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Fauci Lies Again
Anthony Fauci praises New York’s coronavirus response: ‘They did it correctly’
“We’ve got to do the things that are very clear that we need to do to turn this around,” Fauci told PBS NewsHour. “Remember, we can do it. We know that when you do it properly, you bring down those cases. We’ve done it. We’ve done it in New York.”
“New York got hit worse than any place in the world. And they did it correctly by doing the things that you’re talking about,” added Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases — and a member of the White House coronavirus task force.
The population of New York is 19.45 million.
The population of Florida is 21.48 million.
The number of COVID 19 deaths in New York is 32,167.
The number of COVID 19 deaths in Florida is 4,894.
Not only does Florida have a larger population than New York, but it has a much higher percentage of high-risk elderly people. Yet, New York has managed to kill about 7 times the number of people who died in Florida. Fauci’s claim that New York “did it right” is ridiculous. This man needs to be fired not just from Trump’s White House team but from his job at NIH. The NIH long ago had a pristine reputation but in the last decade or two, it has shown itself to be in bed with big pharma. I honestly suspect that Fauci isn’t just gaslighting to defeat Trump in the election but is trying to increase demand for his imaginary vaccine and the profits made thereof. Jonas Salk donated the patent for his polio vaccine. No matter how many people were given the vaccine Salk didn’t make an additional penny. At this time, either Fauci commits to having his big pharma pals do the same or he can rot in hell with all the other rat bastards.
The number of cases is going up because of the massively increased testing of people who are in low-risk groups. They already have had the virus and their immune systems overcame it so they test positive for antibodies. Meanwhile, the death rate hasn’t kept pace with the new case rate. In addition, many people who again have antibodies and thus test positive have died of other causes. These people are being counted as COVID 19 deaths.
There is no second wave. New York screwed up by putting COVID 19 severely ill patients into nursing homes. These are just facts. Fauci should be fired for this nonsense.
Regards,
Jim
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UPDATE:
Regular Guy Ron DeSantis, I’m starting to like my Governor more and more, says ‘fear’ is the problem.
Isn’t it a shame that Cuomo can’t admit he made big mistakes and Fauci can’t let go of his fear-mongering B.S.
Regards,
Jim
One wonders why Fauci would say something so obviously ridiculous. Your theories are possible. I don’t know.
But those who believe that he is simply a neutral observer of the data are bonkers. He says so many things that he couldn’t possibly back up with data.
Dr. B,
I agree with you 100%. I didn’t immediately consider the possibility of Fauci just shilling for the vaccine peddlers. However, I don’t think he is doctrinaire political so what gives? All I can conclude now is that somebody wants to make a “killing” with a vaccine. To hell with that.
Regards,
Jim
Anyone who has held a government bureaucratic high- level position for 30 years is by definition “doctrinaire liberal” .
Rush,
A doctrinaire liberal isn’t a Marxist lunatic who would knowingly damage the lives of hundreds of millions of people just to win an election. It’s possible but I think unlikely. I think he is connected to somebody who will get preferential treatment when it comes down to who gets the nod to go ahead with the vaccine.
I think Fauci intends to get his beak wet with the vaccine.
Regards,
Jim
When a person looks at the tremendous success other nations have in dealing successfully with COVID, such that in a population of over 225 million people, that includes people from Japan, Taiwan, other Pacific rim nations, Turkey and Costa Rica, with the fatality rate across all those places being 0.04% or lower, and then realizes that 33,000 people died in NYC with its eight million people, it is obvious that something is very very wrong and very very corrupt inside our hospitals.
Japan just reached the 1,000th fatality milestone. There are 126 million people in that country. Adjusting for population size, the USA would have experienced a mere 3,000 deaths if we used the drug they use in Japan. (They are not so much using HCQ as another drug. Forget at the moment the name for it.)
Japan is also a nation of mostly older people, and has the same climate as we have in parts of the MidWest. Cold rainy or even snowy winters, and hot summers.
Do the math on the mandated vaccine. (The proof that it will be mandated is how people are eating up the idea of masking in the summer, which contradicts almost all prior decades of infection control beliefs. The vaccine industry will only need two weeks tops of the Big Lie that “Only the newly released vaccine will stop COVID,” before 50 percent of all Americans demand it be mandated.)
Anyway, here is the math: 330 million Americans times $ 400 a jab = 132 billions of dollars.
The Big Private Water Companies bought out Bolivia’s water supply by paying the Bolivian Senators one hundred thousand dollars US per Senator. Such a political construct may be a bit more expensive here, but even ten percent payouts from out of the fund of 132 billion can buy up a lot of influence. (Bill Gates and his syndicate will be glad to advance the monies to buy influence needed now against the profits from the vaccine they are expecting to be issued for each and every American who wants to remain able to leave their homes, travel between states or internationally, use banking etc.)
Carol,
As much as I originally preferred not to go this route there simply is too much $incentive$ involved to discount the money. NIH lost its pristine rep quite some time ago. We have motive and we have opportunity. That’s a lot.
Regards,
Jim
I just can’t get on the anti-Dr. Fauci train. He’s a mere mortal doctor telling people what his best advice is to control the spread of the virus. That’s the best anyone of us can ever do. He is at the center of tremendous disagreement within the medical profession. He’s listened to his colleagues and given us his best judgment. Even his initial advice about the face masks–not to use them–was not an outright lie. At the time he said this, he made it clear that there were PPE shortages in healthcare settings, and he wanted masks to go to hospital employees first to protect them. I understood that. If I did, everyone else should have too. I trust Trump, and Trump trusts Dr. Fauci.
The state of New York, including New York City, got hit hard by this virus. And yes, there were 32,500 deaths, and that is terrible tragedy. Most of those were in nursing homes. However, although Cuomo’s policy of insisting the nursing homes take the covid-19 patients back after hospital treatment was responsible in part, I’m not sure that’s completely responsible for those deaths. The virus could just as easily have been introduced by infected staff and suppliers. Governor Baker in Massachusetts did not allow covid-19 patients to be readmitted to nursing home facilities, but we had similar disastrous results. Yes, Cuomo was slower than Baker in taking preventive measures in the state, but Massachusetts had a very high death toll too, even with the preventive steps Governor Baker took.
The number to focus on is the recovered cases because those cases reflect the hard work and success of the New York hospitals–the doctors, the nurses, and the technicians. There have been 238,000 recovered cases in New York State. That is to their credit. And frankly, the contagion could have been much worse than it was. My daughter has been living in Manhattan for the duration, and she is fanatical about the steps people need to take to keep this virus from spreading more than it has. She believes those steps have helped slow it down and have saved lives. She has a cat litter box in her apartment for her and her husband that is stacked with paper towels soaked in bleach. She and her husband wipe their shoes on those paper towels whenever they go into their apartment. :-) That’s just one of a hundred steps she takes to avoid getting and transmitting the virus.
Maybe the steps amount to overkill, but she thinks New Yorkers have risen to this challenge and done the work and kept the virus from making more people sick than have been.
I think they deserve some credit, including the Trump administration of which Dr. Fauci is a part. He may have zigged when I would have zagged, but I don’t think he had any but the best intentions.
That’s my opinion.
What is he doing? Trying to become a celebrity does not help his reputation as a selfless scientist.
I’m curious to what you attribute the decline in infections and hospitalizations that is currently happening in New York and Massachusetts. If it’s not due to the control measures, what do you think is bringing it down? It can’t be the weather since the numbers are going up in the South. And it’s not herd immunity–we’re not even close to that. The numbers are still at less than 20 percent immune to this virus, judging from the number of people who have had it and have developed measurable antibodies.
So what exactly is your opinion of Fauci regarding this: that although reports from many nations across the globe indicate that US method of steering people into waiting for treatment, until the 5th day when cytokine storm of COVID descends. Then throwing the COVID infected on ventilators where 95% of the time they will die, as opposed to using HCQ plus zinc plus AZ, or else Japanese flu drug favipiravir, which allowed people numbering at 225 million people to experience a mortality rate of 0.04%, as opposed to what happened in NYC where 33,000 people out of 8 million died? (A mortality rate significant factors higher.)
Fauci is either totally ignorant of things he should know or else he is a Gates syndicate proxy. The above statistics indicate that the US, especially New York & New Jersey are not handling it properly but in criminal fashion. I hope that someday soon the hospital admins, and people like Cuomo have to answer for this.
A difference of opinion. I could pose the same sentence to two editors for an opinion on the grammatical correctness of a particular sentence or phrase, and the chances are very good that each would give a different opinion.
It’s simply professional life.
Yep. That fashion photo solidified my opinion of Fauci. He may have started in this thing as a good public servant, but I believe he’s become little more than a publicity hound.
Fauci lauding New York as the best coronavirus response by a state is grounds for being fired. Shame on him for lying, for putting politics above public health!
I’m sorry, but this is just patently ridiculous. Dr. Fauci calling New York’s practices good? The practice of forcing nursing homes to readmit COVID-19 patients was one of the worst cases of public health malpractice out there.
My daughter had strabismus (sometimes described as a “wandering eye”) when she was three years old. My husband and I took her to three different doctors. One, Dr. Tallman, was one of the highly renowned doctors who was on the team of doctors who developed LASIK surgery for near-sightedness. The second was the head pediatric ophthalmologist at Mass Eye and Ear. The third was a local doctor, Dr. Bernhard Heersink, a local ophthalmologist. The first two examined Kate and determined that her case was too advanced for surgery to help. They thought the best course of action would be to treat it as a “lazy eye” and patch it so as to strengthen the weaker eye. One eye was weaker than the other and lower in terms of the horizontal alignment of the pupils. Their diagnosis and prognosis were credible, certainly. But Dr. Heersink believed he could fix it with surgery. He believed if he shortened one muscle and lengthened another, that with special glasses and eye exercises, he could help Kate achieve binocular vision. I’m pleased to say that we went Dr. Heersink’s recommendation, and it was successful. Or at least it has been so far.
In the world of medical opinions, it’s safe to say there is enormous disagreement. I don’t think less of the Mass Eye and Ear pediatric ophthalmologist or the ophthalmologist who helped develop LASIK surgery. They were careful and thorough, and both had helped hundreds of patients. I’m still glad we gambled on Dr. Heersink. :-)
Dr. Fauci doesn’t have to be right 100 percent of the time for me to respect his opinion. The practice of medicine is often called an “art,” for good reason.
But if he did not have separate covid-19 facilities to send these patients to and he needed the hospital beds for acute cases, wasn’t it also the fault of the administrators for not setting up special units within their facilities for segregating these patients and their caregivers?
It’s not what I would have done were I in Cuomo’s shoes, but is he truly completely to blame here?
The lack of separate facilities for patients with infectious diseases has been a long-standing, long-ignored problem in this country. Many of the pneumonia deaths we see every year I’d bet were preventable if we had been more careful.
And the fact that Cuomo made an egregious error in that judgment does not mean that the other measures the state of New York implemented to control the spread of this virus were not effective.
I give up. I’ll leave this discussion. I don’t mean to infuriate my Ricochet friends. :-)
Afternoon MariN,
It seems clear that NY did not manage the virus better than FLA or Calif, both with higher populations. In addition to the contrasts in deaths, as Jim mentioned, Florida also had an older population, and California was getting thousand of tourists and students from China and some direct flights from Wuhan. So when Fauci picks NY, that is puzzling. Charles Murray in “Coming Apart”, has a section asking, “how thick is your bubble?”. In Fauci’s case, the bubble appears “thick it is”. He acts as if he knows things he does not, he acts as if this virus is catastrophic, it does not look as if it will prove to be (look at all of the schools world wide that have opened and no spike), and he omits costs because of the virus. Think of the health costs that don’t get any Fauci or media attention, doctor’s visits were dramatically down, folks stopped picking up their meds at the Rx, folks didn’t get their scans, chemos, or surgeries, hospital population were, for a while, down to 50%, routine screenings were postponed or skipped. All of these aspects of declines in health care represent loss in lives, did Fauci ever discuss the balance in public health needs? I listened to many of the press conferences, I never heard Fauci discus the pro and cons of virus lock down. I don’t expect Fauci to think much on the economic effect of lock down to “flatten the curve”, but he also never commented on the health effects of the lock down, depression, suicide, drug abuse. Fauci seems like a person who self identifies as an expert, and being an expert he is sure he is the proper person to make decisions for others. I do not see him as scientist who waits for the results (although that is how he like to have himself seen), but as someone who is totally sure of his position, even when he later changes that position. His advice to the admin to close down the country while defensible in the beginning, now looks extreme. The fact that his initial advice seems extremely costly and perhaps entirely wrong has not caused him to be more humble in his pronouncements. Because our public health leadership h;as been so poor, in the future no president will ever shut down the country when a new virus appears, even if it much more deadly.
Fauci makes pronouncements. Then he makes other pronouncements.
“We May never shake hands again” – Anthony Fauci
My impression is he likes to make definitive statements because it makes a strong impression. That’s what he likes to do. And then walks them back or makes obfuscating remarks afterwords. Trump does that too, ( a New Yorker thing?) and the media and others despise him for it, but by the time Trump was close to being nominated we all knew the technique, and besides he’s a politician not an “expert”. Fauci came on the scene touted and acting as an expert and we made the mistake of taking him seriously with every declaration he made.
I began to get irritated by him pretty early. He’s a small man with a big ego.
Has everyone seen his fawning letter to Hillary?
Marci,
I would have been glad to leave it at this. He has been at the heart of a major controlling network of Health Research for this country and the world. One could also use the analogy of a nasty spider sitting at the center of very large web. This man is anything but naive. He knows exactly what he is doing. He is guiding us down a path that may destroy Trump. I am sure that will please many of his shallow little twerp admirers. However, I would doubt that is his real endgame. He is protecting the great magic vaccine cure. He will have a great deal to say who gets the contract worth an incredible amount of money.
Not one word have I heard that any of the groups vying for the vaccine would be willing to donate the patent. I’ll remind everyone one more time. Salk donated the polio vaccine patent. If Fauci is really the sweet little mortal doctor you say he is then he’ll step up and put pressure on to get somebody to donate the vaccine.
If not then we are staring not at your humble mortal doctor but a massive vested interest out to cash in for an astronomical sum.
You gotta grow up sometime. I’m just calling it as I see it.
Regards,
Jim
we are 80% of the way to herd immunity. Dr. “Death” Fauci is a fool and he kills people with his foolishness. He should be put on trial.
Well, NYC turned out to have no shortage of hospital beds. He could have worked out arrangements with a university dormitory or motel – both of which were empty. Chicago turned McCormick Place, our convention center, into an emergency COVID-19 ward.
It is possible that he did specify that this was the exception to good practices, and it was not reported. Our media is garbage, after all. @marcin I don’t think he is a monster or naked partisan, he just needs to more careful what he says. Trump-style boasting does not really work well for him.
Talking about NY’s record while excluding the nursing home practices is like asking Mrs. Lincoln “Aside from the shooting, how was the play?”
I think Fauci gets more criticism than he deserves, but I am not overly impressed by his character. I see the brouhaha that he causes being a result of his timidity, indecisiveness, and lack of clarity. The example provided by James of Fauci’s answer on PBS makes me think that Fauci was just kind of “going along with the flow” because a PBS audience would be hostile to criticism of Governor Cuomo. If he was in fact too fearful to speak the truth, then he shouldn’t be in a leadership position.
About a week ago in the Senate, Rand Paul questioned Dr. Fauci about the possibility of opening up of schools in the Fall. Paul outlined several recent major medical findings that recommended that opening up would be good and not dangerous. For instance, the almost non-existent death rate among children, the inability of children spreading the virus to adults, the encouraging results of European countries that have opened their schools, and so on. Fauci sat silent during Senator Paul’s long list of reasons and at the end Paul asked him to weigh-in on the facts he just presented. Fauci’s reply was nervous laughter followed by a short defense of being accused of stuff he never said. He never addressed a single one of Rand Paul’s meaty data points. He just left it all hanging there. It was a typical politician response that completely ignored the subject.
@franco mentioned that Dr. Fauci sometimes makes very definitive statements that turn out wrong and he has to back-track. This is true, but Fauci doesn’t seem to have the backbone to stand by his statements. or to admit that he is wrong sometimes. Maybe he knows his medicine, but I don’t think he is a good public relations guy.
Don’t forget, Fauci wasn’t intimidated enough to obey 0bama’s call to end funding of Growth of Function testing; he just shopped it out to China. That’s not indecisiveness.
InStyle magazine is based in NYC.
Any other questions?
I’ve heard a description that seems to fit:
“Often in error, but never in doubt.”
Japan and Korea etc are so different from the US in so many ways that attempting any kind of 1:1 comparison is just nuts.
I don’t think Japan and South Korea are all that significantly different than the U.S. If you want a closer comparison, the U.S. is more similar to European countries. In Europe the death rates vary by being twice the rate of the U.S., such as in San Marino and Belgium, to being less than one-tenth the U.S. rate such as in Poland, Chechia, Greece, and Lithuania. Slovakia, Australia, and New Zealand have death rates a whopping one-hundred times less than the United States, even better than Japan or South Korea.
I still think these vast disparities in outcomes has little to do with human interventions like lockdowns, wearing masks, and physical distancing. There is a yet undiscovered medical phenomenon accounting for the wild variation. It could be the natural immunity conferred by previous Corona Viruses that protects certain populations, or it could be slight genetic variations within the virus itself.