Winter Is Coming

 

People talk about the country being on the verge of civil war. I think we are already there. It’s just that the left has known about it for years while the right has been mostly oblivious to it and in denial. Think of our attitude towards Al Qaeda before 9/11.

I think of the pre-2016 Republican Party as General McClellan and Trump as General Grant of whom Lincoln famously said, “I can’t spare this man. He fights!”

If you’re a conservative, and you haven’t realized this yet, then you’re the frog in the pot of water slowly approaching a boil. Time will tell whether you recognize what’s happening before it’s too late to change it. I suspect the left has overplayed their hand, and the frog is figuring it out and will jump just in the nick of time. We’ll find out in November.

Winter is coming.

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  1. Bob Thompson Member
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    JesseMcVay: People talk about the country being on the verge of civil war. I think we are already there.

    Some, in the past, have called these civil wars the cousins’ wars. How many are now witnessing the parent-(grand)child-sibling war besides me.

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  2. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    @CACrabtree

    OK.  The obvious has been stated.  Now, what do Conservatives do?  Just keep sitting around?  

    I took a look at the Ohio Tea Party website a few days ago and they seem to be more interested in bickering about mandatory masks than what is going with the Presidential Campaign.  If they’re concerned about Democratic power grabs such as packing the Supreme court and statehood for D.C., they’re not showing it.  

    I’m not sure what’s going on with Conservative grassroots organizations in other states but if it’s anything like Ohio, then I see a cause for concern…great concern.

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  3. Suspira Member
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    @Suspira

    If we are truly in a civil war, then a presidential election is the least of our problems. How do we fight this war? What possible end can there be to it?

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  4. JesseMcVay Coolidge
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    If we are truly in a civil war, then a presidential election is the least of our problems. How do we fight this war? What possible end can there be to it?

    On the contrary.  The presidential election is problem #1, and the Senate is problem #2.  If Republicans lose one of those, we are wounded, but not defeated.  If we lose both, I don’t see any way we are not doomed.

     

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  5. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I’m not sure what’s going on with Conservative grassroots organizations in other states but if it’s anything like Ohio, then I see a cause for concern…great concern.

    Grass roots conservatives in Texas are hugely (huuuugely) behind Trump.  There is a Trump train every weekend in our county and Trump signs abound.

    Someone actually took a Trump sign that sat by my roadside gate for months.  I have a new one up with a game camera watching it. 

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  6. Suspira Member
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    JesseMcVay (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    If we are truly in a civil war, then a presidential election is the least of our problems. How do we fight this war? What possible end can there be to it?

    On the contrary. The presidential election is problem #1, and the Senate is problem #2. If Republicans lose one of those, we are wounded, but not defeated. If we lose both, I don’t see any way we are not doomed.

     

    The war will continue either way.

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  7. danok1 Member
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    @danok1

    As noted on another thread, Civil War 2 will not be like Civil War 1.

    CW1 was a war between nation-states.

    CW2 will likely be a mix of the Spanish Civil War, the Troubles, and the Yugoslav wars.

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  8. Bob Thompson Member
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    If we are truly in a civil war, then a presidential election is the least of our problems. How do we fight this war? What possible end can there be to it?

    18 U.S. Code § 2385.Advocating overthrow of Government

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  9. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    danok1 (View Comment):

    As noted on another thread, Civil War 2 will not be like Civil War 1.

    CW1 was a war between nation-states.

    CW2 will likely be a mix of the Spanish Civil War, the Troubles, and the Yugoslav wars.

    And all three conflicts were bloody messes.  

    Many conflicts begin when one side totally misinterprets the other.  When watching the situation still unfolding, I get the sense that the Left thinks it is unstoppable and that they can continue to use our respect for the law (and their disrespect for it) as their ticket to total power.  

    The flashpoint has yet to be reached.  What will it be?

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  10. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I’m well aware of what is going on, although I resist the temptation to call it a civil war–that is just too terrifying to contemplate. But I do know this country is in deep trouble and I see no one sign of it letting up. Threats from Chuck Schumer to demonstrate their hatred even more vehemently; Nancy Pelosi threatening (oh please) to impeach Donald Trump. And the DOJ threatening to make New York, Portland and Seattle officially anarchies. Bad, really bad.

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  11. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    OK. The obvious has been stated. Now, what do Conservatives do? Just keep sitting around?

    I took a look at the Ohio Tea Party website a few days ago and they seem to be more interested in bickering about mandatory masks than what is going with the Presidential Campaign. If they’re concerned about Democratic power grabs such as packing the Supreme court and statehood for D.C., they’re not showing it.

    I’m not sure what’s going on with Conservative grassroots organizations in other states but if it’s anything like Ohio, then I see a cause for concern…great concern.

    Irrelevant grifters at this point? “Tea Party” organisations became another scam for political operatives years back.

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  12. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    JesseMcVay: People talk about the country being on the verge of civil war. I think we are already there.

    Some, in the past, have called these civil wars the cousins’ wars. How many are now witnessing the parent-(grand)child-sibling war besides me.

    The cousins wars was the description of a multiple century series of clashes that started in the English Civil War. The claim was that core U.S. Civil War combatants were descendents of the towns/counties from which the much older quarrel arose.

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  13. James Gawron Thatcher
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    JesseMcVay: Winter is coming.

    Jesse,

    Why yes Winter. They have overplayed their hand.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  14. Manny Member
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    I’ll tell you has realized this. Donald Trump.  I’ll tell who hasn’t, the Rinos.  I’ll tell you who are the left’s useful idiots in this war, the NeverTrumpers. 

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  15. Ray Gunner Coolidge
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    JesseMcVay: People talk about the country being on the verge of civil war. I think we are already there. It’s just that the left has known about it for years while the right has been mostly oblivious to it and in denial. 

    I’ll call and raise:  Looking back, I think we have been in a civil war for about 25 years.  To be sure, it has been a covert civil war.  And it has not been a civil war for the control of territory.  It has been a civil war for America’s cultural institutions.  What I’m realizing in 2020 is just how much cultural territory the left has taken, and how blithely conservatives conceded so much of it.   I don’t think it is an accident that it is now–now that the left plainly has control of media/entertainment/K-12/academia/the foundations/Big Tech–that they have finally shown the confidence to seize actual control of actual land (CHOP/CHAZ).   

    This civil war is over cultural territory.  We need to take that territory back if the principles of the Founding are going to survive. 

     

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  16. JamesSalerno Coolidge
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    We’ve really been in this position since the secession crisis of the 1860’s (or even the South Carolina nullification issue). We replaced our old order of Federalism with Nationalism and one-size-fits-all government. All of the growth and centralization of power has just snowballed since then. We can’t just blame the New Deal or the Great Society or World Wars. These are all outgrowths of Nationalist government.

    A civil war is two powers fighting over the same seat of power. We did not have a civil war in the 1860’s. The Confederacy was denied their right to secede. If we get an actual civil war, it will be much bloodier, like the Balkan Wars mentioned above. A catastrophic number of people would unfortunately be stuck on the wrong side of the battle lines. It won’t be as simple as north vs. south.

    Federalism is the only way to avoid this. If California wants socialized medicine or a Green New Deal, let them have it. As long as the other states don’t have to pay for it. And if that still doesn’t solve the problem, let them secede. The same goes for any other state. We can solve all of these problems by letting the states compete in the marketplace of ideas. The human capital will move to the states with the better ideas. The states with the bad ideas would be forced to change course. No federal bailouts at the other states’ expense. I find this a much more attractive solution to civil war.

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  17. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    OK. The obvious has been stated. Now, what do Conservatives do? Just keep sitting around?

    I took a look at the Ohio Tea Party website a few days ago and they seem to be more interested in bickering about mandatory masks than what is going with the Presidential Campaign. If they’re concerned about Democratic power grabs such as packing the Supreme court and statehood for D.C., they’re not showing it.

    I’m not sure what’s going on with Conservative grassroots organizations in other states but if it’s anything like Ohio, then I see a cause for concern…great concern.

    Irrelevant grifters at this point? “Tea Party” organisations became another scam for political operatives years back.

    Which gets back to my original question.  I see a lot of “we have to do this” and “we have to do that” but I see very little being done.  No doubt the Tea Parties are a relic of the past but I see nothing that has taken their place.

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    danok1 (View Comment):

    As noted on another thread, Civil War 2 will not be like Civil War 1.

    CW1 was a war between nation-states.

    CW2 will likely be a mix of the Spanish Civil War, the Troubles, and the Yugoslav wars.

    And all three conflicts were bloody messes.

    Many conflicts begin when one side totally misinterprets the other. When watching the situation still unfolding, I get the sense that the Left thinks it is unstoppable and that they can continue to use our respect for the law (and their disrespect for it) as their ticket to total power.

    The flashpoint has yet to be reached. What will it be?

    I’ll let you know five years after it happens.

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    James Gawron (View Comment):

    JesseMcVay: Winter is coming.

    Jesse,

    Why yes Winter. They have overplayed their han

    That winter is a fake winter. I’ve seen a lot worse fakes in the movies, though. Even in Russian movies, which generally do winters better than ours. 

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  20. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    @ChrisCampion

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    JesseMcVay: Winter is coming.

    Jesse,

    Why yes Winter. They have overplayed their han

    That winter is a fake winter. I’ve seen a lot worse fakes in the movies, though. Even in Russian movies, which generally do winters better than ours.

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  21. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    @Tex929rr

    CACrabtree (View Comment):.

    Many conflicts begin when one side totally misinterprets the other. When watching the situation still unfolding, I get the sense that the Left thinks it is unstoppable and that they can continue to use our respect for the law (and their disrespect for it) as their ticket to total power.

    The flashpoint has yet to be reached. What will it be?

    This has worked well for the left for so long.  Look at SCOTUS nominations.  Robert Bork was attacked 33 years ago – that’s when the left started playing hardball, and yet we still have Senators Collins, Murkowski, and Mittens getting the vapors.  Sotomayor lied in her confirmation hearing – she voted contrary to what she stated during her hearings within a month after arriving at the court, yet was treated more than fairly by Republicans.  I sort of look forward to seeing intellectual lightweights like Corey Booker and Kamala Harris trying to outmaneuver Barrett or Lagoa. 

    I think electing Trump was the first step in the pushback.  Assuming he wins in November, I don’t think it will take long for us to reach the flashpoint. 

     

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