Don’t Fall for Conspiracy Theories. Then again…

 

 

Why does Colorado have color coded ballots? I guess it is because color coding is way quicker than that little R or D under the bar code to know what party the ballot represents.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
But why would anybody need to know that?
 
OK, I know how conspiracy theories work. It’s possible that these are primary election ballots, and there might be some good reason for election officials to want to quickly separate out ballots from the various different parties prior to counting.
 
But that’s not the rumor that is being widely circulated. The rumor is that the purpose is so unscrupulous persons who end up handling the ballots know which ones they want to destroy before they are counted.
 
Before I dismiss that theory, I’d like to be sure that general election ballots are not similarly marked. It’s one thing for primary election ballots to be designated by party. It’s quite another for general election ballots to be treated in that fashion.
 
I’m still opposed to universal mail in voting. There are too many opportunities for fraud. Ballot harvesting is one such opportunity, and data is available to accurately forecast voting patterns by zip code. It wouldn’t be too tough for knowledgable fraudsters to figure out which zip codes they wish to target for maximum effect.
 
In the justice system, there is such a thing as chain of custody for evidence. I believe most election procedures use some similar system, though possibly not as robust. I’m reasonably certain that routine mail is not subject to any such supervision. Mail in voting eliminates the chain of custody safeguard.
 
Isn’t this election divisive enough? Do we really need to introduce another source of contention into the process with mail in ballots?
 
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  1. Suspira Member
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    Who is Tina? You get a ballot with your name on it? That would violate the secrecy of the ballot right there.

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  2. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    Thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting this.

    People here often seem to overlook the innate set up by which Dems control the society. Instead there is now a new “societal condition” which is that of blaming 100% of the people inside a geographical area for being too liberal. The problem with this condition is that no geographical region should be considered “too liberal” when only 42% of its constituents are registered Dems.

    Yes, in Calif, the Democratic Party has 42% of the state’s registered voters. But this means the independent voters, when aligned with the Republicans, are the majority of the vote.

    However we never really have fair elections in this state. Back in 2012, the ballot initiative requiring Gm foods to be labelled was announced by the Secretary of State’s office as having failed. It came out a day or two later that this announcement occurred before one million ballots had been counted. As far as I know, those ballots never did get counted.

    Fast forward to Dec and January of 2016-17. Across the nation, some thirteen separate election integrity groups petitioned Bernie Sanders to join them in challenging the DNC’s vote count in their region, specifically with regards to the Hillary-Bernie Primary of 2016.

    Sanders, being a paid tool of the Dem party, refused to join even one group’s court pleadings. So in 12 separate cases, the judges for each region threw out the activists’ pleadings. The judges stated that if the DNC harmed someone, it was Bernie Sanders who had been harmed. This made Sanders the person who had “legal standing” in the matter. Without his participation, all of these twelve cases were dismissed. (One of these twelve cases was in Calif. The rest were scattered throughout the nation.)

    However in the case of San Diego County Calif voters against the DNC, the judge correctly ruled that it was voters themselves who had been injured, as the citizen’s  right to have a ballot properly counted was one of the main guarantees of liberty in our nation.

    The case proceeded forward. In January 2017, it was ruled in court that the court’s findings proved that the DNC had flipped Bernie’s ballots over to Hillary, awarding her the victory that should have been his.

    People here need to be aware that it does not take 50% or more of citizens to think liberally. It takes a mere 42%, and if the judges in key areas of your  state are Dems, you will lose your right to have your vote count in any election. (Most key areas are the big cities.)

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  3. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    In recent elections here in Korea, people stood in line outside, and went in to vote a few at a time. There was a (useless) temperature scan, and masks were required, but they voted in person. This was at the height of the pandemic.

    Don’t let them force vote-by-mail on you. 

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  4. Freeven Member
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    This rumor has been floating around long enough that I’d have expected to see some hard evidence by now if it were true. I’m bothered that the OP includes unsourced and unidentified images. Anyone seen any actual evidence of what is being alleged?

    I recommend this post not be eligible for promotion to the main page.

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  5. Stad Coolidge
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    JesseMcVay: But that’s not the rumor that is being widely circulated. The rumor is that the purpose is so unscrupulous persons who end up handling the ballots know which ones they want to destroy before they are counted.

    Surely you are not suggesting postal workers would throw away ballots with an “R” on them are you (even though their union endorsed Biden)?

    I can only think of one good thing that comes out of early mail-in voting – it reduces the impact of October surprises . . .

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  6. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    I’ll go so far as to say that voting needs to be harder to do, not easier.

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  7. James Gawron Inactive
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    JesseMcVay: Before I dismiss that theory, I’d like to be sure that general election ballots are not similarly marked. It’s one thing for primary election ballots to be designated by party. It’s quite another for general election ballots to be treated in that fashion.

    Jesse,

    The RNC needs to demand this doesn’t happen on election day immediately. Talk about intentionally creating an opportunity for partisan fanatics to defraud the process.

    JesseMcVay:I’m still opposed to universal mail in voting. There are too many opportunities for fraud. Ballot harvesting is one such opportunity, and data is available to accurately forecast voting patterns by zip code. It wouldn’t be too tough for knowledgable fraudsters to figure out which zip codes they wish to target for maximum effect. In the justice system, there is such a thing as chain of custody for evidence. I believe most election procedures use some similar system, though possibly not as robust. I’m reasonably certain that routine mail is not subject to any such supervision. Mail in voting eliminates the chain of custody safeguard.

    Jesse,

    Damn right the chain of custody is broken. I’ve mentioned many times on Ricochet the strange phenomenon on election night where ballot boxes in heavily Democrat districts disappear around 9:00 pm and then are found again about 11:30 pm when they know how much of a push they’ll need to win it. A ballot box is kind of a large item, a little hard to misplace. Chain of custody, not likely.

    The mail-in deal will make this a thousand times worse.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

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  8. WI Con Member
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    I saw that Wisconsin’s Teachers Union Pet, Governor Tony Evers has had his Atty. General sign on to the states suing for mail in voting.

    I fully expect him and his commie masters to pull something before the voting actually starts, the WI National Guard is being trained & dispatched to provide election workers (I’m actually relieved about that) – that gives them one less excuse about not having enough polling locations open. The spring elections here went off without any noticeable spike in Covid-19 infections. Wondering if any Cheese heads online know if Evers or that puppet “non-partisan” election commission can unilaterally institute mail in voting? The few stories I’ve read don’t let the reader know, it’s been very frustrating.

    For those Ricochetti in other states, do you know how (procedurally) this would happen in your respective states? Must it go through the respective state legislatures, then signed by the respective governors by a certain time period before election day to be recognized as legal?

    Any word on postmarks/dates vs. absentee postmark requirements?

    Any procedures on what happens when an in-person voter is informed that they’ve been sent (or their ballot has already been received)?

    These SOB’s mean to steal this in broad daylight. Would love to hear from federal & state GOP leaders as to what they are doing?

     

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  9. Bob W Member
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    I saw this on Facebook the other day. I have to confess, I don’t know enough about people registering their party affiliation with the locality in which they vote. I don’t know why anyone would do that. I certainly never have. It’s never prevented me from voting in any election. If you are a registered party member, that’s fine, but why would the local election office need to know that? Maybe some states require it for primary voting? In any case, most voters probably are not registered in this way, so I doubt the R and D on the envelope refer to the political parties. 

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  10. Suspira Member
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    Bob W (View Comment):

    I saw this on Facebook the other day. I have to confess, I don’t know enough about people registering their party affiliation with the locality in which they vote. I don’t know why anyone would do that. I certainly never have. It’s never prevented me from voting in any election. If you are a registered party member, that’s fine, but why would the local election office need to know that? Maybe some states require it for primary voting? In any case, most voters probably are not registered in this way, so I doubt the R and D on the envelope refer to the political parties.

    Here in my red-state backwater, we don’t register to vote through a political party. So nobody is a registered Democrat or registered Republican. It can cause some fun and games in the party primaries, but, overall, I like it this way.

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Those look like Colorado ballot envelopes to this Colorado resident. I’ve never been observant enough to notice the color-coding and letter demarcation before. 

    We switched over to having our ballots mailed to us years ago (5 years? At least?). Mr. C and I always deliver ours to a ballot drop box at the government offices (or at a polling place), so we know they got to the right place without having to rely on the post office. After that. . .?

    I should probably change my registration to Independent, like Mr. C. I registered R originally because we live in such a conservative county (or, it used to be) that local elections were decided in the primary. However, I’ve since learned (from a local television reporter) that “liberals” (leftists, really) run as Republicans and obscure their lefty positions long enough to get elected, knowing they wouldn’t stand a chance if they did otherwise. This reporter thought it was clever and didn’t care much about the dishonesty, because she’s a lefty herself. Truth is not a left-wing value.

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  12. CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker Coolidge
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    Bob W (View Comment):

    I saw this on Facebook the other day. I have to confess, I don’t know enough about people registering their party affiliation with the locality in which they vote. I don’t know why anyone would do that. I certainly never have. It’s never prevented me from voting in any election. If you are a registered party member, that’s fine, but why would the local election office need to know that? Maybe some states require it for primary voting? In any case, most voters probably are not registered in this way, so I doubt the R and D on the envelope refer to the political parties.

    In some states, that have a closed Primary, you can vote only for a candidate who belongs to the party in which you are registered. California is one such place.

    That is why people  end up declaring which party they are part of.

     

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  13. Western Chauvinist Member
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    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):

    I saw this on Facebook the other day. I have to confess, I don’t know enough about people registering their party affiliation with the locality in which they vote. I don’t know why anyone would do that. I certainly never have. It’s never prevented me from voting in any election. If you are a registered party member, that’s fine, but why would the local election office need to know that? Maybe some states require it for primary voting? In any case, most voters probably are not registered in this way, so I doubt the R and D on the envelope refer to the political parties.

    In some states, that have a closed Primary, you can vote only for a candidate who belongs to the party in which you are registered. California is one such place.

    That is why people end up declaring which party they are part of.

     

    Yes, Colorado has closed primaries, however if you’re registered Independent, they send you both primary ballots and you’re allowed to return one. Theoretically. I guess that would explain the identifying colors/marks on the envelopes for Democrat versus Republican ballots. 

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