Why Aren’t We Talking About Losing Weight?

 

The other day I was on the phone with a friend who is high-risk for COVID: he’s over 60, has diabetes, and is overweight. I never thought of him as overweight, but the math doesn’t lie. And so, he’s taking some serious steps to lose weight and explicitly said that he’s doing so in order to reduce his susceptibility to the virus. And it got me thinking: why aren’t we promoting weight loss as a general tool in our arsenal to fight the virus? This morning I saw this tweet from Kyle Smith:

The answer is of course we’re not allowed to talk about weight-loss because that’s “fat-shaming.” And there’s a difference, of course, between making someone feel badly for being overweight and explaining the health implications for obesity. It’s not even that subtle of a distinction to make. And yet, it’s a taboo subject because it might make people feel sad. You know what else makes people feel sad? Dying of COVID. So maybe we should start promoting wellness as a tool in our fight against this virus.

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  1. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    @JamesSalerno

    I believe that you have the “responsibility” to stay healthy. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable expectation. It’s going to help you in all aspects of life. And you only get one life, right?

    The problem is America looks down on corrective mechanisms for poor behavior. Oprah makes millions off of lying to people. “You’re beautiful at any size.” People eat that slop right up. It’s easier to believe lies (and lie to yourself) than it is to put in the work. A physician won’t make any money off of telling you to lose weight, but they will make money off of giving you pills for your back spasms. Fad diets > working out. And I could list many more examples. It’s almost identical to the racism/BLM business. Lies are making the people who propagate them rich.

    Our health care, which is already socialist, also encourages poor behavior. We think we’re invincible. An insurance company must cover you, no matter what pre-existing conditions you have. This would be seen as ridiculous in any other insurance field. You can’t purchase home insurance if your house is on fire. Health insurance should be no different. I’m saying this as someone who has been type 1 diabetic since childhood. Insurance and health care are two different things. It should be up to outside agencies to provide care for special conditions, not insurance carriers. People would make much better decisions if we disassembled the hyper-regulated monster that is our health care system.

    The libertarian in me doesn’t care what you do. But if you do decide to throw your life away, I’m not going to subsidize it. And I want the correct societal and economic corrective mechanisms put back in place to discourage people from doing this.

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  2. CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker
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    Nerina Bellinger (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    BMI is not a health indicator. It has no scientific basis. Its literally a device made by a Belgian PolyMath to help governments buy medicine in bulk.

    So few people especially doctors know that.

    Speaking as someone who has lost 35 lbs since the beginning of the pandemic, I know its hard for people to lose weight when all the gyms were closed.

    Finally the real problem is the American diet. That combined with the low cost of food and huge portions (Canadian portions are half to 2/3rds US portions and about 30 percent more in cost), and its no wonder so many people in your country are over weight.

    Congratulations on the weight loss. That is tremendous.

    Thanks. Partial Fasting diet and now 10000 steps a day. Cutting out a lot of junk food helps as well.

    @torywarwriter – can you explain the fasting approach? I have been hearing more and more about it and I’m wondering how to reconcile that approach with previous advice of “experts” which was to “eat a little bit throughout the day – try and balance out your insulin levels. Avoid peaks and valleys.” Thank you! Best, Nerina

    One reason fasting works when other diet approaches will not,  is that if you fast, you automatically avoid the foods that are causing a person to be bloated and unable to lose weight. Dick Gregory came to find out that just water with lemon juice was a very good approach, as the lemon juice eliminates the toxins the body is trying to excrete during the fast. I was always able to lose  ten pounds by fasting for three days, but now that I am older, I only lose 5.

    If an individual is  currently on meds for IBS or acid reflux, the problem behind the need for those items could be the body being sensitive to gluten, or corn, or rice or dairy. Same is true if the individual burps a lot. The worst thing is if the individual is sensitive to some combination of those four items, as then it is harder to figure it out.

     

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  3. Bethany Mandel Coolidge
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    Lockdowns probably contribute to obesity…even walking around a mall is better exercise than just staying at home.

    For sure! I have definitely gained weight during these lockdowns. Which is another reason why they are counterproductive.  Along with the link between Vitamin D deficiency and worse outcomes.

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  4. Bethany Mandel Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    AUMom (View Comment):

    Thanks, Karen.

    Another thing somebody else wants to watch my body for. Don’t you have enough in your life to pay attention to?

    Sounds like a sensitive topic for you. I probably weigh a lot more and am far more obese. I know it. I can deal with it.

    Bethany Mandel: So maybe we should start promoting wellness as a tool in our fight against this virus.

    When you get down to it, this is all that Bethany is saying. Let’s be honest, overweight, and especially morbidly obese, is not healthy. Further, we know that co-morbidities (such as being obese or diabetic) are more likely to lead to complications with CoViD-19, such as death. So, why can’t we talk about it?

    I have a number of auto-immune diseases. I have been trying to find a list of these co-morbidities, and at least early on had no luck finding out whether I needed to worry. (The List) Why? Maybe it just took time to verify and publish the data. Still, I only have one on the main list (fatitude) and one on the suspect list, so it may not be as bad for me as I thought. It’s good to find the list and be able to discuss the problems and maybe even take some steps to help lessen my risk of dying of CoViD.

    Nobody, especially Bethany, is planning on watching your body. We just want an open discussion. I would like open discussions of food additives and how they contribute to American fatness, even more of them than the ones Carol was mentioning above. There is no reason these topics should be out of bounds for discussion. And there is no reason for anyone to be sensitive about them or assigning nefarious ulterior motives to those who would speak about them.

    Sincerely,

    A 22-stone fat guy.

    Precisely the point, thank you!

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  5. Suspira Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Can’t convince people to bear a minor inconvenience like a mask but you are going to convince to loose weight?

    Good luck

    Agreed, but I didn’t look on Bethany’s post as advocating some national diet directive. Just telling the public the truth about risks.

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  6. Acook Coolidge
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    @Acook

    About seven years ago I lost 40-some pounds, mostly by eliminating a lot of carbs and increasing protein. I’ve kept it off. I found that once the weight was off, if I stay active, I can eat a little more and not gain weight. However, I’m still about 20 pounds heavier than when I got married and had my daughter. I just barely squeak into the “normal” category by BMI. If I shrink any more as I age, I’ll become “overweight.”  People tell me I look good and that if I lost another 20 I’d be skin and bones. I wouldn’t mind another 10, but then I’d be in a size that’s hard to find. I went from a size 14 to a 4, which is about the smallest size that’s easy to find. Sometimes in the gym, before they closed, I’d carry two 20 pound dumbbells around and think, wow, this is how much weight I lost. 

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  7. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Nerina Bellinger (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    BMI is not a health indicator. It has no scientific basis. Its literally a device made by a Belgian PolyMath to help governments buy medicine in bulk.

    So few people especially doctors know that.

    Speaking as someone who has lost 35 lbs since the beginning of the pandemic, I know its hard for people to lose weight when all the gyms were closed.

    Finally the real problem is the American diet. That combined with the low cost of food and huge portions (Canadian portions are half to 2/3rds US portions and about 30 percent more in cost), and its no wonder so many people in your country are over weight.

    Congratulations on the weight loss. That is tremendous.

    Thanks. Partial Fasting diet and now 10000 steps a day. Cutting out a lot of junk food helps as well.

    @torywarwriter – can you explain the fasting approach? I have been hearing more and more about it and I’m wondering how to reconcile that approach with previous advice of “experts” which was to “eat a little bit throughout the day – try and balance out your insulin levels. Avoid peaks and valleys.” Thank you! Best, Nerina

    Sure

    When I wake up I have a glass of orange juice and maybe an apple.  I might have a sandwhich for lunch but that tends to be every two days.  I tried salads at first for lunch.  didnt work out.  I find soups are fine as well.  Then for dinner I have whatever I want.  But the most important part is to have a large serving of protein.  This meal can carry me for the evening and into early morning the next day.  Hence my light breakfast and lunch.

    During the day I snack on grapes, and carrots and apples.  Sometimes various berries.  Up to you and your personal preferences.

    I got rid of most junk food.  I have one bag of microwave popcorn for a late night snack, and sometimes cheese or a small amount of sausage if I need a protein snack.

    Coke Zero or Diet Coke is fine.  I have an occassional coke if I need a pick me up.  I dont drink coffee for my personal reasons.  

    I lost 20 lbs before I added excercise.  

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  8. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    @ToryWarWriter

    Getting rid of potato chips was the greatest thing.  So much useless junk.  Nothing filling in it.  

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  9. Charlotte Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):
    You’re so right. An online BMI calculator, courtesy of the NIH, tells me I would need to lose 13 pounds past the weight my doctor told me was fine and healthy for me. That’s a lot for a five-foot-nothing old lady.

    All I need to do is grow 1’10” to be considered in the normal weight range.

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  10. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    People are addicted to eating.

    It’s even worse than that.  It’s not just people.  Dogs, cats, octopuses, quail, ants, and gophers, too. Even parakeets!  Almost every life form you can think of  acts like it’s going to die if it doesn’t eat.

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  11. Giulietta Inactive
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    @giuliettachicago

    The first public high school I worked at was majority Hispanic and black. There was a very different perception of beauty and attractiveness. The girls described themselves as “beautiful” and “gorgeous” and even for the girls who were clearly bordering on obese, the choice words were “curvy” and “sexy”. While it was nice to hear girls being confident, it was also troubling because many of them clearly needed guidance on a healthier lifestyle and the teachers and administration (nearly all white) were so consumed with cheering on “community voices” from their POC population that they didn’t try to act like the adults in the room.

    There is a variation of this theme in my private school now- there are students who need guidance on healthy habits but the school does not attempt to intervene even though they could do so in many different ways. They are afraid of angering the parents and having to talk down threats to send their child to another school because of a “fat-shaming” incident.

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  12. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Lockdowns probably contribute to obesity…even walking around a mall is better exercise than just staying at home.

    Ok.

    I want to know where exactly the lockdowns were so drastic that you were prevented from walking outside for exercise.

    I don’t remember people being welded into their homes like China, or needing a pass to walk the streets like in Spain.

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  13. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Can’t convince people to bear a minor inconvenience like a mask but you are going to convince to loose weight?

    Good luck

    Agreed, but I didn’t look on Bethany’s post as advocating some national diet directive. Just telling the public the truth about risks.

    If anyone is unaware of the fact that being fat,  having diabetes, hypertension or immune suppression are high risk for serious infection, they must be living in a cave in Afghanistan.

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  14. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Getting rid of potato chips was the greatest thing. So much useless junk. Nothing filling in it.

    But they taste so good.

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  15. Miffed White Male Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Can’t convince people to bear a minor inconvenience like a mask but you are going to convince to loose weight?

    Good luck

    Agreed, but I didn’t look on Bethany’s post as advocating some national diet directive. Just telling the public the truth about risks.

    If anyone is unaware of the fact that being fat, having diabetes, hypertension or immune suppression are high risk for serious infection, they must be living in a cave in Afghanistan.

    “Awareness” is a huge industry in modern America.  

    By now everyone is “aware” of breast cancer, but the NFL still runs out pink everything in October every year.

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  16. Arahant Member
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    @Arahant

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    but the NFL still runs out pink everything in October every year.

    Who?

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  17. CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker
    @CarolJoy

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    People are addicted to eating.

    It’s even worse than that. It’s not just people. Dogs, cats, octopuses, quail, ants, and gophers, too. Even parakeets! Almost every life form you can think of acts like it’s going to die if it doesn’t eat.

    This is why I don’t leave the house unless feeling very very strong.

    Between the created jays swooping down and attempting to remove my head from my shoulders, to the squirrels “chi chi chi”ing complaints, it seems much more peaceful inside the house than out.

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  18. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    BMI is not a health indicator. It has no scientific basis. Its literally a device made by a Belgian PolyMath to help governments buy medicine in bulk.

    So few people especially doctors know that.

    Speaking as someone who has lost 35 lbs since the beginning of the pandemic, I know its hard for people to lose weight when all the gyms were closed.

    Finally the real problem is the American diet. That combined with the low cost of food and huge portions (Canadian portions are half to 2/3rds US portions and about 30 percent more in cost), and its no wonder so many people in your country are over weight.

    I’m almost never able to finish a meal at a restaurant because of the size of the portions.  In the past, I’ve asked waitresses to just give me half a serving; I get tired of wasting food.

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  19. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    I’m almost never able to finish a meal at a restaurant because of the size of the portions. In the past, I’ve asked waitresses to just give me half a serving; I get tired of wasting food.

    We usually just take half home and have it for two days.

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