Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Where the Count Stands Now

 

At 7:30 a.m. ET/4:30 a.m. PT, we do not have a winner of the presidential contest. Early Tuesday night, it appeared that Donald Trump was on track to achieve the impossible a second time. But as the late evening (and early morning) wore on, Biden moved within striking range.

Various media organizations have different numbers and projections, but according to the New York Times, Biden has 227 electoral votes to Trump’s 213. The winning candidate needs 270.

The Times has called every state except for eight: Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Put together, those states have 98 electoral votes.

Biden is currently leading in Arizona (by 5), Nevada (by 0.6%), and Wisconsin (by 0.7%).

Trump is currently leading in Alaska (by 27%), Georgia (2.2%), Michigan (0.5%), North Carolina (1.4%), and Pennsylvania (11.5%).

If all these states hold, Trump wins with 284 electoral votes. But that’s a big “if.”

Trump was leading in Wisconsin until a tranche of urban votes rolled in at about 3 a.m. local time. The race flipped to Biden by a hair. The same could happen in Michigan and elsewhere.

Trump was utterly dominating Pennsylvania when the counters called a lid, saying they wouldn’t count the Philly-centric votes until 11 a.m. Wednesday. There is zero excuse for PA and other states to abruptly stop a vote count in a high-pressure, low-trust election like 2020. It’s no surprise that Trump warned of shenanigans and possibly stealing the election.

Bluechecks on Twitter were shocked™ and appalled® at Trump’s intemperate remarks, while Trump fans blasted the lazy vote counters. The whole world is watching Pennsylvania and the Keystone State Cops decided to take a nap. Inexcusable.

As it stands now, Biden has the advantage. It may take several days for the final counts to shake out.

In brighter news, it appears that the GOP will gain seats in the House and retain the majority in the Senate. This is the opposite of what the polls predicted; they were also wrong about Biden winning in a walk.

If Biden wins in a squeaker with a GOP-led Senate, radical ideas like packing the courts, creating new states, and the Green New Deal are off the table. It will be two years of gridlock, followed by a stronger GOP Senate and possibly a GOP-led House.

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  1. thelonious Member

    cirby (View Comment):

    As of 8 AM EST, it’s down to this:

    Pennsylvania still has Trump in a big lead (700,000 votes) – but there’s still a lot of votes from Philly to be counted, so that lead will shrink. He’s probably still going to keep the state, I think.

     

    Apparently only 100% of the vote in Philly has been counted. They still have a lot more votes to count.

     

     

     

    • #31
    • November 4, 2020, at 5:59 AM PST
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  2. J Climacus Member

    Quintus Sertorius (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Trump was leading in Wisconsin until a tranche of urban votes rolled in at about 3 a.m. local time.

    Yup. This always happens. The vote fraud operation in Wisconsin is a well-oiled machine.

    You called it, and they waited until they knew what margin they needed.

    Exactly like the Walker/Evers contest in 2018. Exactly.

    Sue them. Challenge every single ballot. Make Bush v. Gore look like a ten-minute disagreement about where to put lawn chairs.

    I’m going to get roasted for this but I must respectfully disagree. Donald Trump has served his purpose….he got the Republican Party off its kester to finally go out and attain the conservative working/middle class African American/Hispanic/Latino/Woman voter. This election has shown the possibilities of building a true new coalition. I would respectfully argue that to drag this election into the mud is not worth possibly jeopardizing this possibility. It looks like Republicans will hold the senate so Joe and Kamala can’t do much of anything. It is time to move to 2022….take back the house….increase the lead in the senate….and then run Tim Scott in 2024 and take it all.

    It’s not the Republican Party that attracted more African American/Hispanic/Latino voters. It was Trump. The establishment Republican Party still thinks the way to attract minorities is to pander to them in Jeb! style. Without Trump, they will go back to that, and the Republican share of the minority vote will go back to where it was.

    With Trump gone, the Republican Party will return to its genteel ways, thinking it is to vulgar to actually fight Democrats. The Biden/Harris Administration will be the most corrupt in history, and Congressional Republicans will tut-tut but do nothing about it, lest the MSM call them racists. 

     

    • #32
    • November 4, 2020, at 5:59 AM PST
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  3. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    James Anderson (View Comment):

    Ugh. Regardless of who wins it will be four years of the losing side questioning the validity of the “winning” side. There must be a better way to avoid even the question of fraud.

    There is, but the Democrats rejected that in order to secure their fraud.

    • #33
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:00 AM PST
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  4. Richard Easton Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    So we lose.

    The never trumpers must love the vote fraud.

    I, for one, don’t love vote fraud.

    Bryan, is it possible that Americans have rejected Trump, but kept the Senate in Republican hands?

    Not based on last night.

    All the irregularities come from Democrat strongholds only in swing states. I did not see you condemn the courts in PA for chancing the rules in an unconstitutional matter.

    You Gary support Biden by hook or by crook. That is clear. You support vote fraud because you are cheering this on.

    And the margin is slim enough that the likes of you have caused this. I will never forgive you and your ilk. Nor will the GOP voters you think are going to come crawling back to you. They. Will. Not.

    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law. I do not support Biden by hook or crook. I am not supporting vote fraud. I support counting every vote.

    Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters. So, the question is if you want to win with Trump Skeptics within the tent, or lose without us? Trump executed a hostile takeover of the a Republican Party in 2016. Trump Skeptic Republicans apparently have done the same in 2020. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Finally, you don’t get to decide if I am a Republican. This is not the Soviet Union where unorthodox Communists were kicked out of the Party. Trump Skeptics are here in the party, and we ain’t leaving. Get over it.

    Gary, we won in 2016 without you. The point is that the 95% of R who support Trump will not be led by the 5% who didn’t. Every NT pundit is gone from our loyalty and we will vote against candidates they support. The policies advocated by Biden are disastrous. No Reagan Republican would ever support them. 

    • #34
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:00 AM PST
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  5. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge

    Do NeverTrumpers believe they will be welcomed anywhere?

    • #35
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:02 AM PST
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  6. Guruforhire Member

    Turnout is way to high for both parties and way to close for this election to //mean// much of anything except that Breyer retires and is replaced by Garland.

    The country didn’t accept or reject anything.

    • The republicans have a growing diverse political coalition with record high turnout
    • The democrats have a growing diverse political coalition with record high turnout

    California and NYs collapse into failed states is going continue to have political consequences around the nation.

    Until the Republicans get an Agenda beyond not being democrats, they are going to find it hard to pull away

    • #36
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:02 AM PST
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  7. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHillJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Gary Robbins: Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters.

    Based on the vote last night I wouldn’t assert that if I were you. Where was the Kasich effect in Ohio? Did Mittens lead Biden to the promised land in Utah? Did THE Rick Wilson impact his home state of Florida? 

    And that “rule of law” thing? Retire it. All around the country judges rewrote law to facilitate voter fraud. And you own that.

    • #37
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:03 AM PST
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  8. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law.

    Not really. If you supported the impeachment, you supported mob rule. Sorry. Own it.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters.

    Heh. Things you tell yourself to make yourself feel better.

    News flash: we didn’t need them in 2016. And there were more of them back then.

    • #38
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:03 AM PST
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  9. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge

    666 (View Comment):

    Jeb or Mitt would have already conceded by now and appealed for calm along with a Senate seat.

    Yep. Trump in 2020 is no Nixon in 1960.

    • #39
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:03 AM PST
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  10. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge

    thelonious (View Comment):

    cirby (View Comment):

    As of 8 AM EST, it’s down to this:

    Pennsylvania still has Trump in a big lead (700,000 votes) – but there’s still a lot of votes from Philly to be counted, so that lead will shrink. He’s probably still going to keep the state, I think.

    Apparently only 100% of the vote in Philly has been counted. They still have a lot more votes to count.

    Fact check: true.

    • #40
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:05 AM PST
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  11. J Climacus Member

    Metalheaddoc (View Comment):

    I am very depressed. The Steal is on. President Harris?!?! Really? Actually, I am both sad and angry. This is going to be a slow motion robbery. Goodbye tax cuts. Goodbye Middle East peace. Goodbye comity with friends and neighbors. Holding the Senate won’t mean much with turncoats like Romney and Collins and Murkowski.

    I have arthritis in my throwing shoulder. I would make a poor rioter. Sorry…mostly peaceful protester.

    Trying to find a silver lining: One advantage the right has is the Democrat emphasis on identity politics means they put incompetent people in place for the sake of identity. This was true of Hillary, who had an inverse Midas-touch, destroying anything she came in contact with. Harris is even more so than Hillary; entirely unlikeable, completely uncharismatic, no talent for much of anything other than sleeping her way to the top. Even the people around her hate her, just like Hillary.

    Presidents depend a lot on popular support to make things happen. Harris will be so off-putting and just won’t have the competence to be a real danger, although she will definitely try. But I suspect she will just embarrass herself.

    • #41
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:07 AM PST
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  12. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    Every NT pundit is gone from our loyalty and we will vote against candidates they support. The policies advocated by Biden are disastrous. No Reagan Republican would ever support them. 

    I can’t wait for the first NeverTrumper pundit to start criticizing the Biden administration. I will be happy to remind them that this is exactly what they wanted.

     

    • #42
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:07 AM PST
    • 15 likes
  13. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law.

    Not really. If you supported the impeachment, you supported mob rule. Sorry. Own it.

    He also supports riots, looting, political prosecutions, critical race theory, etc.

     

    • #43
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:08 AM PST
    • 8 likes
  14. Hartmann von Aue Member

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law.

    Not really. If you supported the impeachment, you supported mob rule. Sorry. Own it.

    This is what the Never Trumpers are supporting de facto:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/03/the-steal-is-on-in-pennsylvania-poll-watchers-denied-access-illegal-campaigning-at-polling-locations/ 

    Namely, illegal acts aimed at throwing the election to Biden. The Republican legal teams should be filing their actions right now. 

    • #44
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:08 AM PST
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  15. Quintus Sertorius Coolidge

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Quintus Sertorius (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Trump was leading in Wisconsin until a tranche of urban votes rolled in at about 3 a.m. local time.

    Yup. This always happens. The vote fraud operation in Wisconsin is a well-oiled machine.

    You called it, and they waited until they knew what margin they needed.

    Exactly like the Walker/Evers contest in 2018. Exactly.

    Sue them. Challenge every single ballot. Make Bush v. Gore look like a ten-minute disagreement about where to put lawn chairs.

    I’m going to get roasted for this but I must respectfully disagree. Donald Trump has served his purpose….he got the Republican Party off its kester to finally go out and attain the conservative working/middle class African American/Hispanic/Latino/Woman voter. This election has shown the possibilities of building a true new coalition. I would respectfully argue that to drag this election into the mud is not worth possibly jeopardizing this possibility. It looks like Republicans will hold the senate so Joe and Kamala can’t do much of anything. It is time to move to 2022….take back the house….increase the lead in the senate….and then run Tim Scott in 2024 and take it all.

    It’s not the Republican Party that attracted more African American/Hispanic/Latino voters. It was Trump. The establishment Republican Party still thinks the way to attract minorities is to pander to them in Jeb! style. Without Trump, they will go back to that, and the Republican share of the minority vote will go back to where it was.

    With Trump gone, the Republican Party will return to its genteel ways, thinking it is to vulgar to actually fight Democrats. The Biden/Harris Administration will be the most corrupt in history, and Congressional Republicans will tut-tut but do nothing about it, lest the MSM call them racists.

    I must respectfully disagree. I will concede that Donald Trump opened the door to the prospect but he is not the future. Of course nor is it the Republican Party of Gary Robins and Jonah Goldberg either….nor will they be players in this new coalition…no..the new leaders are Tim Scott, Candice Owens, Larry Elder, John James, Kim Kasik and those like them. In my opinion, Donald Trump has served his purpose; dragging this election through the mud will do nothing to solidify this coalition….it is there for the Republicans to take….will they is the question. I sure hope so….

     

     

    • #45
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:09 AM PST
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  16. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge

    J Climacus (View Comment):
    One advantage the right has is the Democrat emphasis on identity politics means they put incompetent people in place for the sake of identity.

    You mean like . . .

    • #46
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:09 AM PST
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  17. Richard Easton Member

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law.

    Not really. If you supported the impeachment, you supported mob rule. Sorry. Own it.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters.

    Heh. Things you tell yourself to make yourself feel better.

    News flash: we didn’t need them in 2016. And there were more of them back then.

    Biden did what Trump was accused of doing in impeachment. And you still supported him.

    • #47
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:11 AM PST
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  18. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    I Walton (View Comment):

    What anti fraud arrangements have Republicans made in districts known for fraud? This can’t be a surprise.

    Whine…….

    • #48
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:15 AM PST
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  19. Manny Member

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Trump was leading in Wisconsin until a tranche of urban votes rolled in at about 3 a.m. local time.

    Yup. This always happens. The vote fraud operation in Wisconsin is a well-oiled machine.

    What do you think Drew? Can Trump pull out Wisconsin with what’s left?

    • #49
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:18 AM PST
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  20. Gary Robbins Reagan

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    So we lose.

    The never trumpers must love the vote fraud.

    I, for one, don’t love vote fraud.

    Bryan, is it possible that Americans have rejected Trump, but kept the Senate in Republican hands?

    Not based on last night.

    All the irregularities come from Democrat strongholds only in swing states. I did not see you condemn the courts in PA for chancing the rules in an unconstitutional matter.

    You Gary support Biden by hook or by crook. That is clear. You support vote fraud because you are cheering this on.

    And the margin is slim enough that the likes of you have caused this. I will never forgive you and your ilk. Nor will the GOP voters you think are going to come crawling back to you. They. Will. Not.

    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law. I do not support Biden by hook or crook. I am not supporting vote fraud. I support counting every vote.

    Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters. So, the question is if you want to win with Trump Skeptics within the tent, or lose without us? Trump executed a hostile takeover of the a Republican Party in 2016. Trump Skeptic Republicans apparently have done the same in 2020. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Finally, you don’t get to decide if I am a Republican. This is not the Soviet Union where unorthodox Communists were kicked out of the Party. Trump Skeptics are here in the party, and we ain’t leaving. Get over it.

    Gary, we won in 2016 without you. The point is that the 95% of R who support Trump will not be led by the 5% who didn’t. Every NT pundit is gone from our loyalty and we will vote against candidates they support. The policies advocated by Biden are disastrous. No Reagan Republican would ever support them.

    It will be interesting to see what percentage of Republicans like me voted for Biden, Trump or third party. If Trump won 95% of Republican’s votes, he would be winning. But I’m guessing that he will win only 85% of Republican votes, which would be fatal.

    The irony is that Trump did this to himself with his lack of discipline, his tweets, and his demand that no Republicans ever criticize him. Before Charlottesville, I was slowly warming to Trump. I could have been won over. But Trump couldn’t or wouldn’t reach out.

    • #50
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:20 AM PST
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  21. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. StephensJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    So we lose.

    The never trumpers must love the vote fraud.

    I, for one, don’t love vote fraud.

    Bryan, is it possible that Americans have rejected Trump, but kept the Senate in Republican hands?

    Not based on last night.

    All the irregularities come from Democrat strongholds only in swing states. I did not see you condemn the courts in PA for chancing the rules in an unconstitutional matter.

    You Gary support Biden by hook or by crook. That is clear. You support vote fraud because you are cheering this on.

    And the margin is slim enough that the likes of you have caused this. I will never forgive you and your ilk. Nor will the GOP voters you think are going to come crawling back to you. They. Will. Not.

    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law. I do not support Biden by hook or crook. I am not supporting vote fraud. I support counting every vote.

    Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters. So, the question is if you want to win with Trump Skeptics within the tent, or lose without us? Trump executed a hostile takeover of the a Republican Party in 2016. Trump Skeptic Republicans apparently have done the same in 2020. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Finally, you don’t get to decide if I am a Republican. This is not the Soviet Union where unorthodox Communists were kicked out of the Party. Trump Skeptics are here in the party, and we ain’t leaving. Get over it.

    Don’t negotiate with Terrorists. I will not bow to your threats. 

    You get over it. The Republican votes don’t want you.

    • #51
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:22 AM PST
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  22. Richard Easton Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    So we lose.

    The never trumpers must love the vote fraud.

    I, for one, don’t love vote fraud.

    Bryan, is it possible that Americans have rejected Trump, but kept the Senate in Republican hands?

    Not based on last night.

    All the irregularities come from Democrat strongholds only in swing states. I did not see you condemn the courts in PA for chancing the rules in an unconstitutional matter.

    You Gary support Biden by hook or by crook. That is clear. You support vote fraud because you are cheering this on.

    And the margin is slim enough that the likes of you have caused this. I will never forgive you and your ilk. Nor will the GOP voters you think are going to come crawling back to you. They. Will. Not.

    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law. I do not support Biden by hook or crook. I am not supporting vote fraud. I support counting every vote.

    Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters. So, the question is if you want to win with Trump Skeptics within the tent, or lose without us? Trump executed a hostile takeover of the a Republican Party in 2016. Trump Skeptic Republicans apparently have done the same in 2020. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Finally, you don’t get to decide if I am a Republican. This is not the Soviet Union where unorthodox Communists were kicked out of the Party. Trump Skeptics are here in the party, and we ain’t leaving. Get over it.

    Gary, we won in 2016 without you. The point is that the 95% of R who support Trump will not be led by the 5% who didn’t. Every NT pundit is gone from our loyalty and we will vote against candidates they support. The policies advocated by Biden are disastrous. No Reagan Republican would ever support them.

    It will be interesting to see what percentage of Republicans like me voted for Biden, Trump or third party. If Trump won 95% of Republican’s votes, he would be winning. But I’m guessing that he will win only 85% of Republican votes, which would be fatal.

    The irony is that Trump did this to himself with his lack of discipline, his tweets, and his demand that no Republicans ever criticize him. Before Charlottesville, I was slowly warming to Trump. I could have been won over. But Trump couldn’t or wouldn’t reach out.

    You’re still peddling the C hoax.

    • #52
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:22 AM PST
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  23. Gary Robbins Reagan

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Do NeverTrumpers believe they will be welcomed anywhere?

    I don’t need your welcome. Lord knows, Trump wasn’t welcomed by the Republican Party in 2016. But he won in 2016. And it appears that he lost in 2020. Elections have consequences.

    • #53
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:22 AM PST
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  24. Bishop Wash Member

    The Left’s talking points on Twitter is that the Republicans went to court to prevent ballots in Wisconsin from being counted before yesterday so the delay is on them. Is this remotely true?

    • #54
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:22 AM PST
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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. StephensJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Can we all agree that we hope that John James wins in Michigan? I contributed to his campaign, and he would be part of the new face of the Republican Party in the Senate.

    Mitch is the face of the Senate. 

     

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    • November 4, 2020, at 6:22 AM PST
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  26. Manny Member

    Quintus Sertorius (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Trump was leading in Wisconsin until a tranche of urban votes rolled in at about 3 a.m. local time.

    Yup. This always happens. The vote fraud operation in Wisconsin is a well-oiled machine.

    You called it, and they waited until they knew what margin they needed.

    Exactly like the Walker/Evers contest in 2018. Exactly.

    Sue them. Challenge every single ballot. Make Bush v. Gore look like a ten-minute disagreement about where to put lawn chairs.

    I’m going to get roasted for this but I must respectfully disagree. Donald Trump has served his purpose….he got the Republican Party off its kester to finally go out and attain the conservative working/middle class African American/Hispanic/Latino/Woman voter. This election has shown the possibilities of building a true new coalition. I would respectfully argue that to drag this election into the mud is not worth possibly jeopardizing this possibility. It looks like Republicans will hold the senate so Joe and Kamala can’t do much of anything. It is time to move to 2022….take back the house….increase the lead in the senate….and then run Tim Scott in 2024 and take it all.

    You want to subject the country to Joe Dementia Biden and Kamala Harris with AOC and the squad pulling strings? Are you crazy? You sound worse than the NeverTrumpers. We have to fight this tooth and nail.

    • #56
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:22 AM PST
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  27. Manny Member

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):
    I will never forgive you and your ilk. Nor will the GOP voters you think are going to come crawling back to you. They. Will. Not. 

    Absolutely.

    • #57
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:24 AM PST
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  28. Gary Robbins Reagan

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins: Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters.

    Based on the vote last night I wouldn’t assert that if I were you. Where was the Kasich effect in Ohio? Did Mittens lead Biden to the promised land in Utah? Did THE Rick Wilson impact his home state of Florida?

    See Arizona, Wisconsin and Michigan, and maybe Pennsylvania and Georgia.

    And that “rule of law” thing? Retire it. All around the country judges rewrote law to facilitate voter fraud. And you own that.

    Does “voter fraud” mean count every vote during a pandemic?

     

    • #58
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:24 AM PST
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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. StephensJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Do NeverTrumpers believe they will be welcomed anywhere?

    I don’t need your welcome. Lord knows, Trump wasn’t welcomed by the Republican Party in 2016. But he won in 2016. And it appears that he lost in 2020. Elections have consequences.

    If you are right, and never trumpers sunk Trump this go around, then you are worse than Democrats. 

    But you don’t care. You don’t care about anything other than defeating Trump. Nothing else has ever mattered to you. Almost all your posts are about that. 

     

    • #59
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:25 AM PST
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  30. Gary Robbins Reagan

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    No Bryan, I support the Rule of Law.

    Not really. If you supported the impeachment, you supported mob rule. Sorry. Own it.

    I own that Lamar Alexander was correct when he admitted that the House Managers had made their case.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Whether you like it or not, the Republican Party cannot win the Presidency without its so-called Never Trump voters.

    Heh. Things you tell yourself to make yourself feel better.

    News flash: we didn’t need them in 2016. And there were more of them back then.

    But you needed us in 2020; we declined to vote for Trump; and, it appears that Trump lost.

     

    • #60
    • November 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM PST
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