Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Mitt Romney Boldly Defends Right Not to be Bold About Anything

 

I’ve tried, desperately at times, to find narrow grounds on which I can cope with Mitt Romney should he become the GOP nominee next year. And now, my friends, I’ve about had it. From Politico:

In a visit to Ohio today, Mitt Romney declined to state his position on a high-profile referendum there on the new state law that curtails the bargaining rights of public employee unions. But earlier this year, Romney indicated support for the reforms signed by Gov. John Kasich.

What makes this whole situation even more bizarre: Romney was at a GOP phone bank where volunteers were making calls about the collective bargaining measures when he refused his support. His typically milquetoast statement: “I am not speaking about the particular ballot issues. Those are up to the people of Ohio.” Then don’t go there for a photo-op, Mitt.

I’ve had my fill of Romney the “decline to state” candidate. I don’t need him to tell me that Massachusetts is free to design its own unique health care reform; I need him to tell me why he signed it. I don’t need him to tell me that it’s Ohio voters who get the final say on state referendums; I need him to tell me whether he believes those referendums are worthwhile. In essence, I need him to run for president, not for junior high civics teacher. At the moment, I’m not sure he has the core convictions that either position requires.

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  1. John Marzan Inactive

    doesn’t look good for mitt.

    OTOH, i don’t recall a lot of GOP governors coming to the defense of scott walker when he tried to change the collective bargaining for gov’t workers.

    even mitch daniels was kinda squishy on wisconsin and scott walker because he had his own problems with fleebagging dem lawmakers + his ambitions for the presidency at that time.

    https://ricochet.com/main-feed/Mitch-Daniels-Prudent-Effective-or-Missing-the-Zeitgeist/%28page%29/3

    https://ricochet.com/member-feed/Would-you-catch-a-falling-star/%28page%29/1

    let’s not be overly harsh on romney when the alternative conservative candidate is committing suicide on the “birther” issue and dragging the entire GOP party with him.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 1:03 AM PST
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  2. Southern Pessimist Member

    This type of weaselness is going to destroy Romney’s aura of inevitabilty. I’m thinking maybe Mark Block needs to be running.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 2:21 AM PST
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  3. Roberto, Crusty Old Timer Member

    If these head fakes towards the concept of Federalism were genuine I would be much less inclined to find Romney so distasteful but it is impossible to conclude given his track record, unfortunately for him he has one, that they are simply aught but his latest artful dodge at not letting himself be burdened down by anything so droll as a firm position or consistent principles.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 2:24 AM PST
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  4. Mark Wilson Member
    Troy Senik

    I don’t need him to tell me that Massachusetts is free to design its own unique health care reform; I need him to tell me why he signed it. I don’t need him to tell me that it’s Ohio voters who get the final say on state referendums; I need him to tell me whether he believes those referendums are worthwhile. In essence, I need him to run for president, not for junior high civics teacher. At the moment, I’m not sure he has the core convictions that either position requires.

    Nailed it, Troy. This is similar to when you ask a Democrat if they will repudiate a 9-11 Truther slogan uttered by their favored candidate, and they say “I believe that person has the same right to free speech you do.”

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    • October 26, 2011, at 2:31 AM PST
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  5. The (apathetic) King Prawn Inactive

    Perry and Paul have both come out for the propositions. Mitt put himself in the dunking booth on this one and gave the other candidates a free pass to the carnival.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 2:36 AM PST
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  6. Nyadnar17 Inactive

    Wha…wha? Don’t like 5 of his “59 Policy Proposals” address this exact issue? Why is this a hard question exactly?

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    • October 26, 2011, at 2:38 AM PST
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  7. Peter Robinson Founder

    Scott Reusser, Frozen Chosen, James of England, and all other Ricochetians who have risen repeatedly and gallantly to the defense of the former governor of the Bay State, please note that the author of this post is not Peter Robinson but Troy Senik.

    That’s “Senik,” S-E-N-I-K.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 2:48 AM PST
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  8. The New Clear Option Inactive

    Chauncey Gardiner for President!

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    • October 26, 2011, at 2:55 AM PST
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  9. K T Cat Inactive

    Just to defend Romney, weasels have this strange tendency to go into a killing frenzy and just slaughter prey regardless of whether or not they can actually eat it. I don’t think he’s a weasel. Plus, weasels are vertebrates. Romney is a lot of things, but he’s not a weasel.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 3:07 AM PST
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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member
    K T Cat:

    Plus, weasels are vertebrates.

    That was awesome.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 3:14 AM PST
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  11. jetstream Inactive

    This is why all of the jokes about Romney’s exterior plastic appearance ring true – his exterior plastic persona is just a reflection of his inner plastic core. Nothing about Romney is clever or Machiavellian, he’s an empty suit.

    If Romney were in the military, he would be in charge of laying out the Latrines and keeping the O clubs stocked with booze. As a combat leader his failures would only be bounded by the size of his command, his core competency would be combat disasters.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 3:18 AM PST
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  12. Western Chauvinist Member
    DrewInWisconsin

    K T Cat:

    Plus, weasels are vertebrates.

    That was awesome. · Oct 25 at 3:14pm

    Agreed!

    Not to pile on Romney again, but I just can’t get over his handling of RomneyCare as an issue. If one wants to be forgiven a transgression, it is best first to repent, and then ask for forgiveness in my experience. His approach seems to be, “Meh. Nothing to see here. Move along, people.”

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    • October 26, 2011, at 3:24 AM PST
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  13. Percival Thatcher

    I read Mitt’s economic plan. It had 59 points, and I can’t recall one of them.

    We can’t afford four more years of blithering incompetence. We’d be much better off with four years of well-managed, carefully reasoned, politically astute mush.

    Our Champion, Captain Tapioca.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 3:41 AM PST
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  14. KC Mulville Inactive

    It’s like a bad Star Trek episode when the character accidentally reveals that he’s just a machine because he can’t escape his programming.

    Have you wondered why all of the more compelling GOP candidates won’t run? What do they know that we don’t? Maybe Romney is secretly a joint enterprise of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, and the VRWC has pre-programmed Mitt to carry out the agenda of the elite club.

    OK, maybe he’s just a stiff, but I like my explanation better.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 3:45 AM PST
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  15. Tom Wilson Member

    As someone who is leaning toward voting for Romney in the primary, I must say this is disappointing. I won’t make excuses for this excessive timidity, but considering the faults of the other candidates ( do I need to catalog them) Romney is still on top in my book. It’s just this kind of thing that keeps many conservatives from trusting him.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 3:50 AM PST
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  16. katievs Member

    I’m with you, Tom Wilson.

    Today I’m hoping Perry will pull out a comeback.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 4:13 AM PST
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  17. Frozen Chosen Inactive

    Romney is clearly focused on the general election and wants to avoid offending potential voters in Ohio as it is a swing state and he believes he will need at least some of those union voters.

    I can certainly understand why this strategy would turn off many conservatives. However, while some of the positions Cain, Perry, etc are taking may help them in the primaries, they will also put a bullseye on their back in the general election.

    Cain and Perry are saying whatever they need to win the primary – Mitt is angling for the general election already. Different strategies but both are political strategies made by politicians.

    There’s a word for people who run for POTUS who aren’t politicians – Losers!

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    • October 26, 2011, at 4:29 AM PST
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  18. jetstream Inactive
    Tom Wilson:

    … I must say this is disappointing. … Romney is still on top in my book. It’s just this kind of thing that keeps many conservatives from trusting him. · Oct 25 at 3:50pm

    Disappointing? Romney refuses to support minimum changes to Ohio’s governing policies, all necessary to prevent Ohio from descending into a dysfunctional collapse and bankruptcy. And that only rises to the level of disappointing?

    Romney betrays Ohio’s efforts to regain control of the state budget and to begin limiting the power of the progressive tsunami destroying not just Ohio but all of America, and, you still support Romney? Why wouldn’t “every conservative” stop trusting Romney and work to ensure his failure at the ballot box?

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    • October 26, 2011, at 4:37 AM PST
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  19. Larry3435 Member

    Frozen Chosen has it exactly right. This is not a philosophy seminar at Hillsdale – it is a campaign to unseat Obama. It is a fight we must win. There is a reason that Mitt is the only GOP candidate who doesn’t implode (as Perry and Bachman did, and Cain will do). I, for one, do not demand that my candidate make unforced errors just to prove his ideological purity. Go Mitt!

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    • October 26, 2011, at 4:40 AM PST
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  20. outstripp Inactive

    maybe Romney noticed that Obama got elected by not clarifying his position on a myriad of issues and Romney really wants to get elected.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 4:51 AM PST
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  21. Frozen Chosen Inactive
    outstripp: maybe Romney noticed that Obama got elected by not clarifying his position on a myriad of issues and Romney really wants to get elected. · Oct 25 at 4:51pm

    Bingo!

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    • October 26, 2011, at 4:52 AM PST
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  22. FeliciaB Inactive

    Oh, I see Romney is busy upping his “ew” factor. Go on Mr. R!

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    • October 26, 2011, at 4:59 AM PST
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  23. jetstream Inactive
    Frozen Chosen:

    … However, while some of the positions Cain, Perry, etc are taking may help them in the primaries, they will also put a bullseye on their back in the general election.

    Cain and Perry are saying whatever they need to win the primary – Mitt is angling for the general election already. Different strategies but both are political strategies made by politicians.

    There’s a word for people who run for POTUS who aren’t politicians – Losers! · Oct 25 at 4:29pm

    Edited on Oct 25 at 04:30 pm

    Conservatives who run campaigns (primary or general elections) based on conservative philosophies and principles have a very successful track record – beginning with Ronald Reagan.

    Mitt running as himself, a progressive Democrat Lite, isn’t a winning strategy in the primary and didn’t work for McCain in the general election in 2008.

    Republican progressives who run for POTUS as the Democrat Lite have an almost perfect record of “Loser”.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 4:59 AM PST
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  24. Matthew Gilley Inactive
    Frozen Chosen: Romney is clearly focused on the general election and wants to avoid offending potential voters in Ohio as it is a swing state and he believes he will need at least some of those union voters.

    ….

    There’s a word for people who run for POTUS who aren’t politicians – Losers!

    With all due respect, I can’t see how waffling on public employee unions gets Romney anywhere in the general election, either. Are you thinking that he believes he must break off a significant chunk of the SEIU and AFSCME rank-and-file to win Ohio? If he thinks that will ever happen, then he is smoking something that not even Ron Paul would agree to legalize. And if he thinks those votes are necessary to win Ohio, well, my friends, we may as well pack it up now.

    Bottom line: this is an easy call for any Republican, moderate or otherwise. I’m with Troy on this one.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 5:05 AM PST
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  25. Liver Pate Inactive
    Peter Robinson: Scott Reusser, Frozen Chosen, James of England, and all other Ricochetians who have risen repeatedly and gallantly to the defense of the former governor of the Bay State, please note that the author of this post is not Peter Robinson but Troy Senik.

    That’s “Senik,” S-E-N-I-K. · Oct 25 at 2:48pm

    Sure, sure. I remember your Romney is MilqueToast thread awhile back.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 5:08 AM PST
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  26. Liver Pate Inactive

    Bottom line: this is an easy call for any Republican, moderate or otherwise. I’m with Troy on this one.

    It would be fun to ask him a question on Galileo.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 5:09 AM PST
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  27. Anon Inactive

    It occurs to me that Romney is not who he would have us believe. He’s a parodic politician and, therefore, not real. He’s for everything and against everything – as is suitable to a current venue. You can depend on Romney to be undependable.

    Oh, I’ll vote for the jerk alright, if it comes to that, as a lesser of evils choice, but I know I’ll be voting for a parody – and I’ll hope that in the end he’ll be better than imagined – but I doubt it.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 5:14 AM PST
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  28. Frozen Chosen Inactive

    Here is a more complete explanation of the strategy game Romney is playing which I alluded to in an earlier post.

    Say what you want about him but the man is out to WIN in 11/12.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 5:16 AM PST
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  29. Scott R Member

    FYI, issue 2 is down 57-32 in the most recent poll.

    What makes Kasich’s efforts even braver than Walker’s is Kasich’s inclusion of police and fire in his reforms. You can guess the ads against him — he’s “attacking our heroes” etc. Totally spurious; totally effective.

    I deeply admire Kasich, but for all the swing-for-the-fences conservatives out there, it’s worth considering that the sum total of lasting reform would likely have been greater if Kasich had been more cautious.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 5:21 AM PST
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  30. Palaeologus Inactive

    I’m still voting for him, but I sure wish Mitt would don a robe over that ambition of his.

    Hey Mitt, it’s not good politics to seem like you’re chasing the gig like a barfly circling the dude in the tailored suit.

    DrewInWisconsin

    K T Cat:

    Plus, weasels are vertebrates.

    That was awesome.

    Yes it was.

    Now I take a deep breath… and remember the comp.

    All better.

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    • October 26, 2011, at 5:25 AM PST
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