Amen chorus comes in. Deus Vult’ and all swear oaths to go on the Crusade.

    I don’t know when Ricochet just became another internet comment section, a more sophisticated 4chan and Reddit Subthread, maybe it was always thus, but it is kind of sad. The one thing I am certain of is that you’ll get those meddling Demcorats the next time, and their little dog too.

     

    Another gloater who thinks he is clever.

    I do more than think it. I own it baby. My wit is so sharp it draws blood.

     

    Your own, of course,

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