Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Were They Always Jerks? Or Did Trump Merely Force Them to Come Out of the Closet?

 

I’m not bothered at all by all the wild anti-Trump rhetoric that we’re seeing as we approach next Tuesday. I fully expect it from the Democrats (and their sycophants in the media), the never-Trumpers, and the Hollywood flapdoodles. But what is really beginning to concern me is the number of historians who have totally nutted up over the Trump presidency.

I suppose I shouldn’t be bothered. However, it’s sometimes difficult for me since I view history, more or less, in the same vein as Professor Terguson (in Back to School). (Warning: if you’re offended by harsh language, you’d better quit the video after the first minute.)

Like Professor Terguson, I tend to take seriously the field of history no matter the era. (I once had a Professor of Classics who would tell his students that the only events that could be termed history occurred before 1066 AD; everything that occurred after that was Political Science. I sometimes agree with him.) I believe that people who refer to themselves as Historians should be held to a higher standard than those in other disciplines. For that reason, it is difficult for me to come to grips with what I have seen in the past few months.

I look at my own bookshelves and see the works of Anne Applebaum (Red Famine, Gulag, et.al.), Michael Beschloss (The Conquerors, Presidential Courage, et.al.) and Jon Meacham (American Lion, Thomas Jefferson: The Art of Power, et.al). Like thousands of others, I considered the books of these historians to be first-rate works of scholarship.

But now, I have to wonder how much of what they have written is factual history and how much has been shaded by their own prejudices. I would have never asked this question before but now I believe it is a legitimate one.

Several folks here at Ricochet have noted how Anne Applebaum has gone over to the “dark side” with her assessments of both Trump and his supporters. Did she always have this worldview? Does she fear that she will lose her liberal “bona fides”?

Similarly, presidential historian Michael Beschloss (a scholar whose approach resembled that of Applebaum’s) has always been a solid, reliable source for American History. These days? It’s more along the lines of (and I quote), “The South Lawn of the White House is now turned into the floor of a Republican convention; what dictators do”.

However, I believe the lowest that a supposedly respectable historian can sink, has been Jon Meecham. Perhaps it has been his employers (MSNBC); perhaps it has been his own white self-hatred, but his statement is still a bit of a head-scratcher:

“There is a lizard brain in this country. Donald Trump is a product of the white man’s, the anguished, nervous white guy’s lizard brain. And there’s, there could be a twitch there.”

Huh? This is one of America’s so-called eminent historians speaking? Putting aside the question of whether this guy ever looks in the mirror, should we trust anything that he has ever written or will write? Are schoolyard taunts the best he can do?

Regardless of whether Trump’s presidency ends in three months or four years, we have to wonder how many historians (such as the three above) can (or ever could) be trusted. It may very well be that we will owe Trump a debt of gratitude for not only showing that today’s journalists are the equivalent of Walter Duranty but also that many of our historians are the equivalent of Howard Zinn.

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  1. Seawriter Contributor

    Were They Always Jerks? Or Did Trump Merely Force Them to Come Out of the Closet?

    Embrace the power of “and.”

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    • November 1, 2020, at 7:37 PM PST
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  2. Arahant Member

    Indeed.

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    • November 1, 2020, at 8:02 PM PST
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  3. Unsk Member

    The Totalitarian Democrat Jerks cannot stand anyone including Donald J. Trump to threaten take away their power. Trump’s successes have driven them completely mad and exposed their fragile tether to reality. So yes they were always Jerks. 

    They have never ever really been for the little guy or or really even slightly compassionate. That line of crap was just a ploy to suck people in. If you look back over the last fifty years of so many failed Democrat policies, a compassionate person who was really interested in the plight of the poor and working class would have definitely made adjustments to these failed policies to make them work better. Have the Democrats ever done that? Hell No. Except for saying they absolutely need more money and power , the Totalitarian Democrats have never made the pretty obvious adjustments needed to make their policies work. That they refuse to do that exposes them as the real hypocrites and frauds they really are. It always has been for them about gaining total control and power, nothing less. 

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    • November 1, 2020, at 8:05 PM PST
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  4. RushBabe49 Thatcher

    At bookstores for years, I have picked up, thumbed through, and put back countless “history” books, because they were written with a leftist bias. I love reading history, both academic and popular, but I am getting tired of all the so-called history that is just leftist screed.

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    • November 1, 2020, at 8:57 PM PST
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  5. Chris Oler Coolidge
    Chris Oler Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    CACrabtree: Several folks here at Ricochet have noted how Anne Applebaum has gone over to the “dark side” with her assessments of both Trump and his supporters. Did she always have this worldview? Does she fear that she will lose her liberal “bona fides”?

    I seem to recall her jumping on this train pretty early.

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    • November 1, 2020, at 9:21 PM PST
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  6. Richard Easton Member

    Many historians embraced the questionable Jefferson and Sally Hemings story in 1998 as a way of defending WJC. That was a precursor to the meltdown over Trump. I talked with Barbara Oberg about this at the 1999 Spring American Philosophical Society meeting. She was discrete but the pained look on her face spoke volumes (she’s worked on the collected papers of Jefferson and Franklin).

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    • November 1, 2020, at 11:48 PM PST
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  7. Hartmann von Aue Member

    I have been similarly appalled by statements from Timothy “Bloodlands” Snyder. Yes, the phenomenon you describe is real and it seems to be a product of professional academic peer pressure. 

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    • November 2, 2020, at 12:36 AM PST
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  8. Columbo Member

    Yes.

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    • November 2, 2020, at 5:18 AM PST
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  9. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    At least Robert Caro has kept his own counsel. He was a liberal mugged by the reality of Lyndon Johnson. I hope he lives long enough to finish volume 5. It is interesting to see academics lose their sanity over the crude businessman who is correcting the aimless path of the Administrative State. In World War II, Roosevelt called on them to win the war and they did so with thousands of B24s and Corsairs. Today’s left has lost the wisdom of leftist Franklin Roosevelt.

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    • November 2, 2020, at 10:12 AM PST
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  10. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    The more controversial a topic, the more biases influence its discussion. 

    If a historian does not try to relate his or her history to modern dilemmas, I wouldn’t worry much about a political bent.

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    • November 2, 2020, at 10:14 AM PST
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  11. Biden Pure Demagogue Coolidge
    Biden Pure Demagogue Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

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    • November 2, 2020, at 10:22 AM PST
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  12. CACrabtree Coolidge
    CACrabtree

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    At bookstores for years, I have picked up, thumbed through, and put back countless “history” books, because they were written with a leftist bias. I love reading history, both academic and popular, but I am getting tired of all the so-called history that is just leftist screed.

    Yes, and sometimes they are very adept at hiding their leftist leanings. I try extremely hard to not let my conservatism cloud my judgement; just because a historian is a liberal (ex. Arthur Schlesinger Jr.) that doesn’t necessarily mean that I would not read (and learn from) their works.

    That being said, however, I believe that Applebaum and Meacham have forever jumped the shark. If they even attempt any further writing in the field of history it will probably go straight to the bargain bin. 

    They have not one scintilla of credibility as historians.

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    • November 2, 2020, at 11:34 AM PST
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  13. Max Ledoux Admin

    Were They Always Jerks? Or Did Trump Merely Force Them to Come Out of the Closet?

    Um, yes?

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    • November 2, 2020, at 11:49 AM PST
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  14. Gary Robbins Reagan

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    At least Robert Caro has kept his own counsel. He was a liberal mugged by the reality of Lyndon Johnson. I hope he lives long enough to finish volume 5. It is interesting to see academics lose their sanity over the crude businessman who is correcting the aimless path of the Administrative State. In World War II, Roosevelt called on them to win the war and they did so with thousands of B24s and Corsairs. Today’s left has lost the wisdom of leftist Franklin Roosevelt.

    I hope so to. Caro is a brilliant writer.

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  15. Gary Robbins Reagan

    666 (View Comment):

    And what if that is true?

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  16. CACrabtree Coolidge
    CACrabtree

    Chris O. (View Comment):

    CACrabtree: Several folks here at Ricochet have noted how Anne Applebaum has gone over to the “dark side” with her assessments of both Trump and his supporters. Did she always have this worldview? Does she fear that she will lose her liberal “bona fides”?

    I seem to recall her jumping on this train pretty early.

    No matter the date that she jumped the shark, her case is clearly one of “In for a dime; In for a dollar”. One of her latest articles in The Atlantic stated:

    “When conservatives celebrated Trump’s election 4 years ago, did they know that in 2020 we would board up shops, prepare for riots and the arrival militias, game out ways he might steal the election, protest aggressive vote suppression? This is what he has done to America.”

    This is one of those WTF moments that almost takes my breath away. What in the h*ll is she talking about? How many conservatives have been rioting in the last six months?

    Applebaum has clearly jumped on the “Projection Train” with both feet. It’s a train that she’ll never be able to get off of.

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    • November 2, 2020, at 11:56 AM PST
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  17. Seawriter Contributor

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    At bookstores for years, I have picked up, thumbed through, and put back countless “history” books, because they were written with a leftist bias. I love reading history, both academic and popular, but I am getting tired of all the so-called history that is just leftist screed.

    Yes, and sometimes they are very adept at hiding their leftist leanings. I try extremely hard to not let my conservatism cloud my judgement; just because a historian is a liberal (ex. Arthur Schlesinger Jr.) that doesn’t necessarily mean that I would not read (and learn from) their works.

    That being said, however, I believe that Applebaum and Meacham have forever jumped the shark. If they even attempt any further writing in the field of history it will probably go straight to the bargain bin.

    They have not one scintilla of credibility as historians.

    Well, if you like history that is not slanted left you might buy something by this guy.

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    • November 2, 2020, at 12:05 PM PST
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  18. Stad Coolidge

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Were They Always Jerks? Or Did Trump Merely Force Them to Come Out of the Closet?

    Embrace the power of “and.”

    They are now exposed, and I don’t mean in the Toobin sense . . .

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    • November 2, 2020, at 12:19 PM PST
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  19. The Cloaked Gaijin Member

    A few years ago I had a very, very brief correspondence with a historian who studies military history. He seemed like a crazy Leftist to me, but he said that military history is really out of favor at universities. I think I read that there are only about 10 universities that really allow a person to study military history even though about 80% of the history books that sell probably involve military history. Just recently I discovered a podcast with this same military historian who I sort of thought was a cray Leftist. Actually he’s somewhat moderate and from a rather conservative state, and it’s the guy who does the podcast with him who seems to be the crazy, crazy, crazy Leftist.

    All of the history professors and other professors I knew in college seemed to be rather far to the Left to me, but many didn’t talk about their political beliefs directly. That always seemed strange to me as I live in one of the most consevative places in the country. The local college no longer has a history department; now it has a Department of History and Anthropology. About 30 years ago, about 100% of the local history professors were men. Now half of them are women. New professors that is — not sex change operations… 

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  20. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    President Trump is The Great Clarifier.

     

     

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  21. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):
    Now half of them are women. New professors that is — not sex change operations… 

    How do you know?

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    • November 2, 2020, at 2:55 PM PST
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  22. CACrabtree Coolidge
    CACrabtree

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    A few years ago I had a very, very brief correspondence with a historian who studies military history. He seemed like a crazy Leftist to me, but he said that military history is really out of favor at universities. I think I read that there are only about 10 universities that really allow a person to study military history even though about 80% of the history books that sell probably involve military history. Just recently I discovered a podcast with this same military historian who I sort of thought was a cray Leftist. Actually he’s somewhat moderate and from a rather conservative state, and it’s the guy who does the podcast with him who seems to be the crazy, crazy, crazy Leftist.

    All of the history professors and other professors I knew in college seemed to be rather far to the Left to me, but many didn’t talk about their political beliefs directly. That always seemed strange to me as I live in one of the most consevative places in the country. The local college no longer has a history department; now it has a Department of History and Anthropology. About 30 years ago, about 100% of the local history professors were men. Now half of them are women. New professors that is — not sex change operations…

    I’m not sure about your figure of 10 universities offering degrees in military history but you could be correct. After all, it is vital to our society that we have more folks studying Intersectionality and Queer Studies. (Sarcasm intended.)

    So, it’s no surprise that the number of academicians in the field of military history is decreasing. I suspect that many have grown tired of the flaming dumpster fires that our universities have become and have retired and moved on to friendlier confines.

    If anyone here at Ricochet is serious about military history, I would recommend a stop at the Michigan War Studies Review. (www.miwsr.com)

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  23. Arahant Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    666 (View Comment):

    And what if that is true?

    He’s contributing to herd immunity like nobody’s business.

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  24. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    At least Robert Caro has kept his own counsel. He was a liberal mugged by the reality of Lyndon Johnson. I hope he lives long enough to finish volume 5. It is interesting to see academics lose their sanity over the crude businessman who is correcting the aimless path of the Administrative State. In World War II, Roosevelt called on them to win the war and they did so with thousands of B24s and Corsairs. Today’s left has lost the wisdom of leftist Franklin Roosevelt.

    with the exception of ‘court packing’?

     

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  25. CACrabtree Coolidge
    CACrabtree

    One further comment about the esteemed historian Jon Meacham (I briefly considered a new post).

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/10/jon-meacham-msnbc-reacts-joe-biden-speech-secretly-helped-write/

    So, there you have it; this Pulitzer Prize winning historian who we have read (Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson) and now we find out that he has been a shameless shill for Joe Biden. Not only does he praise Biden to the skies but comments on how the brilliant his speech was; the speech that he (Meacham) helped write.

    You just can’t make this stuff up…

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    • November 11, 2020, at 12:19 PM PST
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