“You say you want a revolution”: Incels, Ideology, and Charles Murray

 

For those that are unaware, Incel is a portmanteau of “involuntary celibate,” and encompasses men who fit just what that description implies, but also a range of other behaviors and opinions. The term was originally coined by a female Canadian university student as a reference, and the name for an online support group, to people of both genders that struggled to garner romantic relationships. Incels today are almost all men and are quite far afield of the original version of that term. In addition to their virginity, they have a developed system of thought on women, society, and romantic life. 

To put it bluntly, the vast majority of Incels consider women non-human. The kindest might deign to mark them as animals, or human-like creatures, hence the common use of the term “foid” (female humanoid). In their minds, women are incapable of love, loyalty, selflessness, real strength, or rational thought; they live to engage in casual relationships with high-status men (“chads”), and when they are inevitably made worthless anatomically and physically by this, spend the rest of their lives with desperate low-status men who provide them with money while they have children born of countless extramarital affairs. But maybe women who chose not to follow this path are slightly more highly regarded? No. Not even a little. Unmarried women are unimaginably selfish evildoers who live to lead on an endless stream of innocent men, and those that chose not to have children deserve instant death because they haven’t fulfilled the one purpose that women have in the world as breeding sows. 

Educated women, career women, and the vast majority of women over the age of 18 are given to similar contempt. The first two groups because they had nothing to do with their own success, which was earned solely from their bodies and looks, and the third because all women over that age (often much younger) are regarded as “used up”, having already had hundreds of partners. Simply put, their “femoids” have no intelligence except cunning, no worth except as objects, and no reason to exist outside of the biological imperative. In keeping with this lovely and totally rational system of thought, female survivors of sexual assault are the lowest of the low, and in incels terms not only deserved what happened to them but enjoyed it, labeling it a violation only when it happened at the hands of an unattractive man. 

“Soyciety”* perpetuates this state of affairs, and helps to keep Incels, as well as their MGTOW, red pill*, and black pill* brethren, down. Incel history posits that until the early 20th century, men had been in absolute control of every civilization that ever existed, and that the West made a mistake in granting women wider rights and equal status with men. Societies like Saudi Arabia, where women are treated as property and have little to no say in everything from government to their own personal lives, are the ideal from which the West has strayed, and will eventually overtake the West. Men are second class citizens and should unite to rise up and take back their traditional rights in order to put history back to rights, consigning universal suffrage and consent laws, among many other things, to the past. They are enthused to use concentration camps (which would double as breeding centers) and widespread sexual assault as weapons in carrying out that revolution, which would be easily won when all men realized the truth of their ideas, and because women are so inferior in physical strength and intelligence. 

Naturally, there is also a healthy amount of racism mixed into Incel beliefs. Most buy into the standard “Jews run the world, Rothschilds are hiding under my bed and stopping me from getting women, using capitalism to enslave me” line. They also have a deep obsession with height, skin color, race characteristics, and canthal tilt; women are hypergamous (always seek to marry those of a higher genetic and social position) and thus Incels are denied their “looksmatch”, as is almost any man under 6” who doesn’t look like he just stepped out of a Harlequin romance novel. It should also be noted that their ratings of women are wild, with most supermodels falling into the 5-6 range on a 10 scale, in large part because they either don’t look like 2-D Japanese anime girls or because they lack the features that make men attractive (height, strong jaw, etc). 

Of course, in a society like this, especially when women are beings of such evil, Incels are incapable of having romantic lives. Some try to blend in as socially normal, while others run to the other extreme, becoming NEETs (not in education or training) who take up residence in their parents’ basements and/or live off of government benefits. Few have hobbies beyond viewing adult material, video games, “blackpill” philosophy, and spending hours on Incel and related forums (many of which encourage pedophilia and the grooming of younger female relatives, hence they are often hosted on servers outside the US). They occasionally report on their interactions with females in the real world, largely adding up to detailed first-person narratives about a history of anti-social, abusive, and sometimes all-out criminal behavior. A few, both in the US and abroad, have committed large scale violence, like school shootings, and estimates put their numbers anywhere from the thousands to the hundreds of thousands.

What causes this phenomenon? Incels have received a lot of press, even internationally, in the last few years, and the majority of those detailed reports hit the nail on the head; untreated mental illness, closeted homosexuality, poor family relationships, and/or simple malignancy are the main ones. But I would like to posit another, which is both economic and philosophical. Charles Murray, in Coming Apart, argued that men in “Fishtowns”, areas of low economic development with poor social cohesion or community formation, were vastly more likely to turn to drugs, crime, dependency, and suicide than counterparts from higher economic statuses with more coherent communities. I think Incels fit into this, but not in a neat, tidy way.

Some percentage of them, in addition to the other issues listed above, do choose to become Incels because of the impact of the factors Murray explored, in the same way, that their counterparts might choose drugs. Bad backgrounds will always have an impact. However, some measures of incels come from “Belmont” rather than “Fishtown” and have a variety of options presented to them in life, a pretty great amount of privilege in some cases. And I think their anger, and Incel status, flows from a sense of entitlement. Life has not been perfect since childhood and when they see others of the same background, and even worse ones, flourishing, rather than seeking to find the font of their romantic (and other) issues, they shift blame. Many tales are told in Incel forums of young men dropping out of high school and college because all was not as they expected; women didn’t throw themselves at them, courses were challenging (although all “foids” will obviously pass because of their sex), and social lives took effort. In essence, they absorbed and idealized a warped picture of 1950s America (one which conveniently cut out a lot of the casual racism and some women’s dependency on drugs as the post-war society demanded that they give up jobs which had given their lives purpose), and feel that they deserve a white picket fence, three kids, a dog, and a loving wife. Society, romantic norms, and evil women like me, who chose careers over marriage with kids (and engage in male pursuits like boxing and higher education), are the root of their problems and must be eliminated in order to re-establish paradise. 

I’ll end this on a slightly preachy note. If you have a child, grandchild, or friend that you think might be falling into an ideology like this, please reach out to them. Communities like those centered around Incel ideology are borderline cults, and they do as much damage to their members as their members seek to do to women at large. Some men get out, but other men end up ruining their lives (and others’) in pursuit of fulfilling Incel thought, and any time that can be prevented from happening is a wonderful thing. 

* “Soyciety” = Present-day society, which has been robbed of ‘manly’ virtue by allowing women equal rights and status to men. The soy moniker is based on the argument that soy introduces high amounts of estrogen to the body, and Soyciety also sometimes encompasses the argument that elites are using chemical means to ‘feminize’ society through chlorinated drinking water, vaccines, etc.

*”Red Pill” = “The incel red pill can be explained by the 80/20 rule, which says that 80% of women desire just 20% of men. This means that the vast majority of men will never be desirable and consequentially will never find sexual fulfillment and happiness.”

*”Black Pill” = “The Red Pill’s nihilistic cousin. The idea behind “redpilling” is that men recognise that the world is unfair and stacked against them in favour of women. From there, they can game the system by becoming an “alpha” male, going to the gym, treating women poorly, and so on. The black pill rejects this, saying that there can be no personal solutions to systemic problems, and that the world was, is and always will be stacked against men who are “genetically inferior”, and that women are inherently wired to prefer men with particular kinds of facial features, bone structure, and body type.”

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  1. Hank Rhody, Badgeless Bandito Contributor
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Being married off to someone I don’t know chosen by my parents, astrology, or a group of village elders doesn’t exactly appeal. 

    Y’see, I’ve got to secure this alliance with Poland…

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  2. Zafar Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Is it about self-perception projected onto the world?

    Rather, it’s a lack of self-perception projected onto the world.

    Change it to: self-perception projected onto the world….coupled [!!] with utter lack of self-awareness?

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  3. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Is it about self-perception projected onto the world?

    Rather, it’s a lack of self-perception projected onto the world.

    Change it to: self-perception projected onto the world….coupled [!!] with utter lack of self-awareness?

    Sprinkled with a liberal dose of uncontrolled anger, superiority complex/racism, and entitlement and we’ve got bingo!

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  4. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    Hank Rhody, Badgeless Bandito (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Being married off to someone I don’t know chosen by my parents, astrology, or a group of village elders doesn’t exactly appeal.

    Y’see, I’ve got to secure this alliance with Poland…

    Well, being traded for an alliance with the entire nation of Poland is better than 3 goats and a plot of land.

    “Mom, I’ll see you in a few years, I got an arranged marriage through Ricochet! I’m going to cement an alliance with Poland.”

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  5. Django Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):
    I watched the video so you don’t have to:

    True friend.

    She’s 39 and complaining that men don’t give her enough attention. The comments are hilarious, but one seemed serious and on target. The guy said, “If you didn’t want me in your prime, I don’t want you in your decline.”

    So are incels the male equivalent? Meaning urealistic (self) perception and unrealistic expectations?

    Basically: these people are not engaging in a reality-based exercise. Or rather that their own personal realities have been projected uninterrogated to explain the world and how it functions?

    As Terry Pratchett said, “Sodomy non Sapiens”, which he translated as “Buggered if I know.” If one regards those videos with a kind of clinical detachment, they are pretty funny. You know that youtube will recommend other similar videos and I watched a few clips. My favourite was the woman criticizing the women who wondered “where the gentlemen are?” She said, “Here’s a clue [redacted]s: They are out there looking for ladies. If they aren’t looking at you, you might want to ask yourself why.”

    That aside, I think you summarized it pretty well. 

     

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Not to say that there aren’t unrealistic feminists …

    Would those be the feminists who are terribly affronted that men don’t want to date radical feminists? The ones that consider that reluctance dangerous?

    I say we round all of the incels, and all of the grumpy feminists, and dump them on an island somewhere to sort it all out. Maybe they will be happier. The rest of us definitely will be.

    Personally, I think both groups are very small and are being magnified by finding like-minded loons on the internet.

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  7. Percival Thatcher
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Is it about self-perception projected onto the world?

    Rather, it’s a lack of self-perception projected onto the world.

    Change it to: self-perception projected onto the world….coupled [!!] with utter lack of self-awareness?

    Sprinkled with a liberal dose of uncontrolled anger, superiority complex/racism, and entitlement and we’ve got bingo!

    I think a great deal of it can be laid at the feet of the education establishment for inflating “self-esteem” to dysfunctional levels. A little humility is a good thing.

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  8. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    While there is definitely a subset who likes living on the edge, who gets off on danger, I think what most women mean by bad boys is really good guys who are exciting and who know how to cross boundaries in socially acceptable ways.

    It’s rare to hear “ideally I’m looking for a meth cook, to keep things interesting…”

    It’s not so rare for it to actually happen though. What people say and do rarely lines up.

    I was thinking of Indian marriage ads :-)

    There is an argument for a mild form of arranged marriage. Human individuals are often as corrupt as the family collective. It worked well for Apu after all.

    I watched a very interesting video about arranged marriages in Singapore a while ago, mostly constituted of older couples of the three major ethnic groups talking about their experiences. They were all happy, but I think that was in large part because they were arranged marriages were both partners got a choice. Being married off to someone I don’t know chosen by my parents, astrology, or a group of village elders doesn’t exactly appeal.

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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    While there is definitely a subset who likes living on the edge, who gets off on danger, I think what most women mean by bad boys is really good guys who are exciting and who know how to cross boundaries in socially acceptable ways.

    It’s rare to hear “ideally I’m looking for a meth cook, to keep things interesting…”

    It’s not so rare for it to actually happen though. What people say and do rarely lines up.

    I was thinking of Indian marriage ads :-)

    There is an argument for a mild form of arranged marriage. Human individuals are often as corrupt as the family collective. It worked well for Apu after all.

    What we have now is an anti-arranged marriage where young people ‘decide for themselves’ with little to no input from those with experience or long-term perspective. The little dears. 

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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    There is an argument for a mild form of arranged marriage. Human individuals are often as corrupt as the family collective. It worked well for Apu after all.

    You’d have thought that this would mean no Indian Incels, right?

    But apparently Currycells exist despite this default access to the arranged marriage system.

    Which makes me think:

    It is not about actual sex.

    It is not about actual women.

    Is it about status?

    Is it about self-perception projected onto the world?

    (We all do this a bit, but the incel thing seems extreme and also more pathological than most.)

    KW, you have plumbed this sewer so we didn’t have to (thank you) – what does this all mean?

    Not a huge surprise that misogynists would also be racists. 

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    That someone could come up with this point of view is not surprising, but I am horrified that it is a movement. Thanks, magic internet, for making it possible for people to connect with each other. 

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  12. Ed G. Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    While there is definitely a subset who likes living on the edge, who gets off on danger, I think what most women mean by bad boys is really good guys who are exciting and who know how to cross boundaries in socially acceptable ways.

    It’s rare to hear “ideally I’m looking for a meth cook, to keep things interesting…”

    True, yet people do it. Some people like danger and drama.

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  13. TBA Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):
    I watched the video so you don’t have to:

    True friend.

    She’s 39 and complaining that men don’t give her enough attention. The comments are hilarious, but one seemed serious and on target. The guy said, “If you didn’t want me in your prime, I don’t want you in your decline.”

    So are incels the male equivalent? Meaning urealistic (self) perception and unrealistic expectations?

    Basically: these people are not engaging in a reality-based exercise. Or rather that their own personal realities have been projected uninterrogated to explain the world and how it functions?

    This. They have no actual experiences to compare their fears to. 

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  14. Henry Castaigne Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    That someone could come up with this point of view is not surprising, but I am horrified that it is a movement. Thanks, magic internet, for making it possible for people to connect with each other.

    It is similar to furries. Furrydom didn’t get really big until the internet where different furries could hang out with each other. I watched a documentary about on youtube. 

     

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  15. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Hank Rhody, Badgeless Bandito (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Being married off to someone I don’t know chosen by my parents, astrology, or a group of village elders doesn’t exactly appeal.

    Y’see, I’ve got to secure this alliance with Poland…

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  16. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Sorry. Repeat.

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  17. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    That someone could come up with this point of view is not surprising, but I am horrified that it is a movement. Thanks, magic internet, for making it possible for people to connect with each other.

    It is similar to furries. Furrydom didn’t get really big until the internet where different furries could hang out with each other. I watched a documentary about on youtube.

     

    I was idly Googling “Bob Hope Bing Crosby relationship“ once, out of boredom and curiosity. Somewhere, deep into the results pages I clicked on an fairly anodyne looking web page title. It was a 13 chapter, fictional story about a very explicit life long romantic relationship between the two of them. I think that twisted novella scarred my very soul, if only because, for the briefest of moments, it caused my poor brain to try to conjure up an image of nude, mid-70s Bob Hope. 

    The only thing that even approaches that is when I was looking for images/art for my Star Trek TOS post. Some monster created a very detailed black and white drawing of Bones, Spock, and Kirk circa STII engaged in unmentionable acts. Never go past page 2 on Google Images if you search those three names together. 

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  18. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    That someone could come up with this point of view is not surprising, but I am horrified that it is a movement. Thanks, magic internet, for making it possible for people to connect with each other.

    It is similar to furries. Furrydom didn’t get really big until the internet where different furries could hang out with each other. I watched a documentary about on youtube.

     

    I was idly Googling “Bob Hope Bing Crosby relationship“ once, out of boredom and curiosity. Somewhere, deep into the results pages I clicked on an fairly anodyne looking web page title. It was a 13 chapter, fictional story about a very explicit life long romantic relationship between the two of them. I think that twisted novella scarred my very soul, if only because, for the briefest of moments, it caused my poor brain to try to conjure up an image of nude, mid-70s Bob Hope.

    The only thing that even approaches that is when I was looking for images/art for my Star Trek TOS post. Some monster created a very detailed black and white drawing of Bones, Spock, and Kirk circa STII engaged in unmentionable acts. Never go past page 2 on Google Images if you search those three names together.

    Long story short, I can no longer watch Road films without traumatic flashbacks. 

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    That someone could come up with this point of view is not surprising, but I am horrified that it is a movement. Thanks, magic internet, for making it possible for people to connect with each other.

    It is similar to furries. Furrydom didn’t get really big until the internet where different furries could hang out with each other. I watched a documentary about on youtube.

     

    I was idly Googling “Bob Hope Bing Crosby relationship“ once, out of boredom and curiosity. Somewhere, deep into the results pages I clicked on an fairly anodyne looking web page title. It was a 13 chapter, fictional story about a very explicit life long romantic relationship between the two of them. I think that twisted novella scarred my very soul, if only because, for the briefest of moments, it caused my poor brain to try to conjure up an image of nude, mid-70s Bob Hope.

    The only thing that even approaches that is when I was looking for images/art for my Star Trek TOS post. Some monster created a very detailed black and white drawing of Bones, Spock, and Kirk circa STII engaged in unmentionable acts. Never go past page 2 on Google Images if you search those three names together.

    Thanks, KW.  Now you’ve got the image Bob hope’s cellulitic buttocks burned into my brain.

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  20. Arahant Member
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    We could be the first two members of the Ricochet Migraine Club.

    There are plenty of other members here.

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  21. Henry Castaigne Member
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Never go past page 2 on Google Images if you search those three names together. 

    This is why I agree with Jonah’s idea of having a .kids part of the internet that is censored for kid appropriate stuff. 

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  22. Arahant Member
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Long story short, I can no longer watch Road films without traumatic flashbacks. 

    And poor Dorothy Lamour was getting no attention from the boys.

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  23. Hank Rhody, Badgeless Bandito Contributor
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Never go past page 2 on Google Images if you search those three names together. 

    You could also set the content filter all the way back down to “medium”. Not that I’ve spent much time testing the theory, but they seem to work fairly well.

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  24. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Hank Rhody, Badgeless Bandito (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Never go past page 2 on Google Images if you search those three names together.

    You could also set the content filter all the way back down to “medium”. Not that I’ve spent much time testing the theory, but they seem to work fairly well.

    I don’t think I’d go past medium rare.

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    Percival (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Not to say that there aren’t unrealistic feminists …

    Would those be the feminists who are terribly affronted that men don’t want to date radical feminists? The ones that consider that reluctance dangerous?

    I say we round all of the incels, and all of the grumpy feminists, and dump them on an island somewhere to sort it all out. Maybe they will be happier. The rest of us definitely will be.

    Personally, I think both groups are very small and are being magnified by finding like-minded loons on the internet.

    Sadly, I don’t think the number of grumpy feminists is nearly as small as the number of incels, thanks to woke ideology.  I like your idea, though.

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  26. Percival Thatcher
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Not to say that there aren’t unrealistic feminists …

    Would those be the feminists who are terribly affronted that men don’t want to date radical feminists? The ones that consider that reluctance dangerous?

    I say we round all of the incels, and all of the grumpy feminists, and dump them on an island somewhere to sort it all out. Maybe they will be happier. The rest of us definitely will be.

    Personally, I think both groups are very small and are being magnified by finding like-minded loons on the internet.

    Sadly, I don’t think the number of grumpy feminists is nearly as small as the number of incels, thanks to woke ideology. I like your idea, though.

    I read a few articles of feminists making that complaint within the last few weeks. It was yet another problem with men, you see.

    My thoroughly chauvinist brain responded “Maybe it’s not them. Maybe it’s you.”

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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Not to say that there aren’t unrealistic feminists …

    Would those be the feminists who are terribly affronted that men don’t want to date radical feminists? The ones that consider that reluctance dangerous?

    I say we round all of the incels, and all of the grumpy feminists, and dump them on an island somewhere to sort it all out. Maybe they will be happier. The rest of us definitely will be.

    Personally, I think both groups are very small and are being magnified by finding like-minded loons on the internet.

    Sadly, I don’t think the number of grumpy feminists is nearly as small as the number of incels, thanks to woke ideology. I like your idea, though.

    Hmmm.  I don’t think that numeric imbalance would bother either group on an isolated island.

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Not to say that there aren’t unrealistic feminists …

    Would those be the feminists who are terribly affronted that men don’t want to date radical feminists? The ones that consider that reluctance dangerous?

    I say we round all of the incels, and all of the grumpy feminists, and dump them on an island somewhere to sort it all out. Maybe they will be happier. The rest of us definitely will be.

    Personally, I think both groups are very small and are being magnified by finding like-minded loons on the internet.

    Sadly, I don’t think the number of grumpy feminists is nearly as small as the number of incels, thanks to woke ideology. I like your idea, though.

    Yes, I’ve been wondering.  How many incels are there?

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  29. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    That someone could come up with this point of view is not surprising, but I am horrified that it is a movement. Thanks, magic internet, for making it possible for people to connect with each other.

    It is similar to furries. Furrydom didn’t get really big until the internet where different furries could hang out with each other. I watched a documentary about on youtube.

     

    I was idly Googling “Bob Hope Bing Crosby relationship“ once, out of boredom and curiosity. Somewhere, deep into the results pages I clicked on an fairly anodyne looking web page title. It was a 13 chapter, fictional story about a very explicit life long romantic relationship between the two of them. I think that twisted novella scarred my very soul, if only because, for the briefest of moments, it caused my poor brain to try to conjure up an image of nude, mid-70s Bob Hope.

    The only thing that even approaches that is when I was looking for images/art for my Star Trek TOS post. Some monster created a very detailed black and white drawing of Bones, Spock, and Kirk circa STII engaged in unmentionable acts. Never go past page 2 on Google Images if you search those three names together.

    Thanks, KW. Now you’ve got the image Bob hope’s cellulitic buttocks burned into my brain.

    It’s the new “Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!”, but so, so much worse. 

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    Flicker (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Not to say that there aren’t unrealistic feminists …

    Would those be the feminists who are terribly affronted that men don’t want to date radical feminists? The ones that consider that reluctance dangerous?

    I say we round all of the incels, and all of the grumpy feminists, and dump them on an island somewhere to sort it all out. Maybe they will be happier. The rest of us definitely will be.

    Personally, I think both groups are very small and are being magnified by finding like-minded loons on the internet.

    Sadly, I don’t think the number of grumpy feminists is nearly as small as the number of incels, thanks to woke ideology. I like your idea, though.

    Yes, I’ve been wondering. How many incels are there?

    It’s difficult to say, most estimates put it between the tens and hundreds of thousands, but I think the later is international or in the West at large. Naming the number of incels is kind of like trying to say how many radical Muslim sectarians there are in the world, definitional problems arise and self-reporting would obviously be very skewed.

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