How to Derail a Train

 

After I graduated with a degree in Mechanical Engineering I went to work for FreightMaster, a company that manufactured end-of-car cushioning units for railcars. The units are huge shock absorbers that are installed behind railcar couplers to help cushion the “lading” (i.e, the stuff being transported). We would put strain gauges on the shafts of these shock absorbers and smash railcars together to test new designs. Very cool.

FreightMaster also sold simulators used to train locomotive engineers. A simulator consisted of a minicomputer attached to a control panel from a diesel-electric locomotive. A monitor connected to the computer told you how fast you were going, what your brake line air pressure was, whether you’d just gone off the rails, and so on. As part of the deal, FreigtMaster would “digitize” the routes that the engineers would someday drive and feed the routes into the simulator.

I did a bit of programming for the system and got to play a locomotive engineer. In the process, I found out how easy it is to derail a train. The most obvious way to do that is to take a curve too fast and let inertia do the rest. But there are more subtle ways to make it happen.

For example, if you accelerate on a curve, you put the train – which is like a long, stiff string – in tension. Too much tension, and you pull the string off the inside of the curve. Conversely, if you brake while in a curve, you put the string in compression. Too much compression and you push the string off the outside of the curve.

The strangest way to derail a train is via “resonance.” Resonance occurs when all the oscillations in a system reinforce – rather than offset – each other so that the system oscillates at a higher amplitude. If you’ve ever seen a video of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapsing, you have an idea of what resonance can do.

Trains tend to “rock” on American tracks because of the way in which the rails are laid. Rails are 39’ long so that they will fit inside a 40’ gondola car. When rails are laid, the joints are offset by half a rail, so that there is a joint on the track every 19.5’ – first on one rail and then on the next. The weight of the trains traveling over the joints causes them to “work,” and they end up being a bit lower than the rest of the track. As the cars roll over the joints, then, they dip a bit. This means that the cars “rock” as they dip first to one side and then to the other.

At 17.5 mph, the cars hit resonance. If they stay in resonance long enough, they can actually hop off the tracks. Therefore, the engineer must pass through 17.5 mph – whether he’s accelerating or decelerating – as quickly as possible.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Juliana (View Comment):
    I love trains! Both my grandfathers worked for the EJ&E in Joliet IL, one as a yardman, the other as a fireman (shoveling coal into the engine). My dad was told by his father never to work on the railroad because it was hard, dirty, dangerous work, but that didn’t stop him from loving every train he ever saw – and sharing that with me!

    My father used to always have fun with us as kids. When we passed under the railroad viaducts with a train passing over, he would say, “Ouch! Ooch! That train’s running over my head!” Dad worked as security for the Illinois Central and Burlington at times before I was born and he got on the Joliet Police Department. My maternal grandfather was also a railroad man in Columbus, Georgia. His father was the wrecking engineer I mentioned earlier in the thread.

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  2. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Juliana (View Comment):
    I love trains! Both my grandfathers worked for the EJ&E in Joliet IL, one as a yardman, the other as a fireman (shoveling coal into the engine). My dad was told by his father never to work on the railroad because it was hard, dirty, dangerous work, but that didn’t stop him from loving every train he ever saw – and sharing that with me!

    My father used to always have fun with us as kids. When we passed under the railroad viaducts with a train passing over, he would say, “Ouch! Ooch! That train’s running over my head!” Dad worked as security for the Illinois Central and Burlington at times before I was born and he got on the Joliet Police Department. My maternal grandfather was also a railroad man in Columbus, Georgia. His father was the wrecking engineer I mentioned earlier in the thread.

    What is a “wrecking engineer”?  I’ve never heard of the term.  I googled it but came up empty.

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  3. Percival Thatcher
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Juliana (View Comment):
    I love trains! Both my grandfathers worked for the EJ&E in Joliet IL, one as a yardman, the other as a fireman (shoveling coal into the engine). My dad was told by his father never to work on the railroad because it was hard, dirty, dangerous work, but that didn’t stop him from loving every train he ever saw – and sharing that with me!

    My father used to always have fun with us as kids. When we passed under the railroad viaducts with a train passing over, he would say, “Ouch! Ooch! That train’s running over my head!” Dad worked as security for the Illinois Central and Burlington at times before I was born and he got on the Joliet Police Department. My maternal grandfather was also a railroad man in Columbus, Georgia. His father was the wrecking engineer I mentioned earlier in the thread.

    My grandfather was sent a letter by his grandfather (that’s great-great- to me) explaining their shared first name. Great-great grandpa had been a mechanical engineer for the Illinois Central – City of New Orleans and all that. The letter was written on stationery with the IC letterhead.

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  4. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    There are a lot of neat trains and train museums in the U.S.  The Silverton-to-Durango narrow gauge in Colorado is great, and there’s a very good museum in Golden, Colorado as well.  There’s an old passenger train running out of Palestine, Texas that’s a fun ride.  The Chicago Museum of Science and Industry – which, let’s face it, has everything – has some amazing steam engines on display.  One of them is the biggest locomotive of any kind that I’ve ever seen.  On the island of Oahu, there’s a small train museum with a great model train layout.  There’s also a narrow gauge sugar cane train that you can ride.  The trains ran on small, portable track that could be easily moved through the fields during sugar cane harvest season.  Houston’s Museum of Natural Science also has an excellent model train exhibit.  

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Please forgive me for not remembering this earlier:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7eQPm5e-lE

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  6. Arahant Member
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):
    What is a “wrecking engineer”? I’ve never heard of the term. I googled it but came up empty.

    He was a mechanical engineer in charge of investigating and cleaning up train wrecks.

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  7. Arahant Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    My grandfather was sent a letter by his grandfather (that’s great-great- to me) explaining their shared first name.

    Must have been an interesting first name.

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    There are a lot of neat trains and train museums in the U.S. The Silverton-to-Durango narrow gauge in Colorado is great, and there’s a very good museum in Golden, Colorado as well. There’s an old passenger train running out of Palestine, Texas that’s a fun ride. The Chicago Museum of Science and Industry – which, let’s face it, has everything – has some amazing steam engines on display. One of them is the biggest locomotive of any kind that I’ve ever seen. On the island of Oahu, there’s a small train museum with a great model train layout. There’s also a narrow gauge sugar cane train that you can ride. The trains ran on small, portable track that could be easily moved through the fields during sugar cane harvest season. Houston’s Museum of Natural Science also has an excellent model train exhibit.

    The ATSF 2903? The museum restored it, but couldn’t display it indoors (too heavy) so they in turn donated it to the Illinois Railway Museum in 1995.

    The 999 is still there. It set the land speed record of 112.5 mph in 1893.

     

     

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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    My grandfather was sent a letter by his grandfather (that’s great-great- to me) explaining their shared first name.

    Must have been an interesting first name.

    Addison.

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  10. Miffed White Male Member
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):
    On the island of Oahu, there’s a small train museum with a great model train layout. There’s also a narrow gauge sugar cane train that you can ride.

    The sugar train is on Maui, if memory serves.

     

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  11. Arahant Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    Addison.

    “Son of Adam.” Started as a surname, of course.

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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Addison.

    “Son of Adam.” Started as a surname, of course.

    They filtched it off of Joseph Addison, co-founder of The Spectator and author of Cato, from which “I regret that I have but one life to give for my country” and “Give me liberty or give me death” come from. Somebody really liked his writing.

    That was all in the letter.

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  13. TBA Coolidge
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    I have always loved transportation since I worked three summers in the traffic department at the Ford Motor Co. parts depot in Seattle. The railroad ruined three Mustang hoods before they learned not to pack them in the rail car on their edges.
    I have been married twice. My first husband was a mechanical engineer designing Kenworth trucks. Current hubby helps design airplanes. No trains, though. I did learn lots about rail freight working with a consultant, and I still love watching long trains go by. On our trip to South Dakota we saw some really long coal trains coming out of the Powder River area of Wyoming.

    Better luck on your next husband ;) 

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  14. TBA Coolidge
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    I don’t think it’s possible to stop rails from expanding and contracting. I think you have your engineering wrong.

    I’ve just learned that

    • it is possible to stop rails from expanding and contracting, and
    • you don’t have your engineering wrong.

    So my first statement was correct (I did think that) but what I thought was not.

    The second statement simply incorrect. It was the product of my arrogance and ignorance.

    My first mistake was in thinking of a very long stretch of welded track as something that would want to stretch by a lot (true) when heated, and that the longer it wanted to be, the greater the (unopposed) force would be (false). I forgot that the longer the unwelded section, the greater the cumulative resistance (at the ends) to changes in length from the connection individual ties.

    My second mistake was to forget that static friction has to be overcome before there is any movement.

    My third was simply to guess that the thermal force on steel would have to swamp any opposing forces due to mere wooden ties (wood being soft) sitting in rock ballast (a loose pile) with spikes holding rail to tie (not a solid joint but a “sliding” one).

    The problem of three static frictions is a boolean one; only one of the friction sources–the smallest–matters at all at first. It turns out that the weakest source of static longitudinal resistance is the interface between the tie and the ballast.

    My fourth was to fail to realize that the per-unit of length resistance force is constant, but the net thermal force increases steadily as you move from the middle of the section (no force at all!) to the ends. At some distance from the center, the track suddenly breaks free and the ties all move, to the ends.

    Is there a physicist in the house to give this guy his penance? 

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  15. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):
    On the island of Oahu, there’s a small train museum with a great model train layout. There’s also a narrow gauge sugar cane train that you can ride.

    The sugar train is on Maui, if memory serves.

    The one my wife and I rode was on Oahu, not far from Ewa Beach:
    http://www.hawaiianrailway.com/

    I did a little googling and there’s also one on Maui:
    https://www.sugarcanetrain.com/

    Good to know, thanks!

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  16. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    TBA (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    I have always loved transportation since I worked three summers in the traffic department at the Ford Motor Co. parts depot in Seattle. The railroad ruined three Mustang hoods before they learned not to pack them in the rail car on their edges.
    I have been married twice. My first husband was a mechanical engineer designing Kenworth trucks. Current hubby helps design airplanes. No trains, though. I did learn lots about rail freight working with a consultant, and I still love watching long trains go by. On our trip to South Dakota we saw some really long coal trains coming out of the Powder River area of Wyoming.

    Better luck on your next husband ;)

    Husband number two might like the Glenn Curtis Museum in Hammondsport, New York.  Curtis was a competitor of the Wright Brothers and he invented the seaplane.  A lot of American pilots, including Charles Lindbergh, learned to fly on one of his “Jenny” biplanes.

    I ran into a lecturer (on sea turtles and the like) who has a cottage nearby and volunteers to work in the Museum’s workshop during the summer.  While I was there, they were rebuilding an old biplane that someone had found in a barn somewhere.  Sounds like the ultimate retirement gig!

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    I have always loved transportation since I worked three summers in the traffic department at the Ford Motor Co. parts depot in Seattle. The railroad ruined three Mustang hoods before they learned not to pack them in the rail car on their edges.
    I have been married twice. My first husband was a mechanical engineer designing Kenworth trucks. Current hubby helps design airplanes. No trains, though. I did learn lots about rail freight working with a consultant, and I still love watching long trains go by. On our trip to South Dakota we saw some really long coal trains coming out of the Powder River area of Wyoming.

    Better luck on your next husband ;)

    Husband number two might like the Glenn Curtis Museum in Hammondsport, New York. Curtis was a competitor of the Wright Brothers and he invented the seaplane. A lot of American pilots, including Charles Lindbergh, learned to fly on one of his “Jenny” biplanes.

    I ran into a lecturer (on sea turtles and the like) who has a cottage nearby and volunteers to work in the Museum’s workshop during the summer. While I was there, they were rebuilding an old biplane that someone had found in a barn somewhere. Sounds like the ultimate retirement gig!

    “Barn finds” can be okay for some things – old airplanes for example, it seems – but tragic for others: vintage computers.

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  18. Maguffin Inactive
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    I don’t think it’s possible to stop rails from expanding and contracting. I think you have your engineering wrong.

    I’ve just learned that

    • it is possible to stop rails from expanding and contracting, and
    • you don’t have your engineering wrong.

    So my first statement was correct (I did think that) but what I thought was not.

    The second statement simply incorrect. It was the product of my arrogance and ignorance.

    My first mistake was in thinking of a very long stretch of welded track as something that would want to stretch by a lot (true) when heated, and that the longer it wanted to be, the greater the (unopposed) force would be (false). I forgot that the longer the unwelded section, the greater the cumulative resistance (at the ends) to changes in length from the connection individual ties.

    My second mistake was to forget that static friction has to be overcome before there is any movement.

    My third was simply to guess that the thermal force on steel would have to swamp any opposing forces due to mere wooden ties (wood being soft) sitting in rock ballast (a loose pile) with spikes holding rail to tie (not a solid joint but a “sliding” one).

    The problem of three static frictions is a boolean one; only one of the friction sources–the smallest–matters at all at first. It turns out that the weakest source of static longitudinal resistance is the interface between the tie and the ballast.

    My fourth was to fail to realize that the per-unit of length resistance force is constant, but the net thermal force increases steadily as you move from the middle of the section (no force at all!) to the ends. At some distance from the center, the track suddenly breaks free and the ties all move, to the ends.

    Is there a physicist in the house to give this guy his penance?

    Now I remember why I didn’t finish that mechanical engineering degree.

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  19. Mark Camp Member
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    Maguffin (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    I don’t think it’s possible to stop rails from expanding and contracting. I think you have your engineering wrong.

    I’ve just learned that

    • it is possible to stop rails from expanding and contracting, and
    • you don’t have your engineering wrong.

    So my first statement was correct (I did think that) but what I thought was not.

    The second statement simply incorrect. It was the product of my arrogance and ignorance.

    My first mistake was in thinking of a very long stretch of welded track as something that would want to stretch by a lot (true) when heated, and that the longer it wanted to be, the greater the (unopposed) force would be (false). I forgot that the longer the unwelded section, the greater the cumulative resistance (at the ends) to changes in length from the connection individual ties.

    My second mistake was to forget that static friction has to be overcome before there is any movement.

    My third was simply to guess that the thermal force on steel would have to swamp any opposing forces due to mere wooden ties (wood being soft) sitting in rock ballast (a loose pile) with spikes holding rail to tie (not a solid joint but a “sliding” one).

    The problem of three static frictions is a boolean one; only one of the friction sources–the smallest–matters at all at first. It turns out that the weakest source of static longitudinal resistance is the interface between the tie and the ballast.

    My fourth was to fail to realize that the per-unit of length resistance force is constant, but the net thermal force increases steadily as you move from the middle of the section (no force at all!) to the ends. At some distance from the center, the track suddenly breaks free and the ties all move, to the ends.

    Is there a physicist in the house to give this guy his penance?

    Now I remember why I didn’t finish that mechanical engineering degree.

    I admire you for getting even part way there.  EE was easy…that’s why I picked it. Plus, minus charges.  When it started to get tricky (magnetic fields, EM radiation) all you had to do was switch to digital design.  Yes, No, Or, And.

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  20. Maguffin Inactive
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Maguffin (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    I don’t think it’s possible to stop rails from expanding and contracting. I think you have your engineering wrong.

    I’ve just learned that

    • it is possible to stop rails from expanding and contracting, and
    • you don’t have your engineering wrong.

    So my first statement was correct (I did think that) but what I thought was not.

    The second statement simply incorrect. It was the product of my arrogance and ignorance.

    My first mistake was in thinking of a very long stretch of welded track as something that would want to stretch by a lot (true) when heated, and that the longer it wanted to be, the greater the (unopposed) force would be (false). I forgot that the longer the unwelded section, the greater the cumulative resistance (at the ends) to changes in length from the connection individual ties.

    My second mistake was to forget that static friction has to be overcome before there is any movement.

    My third was simply to guess that the thermal force on steel would have to swamp any opposing forces due to mere wooden ties (wood being soft) sitting in rock ballast (a loose pile) with spikes holding rail to tie (not a solid joint but a “sliding” one).

    The problem of three static frictions is a boolean one; only one of the friction sources–the smallest–matters at all at first. It turns out that the weakest source of static longitudinal resistance is the interface between the tie and the ballast.

    My fourth was to fail to realize that the per-unit of length resistance force is constant, but the net thermal force increases steadily as you move from the middle of the section (no force at all!) to the ends. At some distance from the center, the track suddenly breaks free and the ties all move, to the ends.

    Is there a physicist in the house to give this guy his penance?

    Now I remember why I didn’t finish that mechanical engineering degree.

    I admire you for getting even part way there. EE was easy…that’s why I picked it. Plus, minus charges. When it started to get tricky (magnetic fields, EM radiation) all you had to do was switch to digital design. Yes, No, Or, And.

    I ended up with a computer information systems degree, so I took an easier option.  Later.  After flunking out several times.  I think there’s a toilet named after me at Kansas State University because I flushed so much money down it.

    The Statics textbook that started with the phrase ‘It should be intuitively obvious to the casual observer…’ for a discussion about something that I observed to not be intuitive, obvious, or even casual…well, that was the last straw.

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  21. Arahant Member
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    Maguffin (View Comment):
    The Statics textbook that started with the phrase ‘It should be intuitively obvious to the casual observer…’ for a discussion about something that I observed to not be intuitive, obvious, or even casual…well, that was the last straw.

    One of the best jokes ever sneaked into a textbook.

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Maguffin (View Comment):
    I ended up with a computer information systems degree, so I took an easier option. Later. After flunking out several times. I think there’s a toilet named after me at Kansas State University because I flushed so much money down it.

    Not only that, your name has become a hallowed part of the popular lexicon!

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  23. Miffed White Male Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Maguffin (View Comment):
    The Statics textbook that started with the phrase ‘It should be intuitively obvious to the casual observer…’ for a discussion about something that I observed to not be intuitive, obvious, or even casual…well, that was the last straw.

    One of the best jokes ever sneaked into a textbook.

    A famous math professor was giving a lecture during which he said “it is obvious that…” and then he paused at length in thought, and then excused himself from the lecture temporarily. He returned about fifteen minutes later carrying two textbooks and said “I was right, it is obvious that….” and continued the lecture.

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  24. Seawriter Contributor
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    There are a lot of neat trains and train museums in the U.S. The Silverton-to-Durango narrow gauge in Colorado is great, and there’s a very good museum in Golden, Colorado as well. There’s an old passenger train running out of Palestine, Texas that’s a fun ride. The Chicago Museum of Science and Industry – which, let’s face it, has everything – has some amazing steam engines on display. One of them is the biggest locomotive of any kind that I’ve ever seen. On the island of Oahu, there’s a small train museum with a great model train layout. There’s also a narrow gauge sugar cane train that you can ride. The trains ran on small, portable track that could be easily moved through the fields during sugar cane harvest season. Houston’s Museum of Natural Science also has an excellent model train exhibit.

    Back in the 1990s I wrote one of the play performed on the Texas State Railroad’s annual Murder on the Disoriented Express. It was an interesting exercise. It started at Palestine, you had four stops, during which the cast rotated among the cars providing clues and at the Wye (before you got to Maydelle) the murder occurred. I wrote two others that were not performed.

    If you are in the Houston area and interested in model train layouts check out the Texas City Museum. They have an impressive one. 

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  25. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Maguffin (View Comment):
    The Statics textbook that started with the phrase ‘It should be intuitively obvious to the casual observer…’ for a discussion about something that I observed to not be intuitive, obvious, or even casual…well, that was the last straw.

    One of the best jokes ever sneaked into a textbook.

    A famous math professor was giving a lecture during which he said “it is obvious that…” and then he paused at length in thought, and then excused himself from the lecture temporarily. He returned about fifteen minutes later carrying two textbooks and said “I was right, it is obvious that….” and continued the lecture.

    I’m glad I waited before I told that one.

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  26. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Rod Stewart has a pretty impressive layout.  I’ve seen a video, but can’t find it.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/rod-stewart-model-trains

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I have just learned a lot 

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  28. TBA Coolidge
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  29. Juliana Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Juliana (View Comment):
    I love trains! Both my grandfathers worked for the EJ&E in Joliet IL, one as a yardman, the other as a fireman (shoveling coal into the engine). My dad was told by his father never to work on the railroad because it was hard, dirty, dangerous work, but that didn’t stop him from loving every train he ever saw – and sharing that with me!

    My father used to always have fun with us as kids. When we passed under the railroad viaducts with a train passing over, he would say, “Ouch! Ooch! That train’s running over my head!” Dad worked as security for the Illinois Central and Burlington at times before I was born and he got on the Joliet Police Department. My maternal grandfather was also a railroad man in Columbus, Georgia. His father was the wrecking engineer I mentioned earlier in the thread.

    My uncle was sheriff for Will County, but he started on the Joliet Police force and was Chief of Police before being elected to sheriff.

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  30. Arahant Member
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    Juliana (View Comment):
    My uncle was sheriff for Will County, but he started on the Joliet Police force and was Chief of Police before being elected to sheriff.

    Which one? (I left more than thirty years ago, and all of my family who were there either left or died.) If you don’t want to say out loud, PM me.

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