Another Blow to the Public Discourse

 

Several weeks ago, I had an idea for a piece that was “Times worthy.” I thought about the editors I know there, about the pieces I’ve written there recently and mulled over the prospect of pitching it there. I decided to write it for the Washington Examiner instead; it just wasn’t worth the risk. In the aftermath of the Senator Cotton op-ed, which many other conservatives watched with amusement and horror, I realized that there was a high likelihood that if it were published, a mob would come for me and the Times would leave me out to dry; if they did it with a sitting Senator, I wouldn’t stand a chance. I wondered what Bari, a friend and editor at the Times would think of my decision until today when she published her widely-read and discussed resignation letter. The whole thing is an essential read, but for the purposes of this post, I’ll flag this portion:

The truth is that intellectual curiosity—let alone risk-taking—is now a liability at The Times. Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher, when we can assure ourselves of job security (and clicks) by publishing our 4000th op-ed arguing that Donald Trump is a unique danger to the country and the world? And so self-censorship has become the norm.

Bari’s resignation isn’t the only bad sign for our national discourse; another centrist and signatory on the Harper’s letter on free speech, Andrew Sullivan, tendered his Twitter resignation today as well,

This note from Sullivan’s now-former boss proves Bari’s point:

Since when did publishing ideas – conservative or liberal – have to fit with your “ideals” as a publication? When did that become the litmus test for if something should be published? Who sets those “ideals?” We hear from Weiss:

Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space.

It’s not just Twitter, but the woke colleagues at the Times who set off the mob in the first place; individuals like the below:

This is what the Times is now left with, a TikTok reporter who tells you all you need to know about viral cake videos. There is nothing more representative of the future of liberal thought and discourse than the fact that Bari Weiss left the New York Times today, and Taylor Lorenz wrote some groundbreaking content on cake for the Paper of Record.

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  1. Zafar Member
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    There is a virtue in consistency.  I wonder if we’ll hear anything from the great and the good about this:

    Florida lawmakers are trying to oust FSU’s Palestinian student senate president over a post he made as a 12-year-old

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    brad2971 (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    brad2971 (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    It’s interesting to go here and then read the reaction comments on Weiss’ firing:

    Since Maher has had Weiss on “Real Time”, does have conservatives on his show, and the Berkeley woke Jacobins tried to cancel him way back in 2015 over saying fundamentalist Christians might not be as big a danger to the world as radical Islam, the tweet shouldn’t be that surprising. But his supporters who’ve gone all-in with the Times’ scotched Earth policy are attacking Maher as a heretic, and because the Times has switched their entire financial model to being subscription-based and have hired staffers with like mindsets of the angry woke readers the Times has courted, this is unlikely to make anyone at the paper change its current direction (especially if they’re thinking they’re helping Biden towards a landslide win in November).

    When I saw the subscription-based comment, I have to ask: Is the NYT able to make profit margins with its model of 10% or greater BEFORE it has to collect a single dollar of advertising? FOX News can say that it can meet that standard. To my mind, that is the standard of a truly independent media.

    Well you can say it’s “independent” in terms of advertising money, but how “independent” is it of having all subscribers from one side? And not just one side, but one FRINGE?

    Maybe I should then mention how FOX News gets to make double-digit profits before getting advertising revenue then. You see, it doesn’t just get cable subscriber fee revenue from the up to 3-4 million viewers who watch Tucker Carlson each nite; it gets them from a total of about 87 million cable+satellite+live streaming subscribers. To the tune of about $1.85 per subscriber per month. My crude math says that’s about $1.95 billion in subscription revenue per year.

    The New York Times, by comparison, in order to get $1.08 billion in revenue from its (then) 5.3 million subscribers, had to charge them an average of $204.00 per subscriber in 2019.

    Now do you see what type of power FOX News has? Because let’s be honest: No matter how much you enjoy Tucker Carlson at 6PM MDT each nite, there is no way you’d voluntarily pay $200.00/year to view Tucker and the rest of the FOX News lineup.

    Actually if NYT subscribers pay $204/year that’s a bargain.  My daily paper is much smaller than it used to be, and now costs…. let’s see… just under $600 per year.

    I suppose the online-only NYT readers pay less than $204, and dead-tree subscribers pay a lot more.

     

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  3. Tocqueville Inactive
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    Regrettably on the Joe Rogan interview Ms. Weiss used the words “ape sh*t” a number of times. I cannot take anyone seriously who uses those words (whatever they mean!) in a public forum. It shows you how far we have sunk.

    Firstly that is the ambiance on Joe Rogan’s show. His format is a long casual meandering discussion. I am all for tradition and elegance, but as I have said in my other comments, conservatives have got to own up to the fact that you are the rebels, you are outside the mainstream and if you want to win elections you are going to have to interest young people and that means being a bit rock n’roll/Joe Rogan. OR you can wheel out Mitt Romney again, who spent the 1960s in Paris trying to convert people to Mormonism. Then you wonder where the kids are!

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  4. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    Tocqueville (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    Regrettably on the Joe Rogan interview Ms. Weiss used the words “ape sh*t” a number of times. I cannot take anyone seriously who uses those words (whatever they mean!) in a public forum. It shows you how far we have sunk.

    Firstly that is the ambiance on Joe Rogan’s show. His format is a long casual meandering discussion. I am all for tradition and elegance, but as I have said in my other comments, conservatives have got to own up to the fact that you are the rebels, you are outside the mainstream and if you want to win elections you are going to have to interest young people and that means being a bit rock n’roll/Joe Rogan. OR you can wheel out Mitt Romney again, who spent the 1960s in Paris trying to convert people to Mormonism. Then you wonder where the kids are!

    I beg to differ. I am a staunch Trump supporter but regret his vulgarity. It’s not a deal breaker because he is so right in so many ways.  Even evangelicals forgive Trump’s vulgarity. But for pipsqueaks like Bari Weiss (and Bill Maher and Joe Rogan) vulgarity only makes their progressive views that much more disgusting.

    If politics follows culture, we are doomed because the secular culture that encourages flinging of four-letter words is a permissive Democrat-friendly culture at its core.

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  5. Allie Hahn Coolidge
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    Thanks for posting this – I had heard something was going on with Bari Weiss, but hadn’t seen what exactly it was yet. I read her resignation letter, and it was very sad but enlightening. I’m reminded of how Andrew Klavan always calls the Times “a former newspaper.” It used to be a joke, he said recently. 

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  6. Allie Hahn Coolidge
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    It’s interesting to go here and then read the reaction comments on Weiss’ firing:

    Since Maher has had Weiss on “Real Time”, does have conservatives on his show, and the Berkeley woke Jacobins tried to cancel him way back in 2015 over saying fundamentalist Christians might not be as big a danger to the world as radical Islam, the tweet shouldn’t be that surprising. But his supporters who’ve gone all-in with the Times’ scotched Earth policy are attacking Maher as a heretic, and because the Times has switched their entire financial model to being subscription-based and have hired staffers with like mindsets of the angry woke readers the Times has courted, this is unlikely to make anyone at the paper change its current direction (especially if they’re thinking they’re helping Biden towards a landslide win in November).

    The Times is like a drug dealer whose sampled his own product too much and now is in a co-dependency with their clients. They’ve got the customers hooked on maniacal hatred not just of Trump but anything not openly progressive, but they can’t give up writing stuff like that or pushing things like the 1619 project, because if they were to try and go back to being a real newspaper and not an advocacy journalism site, their woke subscribers would cancel, and the woke writers and editors they’ve hired would revolt and toss a printing plant worth of race cards at the Sulzbergers.

    The business model plays to the anger, and the anger inside the Times means now that Weiss is gone, someone is going to have to be next in the barrel, or next up to the guillotine (possibly Bret Stephens, who doesn’t irk the woke SJWs as much as Bari did, but still enrages them when he writes columns that don’t attack Trump).

    And my respect for Bill Maher goes up.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Allie Hahn (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    It’s interesting to go here and then read the reaction comments on Weiss’ firing:

    Since Maher has had Weiss on “Real Time”, does have conservatives on his show, and the Berkeley woke Jacobins tried to cancel him way back in 2015 over saying fundamentalist Christians might not be as big a danger to the world as radical Islam, the tweet shouldn’t be that surprising. But his supporters who’ve gone all-in with the Times’ scotched Earth policy are attacking Maher as a heretic, and because the Times has switched their entire financial model to being subscription-based and have hired staffers with like mindsets of the angry woke readers the Times has courted, this is unlikely to make anyone at the paper change its current direction (especially if they’re thinking they’re helping Biden towards a landslide win in November).

    The Times is like a drug dealer whose sampled his own product too much and now is in a co-dependency with their clients. They’ve got the customers hooked on maniacal hatred not just of Trump but anything not openly progressive, but they can’t give up writing stuff like that or pushing things like the 1619 project, because if they were to try and go back to being a real newspaper and not an advocacy journalism site, their woke subscribers would cancel, and the woke writers and editors they’ve hired would revolt and toss a printing plant worth of race cards at the Sulzbergers.

    The business model plays to the anger, and the anger inside the Times means now that Weiss is gone, someone is going to have to be next in the barrel, or next up to the guillotine (possibly Bret Stephens, who doesn’t irk the woke SJWs as much as Bari did, but still enrages them when he writes columns that don’t attack Trump).

    And my respect for Bill Maher goes up.

    I used to have more respect for Maher.  But the biggest problem I see with him is that he – and his audiences – yell and whoop and holler about various “freedom” things like pluralism etc, and then he – and they – go and vote for the party that believes and does the opposite.

    I’m not sure if that’s actually hypocrisy, or just blind stupidity.  But either way I can’t respect it.

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    Allie Hahn (View Comment):

    Thanks for posting this – I had heard something was going on with Bari Weiss, but hadn’t seen what exactly it was yet. I read her resignation letter, and it was very sad but enlightening. I’m reminded of how Andrew Klavan always calls the Times “a former newspaper.” It used to be a joke, he said recently.

    Sometimes, jokes become prophesies. 

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  9. James Gawron Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    I’m not sure if that’s actually hypocrisy, or just blind stupidity. But either way I can’t respect it.

    ke,

    You are on a roll. You get you extra points for this one.

    Exactly so.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    James Gawron (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    I’m not sure if that’s actually hypocrisy, or just blind stupidity. But either way I can’t respect it.

    ke,

    You are on a roll. You get you extra points for this one.

    Exactly so.

    Regards,

    Jim

    Hey I tell people that I’ve had numerous pearls.  Maybe not all my posts, but numerous for sure.  :-)

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  11. Tocqueville Inactive
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    Tocqueville (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    Regrettably on the Joe Rogan interview Ms. Weiss used the words “ape sh*t” a number of times. I cannot take anyone seriously who uses those words (whatever they mean!) in a public forum. It shows you how far we have sunk.

    Firstly that is the ambiance on Joe Rogan’s show. His format is a long casual meandering discussion. I am all for tradition and elegance, but as I have said in my other comments, conservatives have got to own up to the fact that you are the rebels, you are outside the mainstream and if you want to win elections you are going to have to interest young people and that means being a bit rock n’roll/Joe Rogan. OR you can wheel out Mitt Romney again, who spent the 1960s in Paris trying to convert people to Mormonism. Then you wonder where the kids are!

    I beg to differ. I am a staunch Trump supporter but regret his vulgarity. It’s not a deal breaker because he is so right in so many ways. Even evangelicals forgive Trump’s vulgarity. But for pipsqueaks like Bari Weiss (and Bill Maher and Joe Rogan) vulgarity only makes their progressive views that much more disgusting.

    If politics follows culture, we are doomed because the secular culture that encourages flinging of four-letter words is a permissive Democrat-friendly culture at its core.

    I have heard Douglas Murray swear before, and he is the personification of refinement, eloquence and elegance. It is possible that Bari Weiss, who’s a little geeky, wanted to be Rogan-esque.
    I understand what you mean by being against swearing and seeing it as a slippery slope towards… transgenderism etc. Reminds of me Roger Scruton talking about how crude our culture is.  What if selective swearing was revealing of the grassroots authenticity and unpretentiousness of the conservative message? It could be a winner. Trump takes it very far, but horsing around with Joe Rogan can only help the conservative side.

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  12. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    Tocqueville (View Comment):
    I understand what you mean by being against swearing and seeing it as a slippery slope

    That is the essence of the problem. That’s why it’s so important for kids to get some kind of religious education so they can see there is such a thing as holiness, where every action and word is carefully weighed because of accountability to God.  Anyone who thinks conservatism can survive in an increasingly secular culture is a fool.

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