Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. RBG’s Last Hearing

 

There is an oft-used cartoonist’s cliché to depict various celebrities and political figures ascending to Heaven when they die. Some celebrities it can always be argued, are worthier of such lofty praise than others. While it’s fine to offer one’s sincere hopes and wishes that certain individuals gain entrance to Heaven, for those of us who believe, and that the Lord has mercy on their souls, it should be understood that simply being steadfast in one’s beliefs or consistent in one’s actions on Earth, don’t necessarily guarantee entrance…particularly if those actions and beliefs run counter to the Commandments and teachings of Our Lord.

It’s certainly a sign of grace to pray for the soul of Ruth Bader Ginsberg and the souls of anyone in hopes that they receive a fair hearing before their Judge in hopes of attaining eternal salvation and paradise… but it’s probably unwise to assume what the Lord may or may not do.

Everyone has the option of believing the ramblings of a wayward celebrity Catholic bishop (even Ben Shapiro), who by his own admission, is not that holy, who claims that Hell is an empty place. You also may believe or “imagine” like many of those singing the dubiously “profound” John Lennon song on the steps of the Supreme Court last night, that there isn’t a Heaven or Hell at all, which doesn’t give the late Supreme Court justice’s soul any options but obliteration. And everyone can also dismiss the warning of St. Padre Pio, a much more devout 20th Century Catholic priest than the aforementioned bishop, who routinely bled from the same wounds that Christ did during his Passion and upon the cross, who once said when asked about those who didn’t believe in Hell, “They’ll believe in Hell when they get there.”

I pray that Ruth Bader Ginsberg gets a fair hearing no matter what the verdict from a court that is more supreme than the one upon which she sat even as that probably wouldn’t make a compelling cartoon.

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  1. kedavis Member

    Indeed, the idea of the “deathbed conversion” which means that everyone can be redeemed just by saying (or thinking, or whatever) “I’m sorry” when faced by God or St Peter or whoever, would mean that there’s really no reason for anyone to “behave” while on Earth. Only the totally insane would continue to deny that they did wrong when confronted by the one whose rules they broke. And the totally insane might also get a pass, because they’re totally insane. So, what’s the point? If Hitler still gets into heaven because he realizes it was wrong to kill the Jews and etc, and RBG still gets into heaven after decades of believing and ruling that it’s okay for women to kill their unborn children etc, then, as the song (I think) goes, “what is Heaven for?” Let alone, what is Hell for?

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  2. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Let alone, what is Hell for?

    I believe in hell, and I believe that everyone who goes to hell goes there because they do not choose God, using their free will. In other words, if there is no hell, there is no free will.

    I don’t know if RBG would chose no God/hell, but I am sure that the aborted children have been heard and marked by the Lord. May God have mercy on her soul.

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  3. kedavis Member

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):
    May God have mercy on her soul.

    Meaning, you hope God lets her into Heaven anyway? Why?

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  4. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Meaning, you hope God lets her into Heaven anyway? Why?

    Because I don’t think she was evil, or hated God. I think she was wrong. I hope God has mercy on her because I hope God has mercy on me.

    Also, you will likely disagree, but I think God does not “decide” if we go to heaven or hell; we do. We have the choice to try to love God or not. I believe there are some people who hate God and don’t want to be with Him for all eternity. I don’t know anywhere near enough about RBG to know if she is one of them.

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  5. kedavis Member

    Well that’s one perspective. I’m just not sure it’s very…. useful?

    When God has rules that say “don’t murder” and someone believes “I know what God says, but I believe murder is okay” you think it doesn’t matter as long as they “love” God?

    That’s a hard sell.

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  6. Instugator Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Indeed, the idea of the “deathbed conversion” which means that everyone can be redeemed just by saying (or thinking, or whatever) “I’m sorry” when faced by God or St Peter or whoever, would mean that there’s really no reason for anyone to “behave” while on Earth

    The thief on the cross would like to disagree with you.

    That was a deathbed conversion if there ever was one.

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  7. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    you think it doesn’t matter

    You are putting words and thoughts into my mouth. I never said those things.

    Try to focus, please.

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    Brian Watt: it should be understood that simply being steadfast in one’s beliefs or consistent in one’s actions on Earth, don’t necessarily guarantee entrance…particularly if those actions and beliefs run counter to the Commandments and teachings of Our Lord.

    I pray for the Supreme Court en banc, plus both houses of Congress. The president too, particularly the last two; whether he be a pompous, preening, narcissistic dimwit – or Donald Trump.

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  9. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):
    I am sure that the aborted children have been heard and marked by the Lord. May God have mercy on her soul.

    This comment from myself above makes it pretty clear that I know that RBG has plenty to answer for.

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  10. Percival Thatcher
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    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Meaning, you hope God lets her into Heaven anyway? Why?

    Because I don’t think she was evil, or hated God. I think she was wrong. I hope God has mercy on her because I hope God has mercy on me.

    Also, you will likely disagree, but I think God does not “decide” if we go to heaven or hell; we do. We have the choice to try to love God or not. I believe there are some people who hate God and don’t want to be with Him for all eternity. I don’t know anywhere near enough about RBG to know if she is one of them.

    Amen to every word.

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  11. kedavis Member

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):
    I am sure that the aborted children have been heard and marked by the Lord. May God have mercy on her soul.

    This comment from myself above makes it pretty clear that I know that RBG has plenty to answer for.

    So then if not exclusion from Heaven, what does “answer for” mean to you?

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  12. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    So then if not exclusion from Heaven, what does “answer for” mean to you?

    I never said she was going to heaven.

    I never said she was going to hell.

    I said she has a lot to answer for.

    I said may God have mercy on her soul.

    Whether or not RBG is going to heaven is not my business.

    Getting there myself is my business.

    I pray that God has mercy on lots of people, even if I think they are doing wrong, because I want God to have mercy on me.

    Fortunately God has not put me in charge of deciding who goes where, so I don’t need to worry about it.

    I look forward to meeting many people in heaven.

    I hope we’ll meet up there, and then we can both find out if RBG made it or not.

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  13. Gary Robbins Reagan

    I like the cartoon. Nino and Ruth’s friendship was epic.

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  14. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I like the cartoon. Nino and Ruth’s friendship was epic.

    That’s very nice, but it’s completely not the point of this post.

    This post is more about whether or not it is useful to assume that everyone waltzes into heaven after death.

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  15. Randy Webster Member

    Ramirez’s caption can be read two ways.

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  16. Stad Thatcher

    I think RBG (like Ayn Rand), will make it through the Pearly Gates. Upon entering, she’ll slap her forehead and remark, “Oy vey, I was wrong about so many things. Sorry about that, Big Guy.”

    God will answer, “No problem. The Son my Chosen People don’t believe in took care of all that.”

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  17. Brian Watt Member
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    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I like the cartoon. Nino and Ruth’s friendship was epic.

    That’s very nice, but it’s completely not the point of this post.

    This post is more about whether or not it is useful to assume that everyone waltzes into heaven after death.

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    Stad (View Comment):

    I think RBG (like Ayn Rand), will make it through the Pearly Gates. Upon entering, she’ll slap her forehead and remark, “Oy vey, I was wrong about so many things. Sorry about that, Big Guy.”

    God will answer, “No problem. The Son my Chosen People don’t believe in took care of all that.”

    Which means that EVERYONE goes to heaven, right? And hell is, indeed, empty.

    Because, as I wrote before, only a truly insane person would tell the Writer Of All Laws, “No, that’s not what your laws mean!” And the insane person would likely get a break too, for being insane.

    Even if “loving God” is all it takes, doesn’t someone who SAYS (writes, whatever) “I love God” and maybe claims to be a Catholic or whatever, actually SHOW that they DON’T if, at the same time they profess their “love,” they’re out there if not actually killing unborn children themselves, they’re telling others that it’s okay, and so forth?

    If that gets a pass too, then, again, EVERYONE goes to heaven, and hell is, indeed, empty.

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  19. Kozak Member
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    I find it hard to believe anyone who is a proponent of abortion, and has taken action over and over in their life to ensure it continues is a likely candidate of heaven.

    60 million.

    Way more than Hitlers pile of corpses.

    More than Stalins pile.

    Almost as many as Mao’s.

    Every one an innocent.

    She had lots of help, but she also was one of just a handful of people who could end it.

    I don’t care who she was friends with, I don’t care how nice she was in person. I don’t care if she was a brilliant scholar of law.

    I don’t care if she loved puppies.

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  20. kedavis Member

    Kozak (View Comment):

    I find it hard to believe anyone who is a proponent of abortion, and has taken action over and over in their life to ensure it continues is a likely candidate of heaven.

    60 million.

    Way more than Hitlers pile of corpses.

    More than Stalins pile.

    Almost as many as Mao’s.

    Every one an innocent.

    She had lots of help, but she also was one of just a handful of people who could end it.

    I don’t care who she was friends with, I don’t care how nice she was in person. I don’t care if she was a brilliant scholar of law.

    I don’t care if she loved puppies.

    I don’t even care if she loved KITTENS!!!

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  21. Brian Watt Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    I find it hard to believe anyone who is a proponent of abortion, and has taken action over and over in their life to ensure it continues is a likely candidate of heaven.

    60 million.

    Way more than Hitlers pile of corpses.

    More than Stalins pile.

    Almost as many as Mao’s.

    Every one an innocent.

    She had lots of help, but she also was one of just a handful of people who could end it.

    I don’t care who she was friends with, I don’t care how nice she was in person. I don’t care if she was a brilliant scholar of law.

    I don’t care if she loved puppies.

    Even Golden Retriever puppies? Asking for an avatar.

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  22. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    maybe claims to be a Catholic or whatever, actually SHOW that they DON’T if, at the same time they profess their “love,” they’re out there if not actually killing unborn children themselves, they’re telling others that it’s okay, and so forth?

    I actually think that “Catholic” politicians like Pelosi, Biden, and Cuomo(rbidity) will have a lot more to answer for than people like Ginsburg, since their professed faith teaches clearly that abortion is always morally evil so they have less excuse of being mistaken or ignorant.

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  23. kedavis Member

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    maybe claims to be a Catholic or whatever, actually SHOW that they DON’T if, at the same time they profess their “love,” they’re out there if not actually killing unborn children themselves, they’re telling others that it’s okay, and so forth?

    I actually think that “Catholic” politicians like Pelosi, Biden, and Cuomo(rbidity) will have a lot more to answer for than people like Ginsburg, since their professed faith teaches clearly that abortion is always morally evil so they have less excuse of being mistaken or ignorant.

    Let’s see. Doesn’t that mean that fanatical muslim jihadists who maybe blow themselves up as close as they can to as many infidels as possible, are okay because they (presumably sincerely) believe their god tells them to do it?

    At least they’re not, you know, HYPOCRITES or something.

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  24. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    maybe claims to be a Catholic or whatever, actually SHOW that they DON’T if, at the same time they profess their “love,” they’re out there if not actually killing unborn children themselves, they’re telling others that it’s okay, and so forth?

    I actually think that “Catholic” politicians like Pelosi, Biden, and Cuomo(rbidity) will have a lot more to answer for than people like Ginsburg, since their professed faith teaches clearly that abortion is always morally evil so they have less excuse of being mistaken or ignorant.

    Let’s see. Doesn’t that mean that fanatical muslim jihadists who maybe blow themselves up as close as they can to as many infidels as possible, are okay because they (presumably sincerely) believe their god tells them to do it?

    At least they’re not, you know, HYPOCRITES or something.

    I’m not sure who you’re arguing with, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t me.

    It’s very tiresome to deal with your constant misrepresentations of what I think or have said.

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  25. E. Kent Golding Member

    I am praying to receive mercy, not justice, when I die. If I get justice, I am doomed. 

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  26. Instugator Thatcher
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    I am praying to receive mercy, not justice, when I die. If I get justice, I am doomed.

    Amen

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  27. Percival Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    I think RBG (like Ayn Rand), will make it through the Pearly Gates. Upon entering, she’ll slap her forehead and remark, “Oy vey, I was wrong about so many things. Sorry about that, Big Guy.”

    God will answer, “No problem. The Son my Chosen People don’t believe in took care of all that.”

    Which means that EVERYONE goes to heaven, right? And hell is, indeed, empty.

    Because, as I wrote before, only a truly insane person would tell the Writer Of All Laws, “No, that’s not what your laws mean!” And the insane person would likely get a break too, for being insane.

    Even if “loving God” is all it takes, doesn’t someone who SAYS (writes, whatever) “I love God” and maybe claims to be a Catholic or whatever, actually SHOW that they DON’T if, at the same time they profess their “love,” they’re out there if not actually killing unborn children themselves, they’re telling others that it’s okay, and so forth?

    If that gets a pass too, then, again, EVERYONE goes to heaven, and hell is, indeed, empty.

    Feeling lonely already?

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  28. kedavis Member

    Percival (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    I think RBG (like Ayn Rand), will make it through the Pearly Gates. Upon entering, she’ll slap her forehead and remark, “Oy vey, I was wrong about so many things. Sorry about that, Big Guy.”

    God will answer, “No problem. The Son my Chosen People don’t believe in took care of all that.”

    Which means that EVERYONE goes to heaven, right? And hell is, indeed, empty.

    Because, as I wrote before, only a truly insane person would tell the Writer Of All Laws, “No, that’s not what your laws mean!” And the insane person would likely get a break too, for being insane.

    Even if “loving God” is all it takes, doesn’t someone who SAYS (writes, whatever) “I love God” and maybe claims to be a Catholic or whatever, actually SHOW that they DON’T if, at the same time they profess their “love,” they’re out there if not actually killing unborn children themselves, they’re telling others that it’s okay, and so forth?

    If that gets a pass too, then, again, EVERYONE goes to heaven, and hell is, indeed, empty.

    Feeling lonely already?

    Actually I’m probably among the majority of most regular people. At least if they take a minute to think about it.

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  29. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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