Quote of the Day: The American Crisis

 

“These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.” – Thomas Paine, The American Crisis

I have two questions for everyone who is sure that Donald Trump will lose this November:

  1. Do you know anyone who voted for Donald Trump in 2016 who will not vote for him on 2020?
  2. Do you know anyone who did not vote for Trump in  2016 who plans to vote for him in 2020?

I suspect the answer to the first question is no and the answer to the second question is yes.

In the first question, I mean someone who actually voted for the man in 2016; not folks who tell you today they voted for him, but you know were never-Trumpers in 2016 and either did not vote for him or voted for Hillary. People who told you the day after the 2016 election they voted for Trump and tell you today they will not vote for him this time. Do you personally now anyone enthusiastic for Trump in 2016 who plans on voting for Biden in 2020?

Similarly, the polls show the Republicans are headed to be blown out in 2020. That we will lose the Senate and the Democrats will widen their margin in the House. And yet . . .

People know the Democrats are extending the lockdowns, people know the Democrats are supporting the riots, people know the Democrats are supporting the Maoist cancel culture, people know the Democrats’ policies are hurting minorities.

The Democrats are the British Army in this second American Revolution. They seem all-powerful, holding the cities. But who won the first American Revolution. A raggle-taggle set of colonists.

You are being gaslighted by a Democrat media and a largely pro-Democrat elite. People are holding Back the Blue rallies which go unreported. Blacks and minorities are deeply unhappy about defunding the police, but this goes unreported. People in America’s heartland know what will happen to their right of self-defense and their right to bear arms if the Democrats win in November. People are deeply unhappy about what the Democrat-backed education establishment is doing to their children’s education.

Yet we are expected to believe that sheeplike, people will bury this anger and fall in line behind the Democrats in November.

Maybe. I will believe it only after I see it. Yes, there are some “conservatives” who support this. But they did not support the conservative agenda in 2016 and we won without them.

My advice is to stop listening to the news and the polls and listen to your common sense instead. Nothing that the press is telling us makes sense. We know they lied to us about Russiagate, about Neil Gorsuch, about the “mostly peaceful” riots, and about the true danger of COVID. About a lot of other things, too. Listen to what your common sense tells you instead. Do not despair. That is what the Democrats want. Do not be a sunshine soldier or a summer patriot. Push on until November.

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  1. Seawriter Contributor
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    It’s easy to say one is an RVAT.

    The V is silent?

    If only they were silent.

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  2. Weeping Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    If you go “Republican Voters Against Trump” or rvat.org you will see numerous testimonials by dozens of people in every state of Republicans who (claim to have) voted for Trump in 2016, but won’t in 2020.

    Fixed it for you, Gary. :)

     

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    My suggestion is that you go to the website and listen to the stories from people from your state.  I listened to the posted stories from Republicans in Arizona.  https://rvat.org/

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  4. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    My suggestion is that you go to the website and listen to the stories from people from your state. I listened to the posted stories from Republicans in Arizona. https://rvat.org/

    Any info on how these individuals were selected?

    Were their voter registrations at least verified?

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    From electoral-vote.com.  Biden 378, Trump 150, Tied 16 (Georgia).  Senate D: 51, R: 47, Tied 2 (MT and SC).

     https://www.electoral-vote.com/

     

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    My suggestion is that you go to the website and listen to the stories from people from your state. I listened to the posted stories from Republicans in Arizona. https://rvat.org/

    Any info on how these individuals were selected?

    They volunteered and made a recording.

    Were their voter registrations at least verified?

    I don’t know.  

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  7. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    From electoral-vote.com. Biden 378, Trump 150, Tied 16 (Georgia). Senate D: 51, R: 47, Tied 2 (MT and SC).

    https://www.electoral-vote.com/

    Well, you’re enabling it.  You should be, and I assume are, happy.

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    Here is the electoral-vote tally of Biden 378, Trump 150, Tied 16.    https://www.electoral-vote.com/

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  9. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    My suggestion is that you go to the website and listen to the stories from people from your state. I listened to the posted stories from Republicans in Arizona. https://rvat.org/

    Any info on how these individuals were selected?

    They volunteered and made a recording.

    Were their voter registrations at least verified?

    I don’t know.

    Thanks for the response.  So they could be anybody, especially activist Democrats.

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    Here is the Senate map:  D: 51, R: 47, Tied 2.

    https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Senate/Maps/Aug03.html

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    My suggestion is that you go to the website and listen to the stories from people from your state. I listened to the posted stories from Republicans in Arizona. https://rvat.org/

    Any info on how these individuals were selected?

    They volunteered and made a recording.

    Were their voter registrations at least verified?

    I don’t know.

    Thanks for the response. So they could be anybody, especially activist Democrats.

    They look and sound like Republicans.  Hoyacon, since I think that you live in Maryland, here is “Dorian” who says that she has voted for every Republican since Reagan.

    https://rvat.org/#homePageStories

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  12. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Here is the electoral-vote tally of Biden 378, Trump 150, Tied 16. https://www.electoral-vote.com/

    I understand that it serves your purpose, but, even if one buys the polling, that’s a terrible chart in terms of the final numbers.  They count “barely” in the win column, as well as however they interpret “likely.”   It’s all or nothing., which is ridiculous.

     

     

     

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  13. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    My suggestion is that you go to the website and listen to the stories from people from your state. I listened to the posted stories from Republicans in Arizona. https://rvat.org/

    Any info on how these individuals were selected?

    They volunteered and made a recording.

    Were their voter registrations at least verified?

    I don’t know.

    Thanks for the response. So they could be anybody, especially activist Democrats.

    They look and sound like Republicans. Hoyacon, since I think that you live in Maryland, here is “Dorian” who says that she has voted for every Republican since Reagan.

    https://rvat.org/#homePageStories

    I’m sure some of them are “legitimate.” I’m also sure that some of them are not.  Without knowing the process of selection by an organization with a vested interest in the selection, I don’t see how anyone could put much trust in the end result.

    BTW, I live in Virginia, but know Maryland quite well.  The area, including DC, has become one gigantic blue blob.

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  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Here is the electoral-vote tally of Biden 378, Trump 150, Tied 16. https://www.electoral-vote.com/

    I understand that it serves your purpose, but, even if one buys the polling, that’s a terrible chart in terms of the final numbers. They count “barely” in the win column, as well as however they interpret “likely.” It’s all or nothing., which is ridiculous.

    Actually, the vote totals were as follows:

    Strongly Dem  233 (Dark Blue such as MI)

    Likely Dem  80 (Light Blue such as AZ)

    Barely Dem  59 (Blue Outline such as TX)

    Exactly Tied  16 (Fully White such as GA)

    Barely GOP  36 (Red Outline such as UT)

    Likely GOP  27 (Light Red such as MT)

    Strongly GOP 87 (Dark Red such as WY)

    With just the Strongly and Likely Dem, Biden is already at 313 electoral college votes 43 more than he needs. With the Barely Dem, he goes up to 372, a full 102 votes more than the 270 that he needs.

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    My suggestion is that you go to the website and listen to the stories from people from your state. I listened to the posted stories from Republicans in Arizona. https://rvat.org/

    Any info on how these individuals were selected?

    They volunteered and made a recording.

    Were their voter registrations at least verified?

    I don’t know.

    Thanks for the response. So they could be anybody, especially activist Democrats.

    They look and sound like Republicans. Hoyacon, since I think that you live in Maryland, here is “Dorian” who says that she has voted for every Republican since Reagan.

    https://rvat.org/#homePageStories

    I’m sure some of them are “legitimate.” I’m also sure that some of them are not. Without knowing the process of selection by an organization with a vested interest in the selection, I don’t see how anyone could put much trust in the end result.

    BTW, I live in Virginia, but know Maryland quite well. The area, including DC, has become one gigantic blue blob.

    Well, George W. Bush won Virginia twice.  Here is Steve from Virginia.  Since you are an attorney, I thought that you would like to hear from Steve.  He ran for Congress in 1996.  He voted Republican for President 10 times in a row, wrote in a friend in 2016, and will vote for Biden in 2020.

     

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  16. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Here is the electoral-vote tally of Biden 378, Trump 150, Tied 16. https://www.electoral-vote.com/

    I understand that it serves your purpose, but, even if one buys the polling, that’s a terrible chart in terms of the final numbers. They count “barely” in the win column, as well as however they interpret “likely.” It’s all or nothing., which is ridiculous.

    Actually, the vote totals were as follows:

    Strongly Dem 233 (Dark Blue such as MI)

    Likely Dem 80 (Light Blue such as AZ)

    Barely Dem 59 (Blue Outline such as TX)

    Exactly Tied 16 (Fully White such as GA)

    Barely GOP 36 (Red Outline such as UT)

    Likely GOP 27 (Light Red such as MT)

    Strongly GOP 87 (Dark Red such as WY)

    With just the Strongly and Likely Dem, Biden is already at 313 electoral college votes 43 more than he needs. With the Barely Dem, he goes up to 372, a full 102 votes more than the 270 that he needs.

    What does the “actually” mean?  You merely restated what I criticized. 

    “Likely” is subject to interpretation. There’s very good reason to question the polls, but, if you are out to make Trump look bad, let’s at least find a chart that does “leaning” etc. as a separate category.

    Do you have the predictions from this website in 2016?

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  17. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    My suggestion is that you go to the website and listen to the stories from people from your state. I listened to the posted stories from Republicans in Arizona. https://rvat.org/

    Any info on how these individuals were selected?

    They volunteered and made a recording.

    Were their voter registrations at least verified?

    I don’t know.

    Thanks for the response. So they could be anybody, especially activist Democrats.

    They look and sound like Republicans. Hoyacon, since I think that you live in Maryland, here is “Dorian” who says that she has voted for every Republican since Reagan.

    https://rvat.org/#homePageStories

    I’m sure some of them are “legitimate.” I’m also sure that some of them are not. Without knowing the process of selection by an organization with a vested interest in the selection, I don’t see how anyone could put much trust in the end result.

    BTW, I live in Virginia, but know Maryland quite well. The area, including DC, has become one gigantic blue blob.

    Well, George W. Bush won Virginia twice. Here is Steve from Virginia. Since you are an attorney, I thought that you would like to hear from Steve. He ran for Congress in 1996. He voted Republican for President 10 times in a row, wrote in a friend in 2016, and will vote for Biden in 2020.

    I made it as far as Steve accusing Trump of using the Justice Dept. as a “mafia knee-cracker.”  Bye, bye, Steve.

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  18. Seawriter Contributor
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    Gary,please tell us if anyone you personally know vocally supported Donald Trump, voted for him in 2016 and back in 2016 publicly stated he voted for Trump who does not plan to vote for Trump in 2020. That was one question I asked. Answer it or get off the thread. 

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Here is the electoral-vote tally of Biden 378, Trump 150, Tied 16. https://www.electoral-vote.com/

    I understand that it serves your purpose, but, even if one buys the polling, that’s a terrible chart in terms of the final numbers. They count “barely” in the win column, as well as however they interpret “likely.” It’s all or nothing., which is ridiculous.

    Actually, the vote totals were as follows:

    Strongly Dem 233 (Dark Blue such as MI)

    Likely Dem 80 (Light Blue such as AZ)

    Barely Dem 59 (Blue Outline such as TX)

    Exactly Tied 16 (Fully White such as GA)

    Barely GOP 36 (Red Outline such as UT)

    Likely GOP 27 (Light Red such as MT)

    Strongly GOP 87 (Dark Red such as WY)

    With just the Strongly and Likely Dem, Biden is already at 313 electoral college votes 43 more than he needs. With the Barely Dem, he goes up to 372, a full 102 votes more than the 270 that he needs.

    What does the “actually” mean? You merely restated what I criticized.

    “Likely” is subject to interpretation. There’s very good reason to question the polls, but, if you are out to make Trump look bad, let’s at least find a chart that does “leaning” etc. as a separate category.

    Do you have the predictions from this website in 2016?

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  20. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    With just the Strongly and Likely Dem, Biden is already at 313 electoral college votes 43 more than he needs. With the Barely Dem, he goes up to 372, a full 102 votes more than the 270 that he needs.

    Of course, Biden doesn’t have a single one of those votes yet.

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  21. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Push polling and gaslighting. Classic Dem tactics because their ideas are un-American and unacceptable to freedom loving peoples. 

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  22. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Do you have the predictions from this website in 2016?

    Wisconsin and Pennsylvania likely Clinton,  QED.

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary,please tell us if anyone you personally know vocally supported Donald Trump, voted for him in 2016 and back in 2016 publicly stated he voted for Trump who does not plan to vote for Trump in 2020. That was one question I asked. Answer it or get off the thread.

    Hi Seawriter, Here is John from Texas who loved for Trump over Hillary.

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Do you have the predictions from this website in 2016?

    Wisconsin and Pennsylvania likely Clinton, QED.

    No, only Wisconsin was “Likely Dem.”  Pennsylvania was “Barely Dem.”

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  25. Seawriter Contributor
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary,please tell us if anyone you personally know vocally supported Donald Trump, voted for him in 2016 and back in 2016 publicly stated he voted for Trump who does not plan to vote for Trump in 2020. That was one question I asked. Answer it or get off the thread.

    Hi Seawriter, Here is John from Texas who loved for Trump over Hillary.

    And you know this guy? You know he actually stated back in 2016 he voted for Trump? Or is this just more spam from the gaslighting work?

    Answer my question: Do you personally know someone who voted for Trump in 2016, who stated vocally in 2016  that he voted for Trump, and today states he is not voting for Trump in 2020? If not, all of your comments are gaslighting.

     

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  26. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Do you have the predictions from this website in 2016?

    Wisconsin and Pennsylvania likely Clinton, QED.

    No, only Wisconsin was “Likely Dem.” Pennsylvania was “Barely Dem.”

    I stand corrected, but they still counted both Pennsylvania and Florida in their vote totals for Hillary.  This goes directly to my criticism of their methods up above.  

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary,please tell us if anyone you personally know vocally supported Donald Trump, voted for him in 2016 and back in 2016 publicly stated he voted for Trump who does not plan to vote for Trump in 2020. That was one question I asked. Answer it or get off the thread.

    Hi Seawriter, Here is John from Texas who loved for Trump over Hillary.

    And you know this guy? You know he actually stated back in 2016 he voted for Trump? Or is this just more spam from the gaslighting work?

    Answer my question: Do you personally know someone who voted for Trump in 2016, who stated vocally in 2016 that he voted for Trump, and today states he is not voting for Trump in 2020? If not, all of your comments are gaslighting.

    Oh, I am working on two of them right now.

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  28. Seawriter Contributor
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary,please tell us if anyone you personally know vocally supported Donald Trump, voted for him in 2016 and back in 2016 publicly stated he voted for Trump who does not plan to vote for Trump in 2020. That was one question I asked. Answer it or get off the thread.

    Hi Seawriter, Here is John from Texas who loved for Trump over Hillary.

    And you know this guy? You know he actually stated back in 2016 he voted for Trump? Or is this just more spam from the gaslighting work?

    Answer my question: Do you personally know someone who voted for Trump in 2016, who stated vocally in 2016 that he voted for Trump, and today states he is not voting for Trump in 2020? If not, all of your comments are gaslighting.

    Oh, I am working on one right now.

    So the answer is no. Thank you. That means all the stuff you have posted represents your hopes and dreams instead of reality.

     

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  29. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary,please tell us if anyone you personally know vocally supported Donald Trump, voted for him in 2016 and back in 2016 publicly stated he voted for Trump who does not plan to vote for Trump in 2020. That was one question I asked. Answer it or get off the thread.

    Hi Seawriter, Here is John from Texas who loved for Trump over Hillary.

    I sort of believe this guy because of the bibles on his bookshelf. But he doesn’t come across as terribly bright.   He professes to follow conservative principles, but can “live with” a President Biden.  How do you argue with that?  He also did not like Cruz, so is he really “conservative?

    He also admits to being an extremely reluctant Trump voter in the first place, and appears to have no clue about basic facts involving Lafayette Park.

    I suppose, if the question is whether very reluctant 2016 Trump voters who are uninformed about recent event will sit out 2020, this counts.  Note he doesn’t say he is voting for Biden.

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  30. Gary Robbins Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Gary,please tell us if anyone you personally know vocally supported Donald Trump, voted for him in 2016 and back in 2016 publicly stated he voted for Trump who does not plan to vote for Trump in 2020. That was one question I asked. Answer it or get off the thread.

    Hi Seawriter, Here is John from Texas who loved for Trump over Hillary.

    And you know this guy? You know he actually stated back in 2016 he voted for Trump? Or is this just more spam from the gaslighting work?

    Answer my question: Do you personally know someone who voted for Trump in 2016, who stated vocally in 2016 that he voted for Trump, and today states he is not voting for Trump in 2020? If not, all of your comments are gaslighting.

    Oh, I am working on one right now.

    So the answer is no. Thank you. That means all the stuff you have posted represents your hopes and dreams instead of reality.

    Actually I am working on two, and a third person was in the office today and was not registered to vote.  

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