New Rider for Auto Insurance?

 

In @kozak’s post to The Firing Line, he suggested that when people in vehicles are threatened by gun-waving or gun-pointing Antifa thugs to “Duck and FLOOR it.” To which I responded:

Maybe a new rider to your auto insurance? Seems like with all the publicity there would be a large market for such a rider. Pattern after conceal carry insurance. My guess is that if a lot of people buy it, it should only have to be used a few times before the word got out that “protesting” in this way can get you killed by your well-insured citizens and the actuarial estimates would make such coverage very profitable.

There are insurers having to pay (I hope for the owners’ sake) for riot damage. I think they might be able to make some of the money back by offering this new insurance line. If you live in a major metropolitan area why wouldn’t you spend a couple of hundred bucks to get

  • death and medical payouts if found liable
  • defense costs
  • bail money coverage

As I said in my comment, yes, the initial payouts might be large. But as soon as the “pajama boys/girls” rioters see that there is a personal cost the potential for claims would drop precipitously and the collected premiums would be quite profitable.

Maybe President Trump can sign an Executive Order adding this to the national flood insurance program.

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  1. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Protesters are pedestrians and thus have right of way on the road over automobiles. As a automobile driver you have no right to ride over a protester or threaten them in any way. If you feel threatened you are to call the police (911) and hope they come help. Anything else as the driver and you most likely will be charged and jailed.

    Your auto insurance rider better cover lawsuit coverage and maybe money to support your family as you rot in jail.

    Protesters do not have the right of way in a roadway. They are allowed to cross at legal crosswalks and signals. Otherwise J walking which is illegal. If they stop the flow of traffic that is also illegal. And if they brandish a firearm while blocking your car you have every right to use whatever force is necessary to escape.

    The powers that be seem to disagree with you.
    laws are things the Left ignores for itself and wields like a sword against those not actively on their side.

    BS in most places.

    NC where I live

    § 20-174. Crossing at other than crosswalks; walking along highway.

    (a) Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.

    (b) Any pedestrian crossing a roadway at a point where a pedestrian tunnel or overhead pedestrian crossing has been provided shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.

    (c) Between adjacent intersections at which traffic-control signals are in operation pedestrians shall not cross at any place except in a marked crosswalk.

    (d) Where sidewalks are provided, it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway. Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the extreme left of the roadway or its shoulder facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction. Such pedestrian shall yield the right-of-way to approaching traffic.

    (e) Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, every driver of a vehicle shall exercise due care to avoid colliding with any pedestrian upon any roadway, and shall give warning by sounding the horn when necessary, and shall exercise proper precaution upon observing any child or any confused or incapacitated person upon a roadway. (1937, c. 407, s. 135; 1973, c. 1330, s. 33.)

    Plus.

    NC Castle doctrine applies to cars, so if someone draws a gun on me I have a right to use violent force to protect myself.

    And they may win a court case after the law breaks them and if they are not forced to plea out.

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  2. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    today the government is backing the protestors.  Any individual citizen getting in the way of protestors riots may have full force of law thrown at them.  Especially if they have resources the government and its cronies can take one way or other.

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  3. Stina Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    You have an obligation to avoid conflict whenever possible. Use of deadly force, under any circumstances, is always subject to legal interpretation, and, very likely, you will be investigated following an incident and possibly prosecuted.

    There are two types of bullies – the one we are all familiar with, having poor social skills and conveniently larger than those around them that beat up on people smaller than them. The thug.

    The other bully is less well known. They are the natural machiavellians…  the ones where manipulation comes easy. The have high social intelligence and possess a kind of confidence in their intellect and cunning. They know how provoke while appearing innocent. They will provoke their less socially intelligent peers to act violently and then play victim, illiciting sympathy from authority. They frequently get away with provocation while one who responded in violence is punished.

    Those with enough social intelligence to not be provoked are then hemmed in by the machiavellian. We become their prisoners, trapped in the space they want us in, lording over us with their superiority, knowing there’s nothing we can do about it.

    It is the act of a sociopath. What these protestors are doing is forcing us to act the way they want us to act. We are trapped by our better natures and they are manipulating the situation. We are blocked from living our lives. Trapped and stuck to revolve our worlds around how to best avoid them, ceding common areas to them to avoid violent confrontation – but they want the violence, so they will seek you out to provoke you – so they can be the victim and you can be the evil doer.

    How do you deal with such sociopathy?

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  4. Skyler Coolidge
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    @Skyler

    Stina (View Comment):

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    You have an obligation to avoid conflict whenever possible. Use of deadly force, under any circumstances, is always subject to legal interpretation, and, very likely, you will be investigated following an incident and possibly prosecuted.

    There are two types of bullies – the one we are all familiar with, having poor social skills and conveniently larger than those around them that beat up on people smaller than them. The thug.

    The other bully is less well known. They are the natural machiavellians… the ones where manipulation comes easy. The have high social intelligence and possess a kind of confidence in their intellect and cunning. They know how provoke while appearing innocent. They will provoke their less socially intelligent peers to act violently and then play victim, illiciting sympathy from authority. They frequently get away with provocation while one who responded in violence is punished.

    Those with enough social intelligence to not be provoked are then hemmed in by the machiavellian. We become their prisoners, trapped in the space they want us in, lording over us with their superiority, knowing there’s nothing we can do about it.

    It is the act of a sociopath. What these protestors are doing is forcing us to act the way they want us to act. We are trapped by our better natures and they are manipulating the situation. We are blocked from living our lives. Trapped and stuck to revolve our worlds around how to best avoid them, ceding common areas to them to avoid violent confrontation – but they want the violence, so they will seek you out to provoke you – so they can be the victim and you can be the evil doer.

    How do you deal with such sociopathy?

    I wouldn’t have used the word “Machiavellian,” because I think it’s misused here, but otherwise I agree.  

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  5. Miffed White Male Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    A Leftist prosecutor would probably treat the purchase of such insurance as proof of premeditation and use it to rebut your claim of having acted in self defense.

    Nah.  Buying fire insurance doesn’t mean I intend to commit arson.

     

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  6. Rodin Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    A Leftist prosecutor would probably treat the purchase of such insurance as proof of premeditation and use it to rebut your claim of having acted in self defense.

    Nah. Buying fire insurance doesn’t mean I intend to commit arson.

     

    Bingo!

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  7. danok1 Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    A Leftist prosecutor would probably treat the purchase of such insurance as proof of premeditation and use it to rebut your claim of having acted in self defense.

    Nah. Buying fire insurance doesn’t mean I intend to commit arson.

    If you have a mortgage on the property, the bank usually requires you to have fire insurance on said property as a condition of the mortgage loan.

    No one would be required to purchase the sort of insurance @ontheleftcoast is talking about,

     

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  8. danok1 Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Protesters are pedestrians and thus have right of way on the road over automobiles. As a automobile driver you have no right to ride over a protester or threaten them in any way. If you feel threatened you are to call the police (911) and hope they come help. Anything else as the driver and you most likely will be charged and jailed.

    Your auto insurance rider better cover lawsuit coverage and maybe money to support your family as you rot in jail.

    Protesters do not have the right of way in a roadway. They are allowed to cross at legal crosswalks and signals. Otherwise J walking which is illegal. If they stop the flow of traffic that is also illegal. And if they brandish a firearm while blocking your car you have every right to use whatever force is necessary to escape.

    The powers that be seem to disagree with you.
    laws are things the Left ignores for itself and wields like a sword against those not actively on their side.

    BS in most places.

    NC where I live

    § 20-174. Crossing at other than crosswalks; walking along highway.

    Plus.

    NC Castle doctrine applies to cars, so if someone draws a gun on me I have a right to use violent force to protect myself.

    And they may win a court case after the law breaks them and if they are not forced to plea out.

    In NC, the “castle doctrine” prevents the one whose house/car is being invaded from being charged. In addition, s/he is given immunity from civil suits.

    (NOTE: I had to remove the law cited due to word count restrictions.)

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  9. Miffed White Male Member
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    danok1 (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    A Leftist prosecutor would probably treat the purchase of such insurance as proof of premeditation and use it to rebut your claim of having acted in self defense.

    Nah. Buying fire insurance doesn’t mean I intend to commit arson.

    If you have a mortgage on the property, the bank usually requires you to have fire insurance on said property as a condition of the mortgage loan.

    No one would be required to purchase the sort of insurance @ontheleftcoast is talking about,

     

    So only the people without mortgages would be suspected of planning to commit arson.

     

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  10. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    A Leftist prosecutor would probably treat the purchase of such insurance as proof of premeditation and use it to rebut your claim of having acted in self defense.

    Nah. Buying fire insurance doesn’t mean I intend to commit arson.

     

    If you house burned via arson then a prosecutor would claim it did.  

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  11. Skyler Coolidge
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    @Skyler

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    danok1 (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    A Leftist prosecutor would probably treat the purchase of such insurance as proof of premeditation and use it to rebut your claim of having acted in self defense.

    Nah. Buying fire insurance doesn’t mean I intend to commit arson.

    If you have a mortgage on the property, the bank usually requires you to have fire insurance on said property as a condition of the mortgage loan.

    No one would be required to purchase the sort of insurance @ontheleftcoast is talking about,

     

    So only the people without mortgages would be suspected of planning to commit arson.

     

    Fire insurance is an accepted practice.  If riot insurance were an accepted practice, then it too would be unobjectionable.  However, since it is not, and is in fact an oddity, there’s no reason it couldn’t be used against you.  That doesn’t mean that they would succeed, but you can expect them to try.

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