Democrats No Longer See Republicans as Fellow Citizens

 

One difficulty that Abraham Lincoln had in fighting the Civil War was that he understood that if the Union won, they would then be fellow citizens with the newly defeated Confederates.  He was fighting a war against people with whom he had a great deal in common, and with whom he would have to cooperate to govern their unified country in the future.  This somewhat limited his ability to ruthlessly destroy his opponent, and made his battle planning more complex.

Yesterday’s hearings with Attorney General Barr looked to me like the Democrats don’t feel similarly constrained.  In fact, the last few decades of leftist behavior suggests that American leftists no longer feel that they have enough in common with American conservatives to make an effort to cooperate with them on, well, on nearly anything.  I find this extremely concerning.

Many Democrats openly disdain Republicans and avoid associating with them.  If a college student is outed as a closet conservative, even if it’s not true, the social stigmatizing of that student is absolutely vicious.  A girl who is set to start as a freshman at Marquette this fall nearly lost her admission to Marquette because she openly admitted that she was a Republican.  These are not isolated incidents, and they are no longer limited to academia.  Cancel culture is now mainstream.

When you add the vicious social stigma to the literally vicious new militant wings of the Democrat party, like Black Lives Matter, Antifa, NFA, and so on, you end up with an extremely hostile environment for Republicans.  Republicans no longer feel welcome in their own country.

In yesterday’s hearing, Attorney General Barr asked the assembled Democrats,

“This is the first time in my memory that the leaders of one of our two great political parties, the Democratic Party, are not coming out and condemning mob violence,” he said. “Can’t we just say the violence against the federal courts has to stop? Could we hear something like that?”

The room was silent. The attorney general challenged their loyalty, and not a single Democrat objected. For them, it was just another day at the office.

This trend did not start with President Trump.  This sort of thing was starting when I was in college in the late ’80s; it’s much, much worse now.  Democrats and Republicans used to be friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens, but over the past few decades, Democrats appear to have reached the conclusion that they don’t have enough in common with Republicans to make any effort to cooperate with them in any way.

The Civil War appears almost civil by comparison.  That’s an exaggeration, but not by as much as I’d like.

So imagine what happens if the Democrats win this next election.  Heck, imagine what happens if they lose.

I don’t see how this can end well.

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  1. Bob Thompson Member
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    I’ve never seen a congressional committee display what we saw yesterday with every single member of one party acting as if they had been injected with something that makes them all of one mind, and that being stupid.

    Was it worse than Kavanaugh or Clarence Thomas or Bork? (My memory runs out there) Oh! House Un-American Activities!

    I think we want that to be displayed by our own party. Except for the stupid part, but stupid means “disagrees with me”.

    I mean, we wanted that when Holder was being questioned about Fast and Furious, and Hillary was being grilled on Benghazi. and all those times we lamented, “Why can’t Republicans run these hearing like Democrats?”

    Like I said, it’s pro wrestling theater, and we want our people to throw chairs, too.

    In summary, I grieve with the original post, and that the right does that, too. I’ll concede we’re not as good at it with actual politicians.

    I trust that you would want those standing up for the Republicans with a consistency comparable to the Democrats to be standing up for the truth and not lies like with saw yesterday and in the Kavanaugh, Thomas, or Bork.

    I wish you hadn’t included the House Un-American Activities. I used to think one way on that but these last few years have caused a reconsideration.

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  2. Arvo Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):
    The only thing I’m contrarian about is that there are a lot of voices on the right that think the same way about the left. I’m sad about that, too.

    I’m a strong believer and supporter of America’s founding principles embodied, to the degree possible, at the founding and then amended, sometimes in accordance with those principles and sometimes not, so I’m a constitutional conservative.

    I am like minded.  If I say in lockstep, some lefties will think we like goosestepping together.

    I make no choice to be on the ‘right’ as opposed to the ‘left’.

    I do.  I’m right of center, hence my affinity for Ricochet and its members.

    If you are not able to see that the Left in America does not support the Constitution, I would say that is why we are making contrary statements here. The Left is consistently moving further away from supporting the Constitution and demonstrates that by embracing the China governed by the CCP.

    You’ve got two things going on in this statement.

    One, the Left does support the Constitution, just ask them.  But they sure do interpret things differently.  I usually vehemently disagree with the Left’s interpretation of the Constitution.  Some elements want a new constitution, but that’s an idea that’s also thrown around on the right, with vastly different aims.

    Two, the left’s support of China, and I’m thinking Krugman’s pining for the CCP pragmatic efficiency, is certainly strong evidence of a very different approach to life than we on the right support.

     

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  3. Arvo Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unhelpful Com… (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):
    Like I said, it’s pro wrestling theater, and we want our people to throw chairs, too.

    But they don’t. Which makes the “both sides are guilty” comparison a little silly.

    We’ve always said that our politicians were incompetent in that regard, RINO squishes and such.

    I suppose innocent by incompetence is virtuous, in a way.

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  4. Bob Thompson Member
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):
    The only thing I’m contrarian about is that there are a lot of voices on the right that think the same way about the left. I’m sad about that, too.

    I’m a strong believer and supporter of America’s founding principles embodied, to the degree possible, at the founding and then amended, sometimes in accordance with those principles and sometimes not, so I’m a constitutional conservative.

    I am like minded. If I say in lockstep, some lefties will think we like goosestepping together.

    I make no choice to be on the ‘right’ as opposed to the ‘left’.

    I do. I’m right of center, hence my affinity for Ricochet and its members.

    If you are not able to see that the Left in America does not support the Constitution, I would say that is why we are making contrary statements here. The Left is consistently moving further away from supporting the Constitution and demonstrates that by embracing the China governed by the CCP.

    You’ve got two things going on in this statement.

    One, the Left does support the Constitution, just ask them. But they sure do interpret things differently. I usually vehemently disagree with the Left’s interpretation of the Constitution. Some elements want a new constitution, but that’s an idea that’s also thrown around on the right, with vastly different aims.

    Two, the left’s support of China, and I’m thinking Krugman’s pining for the CCP pragmatic efficiency, is certainly strong evidence of a very different approach to life than we on the right support.

     

    Does the Left support individual liberty and the Bill of Rights? We can see that they support Communism.

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  5. James Gawron Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unhelpful Com… (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):
    Like I said, it’s pro wrestling theater, and we want our people to throw chairs, too.

    But they don’t. Which makes the “both sides are guilty” comparison a little silly.

    Drew,

    On top of everything you’ve said can you imagine pitting one lone old guy on AM Radio against ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, 99 out of 100 Entertainment media types, and 9 out of 10 recent Ivy League graduates with top jobs in corporations and government.

    Of course, every so often the old guy gets a good zinger in there. No foul language, no obscene sexual references, and no actual physical threats of violence, all of which the left continuously participates in on a daily basis. Damn that old guy. If this one old guy would just be nicer then everything would be just like it was under Ike. Bad Rush.

    BTW, I haven’t listened to him in years. Is he still alive or did he die already?

    Regards,

    Jim

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  6. Arvo Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    I trust that you would want those standing up for the Republicans with a consistency comparable to the Democrats to be standing up for the truth and not lies like with saw yesterday and in the Kavanaugh, Thomas, or Bork.

    Of course.

    FWIW, there’s probably some other website where some liberals are saying, “Wasn’t it great how our guys told Barr the truth yesterday?”

    But that’s a whole ‘nother problem.

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  7. Arvo Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):
    The only thing I’m contrarian about is that there are a lot of voices on the right that think the same way about the left. I’m sad about that, too.

    I’m a strong believer and supporter of America’s founding principles embodied, to the degree possible, at the founding and then amended, sometimes in accordance with those principles and sometimes not, so I’m a constitutional conservative.

    I am like minded. If I say in lockstep, some lefties will think we like goosestepping together.

    I make no choice to be on the ‘right’ as opposed to the ‘left’.

    I do. I’m right of center, hence my affinity for Ricochet and its members.

    If you are not able to see that the Left in America does not support the Constitution, I would say that is why we are making contrary statements here. The Left is consistently moving further away from supporting the Constitution and demonstrates that by embracing the China governed by the CCP.

    You’ve got two things going on in this statement.

    One, the Left does support the Constitution, just ask them. But they sure do interpret things differently. I usually vehemently disagree with the Left’s interpretation of the Constitution. Some elements want a new constitution, but that’s an idea that’s also thrown around on the right, with vastly different aims.

    Two, the left’s support of China, and I’m thinking Krugman’s pining for the CCP pragmatic efficiency, is certainly strong evidence of a very different approach to life than we on the right support.

     

    Does the Left support individual liberty and the Bill of Rights? We can see that they support Communism.

    Of course, just ask them!  They prioritize things a lot differently than we do.

    You raise an interesting philosophical question, could a Communist government be legislated under the Constitution?

    It’d take months just to work out the definition of terms of that analysis.

    And I bet we could find a few who say that we’ve got one now.

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  8. Bob Thompson Member
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):
    The only thing I’m contrarian about is that there are a lot of voices on the right that think the same way about the left. I’m sad about that, too.

    I’m a strong believer and supporter of America’s founding principles embodied, to the degree possible, at the founding and then amended, sometimes in accordance with those principles and sometimes not, so I’m a constitutional conservative.

    I am like minded. If I say in lockstep, some lefties will think we like goosestepping together.

    I make no choice to be on the ‘right’ as opposed to the ‘left’.

    I do. I’m right of center, hence my affinity for Ricochet and its members.

    If you are not able to see that the Left in America does not support the Constitution, I would say that is why we are making contrary statements here. The Left is consistently moving further away from supporting the Constitution and demonstrates that by embracing the China governed by the CCP.

    You’ve got two things going on in this statement.

    One, the Left does support the Constitution, just ask them. But they sure do interpret things differently. I usually vehemently disagree with the Left’s interpretation of the Constitution. Some elements want a new constitution, but that’s an idea that’s also thrown around on the right, with vastly different aims.

    Two, the left’s support of China, and I’m thinking Krugman’s pining for the CCP pragmatic efficiency, is certainly strong evidence of a very different approach to life than we on the right support.

     

    Does the Left support individual liberty and the Bill of Rights? We can see that they support Communism.

    Of course, just ask them! They prioritize things a lot differently than we do.

    You raise an interesting philosophical question, could a Communist government be legislated under the Constitution?

    It’d take months just to work out the definition of terms of that analysis.

    And I bet we could find a few who say that we’ve got one now.

    The Left’s behavior towards free expression does not demonstrate support for individual liberty. And they don’t want me to have guns so they don’t support the Bill of Rights. I don’t know why you keep referring to what they say when it is what a person does that shows their character and beliefs. They can try to amend the Constitution to better fit their priorities.

     

     

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  9. James Gawron Inactive
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    You raise an interesting philosophical question, could a Communist government be legislated under the Constitution?

    It’d take months just to work out the definition of terms of that analysis.

    Arvo,

    You wouldn’t have months if a real Communist government took over. They’d put you in a dungeon. After interrogation, the secret police officer would put his pistol to your head and pull the trigger. Thus all interesting philosophical questions would be at an end.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  10. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    This hatred is a logical necessity given the nature of the movement at work.

    First, take a look at the pack of losers who attacked AG Barr. Nadler is a buffoon. Hank Johnson is the idiot who once asked an admiral hearing witness whether the island of Guam might tip over (he thinks Pacific islands float). Eric Swalwell may be the single most obnoxious man in Congress–think of how stiff that competition is. And then there is the deeply, deeply pathetic Ted Lieu. (see pic below.) Why are such detectives in office and not even expected to try to conceal their deficiencies?

    Having a moron who can be made to vote the party line without a glimmer of independent thought is perfect for the times. From safe districts, they know that unless the money people fund a primary challenger, they are in for life.

    But the dumbing-down is not just in Congress. It is all around us. Universities are pruning genuine scholars and independent minds. Antifa and BLM are movements for people who can’t do math, know nothing about law, history, or much of anything else. Google, CNN, and the NYT are ruthlessly purging actual educated, independent minds–not just conservatives.

    There is a militant campaign to install stupid people in every key position in American life and make non-idiots uncomfortable and fearful.

    I am so old, I can remember when the left deferred to and valued scholars and never feared open debate because they just assumed that with the possible exception of William F. Buckley, they were smarter than anybody on the right.

    What has happened is that intersectionality/critical theory is self-devouring. All of the instruments of intellectual life–language, art, history, accumulated culture, science, epistemology etc–are deemed hopelessly contaminated by some form of hegemony (race, class, whatever) and ultimately must be eliminated.

    The left has unleashed an intellectual and moral auto-immune disease that is attacking everything and is already devouring what used to be the American left and in a sick Darwinian twist, naturally selects for compliant morons.

     

    I think you would like to read the book, Age of Entitlement

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  11. Henry Castaigne Member
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    James Gawron (View Comment):
    James Gawron Ricochet Charter Member

    Dr. B,

    During my lifetime, I have watched the Democratic Party devolve from a defender of the lower middle class working person to a promoter of snowflake fantasies at the expense of all. They developed the deconstructionist/ intersectionalist/ nihilist passive-aggressive attack. With this weapon, irrespective of facts or reality itself, they could viciously accuse everyone around them of racism, sexism, or simply fascism.

    Remember when working class white dudes who went to church voted Democrat? Remember when Democrats actually liked working class white people? The past is truly a foreign country.

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  12. Arvo Inactive
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    James Gawron (View Comment):
    You wouldn’t have months if a real Communist government took over. They’d put you in a dungeon. After interrogation, the secret police officer would put his pistol to your head and pull the trigger. Thus all interesting philosophical questions would be at an end.

    Exactly what happened to my grandfather.

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  13. Henry Castaigne Member
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    StChristopher (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Very sobering, but accurate as well. I share your concern. I have a 24-year old grandson who is heavily involved in Democrat politics, and it literally consumes him; every aspect of his life revolves around politics and controversy. Unfortunately, that seems to be very common in his age group. No humor, not much fun that I can see.

    I’ve lost a close friend to this madness. She came to our house for dinner on many Sundays. We traveled together in Portugal with a group of friends. We hiked the NW together. All this is over. She’s sullen and consumed by race politics and demonstrations. She goes to the riots repeatedly. No more smiles or easy laughs. Just political lectures and serious looks. All of a sudden she’s discovered how much she hates this country and it has made her very unhappy.

    I am interested in this. What color is she? My guess is white because if she was a black-American lady, she would have thought about this stuff before BLM became fashionable. 

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  14. Henry Castaigne Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unhelpful Com… (View Comment):

    Arvo (View Comment):
    The re-escalation of racial issues has been couched as a Marxist/Anarchist attempt to have a revolution because there are Marxist/Anarchist elements who are always looking for an occasion, even though most people on both sides aren’t remotely interested.

    This is the first time I can recall where my leftist friends — those who I once thought of as rather apolitical such that I didn’t even know they were on the left — are fully on board with the Marxism. They’ve bought into the message shouted at them by the entertainment, media, corporate sector and they don’t know of any other way to think. It’s alarming. And I think you err by dismissing it as “same old same old.”

    Isn’t it odd that they agree with everything on the left? Historically, there have been so many different kinds of leftism. Some were liberal, some were deeply religious, some were even skeptical of some manifestations of state power. Yet now, all the leftists agree on everything from transgender bathrooms to taxation to reparations from slavery.

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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Unhelpful Communicator Member
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    James Gawron (View Comment):
    On top of everything you’ve said can you imagine pitting one lone old guy on AM Radio against ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, 99 out of 100 Entertainment media types, and 9 out of 10 recent Ivy League graduates with top jobs in corporations and government.

    Well, not with Big Tech censoring everything. No. And with Republicans in congress stepping in to defend Big Tech from charges of censorship . . . nope.

    We have alternative media . . . for now. Google has done its best to throttle it. See recent reports from Breitbart about how Google has systematically diminished their reach since 2017.

    We crossed the Rubicon some time back. Now we need fighters. And we seem to have appeasers instead.

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  16. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):
    You wouldn’t have months if a real Communist government took over. They’d put you in a dungeon. After interrogation, the secret police officer would put his pistol to your head and pull the trigger. Thus all interesting philosophical questions would be at an end.

    Exactly what happened to my grandfather.

    Sorry for your loss. 

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  17. danok1 Member
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    Arvo (View Comment):
    Some elements want a new constitution, but that’s an idea that’s also thrown around on the right, with vastly different aims.

    Can you provide examples of this? I’ve heard of (and support) efforts to amend the Constitution to repeal the 17th Amendment, clarify the Commerce Clause, and a few other things. There’s also an effort to have Congress do its duty and call an Article V amendment convention, since more than 2/3 of the states have applied for one.

    But I’m not aware of any effort on the right to draw up a whole new Constitution.

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  18. Arvo Inactive
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    danok1 (View Comment):
    Can you provide examples of this? I’ve heard of (and support) efforts to amend the Constitution to repeal the 17th Amendment, clarify the Commerce Clause, and a few other things. There’s also an effort to have Congress do its duty and call an Article V amendment convention, since more than 2/3 of the states have applied for one.

    Right, that’s the vastly different aims.

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  19. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unhelpful Com… (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):
    On top of everything you’ve said can you imagine pitting one lone old guy on AM Radio against ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, 99 out of 100 Entertainment media types, and 9 out of 10 recent Ivy League graduates with top jobs in corporations and government.

    Well, not with Big Tech censoring everything. No. And with Republicans in congress stepping in to defend Big Tech from charges of censorship . . . nope.

    We have alternative media . . . for now. Google has done its best to throttle it. See recent reports from Breitbart about how Google has systematically diminished their reach since 2017.

    We crossed the Rubicon some time back. Now we need fighters. And we seem to have appeasers instead.

    “Appeasers”?  Did I hear Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan’s names mentioned?

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Unhelpful Communicator Member
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    danok1 (View Comment):
    But I’m not aware of any effort on the right to draw up a whole new Constitution.

    Nor am I.

    And I would prefer we move back toward the Constitution we have — which is one of the most remarkable documents in the history of the world — than letting this generation of idiots come up with something new.

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  21. danok1 Member
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    danok1 (View Comment):
    Can you provide examples of this? I’ve heard of (and support) efforts to amend the Constitution to repeal the 17th Amendment, clarify the Commerce Clause, and a few other things. There’s also an effort to have Congress do its duty and call an Article V amendment convention, since more than 2/3 of the states have applied for one.

    Right, that’s the vastly different aims.

    IMHO, wanting to amend the Constitution in accordance with the procedures under Article V is a completely different thing than wanting “a new constitution.”

    Unless you think that each amendment creates a “new constitution.” Which is not a thing.

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  22. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: Democrats No Longer See Republicans as Fellow Citizens

    i.e. The literal definition of the word “hate”.  “To treat as an enemy.”

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  23. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Republicans have not always been “conservative.”  In fact, conservative, like progressive or even fascist, is a term that has changed over the past fifty years.  I would suggest that the word conservative is becoming more succinct and now has returned more to its ideological roots, that is preservative of what is customary and good.  In America that means a conservative is protective of the constitution and the governance our founders attempted to create.  The problem is, Republicans have not been conservative in the past.  They have acquiesced to their opposition and allowed our principles to drift, our constitution to be corrupted, our treasury to be serially bankrupted, our government to be abbrogated to unaccountable bureacrats, our congress to be infiltrated by entrenched grifters and our nation to be nearly lost.  The Democrats were always spineless and feckless, ready to join whatever empathy fest for groups the hard left determined were the victims of the hour.  Now the Left has their mob and they are posed to force a reckoning; to purge the opposition.  The Democrats are quick to appease, but they are simply the modern Jacobins and they will face their own guillotine.  Trump has reinvigorated conservatism, vain, impetuous and petty as he can sometimes be.  His policies, which are a return to our founding and thus inherently conservative, have proven successful.  Old victims are succeeding, rising, and this has them wondering.  Were those who claimed represent them, who promised “justice” that never came, just false prophets and carpet baggers reaping rewards from their misery?  Trump showed them that they were Americans entitled to opportunity, not reparations or vengence.  The Left had to make its move before the success of America diminished its constituency of victims and empaths.  The Marxist mob has lit this flame.  The election in November will determine what, whom and how much it will consume.

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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: I don’t see how this can end well.

    The only civil way out is a divorce. We should have a national referendum on whether or not we should split into two or more separate countries. The only problem is the People’s Democratic Republic of Western America would conduct joint fleet exrecises with the Chinese navy, and the Socialist Democracy of New England would elect Andrew Cuomo their Dictator for Life . . .

     

    east pakistan and west pakistan

     

    I could see the East Coast and West Coast uniting as one country . . .

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  25. Joseph Eagar Member
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    At least half a million people died during the Civil War.  It was anything but a “clean war.”  The worst hatreds are often between people who are similar to each other.

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  26. Arvo Inactive
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    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):

    At least half a million people died during the Civil War. It was anything but a “clean war.” The worst hatreds are often between people who are similar to each other.

    Yeah, ask Trotsky.

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  27. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):

    At least half a million people died during the Civil War. It was anything but a “clean war.” The worst hatreds are often between people who are similar to each other.

    That’s certainly true, of course.  But if you view your opponent as evil or subhuman, that often doesn’t work out well, either.

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  28. Nerina Bellinger Inactive
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    I think I must live in a completely different world from @arvo.  

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  29. Tocqueville Inactive
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    Great post. While I was watching this charade yesterday, with all of the incivility being shown, I thought about the attack on Senator Charles Sumner (abolitionist Republican from Massachusetts) by Representative Preston Brooks (a pro-slavery Democrat from South Carolina) in 1856.

    The cowardly attack nearly killed Sumner, although he did survive and managed to stay in office until 1874.

    It appears as though the Democrats haven’t changed much. How much longer until we see see a physical attack by one of them?

    A Bernie supporter nearly took out half the GOP representation in Congress who were playing baseball in a park.

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  30. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Arvo (View Comment):
    But we’ve turned it into a great attack on liberty re masks, and the evil deep state bureaucracy killing lots of people so that the market will be better for certain corporations.

    What does this even mean ?

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