Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. I Ask for 9 Minutes of Your Time

 

A few days ago I appeared on Ricochet’s Land of Confusion podcast (link below). We had a good time talking about all sorts of stuff. About halfway through the show, Don asked me about political yard signs in my area, which for some reason elicited from me a nine-minute discussion of the evolution of leftist movements in America over the past 100 years.

Don liked it and suggested that we transcribe it. Because it was off the cuff, it wasn’t as well organized as I would have liked, so I sat down today to write an article based on my answer to Don’s question.

I talked about sort of a lot of stuff, and it would be a pretty big job to pull all that together in a concise and well-organized essay. To heck with it. But I would be very interested in your opinion on my assertions, which are:

  • This election is not as important as we think.
  • Democrats are not being vicious because they don’t like Donald Trump.
  • Biden is irrelevant in this election, but to a certain degree, so is Donald Trump.
  • Regardless of how this election turns out, there have been structural changes in our society and our government that make ‘saving the American republic’ impossible.
  • The left recognized that leftism didn’t fit with American government or culture, so they sought out to remake both. And they have done so successfully.
  • We need to focus on what comes next, because America has been irreversibly changed into something different than what it once was.

So I ask for nine minutes of your time. Go to the link below, and go to just before the 30-minute mark. Watch the next nine minutes, and see if you agree with me. I hope you don’t, and I hope your disagreements make sense because my conclusions are concerning to me. As I often say, I really hope I’m wrong about this.

Thanks in advance for your input.

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  1. Henry Castaigne Member

    I want to shamelessly say that I called it. Or rather, I nearly called it. I suggested that people start listening at 33:00 when you started to talk about Sun Tzu. 

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    • October 23, 2020, at 9:44 AM PDT
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  2. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I want to shamelessly say that I called it. Or rather, I nearly called it. I suggested that people start listening at 33:00 when you started to talk about Sun Tzu.

    True – where I referred to Sun Tzu’s “Act of War.” Oops. I meant “Art of War,” of course. Dang.

    But I wondered what your perspective would be on that section – you’ve written about such things in the past.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 9:51 AM PDT
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  3. Ontheleftcoast Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I want to shamelessly say that I called it. Or rather, I nearly called it. I suggested that people start listening at 33:00 when you started to talk about Sun Tzu.

    Unfortunately, I agree with you. Trump is at best buying a little time. My sister and I are thinking that a Trump victory will give us a bit more time to plan an orderly exit from California. If the Dems take the Senate, less time, but probably more than if Biden wins and they take the Senate.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 10:06 AM PDT
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  4. John H. Member
    John H.Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I did watch (and listen to, and enjoy!) the recommended 9 minutes, and then some. Since I didn’t take in the whole show, I can’t say the concept of The Coalition Of The Fringes wasn’t mentioned by that name. But Steve Sailer writes about it all the time, never failing to remark on its untenability. The fringes that now make up the Democratic Party dislike one another, have no reason to like one another, and probably cannot be managed – certainly not by Joe Biden.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 10:11 AM PDT
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  5. JoelB Member

    What your bullet points leave out is the destruction of hope which you mentioned on the podcast. This is probably why the leftist movement is so anti-christian and anti-jew. Ironic that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama both used hope as a theme. The left always creates the opposite of what it claims to do.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 10:26 AM PDT
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  6. Ontheleftcoast Member

    I found this linked on a blog I like; the author is USMC veteran William S. Lind, who wrote 4th Generation Warfare Handbook.

    So, is the future of the American state hopeless? Probably. I can see three possible outcomes to the crisis of legitimacy of the American state.

    The first is that the dynasty falls and a competent new establishment class replaces it, one that can make the federal government work for everyone and that ceases to wage ideological war on its own people. In theory, this is possible, but I see no signs of it happening, nor any forces on the horizon that are capable of doing it. The system is so loaded against third parties that this route is effectively blocked. The Democrats are hopelessly in thrall to cultural Marxism because their base either believes in it, profits from it, or both. President Trump has shown himself incapable of remaking the Republican Party in his anti-Establishment, politically incorrect image. Could his successor do it, perhaps someone such as Tucker Carlson? Hope springs eternal, but hope is also a fool.

    A second possibility is that both left and right could see the horrors that widespread Fourth Generation War on American soil would bring, step back, and work together to avoid it. There is a way to do that, by returning to American federalism as it was practiced before 1860.

    When the Constitution was drafted and ratified, none of the men involved ever imagined that life in, say, Massachusetts and South Carolina would become the same. Still less did they conceive that the Constitution gave the federal government authority to make them the same. Were we to return to their understanding of federalism, we could maintain the union while accommodating cultural differences. Some states would be right, others left. If you found yourself being governed by people you despised, you would not need to fight. You could simply move. We would still be one country for foreign policy, defense, macroeconomics, and infrastructure. But leftists would be free to misrule the West Coast to their hearts’ content, while conservatives enjoyed the neighborliness and good food of the Old South.

    The third and most likely possibility is that the country breaks apart in widespread Fourth Generation War. Welcome to Libya, Syria, and a growing portion of the world.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 10:28 AM PDT
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  7. PHenry Member

    Dr. Bastiat:

    • This election is not as important as we think.
    •  . . . 

    Sorry, I’m not able to listen right now, but wanted to respond to your bullets anyway.

    • This election is not as important as we think.

    In the big picture, they never are. I was sure Reagan in ’80 would cause nuke war (so voted libertarian), and that Obama would be the end of America as we know it if he won re election (So voted for Romney). But as of today, this is the most important election. In four years, that one will be.

    • Democrats are not being vicious because they don’t like Donald Trump.

    No, they were vicious long before Trump. If Jeb! had won the nomination and election, they would be just as vicious. But they do hate Trump with a white hot rage I haven’t seen since Reagan.

    • Biden is irrelevant in this election, but to a certain degree, so is Donald Trump.

    I agree Biden is irrelevant. But Trump is why. This is, as most second term elections are, about Trump and little else. Biden never would have a chance on his own, I estimate 75% of his support is no deeper than ‘not Trump’.

    • Regardless of how this election turns out, there have been structural changes in our society and our government that make ‘saving the American republic’ impossible.

    I put this in the same category as bullet 1. It ain’t over till it’s over, and I still have some faith that Americans have enough of the rugged individualism left in their DNA to overcome the onslaught of groupthink.

    • The left recognized that leftism didn’t fit with American government or culture, so they sought out to remake both. And they have done so successfully.

    If by remaking you mean obfuscating, misrepresenting, and bait and switching, sure. Culture, like climate, is always changing. I don’t yet agree they have stamped out the traditional American culture, but it is getting there.

    • We need to focus on what comes next, because America has been irreversibly changed into something different than what it once was.

    Like I say, culture does not stay in place, it is constantly in motion, evolving. The culture of 80’s America was quite different than the culture of the ’50, and very different than the culture of 1776. The question is has the population lost the basic underpinning of what made America the most successful and free society the world has ever known. (Belief in individual freedom and distrust of central government) I can only say I hope not yet, but my understanding of history is that someday, it will. It is the nature of humanity.

     

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    • October 23, 2020, at 11:56 AM PDT
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  8. Henry Castaigne Member

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    The third and most likely possibility is that the country breaks apart in widespread Fourth Generation War. Welcome to Libya, Syria, and a growing portion of the world.

    But do we really have the bravery to fight?

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    • October 23, 2020, at 12:29 PM PDT
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  9. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSulJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I’m rather in line your thinking too. I have recently finished reading Rod Dreher’s Live Not By Lies, which I will be reviewing here on Rico as soon as I muster my thoughts on it (which, for this book, is challenging). The points Dreher makes again and again and again are sobering:

    1. This is a post-Christian culture. That ship has sailed, and we are not going back. The Millennials and GenZers are so thoroughly radicalized against Christianity that they aren’t even aware they reject it, they aren’t even familiar enough with it to consciously (rather than reflexively) do so.
    2. This is also a post-republican culture. The Millennials and GenZers are so thoroughly radicalized against that too that they have thoroughly absorbed that their culture, where “hate” must be destroyed, where the only truth is internal, where egoism and self worship are rampant, where “tolerance” means “uniformity of thought”, that they increasingly resemble the Bolsheviks and Nazis.
    3. And the real levers of power are no longer in Washington anyway, but in Silicon Valley, in the giant mega-banks, and in other large corporations. This is not to say Washington is powerless but that it is comparatively weak, and spineless.
    4. And these large corporations are increasingly wielding this power – that they do not try to use it more brazenly is both fear of Washington (don’t poke the bear), and their own inertia, but once the younger radicals have risen through the ranks the brakes will be off, and we are quite likely to find ourselves stuck in a Chinese-style social credit system, complete with ubiquitous monitoring and censoring of anything we’re not allowed to hear or say or see.

    Anyone who pins all their hopes on a Trump victory to prevent this is engaging in wishful thinking, and one need only look at how these companies are already acting outside of the US to see what they plan to do here. Trump may delay, but he hasn’t shown any ability or willingness to act here, so even if he wins we won’t really see this relenting. Biden is meanwhile a greedy senile vain narcissistic cypher, who likewise will not act. And once these younger cohorts come into their own, they will be unrestrained. As a culture, we have failed to adequately instruct the next generations. Nothing can fix that now.

    And like the fools and morons who funded the Bolsheviks and Nazis a century ago, the people who do have the power and money to stop it won’t because they don’t take it seriously – they think in their vanity that they will be spared.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 12:35 PM PDT
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  10. PHenry Member

    SkipSul (View Comment):
    think in their vanity that they will be spared.

    It’s worse than that. They don’t just think they will be spared, they believe they will be empowered. They want to rule the word, and damnit, they deserve to!

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    • October 23, 2020, at 1:35 PM PDT
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  11. Barry Jones Thatcher

    Just my two cents but I would really like to see you expand on the time after about the 30 minute mark. The sound is not as good as it could be on the recording and I really liked what I heard…but am WAY too lazy to actually attempt to transcribe it or even to take good notes. Strong points that deserve a little discussion, so go for it!

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    • October 23, 2020, at 2:12 PM PDT
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  12. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat

    Barry Jones (View Comment):
    Just my two cents but I would really like to see you expand on the time after about the 30 minute mark

    I’m not sure I understand exactly what you mean…

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    • October 23, 2020, at 2:14 PM PDT
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  13. DonG (Biden is compromised) Coolidge

    Socialism doesn’t require government ownership of the means of production, just the control of it. With the Green New Deal, the government would control anything that uses energy to be created or delivered–everything! 

    I think this election is very important, not as much because of the person wins, but because it will tell us what path Americans have chosen. It is 1619 or 1776? It is Lenin & Marx or Lewis & Clark? Is it Teapot Dome or Tea Party?

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    • October 23, 2020, at 2:18 PM PDT
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  14. PHenry Member

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):
    I think this election is very important, not as much because of the person wins, but because it will tell us what path Americans have chosen. It is 1619 or 1776? It is Lenin & Marx or Lewis & Clark? Is it Teapot Dome or Tea Party?

    I felt the same way in 2012, and again in 2016. It will be a long battle.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 2:23 PM PDT
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  15. Henry Castaigne Member

    PHenry (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):
    I think this election is very important, not as much because of the person wins, but because it will tell us what path Americans have chosen. It is 1619 or 1776? It is Lenin & Marx or Lewis & Clark? Is it Teapot Dome or Tea Party?

    I felt the same way in 2012, and again in 2016. It will be a long battle.

    Everybody feels that way all the time. I’m with Dr. Bastiat. This is a matter of decades if not generations. 

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    • October 23, 2020, at 2:31 PM PDT
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  16. Chuck Thatcher

    SkipSul (View Comment):

    I’m rather in line your thinking too. I have recently finished reading Rod Dreher’s Live Not By Lies, which I will be reviewing here on Rico as soon as I muster my thoughts on it (which, for this book, is challenging). The points Dreher makes again and again and again are sobering:

    1. This is a post-Christian culture. That ship has sailed, and we are not going back. The Millennials and GenZers are so thoroughly radicalized against Christianity that they aren’t even aware they reject it, they aren’t even familiar enough with it to consciously (rather than reflexively) do so.
    2. This is also a post-republican culture. The Millennials and GenZers are so thoroughly radicalized against that too that they have thoroughly absorbed that their culture, where “hate” must be destroyed, where the only truth is internal, where egoism and self worship are rampant, where “tolerance” means “uniformity of thought”, that they increasingly resemble the Bolsheviks and Nazis.
    3. And the real levers of power are no longer in Washington anyway, but in Silicon Valley, in the giant mega-banks, and in other large corporations. This is not to say Washington is powerless but that it is comparatively weak, and spineless.
    4. And these large corporations are increasingly wielding this power – that they do not try to use it more brazenly is both fear of Washington (don’t poke the bear), and their own inertia, but once the younger radicals have risen through the ranks the brakes will be off, and we are quite likely to find ourselves stuck in a Chinese-style social credit system, complete with ubiquitous monitoring and censoring of anything we’re not allowed to hear or say or see.

    Anyone who pins all their hopes on a Trump victory to prevent this is engaging in wishful thinking, and one need only look at how these companies are already acting outside of the US to see what they plan to do here. Trump may delay, but he hasn’t shown any ability or willingness to act here, so even if he wins we won’t really see this relenting. Biden is meanwhile a greedy senile vain narcissistic cypher, who likewise will not act. And once these younger cohorts come into their own, they will be unrestrained. As a culture, we have failed to adequately instruct the next generations. Nothing can fix that now.

    And like the fools and morons who funded the Bolsheviks and Nazis a century ago, the people who do have the power and money to stop it won’t because they don’t take it seriously – they think in their vanity that they will be spared.

    As my Elders are recommending this book I’m looking forward to your review. Speaking with facts is difficult at best but seems to me the best we can hope for is to slow the rate of decline or to just enjoy the toboggan ride.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 3:34 PM PDT
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  17. Pete EE Member

    “There is a great deal of ruin in a nation.” – Adam Smith

    IOW – The nation is big and complex. People behave in surprising ways. It’s not over until it’s over. 
    So keep fighting the fight. It’s not like you have anything better to do.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 3:48 PM PDT
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  18. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. StephensJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    It is over. The fact so many people want to vote for Biden proves it. 

    Most Americans are too fat and stupid to care about liberty and freedom. They want handouts. Especially the middle class who will find they are no longer middle class. 

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    • October 23, 2020, at 4:04 PM PDT
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  19. Sisyphus Coolidge
    SisyphusJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    PHenry (View Comment):

    No, they were vicious long before Trump. If Jeb! had won the nomination and election, they would be just as vicious. But they do hate Trump with a white hot rage I haven’t seen since Reagan.

    •  

    They hated W at least as badly as either Reagan or Trump. I had relatives who, when Bush was televised sharing Thanksgiving turkey in Iraq with the services, prayed for the terrorists to end him right there. These are really sweet, sweet people.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 4:36 PM PDT
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  20. Henry Castaigne Member

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    PHenry (View Comment):

    No, they were vicious long before Trump. If Jeb! had won the nomination and election, they would be just as vicious. But they do hate Trump with a white hot rage I haven’t seen since Reagan.

    •  

    They hated W at least as badly as either Reagan or Trump. I had relatives who, when Bush was televised sharing Thanksgiving turkey in Iraq with the services, prayed for the terrorists to end him right there. These are really sweet, sweet people.

    You aren’t exaggerating. 

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    • October 23, 2020, at 4:52 PM PDT
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  21. Sisyphus Coolidge
    SisyphusJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    PHenry (View Comment):

    No, they were vicious long before Trump. If Jeb! had won the nomination and election, they would be just as vicious. But they do hate Trump with a white hot rage I haven’t seen since Reagan.

    •  

    They hated W at least as badly as either Reagan or Trump. I had relatives who, when Bush was televised sharing Thanksgiving turkey in Iraq with the services, prayed for the terrorists to end him right there. These are really sweet, sweet people.

    You aren’t exaggerating.

    No, I’m not. They were as gleeful as a demon at Auschwitz.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 4:54 PM PDT
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  22. Henry Castaigne Member

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    PHenry (View Comment):

    No, they were vicious long before Trump. If Jeb! had won the nomination and election, they would be just as vicious. But they do hate Trump with a white hot rage I haven’t seen since Reagan.

    •  

    They hated W at least as badly as either Reagan or Trump. I had relatives who, when Bush was televised sharing Thanksgiving turkey in Iraq with the services, prayed for the terrorists to end him right there. These are really sweet, sweet people.

    You aren’t exaggerating.

    No, I’m not. They were as gleeful as a demon at Auschwitz.

    According to Lucifer, demons associated with hell have been neutral in human matters for over 4,000 years. 

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    • October 23, 2020, at 4:57 PM PDT
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  23. Sisyphus Coolidge
    SisyphusJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    PHenry (View Comment):

    No, they were vicious long before Trump. If Jeb! had won the nomination and election, they would be just as vicious. But they do hate Trump with a white hot rage I haven’t seen since Reagan.

    •  

    They hated W at least as badly as either Reagan or Trump. I had relatives who, when Bush was televised sharing Thanksgiving turkey in Iraq with the services, prayed for the terrorists to end him right there. These are really sweet, sweet people.

    You aren’t exaggerating.

    No, I’m not. They were as gleeful as a demon at Auschwitz.

    According to Lucifer, demons associated with hell have been neutral in human matters for over 4,000 years.

    Yes, he loves a bad joke.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 5:04 PM PDT
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  24. MarciN Member

    Quoting myself from comment 24:

    It is often surprising the issues that come along seemingly out of nowhere that can burst through what seems to be a solid political front. Along with the well-known pro-life Democrats who switched parties in the eighties was another large group of voters and new Republicans–school choice supporters. Something like that will come along.

    Well, in a very amusing turn of events, here is a great article called “Why Millions of Freelancers Fear a Biden Presidency May Put Them out of Work“:

    Some freelancers are so fearful of what would happen if the PRO Act were enacted with the ABC test that this is affecting their choice of candidates. “My vote is 100% on this issue because we are talking about 100% of my income,” says Kim Kavin, a freelancer writer from Long Valley, New Jersey. She co-founded a Facebook group called Fight for Freelancers NJ to oppose a law similar to AB-5 that was proposed in New Jersey but did not make it to a vote. “Especially in the current economic situation we face, I want to keep earning a living.”

    Life takes some interesting twists and turns sometimes.

    I used to laugh at Obama’s suggestion that self-employment will be the answer to unemployment. He used to talk about this all this time. I would to think to myself, “Ha ha, and it will be the kiss of death for the Democrats. The tax advantages for self-employment are very high, and when the IRS figures out that it is losing a lot of money, the government will try to corral everyone back to work for large employers. I have news for the Democrats. People aren’t going to go. They will love self-employment for many social and financial reasons.”

    The next few years will see some surprises! :-)

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    • October 23, 2020, at 6:47 PM PDT
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  25. Flicker Coolidge

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I’m not without of hope for a Judeo-Christian future for Western Europe and America

    Concerning the bob sled, there is only one end, and the question is how we get there, fast with no injuries, or all bunged up and limping down the course. The end of the course doesn’t have to be a debauched and degrading society, though that seems certainly to be the course we are on now. But there is another possibility. And it’s miraculous. And that is a massive change of individual hearts toward Christ. It’s happened before I think at least twice in America, and was the result of prayer and preaching and prayer, so I’m told.

    The Great Awakening was in the 1730s and 40s. The Second Great Awakening occurred mostly in the first half of the nineteenth century. These were not so much through the working of men, though men were involved. But they were the working of God in response to prayer.

    Jonah preached to the Ninevites, and they repented and Nineveh was spared in their lifetimes. So anything is possible with God. Maybe the young of today scorn Christendom just as the Ninevites did, through ignorance, and might be grateful for a change if exposed to preaching Christ.

     

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    • October 23, 2020, at 8:37 PM PDT
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  26. Henry Castaigne Member

    Flicker (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I’m not without of hope for a Judeo-Christian future for Western Europe and America

    Concerning the bob sled, there is only one end, and the question is how we get there, fast with no injuries, or all bunged up and limping down the course. The end of the course doesn’t have to be a debauched and degrading society, though that seems certainly to be the course we are on now. But there is another possibility. And it’s miraculous. And that is a massive change of individual hearts toward Christ. It’s happened before I think at least twice in America, and was the result of prayer and preaching and prayer, so I’m told.

    The Great Awakening was in the 1730s and 40s. The Second Great Awakening occurred mostly in the first half of the nineteenth century. These were not so much through the working of men, though men were involved. But they were the working of God in response to prayer.

    Jonah preached to the Ninevites, and they repented and Nineveh was spared in their lifetimes. So anything is possible with God. Maybe the young of today scorn Christendom just as the Ninevites did, through ignorance, and might be grateful for a change if exposed to preaching Christ.

    Your Jesus thingy makes people happy. It really seems that the SJW types are deeply unhappy. People over time move to beliefs that make them happy.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 10:37 PM PDT
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  27. Freeven Member
    FreevenJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    It’s said that terminally ill patients often rally at the end. I’ve witnessed something like this twice and the hope it inspires, then crushes, is heartbreaking. I’m generally pessimistic about America’s future, because I’m generally pessimistic about human nature. But people have a way of surprising, and Americans have a history of pushing back, and pushing back hard, when the walls of tyranny are closing in. Indeed, our country was founded on such an effort. And we’ve seen such movements even in our lifetimes: Reagan, the Tea Party, now Trump. Each time they give me hope. And each time I wonder if I’m being set up for heartbreak.

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    • October 23, 2020, at 11:36 PM PDT
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  28. Charlotte Member
    CharlotteJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    If it really is over, I hope I kill a lot of antifa before I die. And to hell with Ricochet and everyone here. All of this was a waste of time and money. If we really are doomed, it is time stack up bodies rather talk about ideas. What do you think of that, @drbastiat ? To hell with despair, I choose blood.

    Hell, maybe I should join the communists in hopes of becoming a political executioner. I can look the woke in the eyes as I murder them, their pleas falling on deaf ears.

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    • October 24, 2020, at 4:21 AM PDT
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  29. JoelB Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I’m not without of hope for a Judeo-Christian future for Western Europe and America

    Concerning the bob sled, there is only one end, and the question is how we get there, fast with no injuries, or all bunged up and limping down the course. The end of the course doesn’t have to be a debauched and degrading society, though that seems certainly to be the course we are on now. But there is another possibility. And it’s miraculous. And that is a massive change of individual hearts toward Christ. It’s happened before I think at least twice in America, and was the result of prayer and preaching and prayer, so I’m told.

    The Great Awakening was in the 1730s and 40s. The Second Great Awakening occurred mostly in the first half of the nineteenth century. These were not so much through the working of men, though men were involved. But they were the working of God in response to prayer.

    Jonah preached to the Ninevites, and they repented and Nineveh was spared in their lifetimes. So anything is possible with God. Maybe the young of today scorn Christendom just as the Ninevites did, through ignorance, and might be grateful for a change if exposed to preaching Christ.

    Your Jesus thingy makes people happy. It really seems that the SJW types are deeply unhappy. People over time move to beliefs that make them happy.

    Jesus thingy??

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    • October 24, 2020, at 6:04 AM PDT
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  30. Flicker Coolidge

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I’m not without of hope for a Judeo-Christian future for Western Europe and America

    Concerning the bob sled, there is only one end, and the question is how we get there, fast with no injuries, or all bunged up and limping down the course. The end of the course doesn’t have to be a debauched and degrading society, though that seems certainly to be the course we are on now. But there is another possibility. And it’s miraculous. And that is a massive change of individual hearts toward Christ. It’s happened before I think at least twice in America, and was the result of prayer and preaching and prayer, so I’m told.

    The Great Awakening was in the 1730s and 40s. The Second Great Awakening occurred mostly in the first half of the nineteenth century. These were not so much through the working of men, though men were involved. But they were the working of God in response to prayer.

    Jonah preached to the Ninevites, and they repented and Nineveh was spared in their lifetimes. So anything is possible with God. Maybe the young of today scorn Christendom just as the Ninevites did, through ignorance, and might be grateful for a change if exposed to preaching Christ.

    Your Jesus thingy makes people happy. It really seems that the SJW types are deeply unhappy. People over time move to beliefs that make them happy.

    Yeah, you know you’re not just insulting me, you’re insulting a lot of other Christians as well, not to mention the “religion” you like so much.

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    • October 24, 2020, at 6:27 AM PDT
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