Losing More Friends

 

I have (or used to have) two close friends who dislike Trump.  One dislikes him, the other has full-blown Trump Derangement Syndrome.

  1. My friend who lives in Santa Monica refuses to discuss BLM with me.  He is not black.  He is a citizen of Canada who was born in Sarajevo and has lived in California since 2003.  He has Trump Derangement Syndrome.
  2. The second friend grew up in Orange County (which used to be a GOP region in California) and now lives in a suburb of Portland.

Neither one refuses to denounce the rioting of BLM and Antifa.

The Portland resident refuses to denounce the riots in the city and the useless mayor and Governor.

They say they don’t want to discuss ‘politics.’

I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

No response.

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  1. PHCheese Inactive
    PHCheese
    @PHCheese

    I too have lost a friend because of BLM more specifically George Floyd. He sees no connection between BLM and socialists and anarchism. He has drank the Cool aid.

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  2. EODmom Coolidge
    EODmom
    @EODmom

    I’m sorry – that’s tough to accept. You’re not alone, but it’s hard going. 

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  3. CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker
    @CarolJoy

    They are watching an entirely different movie than the one we are watching. Scott Adams introduced that concept of what is going on, and it seems to be the best explanation of what is happening.

    I remember when I was a  Dem how they would have me all worked up over voter ID being unfair. The story they arranged for people like me was that of some elderly woman in Mississippi who really wanted  to vote but couldn’t afford the five bucks it would cost her to get her driver’s license.

    Now I realize that was all claptrap, and the Dem leadership  did not care about that elderly woman. They just wanted to get enough approval from enough people like me to be able to get away with such shenanighans as same day voting and mail in ballots.

    Right now the rank and file Dems and progressives are being spoon fed the message that there has not really been any damage from the “peaceful protests” and even if there was a  little bit of damage somewhere, weren’t the intentions of the protesters idealistic?

    Again it is claptrap but apparently it works. 

    If you need to talk politics with these two friends, and they have said you can’t, then  the friendships are over.

    It hurts for about a year, but by then other friends will have taken their place.

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  4. Some Call Me ...Tim Coolidge
    Some Call Me ...Tim
    @SomeCallMeTim

    Mr. Bitcoin,

    You’d think the one from Sarajevo would know better.  The ex-commies usually have a much better appreciation for the USA. 

    Tim

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  5. Kevin Schulte Member
    Kevin Schulte
    @KevinSchulte

    If you get a chance, tell them BLM and ANTIFA are the brown shirts of the Democrat party. Then tell them the Republican party is corrupt but the Democrat party has become EVIL . They have hitch them selfs to an evil enterprise. 

    I have two coworkers who are Progs that I used to talk politics with for years. Recently I told both of them that I will not discuss politics with them anymore. I told them what I wrote above and  “that I have no common ground with an EVIL enterprise. That is all. “

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  6. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    MISTER BITCOIN: They say they don’t want to discuss ‘politics’.

    So, don’t talk politics with them.  I know politics invades most things, but TDS will pass in 4.4 or 0.4 years.

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  7. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    @Dotorimuk

    I’m a Trump voter, and I don’t like him that much….BUT…

    I would like to hear a list of his crimes and dictatorial actions from these morons.

    Any groups of people loaded onto boxcars? Illegal military invasions? Secret police?

    What is he doing, besides behaving like a jackass on Twitter like EVERYBODY else?

     

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  8. MISTER BITCOIN Member
    MISTER BITCOIN
    @MISTERBITCOIN

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: They say they don’t want to discuss ‘politics’.

    So, don’t talk politics with them. I know politics invades most things, but TDS will pass in 4.4 or 0.4 years.

    I didn’t think riots and violence were political.  I was being naive.

    Politicians is one thing.

    Destroying other people’s livelihoods in the name of justice is wrong regardless of ‘politics’

     

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  9. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    MISTER BITCOIN: I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

    You should decide whether you want them as friends before getting this confrontational. If you don’t, let them go. If you do want them as friends, maybe a gentler approach would be better?

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  10. MISTER BITCOIN Member
    MISTER BITCOIN
    @MISTERBITCOIN

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

    You should decide whether you want them as friends before getting this confrontational. If you don’t, let them go. If you do want them as friends, maybe a gentler approach would be better?

    You’re right, a gentler approach would be better.

    I’m not sure if I want friends who refuse to denounce rioting and looting.

    I told my friend in Portland I hope your home is safe.

     

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  11. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: They say they don’t want to discuss ‘politics’.

    So, don’t talk politics with them. I know politics invades most things, but TDS will pass in 4.4 or 0.4 years.

    In the sense that it will be another kind of _DS? 

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  12. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    I’m a Trump voter, and I don’t like him that much….BUT…

    I would like to hear a list of his crimes and dictatorial actions from these morons.

    Any groups of people loaded onto boxcars? Illegal military invasions? Secret police?

    What is he doing, besides behaving like a jackass on Twitter like EVERYBODY else?

    I don’t get why that upsets people; that’s what Twitter is for. 

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  13. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Some Call Me …Tim (View Comment):

    Mr. Bitcoin,

    You’d think the one from Sarajevo would know better. The ex-commies usually have a much better appreciation for the USA.

    Tim

    Assuming an elderly friend? Someone born in the 80s or later may not have any clear memories of communism. Like a second generation immigrant who develops a nostalgia for the ‘old country’ perhaps a young survivor of socialism also becomes nostalgic for it.

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  14. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Some Call Me …Tim (View Comment):

    Mr. Bitcoin,

    You’d think the one from Sarajevo would know better. The ex-commies usually have a much better appreciation for the USA.

    Tim

    Assuming an elderly friend? Someone born in the 80s or later may not have any clear memories of communism. Like a second generation immigrant who develops a nostalgia for the ‘old country’ perhaps a young survivor of socialism also becomes nostalgic for it.

    Born in 1973 in Sarajevo

    He left home when he was 18 to live in Germany and Holland.

    Eventually moved to Canada then US.

    I’m surprised to he didn’t move to Canada since he has Trump Derangement Syndrome.

     

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  15. John H. Member
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    @JohnH

    Some Call Me …Tim (View Comment):

    Mr. Bitcoin,

    You’d think the one from Sarajevo would know better. The ex-commies usually have a much better appreciation for the USA.

    Tim

    I wouldn’t assume that. Sarajevo’s self-destruction may have been extra-violent because it was, as Yugoslavia went, extra-diverse. This guy may have thought not “What happened was terrible, we should all learn to be calmer,” but rather “What happened was terrible, next time my side should assure its victory by being even nastier to all other sides.”

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  16. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    You are better off not talking about those things with your friends. I can’t with my cousin, but we talk about other things. Life goes on.

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  17. The Scarecrow Thatcher
    The Scarecrow
    @TheScarecrow

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    You are better off not talking about those things with your friends. I can’t with my cousin, but we talk about other things. Life goes on.

    Normally that would be a good work-around.  Sadly it looks like this might get bad enough to where we end up clutching rifles looking at each other across barricades.  At least that seems to be where Antifa et al want to push it.

    I wonder how many of our TDS ex-friends will be prepared to actually end up pointing a gun at us? For the good of the republic, of course.

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  18. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    You are better off not talking about those things with your friends. I can’t with my cousin, but we talk about other things. Life goes on.

    Oh, man, I laughed so hard when I reached the part about your cousin. Most of my first cousins are fairly conservative except for the eldest in our generation. If Reagan is mentioned, she starts foaming at the mouth. I’ve heard her blame Reagan for Vietnam. (Yes, you are seeing that correctly.) Can’t imagine what she thinks of Trump.

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  19. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Some Call Me …Tim (View Comment):

    Mr. Bitcoin,

    You’d think the one from Sarajevo would know better. The ex-commies usually have a much better appreciation for the USA.

    Tim

    Assuming an elderly friend? Someone born in the 80s or later may not have any clear memories of communism. Like a second generation immigrant who develops a nostalgia for the ‘old country’ perhaps a young survivor of socialism also becomes nostalgic for it.

    Born in 1973 in Sarajevo

    He left home when he was 18 to live in Germany and Holland.

    Eventually moved to Canada then US.

    I’m surprised to he didn’t move to Canada since he has Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    There’s still time. 

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  20. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    You are better off not talking about those things with your friends. I can’t with my cousin, but we talk about other things. Life goes on.

    I was with much of my family over the 4th. A niece and a nephew and one sister were absolutely appalled when I said that the George Floyd killing was not necessarily racism. I said it “might be”, but we certainly didn’t know enough to make that claim. And then I went a step further and said that anyone who claimed it was “racism” was being a racist themselves.

    Things got a little heated, but it all ended well. One nephew tried to bring it up later; I refused to engage and we all decided to move on.

    Every. Single. Time. I’ve seen my sister or any of those nephews since then they bring it up.  Again and again and again.

    There’s a righteousness about these people and they have to remain focused on it to make themselves feel righteous. I guess.

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  21. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

    You should decide whether you want them as friends before getting this confrontational. If you don’t, let them go. If you do want them as friends, maybe a gentler approach would be better?

    You’re right, a gentler approach would be better.

    I’m not sure if I want friends who refuse to denounce rioting and looting.

    I told my friend in Portland I hope your home is safe.

    But if he thinks HIS home is safe, doesn’t that make it easier for him to not oppose the destruction of OTHER PEOPLES’ homes and businesses?

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  22. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

    You should decide whether you want them as friends before getting this confrontational. If you don’t, let them go. If you do want them as friends, maybe a gentler approach would be better?

    You’re right, a gentler approach would be better.

    I’m not sure if I want friends who refuse to denounce rioting and looting.

    I told my friend in Portland I hope your home is safe.

    But if he thinks HIS home is safe, doesn’t that make it easier for him to not oppose the destruction of OTHER PEOPLES’ homes and businesses?

    But it may make him consider what it’s like if it were his home.

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  23. kedavis Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

    You should decide whether you want them as friends before getting this confrontational. If you don’t, let them go. If you do want them as friends, maybe a gentler approach would be better?

    You’re right, a gentler approach would be better.

    I’m not sure if I want friends who refuse to denounce rioting and looting.

    I told my friend in Portland I hope your home is safe.

    But if he thinks HIS home is safe, doesn’t that make it easier for him to not oppose the destruction of OTHER PEOPLES’ homes and businesses?

    But it may make him consider what it’s like if it were his home.

    I don’t know about that.  If the left had that kind of empathy, they wouldn’t be as complacent as they seem to be about other peoples’  homes and businesses getting destroyed as it is.

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  24. Arahant Member
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    @Arahant

    kedavis (View Comment):
    If the left had that kind of empathy, they wouldn’t be as complacent as they seem to be about other peoples’ homes and businesses getting destroyed as it is.

    Or gleeful about a man’s having been murdered.

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  25. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    kedavis (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

    You should decide whether you want them as friends before getting this confrontational. If you don’t, let them go. If you do want them as friends, maybe a gentler approach would be better?

    You’re right, a gentler approach would be better.

    I’m not sure if I want friends who refuse to denounce rioting and looting.

    I told my friend in Portland I hope your home is safe.

    But if he thinks HIS home is safe, doesn’t that make it easier for him to not oppose the destruction of OTHER PEOPLES’ homes and businesses?

    If people really cared about BLM they would light their homes on fire in solidarity. 

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  26. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    You are better off not talking about those things with your friends. I can’t with my cousin, but we talk about other things. Life goes on.

    Normally that would be a good work-around. Sadly it looks like this might get bad enough to where we end up clutching rifles looking at each other across barricades. At least that seems to be where Antifa et al want to push it.

    I wonder how many of our TDS ex-friends will be prepared to actually end up pointing a gun at us? For the good of the republic, of course.

    Normally we would meet for a drink and talk but we are living in the twilight zone now

     

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  27. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    @MISTERBITCOIN

    kedavis (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

    You should decide whether you want them as friends before getting this confrontational. If you don’t, let them go. If you do want them as friends, maybe a gentler approach would be better?

    You’re right, a gentler approach would be better.

    I’m not sure if I want friends who refuse to denounce rioting and looting.

    I told my friend in Portland I hope your home is safe.

    But if he thinks HIS home is safe, doesn’t that make it easier for him to not oppose the destruction of OTHER PEOPLES’ homes and businesses?

    good point

    I think he does believe his town is immune until it isn’t

     

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  28. kedavis Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: I criticized them for being spineless and tacitly cheering on the rioters.

    You should decide whether you want them as friends before getting this confrontational. If you don’t, let them go. If you do want them as friends, maybe a gentler approach would be better?

    You’re right, a gentler approach would be better.

    I’m not sure if I want friends who refuse to denounce rioting and looting.

    I told my friend in Portland I hope your home is safe.

    But if he thinks HIS home is safe, doesn’t that make it easier for him to not oppose the destruction of OTHER PEOPLES’ homes and businesses?

    good point

    I think he does believe his town is immune until it isn’t

    And when the mob comes for his home/business/family/town, there will be no one to speak for him…

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  29. Django Member
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    @Django

    Acquaintance/friend now lives in England. From his main squeeze, I guess, he has contracted TDS. After a few stupid e-mails, I told him he had cranio-rectal inversion on the subject, and that Trump was the best president in my lifetime — and I’m an old guy — with the possible exception of Reagan’s first term.

    Never heard from him again until I sent him a link to a video of Lee Ritenour, Alan Broadbent, Ernie Watts, and two others performing Stolen Moments. He replied with an e-mail describing how much he liked the performance. I guess politics is off-limits now.

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  30. Headedwest Coolidge
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: They say they don’t want to discuss ‘politics’.

    So, don’t talk politics with them. I know politics invades most things, but TDS will pass in 4.4 or 0.4 years.

    I didn’t think riots and violence were political. I was being naive.

    Politicians is one thing.

    Destroying other people’s livelihoods in the name of justice is wrong regardless of ‘politics’

    Once you hit the point where they describe crime as politics, there probably isn’t any conversation that is possible.

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