Ricochet Movie Fight Club: Question 20

 


Two-time champion, Brian Watt, learned exactly how hard it is to win three in a row. Teaching that lesson (with a little help from a blind Audrey Hepburn) was J D Fitzpatrick, who earned the right to ask: What movie has the best duel? All movies should be pre-CGI. For this question, a duel is defined as a single moment of combat between two characters, with a clear resolution. Duels can be short or long, but they should display unity of time, place, and action, meaning that the contest is restricted to a particular moment in the film, not drawn out over its course.
The Rules:

  • Post your answer as a comment. Make it clear that this is your official answer, one per member.
  • Defend your answer in the comments and fight it out with other Ricochet member answers for the rest of the week.
  • Whoever gets the most likes on their official answer comment (and only that comment) by Friday night wins the fight.
  • The winner gets the honor of posting the next question on Saturday.
  • In the case of a tie, the member who posted the question will decide the winner.

Notes:

  • Only movies will qualify (no TV shows) however films that air on television (BBC films, a stand-alone mini-series) will qualify.
  • Your answer can be as off-the-wall or controversial as you’d like. It will be up to you to defend it and win people to your side.
  • Fight it out.

Movie Fight Club Questions by Week:

  1. What is the best film portrayal of a book character? Winner: Charlotte with 18 likes for Alan Rickman’s portrayal of Professor Severus Snape in the Harry Potter movies.
  2. What is the best motion picture comedy of the 21st century? Winner: split decision. In an exemplary display of genuine sportsmanship, Randy Webster conceded the fight to Marjorie Reynolds’ pick Team America: World Police.
  3. What film provides the most evocative use of location? Winner: Taras with 21 likes for Lawrence of Arabia. Wasn’t even close.
  4. What is the best film that utilizes or is inspired by a work of William Shakespeare? Winner: Dr. Bastiat with five likes for The Lion King, a film inspired by Hamlet
  5. Which movie has the best surprise ending, or unexpected plot twist? Winner: Repmodad with 18 likes for The Sixth Sense
  6. What pre-1970s black-and-white movie would be most enjoyed by a modern 18- to 25-year-old audience? Winner: E J Hill with 9 likes for a Casablanca. (He didn’t exactly designate it his official answer, and most of the likes may have been for the modern Casablanca trailer rather than for it as an answer to the question, but nobody seemed to dispute it on those grounds, so that’s how the cookie crumbles.)
  7. What movie did you go to based on the trailer, only to have felt cheated? (i.e., the trailer was 10x better than the movie?) Winner: Back to back wins by E J Hill with 9 likes for Something to Talk About.
  8. Name the worst movie portrayal of your profession (where applicable.) Winner: LC with 8 likes for Denise Richards’ Dr. Christmas Jones in The World is Not Enough.
  9. What is the worst movie that claims to be based or inspired by a true story? Winner: Tex929rr with 16 likes for the, “…terrible acting, and countless deviations from history,” in Pearl Harbor.
  10. What is your favorite little known movie? Winner: A last-minute rally for Tremors made the difference as Songwriter took the week 10 win! 
  11. What is the best movie that you never want to watch again? Winner: Hitler Charlotte with 15 likes for Schindler’s List. Sorry, Richard Oshea but Jesus won the real fight. 

    Week 11.5 Exhibition Match (as a make-up of sorts, since Songwriter didn’t get the week 11 question submitted in time)
    Name the best movie theme song ever? No winner declared but I’m pretty sure it was I.M. Fine with “Moon River.”
  12. Name the best animated feature-length movie of all time. Winner: I.M. Fine with 10 likes for Pinocchio, and justice for I.M. Fine prevailed.
  13. What is the worst acting performance in an otherwise good film? Winner: In one of the most brutal fights we’ve seen yet Repmodad fended off a furious 12th-round onslaught by Gary McVey to give Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves the win with 20 likes.
  14. What is the quintessential American movie? Winner: Miffed White Male pulled off the comeback with 20 likes for The Right Stuff.  There was a two-way tie at 19 for second place as well. 
  15. What’s the most entertaining movie set during WWII? Winner: Arahant clearly won with Casablanca’s walloping 30 likes despite the withering onslaught by Sisyphus on the final day.
  16. What is the best movie love story? Winner: Songwriter with 20 likes for The Princess Bride with 20 likes. Up managed to make a strong showing and Dr. Bastiat is still conducting recounts trying to “find” some uncounted votes. 
  17. What’s the best’ buddy’ movie? Winner: Brian Watt wins with 12 likes for The Man Who Would be King.
  18. What is the worst movie (not a made-for-TV movie) ever made? Brian Watt joins E.J. Hill as the only other back-to-back winner with 16 likes for Barbarella. Brian will get another crack at it by choosing the week 19 question. Can he make it three?
  19. What is the most frightening non-bloody film you’ve ever seen? The winner: J D Fitzpatrick with Wait Until Dark, starring the lovely Audrey Hepburn getting terrorized over a doll, sort of.
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  1. Randy Webster Inactive
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    DonWatt (View Comment):
    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting.

    As Captain Aubrey says, “Pistols for two and coffee for one.”

    • #181
  2. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
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    DonWatt (View Comment):
    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting.

    Deliverance.

     

    • #182
  3. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    DonWatt (View Comment):
    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting.

    Not prearranged. Not combatants. No point of honor to settle. No set of rules articulated.

     

    • #183
  4. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    That’s alright.  They’re not really weapons either, unless used in the wrong hands.

    • #184
  5. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    That’s alright. They’re not really weapons either, unless used in the wrong hands.

    And the song is entitled Dueling Banjos even though there’s only one banjo in the scene…not to be all pedantic. Runs in the family.

    • #185
  6. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    As to best duel. you need to watch it in the original Shakespeare.

    Don’t watch anything by that child rapist Polanski.

    • #186
  7. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    This seems to be borrowed from the duel between Gregory Peck and Chuck Connors in The Big Country:

    It’s a little stronger when he’s shooting his own son.

    • #187
  8. danok1 Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    DonWatt (View Comment):
    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting.

    Not prearranged. Not combatants. No point of honor to settle. No set of rules articulated.

     

    Eh, the rules were defined in the OP:

    For this question, a duel is defined as a single moment of combat between two characters, with a clear resolution. Duels can be short or long, but they should display unity of time, place, and action, meaning that the contest is restricted to a particular moment in the film, not drawn out over its course.

     

    • #188
  9. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
    @BrianWatt

    danok1 (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    DonWatt (View Comment):
    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting.

    Not prearranged. Not combatants. No point of honor to settle. No set of rules articulated.

     

    Eh, the rules were defined in the OP:

    For this question, a duel is defined as a single moment of combat between two characters, with a clear resolution. Duels can be short or long, but they should display unity of time, place, and action, meaning that the contest is restricted to a particular moment in the film, not drawn out over its course.

     

    Flicker was responding to my brother Don’s comment #176 on Page 6…not the rules set forth in the OP.

    • #189
  10. Charlotte Member
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    @Charlotte

    DonWatt (View Comment):
    (BTW, I can be such a pedant sometimes)

    Gosh, you don’t say.

    How many Watt brothers are there, anyway??

    • #190
  11. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    How many Watt brothers are there, anyway??

    Three. Doug, Brian, and Don.

    • #191
  12. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
    @BrianWatt

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    DonWatt (View Comment):
    (BTW, I can be such a pedant sometimes)

    Gosh, you don’t say.

    How many Watt brothers are there, anyway??

    Depends on who you talk to. 

    • #192
  13. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
    J. D. Fitzpatrick
    @JDFitzpatrick

    DonWatt (View Comment):

    I think that as dueling has gone (thankfully) out of fashion, we have debased the word “dueling” into any sort of fight.

    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting. This thread, it seems to me, has conflated any fight between two antagonists, using any weapons from swords, guns, fists, wits, or even songs (really . . . Casablanca?). Is a metaphorical duel a duel or is it something else? Folks, it seems to me that a mere fight isn’t a duel, especially if the object is solely to kill or maim. No honor would be settled there. Liberty Valance’s intention is murder, isn’t it? Rathbone’s brilliant sword play isn’t a duel, it’s a fight to the death for reasons other than honor.

    Even brother Brian gets it wrong citing Gene Kelly’s d’Artagnan. He accepts challenges to duel with the three musketeers, but the impromptu fight he cites is with the Cardinal’s guard. And as much as I like Master and Commander, probably the best illustration of leadership in recent movie history, a war isn’t a duel.

    I will however always carry a torch for “The Duellists”, Ridley Scott’s first feature based on Conrad’s novella. Two Napoleonic cavalry officers meet over an imagined insult. The entire movie is the story of one duel. It just takes a decade or two. The duel starts and stops because of injuries, war, and politics. The duel isn’t a number of separate issues, but a single point resumed time and again. It’s beautifully photographed, paced quite a bit slower than any other Ridley Scott feature. The entire action of the movie is based on two equal partners meeting and understanding how the duel will go forward until honor is settled. That, to me, is the meaning of the word.

    ( BTW, I can be such a pedant sometimes)

     

     

    Win the competition and you too may define the terms! 

    But I still have the OAD on my side: “(in modern use) a contest between two parties”

    “Duel” is more elegant than “Fight between two or three people.” 

    Brian, I urge you to reclaim Casablanca

    • #193
  14. Flicker Coolidge
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    That’s alright. They’re not really weapons either, unless used in the wrong hands.

    And the song is entitled Dueling Banjos even though there’s only one banjo in the scene…not to be all pedantic. Runs in the family.

    1 + 0 = 2!  (That’s called science, my friend.)

    • #194
  15. KirkianWanderer Inactive
    KirkianWanderer
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    That’s alright. They’re not really weapons either, unless used in the wrong hands.

    And the song is entitled Dueling Banjos even though there’s only one banjo in the scene…not to be all pedantic. Runs in the family.

    1 + 0 = 2! (That’s called science, my friend.)

    I’ve been working on GRE math for the last three weeks (God help me) and at this point that sounds about right.

    • #195
  16. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
    J. D. Fitzpatrick
    @JDFitzpatrick

    By the way, I checked the rules, and it looks like we can vote for multiple entries. So someone wouldn’t technically need to withdraw his vote from one movie to vote for another one. (I suppose this has already been discussed in previous Fight Club threads.) 

    • #196
  17. Boss Mongo Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    DonWatt (View Comment):
    (BTW, I can be such a pedant sometimes)

    Gosh, you don’t say.

    How many Watt brothers are there, anyway??

    19.  Minimum.

    • #197
  18. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    @KirkianWanderer

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

    If tv were an option, Captain Kirk vs. The Gorn would have to be pretty high up. I don’t think there’s any hand to hand combat for Shatner in the TOS movies, so no opportunity to practice the mystical and ancient art of Kirk-Fu.

    I almost forgot this, it’s a two-for. You get Shatner covering Black Sabbath, and the best of Kirk’s fight skills.

    • #198
  19. DonWatt Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Doormat (View Comment):

    DonWatt (View Comment):
    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting.

    So how about this one:

    Sorry, while it is a duel, I’m pretty sure that Hornblower was from a tv series.

     

    • #199
  20. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    As to best duel. you need to watch it in the original Shakespeare.

    Don’t watch anything by that child rapist Polanski.

    A film is more than just its director.  And holding the entire production company at fault for the actions of one man, is petty.  

    • #200
  21. DonWatt Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    How many Watt brothers are there, anyway??

    Three. Doug, Brian, and Don.

    Just enough.

    • #201
  22. DonWatt Inactive
    DonWatt
    @Donwatt

    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):

    DonWatt (View Comment):

     

    Win the competition and you too may define the terms!

    But I still have the OAD on my side: “(in modern use) a contest between two parties”

    “Duel” is more elegant than “Fight between two or three people.”

    Brian, I urge you to reclaim Casablanca.

    So a fight between two people brings any boxing movie into play, as well as a contest between two parties allowing the truly pivotal contest in such thrillers as “Quiz Show”?  One could envision a tap duel between Fred and Ginger, couldn’t one?

    Sorry, a duel is a duel is a duel.  Because it sounds more elegant than “fight” doesn’t change its meaning.

    Pedant filter off.

    • #202
  23. RPD Inactive
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    @RPD

    I would go with “Birds of Prey” (1973), a feature length helicopter duel, and i think the best of its kind.

    https://youtu.be/ITsExjg47-c

    But I would nominate the final fight between Philo Beddoe and Jack Wilson in “Any Which Way You Can” which unfortunately I couldn’t find a youtube clip of it. It’s an epic fist fight though and one of the best I can think of.

    • #203
  24. DonWatt Inactive
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Just to note, that my brother’s more precise definition of a duel likely narrows the competition down to The Duellists, Barry Lyndon, and The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.

    I would include Rob Roy, as well.

    I’m surprised that no none has mentioned one of the few that certainly meet the original criterion along with my more closely defined idea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1T1pBAdqxY

    • #204
  25. LC Member
    LC
    @LidensCheng

    DonWatt (View Comment):

    I think that as dueling has gone (thankfully) out of fashion, we have debased the word “dueling” into any sort of fight.

    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting. This thread, it seems to me, has conflated any fight between two antagonists, using any weapons from swords, guns, fists, wits, or even songs (really . . . Casablanca?). Is a metaphorical duel a duel or is it something else? Folks, it seems to me that a mere fight isn’t a duel, especially if the object is solely to kill or maim. No honor would be settled there. Liberty Valance’s intention is murder, isn’t it? Rathbone’s brilliant sword play isn’t a duel, it’s a fight to the death for reasons other than honor.

    Even brother Brian gets it wrong citing Gene Kelly’s d’Artagnan. He accepts challenges to duel with the three musketeers, but the impromptu fight he cites is with the Cardinal’s guard. And as much as I like Master and Commander, probably the best illustration of leadership in recent movie history, a war isn’t a duel.

    I will however always carry a torch for “The Duellists”, Ridley Scott’s first feature based on Conrad’s novella. Two Napoleonic cavalry officers meet over an imagined insult. The entire movie is the story of one duel. It just takes a decade or two. The duel starts and stops because of injuries, war, and politics. The duel isn’t a number of separate issues, but a single point resumed time and again. It’s beautifully photographed, paced quite a bit slower than any other Ridley Scott feature. The entire action of the movie is based on two equal partners meeting and understanding how the duel will go forward until honor is settled. That, to me, is the meaning of the word.

    ( BTW, I can be such a pedant sometimes)

     

     

    Well, I’d like to add that my nomination of Harakiri totally fits this precise definition. 

    • #205
  26. Samuel Block Support
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Just to note, that my brother’s more precise definition of a duel likely narrows the competition down to The Duellists, Barry Lyndon, and The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.

    So, I withdraw my tongue-in-cheek desperate, official answer of Casablanca and will vote for The Duellists.

    I just want this to be a matter of record because otherwise I’ll never hear the end of it.

    Whoa! So that means I could manage third place (the completely technical, probably unrecognized, kind) with only one vote? Also… one vote?? 😑 Conservatives have a way of disappointing me the most.

    • #206
  27. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
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    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):

    DonWatt (View Comment):

    I think that as dueling has gone (thankfully) out of fashion, we have debased the word “dueling” into any sort of fight.

    To me a duel is a prearranged meeting between two combatants, almost always over a point of honor, conducted within a set of rules governing that meeting. This thread, it seems to me, has conflated any fight between two antagonists, using any weapons from swords, guns, fists, wits, or even songs (really . . . Casablanca?). Is a metaphorical duel a duel or is it something else? Folks, it seems to me that a mere fight isn’t a duel, especially if the object is solely to kill or maim. No honor would be settled there. Liberty Valance’s intention is murder, isn’t it? Rathbone’s brilliant sword play isn’t a duel, it’s a fight to the death for reasons other than honor.

    Even brother Brian gets it wrong citing Gene Kelly’s d’Artagnan. He accepts challenges to duel with the three musketeers, but the impromptu fight he cites is with the Cardinal’s guard. And as much as I like Master and Commander, probably the best illustration of leadership in recent movie history, a war isn’t a duel.

    I will however always carry a torch for “The Duellists”, Ridley Scott’s first feature based on Conrad’s novella. Two Napoleonic cavalry officers meet over an imagined insult. The entire movie is the story of one duel. It just takes a decade or two. The duel starts and stops because of injuries, war, and politics. The duel isn’t a number of separate issues, but a single point resumed time and again. It’s beautifully photographed, paced quite a bit slower than any other Ridley Scott feature. The entire action of the movie is based on two equal partners meeting and understanding how the duel will go forward until honor is settled. That, to me, is the meaning of the word.

    ( BTW, I can be such a pedant sometimes)

     

     

    Win the competition and you too may define the terms!

    But I still have the OAD on my side: “(in modern use) a contest between two parties”

    “Duel” is more elegant than “Fight between two or three people.”

    Brian, I urge you to reclaim Casablanca.

    I prefer pistols at dawn. My seconds will call on your seconds.

    • #207
  28. Randy Webster Inactive
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    DonWatt (View Comment):
    So a fight between two people brings any boxing movie into play, as well as a contest between two parties allowing the truly pivotal contest in such thrillers as “Quiz Show”? One could envision a tap duel between Fred and Ginger, couldn’t one?

    By that token, Bull Durham is one long duel between Crash and Nuke.

    • #208
  29. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    A film is more than just its director. And holding the entire production company at fault for the actions of one man, is petty.

    I don’t care. Who gets top billing? The director. Especially when it’s the child raper.

    • #209
  30. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Samuel Block (View Comment):
    Conservatives have a way of disappointing me the most.

    Of course.  Liberals can’t disappoint because you expect nothing good from them.

    • #210
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