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Another news story about another riot in another major city: “Black Lives Matter members in Chicago held a rally on Monday to support the more than 100 arrested last night following widespread looting and rioting that caused at least $60 million in property damage and saw 13 police officers injured, according to a report.”

But this next passage in the article caught my eye – a quote from a Black Lives Matter organizer named Ariel Atkins: “I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats. That makes sure that person has clothes. That is reparations. Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

Ok, so Black Lives Matter acknowledges that reparations are theft. Simple, straightforward theft. Based on the ethics underlying the Black Lives Matter movement, theft is apparently acceptable – even admirable – in this setting. I find that concerning, but not as concerning as this: I wonder how many Democrat voters would agree with this point? I wonder how many Democrat leaders and politicians would agree with this point? I wonder how many university professors and media personalities would agree with this point? I don’t know, of course. But I suspect that the answer to those questions would depress me.

I could write an essay about this. But I won’t. It’s too depressing.

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  1. Arahant Member

    Well, if we would just arrest and convict these people, they could have free food, clothing, and housing for years to come. Is orange their color for jumpsuits?

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    • August 11, 2020, at 4:59 AM PDT
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  2. Sisyphus Coolidge
    SisyphusJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    But, why do you go to such depths to slander peaceful protesters exercising their 1st Amendment rights? Sigh. These photoshopers faking destruction simply must stop.

    Wait, wait, I was channeling Biden for a moment there. Out! Out! Foul spirit!!!

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    • August 11, 2020, at 5:11 AM PDT
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  3. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White MaleJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Isn’t your title backwards? It should be “Theft is reparations”.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 5:28 AM PDT
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  4. Bruce Caward Thatcher
    Bruce CawardJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    That’s a good takeaway from what she said, but there’s another beauty in there: “…they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

    This person leading this movement, claiming to love Marxism and hate Capitalism, evidently doesn’t understand the first thing about either one. She obviously thinks that insurance companies have endless pots of gold that they magically swoop in and sprinkle all over businesses, restoring them to health. Then everything is perfect again. And that this just goes on and on, because of course everybody has insurance, right?

    If she doesn’t understand how insurance works, then she doesn’t understand how Business works, and sure as hell doesn’t understand how Capitalism works. I’ll bet she doesn’t really understand Marxism either.

    That insurance comment is one of the most childish, puerile things I’ve heard in a long time. It reminds me of the line where you ask a kid what his father does and he says:

    ”He’s a Businessman.”

    ”A businessman? But what does he do?”

    ”Yeah, a Businessman. He does, you know, business. Business stuff.”

    I guess this person thinks all is permissible because these companies all have, you know, that insurance stuff.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 6:22 AM PDT
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  5. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    Dr. Bastiat: Ok, so Black Lives Matter acknowledges that reparations are theft.

    “theft” is an unjust taking. To the Marxists, any taking can be just, so it is more of a tax. Bernie wants to take 60% of stock appreciation for 2020. That would be a tax, but to the victims it would feel like a theft.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 6:22 AM PDT
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  6. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat

    Bruce Caward (View Comment):
    she doesn’t understand how insurance works

    I wonder where she thinks insurance companies get their money?

    And if she thinks that insurance companies get their money from the Nike Store buying insurance, I wonder where she thinks the Nike Store gets it’s money?

    These people are truly remarkable.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 6:35 AM PDT
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  7. Bruce Caward Thatcher
    Bruce CawardJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bruce Caward (View Comment):
    she doesn’t understand how insurance works

    I wonder where she thinks insurance companies get their money?

    And if she thinks that insurance companies get their money from the Nike Store buying insurance, I wonder where she thinks the Nike Store gets it’s money?

    These people are truly remarkable.

    Exactly.

    And these are the people who think they know the way to a brighter future for all.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 6:40 AM PDT
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  8. Vance Richards Member
    Vance RichardsJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bruce Caward (View Comment):
    she doesn’t understand how insurance works

    I wonder where she thinks insurance companies get their money?

    And if she thinks that insurance companies get their money from the Nike Store buying insurance, I wonder where she thinks the Nike Store gets it’s money?

    These people are truly remarkable.

    I started a job with an insurance company several months ago. Just to give a view from the inside, we are not an endless pit of money and stealing from us is just as bad as stealing from your local store. And your local store will have deductibles and frequent claims will increase their premiums. And if an area becomes a big risk, who is going to write business there at all? Imagine if someone tells you they are going to open a new business in that Chicago mall. Would you sell them insurance?

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    • August 11, 2020, at 6:43 AM PDT
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  9. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    It’s like the idiot on MSNBC a few weeks ago who said if your store is named Target you will be a target and he said it with a smile 

    These people are demented and violent.

    They only understand violence.

    They feel tough now because law enforcement hasn’t fought back.

    Two ways to fight terrorism: cut off their finances and cut off their limbs (literally and figuratively)

     

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    • August 11, 2020, at 6:47 AM PDT
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  10. EODmom Coolidge

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bruce Caward (View Comment):
    she doesn’t understand how insurance works

    I wonder where she thinks insurance companies get their money?

    And if she thinks that insurance companies get their money from the Nike Store buying insurance, I wonder where she thinks the Nike Store gets it’s money?

    These people are truly remarkable.

    I started a job with an insurance company several months ago. Just to give a view from the inside, we are not an endless pit of money and stealing from us is just as bad as stealing from your local store. And your local store will have deductibles and frequent claims will increase their premiums. And if an area becomes a big risk, who is going to write business there at all? Imagine if someone tells you they are going to open a new business in that Chicago mall. Would you sell them insurance?

    Here’s a fantasy for you: insurance companies won’t write policies for homes in areas of known, recurring natural disasters – like the Russian River in CA or Topsail Beach, NC. So your friend Uncle Sam does it – courtesy of the kind taxpayers in places like North Dakota and VT and Nebraska – and pays out over and over and over again when the same people rebuild in the same natural disaster places. So what’s to say that Mayor Lori and her pals won’t say that her special friend Uncle Sam MUST do the same so that businesses will stay in her fair city?

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    • August 11, 2020, at 6:51 AM PDT
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  11. Nohaaj Coolidge

    Dr. Bastiat: It’s too depressing.

    On the bright side, you can feel empathy with Michelle, because she too is feeling depressed about the events of the day. When was the last time you could say that you felt the same as Michelle? hmmm. <sarcasm off> https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/06/899785192/michelle-obama-says-shes-dealing-with-low-grade-depression-amid-quarantine

     

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    • August 11, 2020, at 6:54 AM PDT
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  12. Vance Richards Member
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bruce Caward (View Comment):
    she doesn’t understand how insurance works

    I wonder where she thinks insurance companies get their money?

    And if she thinks that insurance companies get their money from the Nike Store buying insurance, I wonder where she thinks the Nike Store gets it’s money?

    These people are truly remarkable.

    I started a job with an insurance company several months ago. Just to give a view from the inside, we are not an endless pit of money and stealing from us is just as bad as stealing from your local store. And your local store will have deductibles and frequent claims will increase their premiums. And if an area becomes a big risk, who is going to write business there at all? Imagine if someone tells you they are going to open a new business in that Chicago mall. Would you sell them insurance?

    Here’s a fantasy for you: insurance companies won’t write policies for homes in areas of known, recurring natural disasters – like the Russian River in CA or Topsail Beach, NC. So your friend Uncle Sam does it – courtesy of the kind taxpayers in places like North Dakota and VT and Nebraska – and pays out over and over and over again when the same people rebuild in the same natural disaster places. So what’s to say that Mayor Lori and her pals won’t say that her special friend Uncle Sam MUST do the same so that businesses will stay in her fair city?

    Yes, when insurance companies sell flood insurance they are really just handling the administrative side and the government assumes the risk. Somewhere along the line someone decided it was a good idea to encourage people to live in areas where they really shouldn’t (like all beach front homes). Now, if your city becomes an unmanageable risk because you refuse to police your neighborhoods . . . ?

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    • August 11, 2020, at 7:06 AM PDT
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  13. Vance Richards Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci

    We’ll give you 40 designer handbags and a mule?

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    • August 11, 2020, at 7:13 AM PDT
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  14. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White MaleJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bruce Caward (View Comment):
    she doesn’t understand how insurance works

    I wonder where she thinks insurance companies get their money?

    And if she thinks that insurance companies get their money from the Nike Store buying insurance, I wonder where she thinks the Nike Store gets it’s money?

    These people are truly remarkable.

    I wonder how many of these “But the businesses have insurance” types have actually bought Life, property or even auto insurance themselves, and understand deductibles and increased premiums when you file a claim.

    We know Obama didn’t understand car insurance. Remember him telling during the 08 campaign about the time he got in an accident and was surprised that his liability policy wouldn’t pay to repair his car?

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    • August 11, 2020, at 7:14 AM PDT
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  15. Richard Fulmer Member

    Dr. Bastiat: “I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats. That makes sure that person has clothes. That is reparations…”

    Great! Reparations have been paid. Been there, done that, now we can Move On (to coin a phrase).

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    • August 11, 2020, at 7:18 AM PDT
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  16. Goldgeller Member

    I saw some of this chatter on twitter. I don’t like BLM but this is a terrible thing to say. It also casts doubts on any sincere arguments that BLM might have about being a faithful negotiator. It is a shame that this organization got put on some pedestal as an organization that can plausibly speak for blacks and race issues generally. Its positively damaging to the discourse.

    When there are these flair-ups clever defenders say BLM is a group of organizations– chapters– and that you can’t blame them all. But has anyone said “hey this is going too far? This is starting to push people away?” All the BLM insanity runs in the same direction, and at an increasing rate. 

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    • August 11, 2020, at 7:33 AM PDT
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  17. Bruce Caward Thatcher
    Bruce CawardJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    EODmom (View Comment):
    So what’s to say that Mayor Lori and her pals won’t say that her special friend Uncle Sam MUST do the same so that businesses will stay in her fair city?

    That may happen, but you don’t build a robust, vibrant city under this kind of duress. The Government may well insure the administrative buildings, and social services and things like that, but what business is going to want to open in an area where they are under constant risk of casual violence and little to no police protection?

    Besides, why would Gucci or Prada ever want to reopen – who would their customers be? Those people all moved to red states.

    Liberals ruin everything.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 7:44 AM PDT
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  18. Chuck Thatcher

    Gucci? Macy’s? Nike? What about the mom and pop stores that are destroyed? 

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    • August 11, 2020, at 8:04 AM PDT
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  19. Chuck Thatcher

    The insurance idea is pandemic. You know full well how people think about Medicare, SSI and associated. I don’t have to pay for it, the gubmint will.

    Or how often have I heard how “they” should do something.

    Pogo was right.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 8:12 AM PDT
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  20. Susan Quinn Contributor

    I wonder what they’ll call it when someone steals from them? Oh, sorry, they’re not millionaires. Nor are most of the people whose lives are being destroyed. Sigh.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 8:27 AM PDT
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  21. Chuck Thatcher

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I wonder what they’ll call it when someone steals from them? Oh, sorry, they’re not millionaires. Nor are most of the people whose lives are being destroyed. Sigh.

    Surely this car was chosen to be burned because it was owned by a millionaire: Probably has a fleet of ‘em.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 8:38 AM PDT
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  22. Arahant Member

    A million dollars really isn’t that much anymore.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 8:40 AM PDT
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  23. Chuck Thatcher

    Arahant (View Comment):

    A million dollars really isn’t that much anymore.

    Well…If you have a couple to spare I’m willing to take them off your hands. :)

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    • August 11, 2020, at 8:42 AM PDT
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  24. Sisyphus Coolidge
    SisyphusJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I wonder what they’ll call it when someone steals from them? Oh, sorry, they’re not millionaires. Nor are most of the people whose lives are being destroyed. Sigh.

    Surely this car was chosen to be burned because it was owned by a millionaire: Probably has a fleet of ‘em.

    It’s white. What more needs be said.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 8:47 AM PDT
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  25. Arahant Member

    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    A million dollars really isn’t that much anymore.

    Well…If you have a couple to spare I’m willing to take them off your hands. :)

    There are never “spare” millions.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 8:56 AM PDT
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  26. Tocqueville Coolidge

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Isn’t your title backwards? It should be “Theft is reparations”.

    That’s what I was thinking.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 9:25 AM PDT
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  27. J Climacus Member

    Tocqueville (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Isn’t your title backwards? It should be “Theft is reparations”.

    That’s what I was thinking.

    yeah. I agree that “reparations are theft” but not “theft is reparations”

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    • August 11, 2020, at 9:27 AM PDT
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  28. Cow Girl Thatcher

    This isn’t a new concept. I was substitute teaching in a middle school in SoCal twenty-five years ago, and we somehow got on the topic of theft. My son’s bike had been stolen. (He was also a teenager.) I expressed my unhappiness/anger about it. Then one of the boys in the class pointed out, “But, Miss, if you got a bike, then that means you’re, like, rich enough that you can buy another one. And if a person don’t got a bike, they probably can’t buy one, so, like, it’s okay to take that one, cause that person can get another one.”

    Yes. Sure. It blew my mind. I’m not sure why I was so astonished, but I was. I pointed out that it took my son months of delivering newspapers on foot to earn enough money to buy his bike. I added that I had five children, and there was no way that we could buy each of them a new bike every month. But, I’m sure it all went right over his head because, hey, we must be rich enough…

    Incidentally, we had several of our bikes stolen in that neighborhood. They’d cut the locks if it was chained up somewhere. It was completely obnoxious. And I also know that the bikes were likely taken to the Saturday flea market to be sold.

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    • August 11, 2020, at 9:28 AM PDT
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  29. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    Cow Girl (View Comment):

    This isn’t a new concept. I was substitute teaching in a middle school in SoCal twenty-five years ago, and we somehow got on the topic of theft. My son’s bike had been stolen. (He was also a teenager.) I expressed my unhappiness/anger about it. Then one of the boys in the class pointed out, “But, Miss, if you got a bike, then that means you’re, like, rich enough that you can buy another one. And if a person don’t got a bike, they probably can’t buy one, so, like, it’s okay to take that one, cause that person can get another one.”

    Yes. Sure. It blew my mind. I’m not sure why I was so astonished, but I was. I pointed out that it took my son months of delivering newspapers on foot to earn enough money to buy his bike. I added that I had five children, and there was no way that we could buy each of them a new bike every month. But, I’m sure it all went right over his head because, hey, we must be rich enough…

    Incidentally, we had several of our bikes stolen in that neighborhood. They’d cut the locks if it was chained up somewhere. It was completely obnoxious. And I also know that the bikes were likely taken to the Saturday flea market to be sold.

    a substitute teacher is rich?

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    • August 11, 2020, at 9:38 AM PDT
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  30. Bruce Caward Thatcher
    Bruce CawardJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Cow Girl (View Comment):

    This isn’t a new concept. I was substitute teaching in a middle school in SoCal twenty-five years ago, and we somehow got on the topic of theft. My son’s bike had been stolen. (He was also a teenager.) I expressed my unhappiness/anger about it. Then one of the boys in the class pointed out, “But, Miss, if you got a bike, then that means you’re, like, rich enough that you can buy another one. And if a person don’t got a bike, they probably can’t buy one, so, like, it’s okay to take that one, cause that person can get another one.”

    Yes. Sure. It blew my mind. I’m not sure why I was so astonished, but I was. I pointed out that it took my son months of delivering newspapers on foot to earn enough money to buy his bike. I added that I had five children, and there was no way that we could buy each of them a new bike every month. But, I’m sure it all went right over his head because, hey, we must be rich enough…

    Incidentally, we had several of our bikes stolen in that neighborhood. They’d cut the locks if it was chained up somewhere. It was completely obnoxious. And I also know that the bikes were likely taken to the Saturday flea market to be sold.

    If true, you could always find another one cheap at a flea market – maybe yours.

    But I had heard that often a bunch are stolen by professionals, then loaded on trucks and shipped, sometimes to third world countries, and sold. Kinda hard to believe there’s that much money in it, but if you’ve got enough of them, maybe.

    Sorry, back to the OP . . . .

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    • August 11, 2020, at 9:49 AM PDT
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