Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. They Murdered Her for Saying All Lives Matter

 
Murdered 24 year old wife and mother
Murdered by the insurgency, her three year old will never know her

It is a season of remembering names. I am adding one to the list. She was shot dead on July 5 in Indianapolis for exercising her First Amendment rights by responding to mostly peaceful rioters proclaiming that black lives matter with “all lives matter”.

Her name is Jessica Doty Walker, and these hate mongers canceled her permanently. The cowards pulled guns on her and her friends, who responded in kind. So the BLMers deescalated, bumped fists, and waited nearby in ambush for them to leave and then fired from cover.

These are the fruits by which we can judge the current violence and the politicians that indulge and enable it. The message is simple. Elect a man rapidly progressing to a vegetative state who will surrender to Xi and the insurrection, or they will continue to escalate the violence. Like Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Mayor, Indianapolis mayor Joe Hogsett is a former US Attorney nominated by Barack Obama.

On June 1, Former President Obama decried the violence that continues to erupt:

First, the waves of protests across the country represent a genuine and legitimate frustration over a decades-long failure to reform police practices and the broader criminal justice system in the United States. The overwhelming majority of participants have been peaceful, courageous, responsible, and inspiring. They deserve our respect and support, not condemnation — something that police in cities like Camden and Flint have commendably understood.

On the other hand, the small minority of folks who’ve resorted to violence in various forms, whether out of genuine anger or mere opportunism, are putting innocent people at risk, compounding the destruction of neighborhoods that are often already short on services and investment and detracting from the larger cause. I saw an elderly black woman being interviewed today in tears because the only grocery store in her neighborhood had been trashed. If history is any guide, that store may take years to come back. So let’s not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves.

Second, I’ve heard some suggest that the recurrent problem of racial bias in our criminal justice system proves that only protests and direct action can bring about change, and that voting and participation in electoral politics is a waste of time. I couldn’t disagree more. The point of protest is to raise public awareness, to put a spotlight on injustice, and to make the powers that be uncomfortable; in fact, throughout American history, it’s often only been in response to protests and civil disobedience that the political system has even paid attention to marginalized communities. But eventually, aspirations have to be translated into specific laws and institutional practices — and in a democracy, that only happens when we elect government officials who are responsive to our demands.

I agree with these words. Would that his political progeny were as dedicated to reform within a framework of civil order as these words demand rather than condoning broad insurrection.

In unrelated news, background checks for gun purchases nationwide were four times more numerous in June 2020 than June 2019.

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  1. Dave of Barsham Member

    I saw this on Parler over the weekend. Not a peep in national news, not even Fox (that I’m aware of). Ironically, BLM may end up being responsible for bringing actual white supremacy out of the woodwork if things like this continue to happen and get no condemnation.

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    • July 13, 2020, at 9:28 AM PDT
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  2. Sisyphus Coolidge
    Sisyphus Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    I saw this on Parler over the weekend. Not a peep in national news, not even Fox (that I’m aware of). Ironically, BLM may end up being responsible for bringing actual white supremacy out of the woodwork if things like this continue to happen and get no condemnation.

    Found this as well: https://fox59.com/news/crimetracker/indy-mother-becomes-2nd-homicide-along-downtown-canal-in-1-week/

    That is their greatest ambition. Antifa has resorted to masquerading members as white supremacists to support their narratives. By BLM standards, everyone is a white supremacist that isn’t utterly submissive to them. That is their whole game.

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    • July 13, 2020, at 9:37 AM PDT
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  3. CACrabtree Coolidge

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    I saw this on Parler over the weekend. Not a peep in national news, not even Fox (that I’m aware of). Ironically, BLM may end up being responsible for bringing actual white supremacy out of the woodwork if things like this continue to happen and get no condemnation.

    Yup, sounds like a hate crime to me; wait, I think that hate crime stuff only goes one way.

    Regarding the actual white supremacy, you may be more right than you realize. With all the Soros-backed stooges being put into the local DA offices (such as St Louis), the divisions in our society are growing wider and wider.

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    • July 13, 2020, at 9:39 AM PDT
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  4. Unsk Member

    I fear this is one of the first in a long series of BLM inspired tragedies. Whatever shred of honor or credibility the first George Floyd protests had, this sheer amount of violence that these protests have inspired is sickening and has careened way out of control. These BLM/George Floyd protestors have now all been tarred with the brush of this and other murders made in their name.

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    • July 13, 2020, at 9:45 AM PDT
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  5. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSul Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    The story is a bit more complicated.

    • One of the witnesses in her group, her fiance, said someone in her group used a racial slur, which is what set off the argument with the other group of attackers.
    • And this occurred at 3:30 am, which is not exactly a regular hour to be out and about.

    So while, yes, she was murdered after saying “all lives matter,” her group may not have been attacked because she said it – the use of the phrase may simply have been incidental to what was already an overheated racial exchange and shouting match between two armed groups of people, both out at 3:30 AM.

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  6. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSul Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/jessica-doty-whitaker-dead/

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    • July 13, 2020, at 9:51 AM PDT
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  7. Sisyphus Coolidge
    Sisyphus Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Unsk (View Comment):

    I fear this is one of the first in a long series of BLM inspired tragedies. Whatever shred of honor or credibility the first George Floyd protests had, this sheer amount of violence that these protests have inspired is sickening and has careened way out of control. These BLM/George Floyd protestors have now all been tarred with the brush of this and other murders made in their name.

    I won’t go that far. Not all protests have been violent and not all protesters have stayed when the insurrectionists showed up and went to work. Many protesters respond angrily to offers of bricks and molotov cocktails and are enraged at the attempts to co-opt the righteous outrage at the Floyd incident and con protesters into serving as useful idiots. They have not gotten the massive black response they were going for, leaving much of their rioting effort to people of pallor contrary to their narrative in attempting to recreate 1968.

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    • July 13, 2020, at 9:56 AM PDT
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  8. Arvo Coolidge

    SkipSul (View Comment):

    The story is a bit more complicated.

    • One of the witnesses in her group, her fiance, said someone in her group used a racial slur, which is what set off the argument with the other group of attackers.
    • And this occurred at 3:30 am, which is not exactly a regular hour to be out and about.

    So while, yes, she was murdered after saying “all lives matter,” her group may not have been attacked because she said it – the use of the phrase may simply have been incidental to what was already an overheated racial exchange and shouting match between two armed groups of people, both out at 3:30 AM.

    And both sides drew their weapons at one point, talked it down, and high-fived each other.

    Very strange.

    And very tragic.

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  9. SkipSul Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):
    leaving much of their rioting effort to people of pallor

    I’m going to steal that phrasing.

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    • July 13, 2020, at 10:07 AM PDT
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  10. Sisyphus Coolidge
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    The story is a bit more complicated.

    • One of the witnesses in her group, her fiance, said someone in her group used a racial slur, which is what set off the argument with the other group of attackers.
    • And this occurred at 3:30 am, which is not exactly a regular hour to be out and about.

    So while, yes, she was murdered after saying “all lives matter,” her group may not have been attacked because she said it – the use of the phrase may simply have been incidental to what was already an overheated racial exchange and shouting match between two armed groups of people, both out at 3:30 AM.

    In the account I read, the claim came from the other group, not the fiancé. WTHR probably has the best account of the fiancé’s account and it isn’t there, either. Stipulating that there was a racial slur as described, are you suggesting that should result in guns drawn and excuses murder?

    And it was in the early morning following the July 4th celebration as the lockdown was loosening, and we are talking twenty-somethings. All nighters with friends are not unusual. 

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  11. Arvo Coolidge

    And I will not be going back to my comment in which I said something like Ahmaud Arbery was chased down, struck, and murdered by racists to see who of you started a ponderous chain of yeah-buts to demonstrate that his story had nothing to do with race, to verify that you color-blindedly apply the same rigor to the premise that this awful, awful tragedy was the result of BLM (not ®) run amok.

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  12. Arvo Coolidge

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):

    SkipSul (View Comment):

    The story is a bit more complicated.

    • One of the witnesses in her group, her fiance, said someone in her group used a racial slur, which is what set off the argument with the other group of attackers.
    • And this occurred at 3:30 am, which is not exactly a regular hour to be out and about.

    So while, yes, she was murdered after saying “all lives matter,” her group may not have been attacked because she said it – the use of the phrase may simply have been incidental to what was already an overheated racial exchange and shouting match between two armed groups of people, both out at 3:30 AM.

    In the account I read, the claim came from the other group, not the fiancé. WTHR probably has the best account of the fiancé’s account and it isn’t there, either. Stipulating that there was a racial slur as described, are you suggesting that should result in guns drawn and excuses murder?

    And it was in the early morning following the July 4th celebration as the lockdown was loosening, and we are talking twenty-somethings. All nighters with friends are not unusual.

    From the Fox59 version:

    “She shouldn’t have lost her life. She’s got a 3-year-old son she loved dearly,” said her fiance Jose Ramirez.

    According to Ramirez, he and the victim and two other people were hanging out along the canal when someone in their group used a slang version of the N-word.

    That word prompted a confrontation by a group of strangers.

    During a brief argument, Ramirez claims the suspect’s group shouted Black Lives Matter and either Whitaker or someone in her group replied that All Lives Matter.

    Eventually the two sides separated because they realized they were both armed. The groups then fist bumped and walked away from each other.

    In another account, he says that he didn’t see who shot at them, but it’s unclear whether he means that he didn’t see anyone while he was firing but that he had seen who fired the shots. My impression is that he does not know who fired at them, but maybe I missed something.

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  13. SkipSul Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):
    Stipulating that there was a racial slur as described, are you suggesting that should result in guns drawn and excuses murder?

    Did I say that? No, I most certainly did not. Do not put words in my mouth here.

    I am, however, cautioning that the various accounts do not provide anywhere near enough information to draw a bright line between her say “all lives matter” and then being shot for it. To claim otherwise at this point is little better than the BLM claiming George Floyd was “murdered by a racist cop” – drawing conclusions on motivations not in evidence.

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):
    And it was in the early morning following the July 4th celebration as the lockdown was loosening, and we are talking twenty-somethings. All nighters with friends are not unusual. 

    Which is rather my other point – nothing good comes from angry late night encounters, especially when both sides are flashing weapons.

    It sounds to me like Doty-Whitaker’s group crossed paths with a gang.

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  14. Sisyphus Coolidge
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):

    SkipSul (View Comment):

    The story is a bit more complicated.

    • One of the witnesses in her group, her fiance, said someone in her group used a racial slur, which is what set off the argument with the other group of attackers.
    • And this occurred at 3:30 am, which is not exactly a regular hour to be out and about.

    So while, yes, she was murdered after saying “all lives matter,” her group may not have been attacked because she said it – the use of the phrase may simply have been incidental to what was already an overheated racial exchange and shouting match between two armed groups of people, both out at 3:30 AM.

    In the account I read, the claim came from the other group, not the fiancé. WTHR probably has the best account of the fiancé’s account and it isn’t there, either. Stipulating that there was a racial slur as described, are you suggesting that should result in guns drawn and excuses murder?

    And it was in the early morning following the July 4th celebration as the lockdown was loosening, and we are talking twenty-somethings. All nighters with friends are not unusual.

    From the Fox59 version:

    “She shouldn’t have lost her life. She’s got a 3-year-old son she loved dearly,” said her fiance Jose Ramirez.

    According to Ramirez, he and the victim and two other people were hanging out along the canal when someone in their group used a slang version of the N-word.

    That word prompted a confrontation by a group of strangers.

    During a brief argument, Ramirez claims the suspect’s group shouted Black Lives Matter and either Whitaker or someone in her group replied that All Lives Matter.

    Eventually the two sides separated because they realized they were both armed. The groups then fist bumped and walked away from each other.

    In another account, he says that he didn’t see who shot at them, but it’s unclear whether he means that he didn’t see anyone while he was firing but that he had seen who fired the shots. My impression is that he does not know who fired at them, but maybe I missed something.

    I am not finding any later reporting on the police investigation, but there was a report that the suspect admitted to firing but it was just in the general direction and he hoped he didn’t hit anyone, so I think the shooter has been identified.

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    • July 13, 2020, at 10:27 AM PDT
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  15. Arvo Coolidge

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):
    I am not finding any later reporting on the police investigation, but there was a report that the suspect admitted to firing but it was just in the general direction and he hoped he didn’t hit anyone, so I think the shooter has been identified.

    That wasn’t the suspect; that was the fiance! He was returning fire.

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  16. Sisyphus Coolidge
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):
    I am not finding any later reporting on the police investigation, but there was a report that the suspect admitted to firing but it was just in the general direction and he hoped he didn’t hit anyone, so I think the shooter has been identified.

    That wasn’t the suspect; that was the fiance! He was returning fire.

    Got it. Thanks.

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  17. Arvo Coolidge

    Crikey, the secondary reporting on this is awful.

    The father is being quoted like he was there, and the grandfather, who likely wasn’t there, either, said it was “multiple black assailants.”

    And the confrontation is being billed as with a BLM mob.

    In the original story the other group is described as a group. No number, no color, nothing.

    It’s this kind of crap that causes conservative outlets to lose their credibility in the same way that CNN’s crap harms theirs.

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    • July 13, 2020, at 10:42 AM PDT
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  18. Sisyphus Coolidge
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    Crikey, the secondary reporting on this is awful.

    The father is being quoted like he was there, and the grandfather, who likely wasn’t there, either, said it was “multiple black assailants.”

    And the confrontation is being billed as with a BLM mob.

    In the original story the other group is described as a group. No number, no color, nothing.

    It’s this kind of crap that causes conservative outlets to lose their credibility in the same way that CNN’s crap harms theirs.

    Amen.

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  19. Barfly Member

    I read this story earlier today, and I’ve been trying to forget about it until there’s more reporting. Confirmation bias, sure – I know I’m a p-o’d redneck to begin with. If this is what it seems it will really bother me because it’ll crystallize some thoughts I’ve managed to keep in the abstract.

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  20. Hammer, The Member

    SkipSul (View Comment):

    The story is a bit more complicated.

    • One of the witnesses in her group, her fiance, said someone in her group used a racial slur, which is what set off the argument with the other group of attackers.
    • And this occurred at 3:30 am, which is not exactly a regular hour to be out and about.

    So while, yes, she was murdered after saying “all lives matter,” her group may not have been attacked because she said it – the use of the phrase may simply have been incidental to what was already an overheated racial exchange and shouting match between two armed groups of people, both out at 3:30 AM.

    Even so – would the use of a racial slur justify murder?

    Also, as I’ve said elsewhere and will continue to repeat: do any of us think for a moment that the other group does not use racially-charged language and rhetoric? If “racial slur” justifies murder in and of itself, then by their own logic, something only just short of a black genocide is fully justified. Of course it’s not justified, because racially-charged language does not justify murder. But make no mistake about this, “racism” is not the evil that these people are angry about. They are far more racist than any of the people they hate. The message of “black lives matter” is that only black lives matter, and that they matter at the expense of all other lives. Not only is that a despicable sentiment, it is an overtly racist one. As long as that remains the message, this problem will not go away. They are making it much, much worse.

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  21. Barfly Member

    One thing that strikes me about the story is that everybody’s weapon skills were absolute crap.

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  22. Sisyphus Coolidge
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    One thing that strikes me about the story is that everybody’s weapon skills were absolute crap.

    Would that they had been a bit worse.

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  23. Arvo Coolidge

    Hammer, The (View Comment):
    Even so – would the use of a racial slur justify murder?

    There’s not even a tangible connection between the slur and the shots, and the location and time are a place where random gunfire happens, and some not so random.

    Still very possible, though.

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  24. Barfly Member

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    One thing that strikes me about the story is that everybody’s weapon skills were absolute crap.

    Would that they had been a bit worse.

    Yeah, like pointing the thing backwards. I’m not sure she was even the target; I’m waiting for more data. The thing with the fiancee shooting blindly lacks context.

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  25. SkipSul Coolidge
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    Hammer, The (View Comment):
    Even so – would the use of a racial slur justify murder?

    Asked and answered already. See comment #13.

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  26. Hammer, The Member

    SkipSul (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (View Comment):
    Even so – would the use of a racial slur justify murder?

    Asked and answered already. See comment #13.

    I’m not suggesting that you think it is justified. I am, however, saying that the extreme reactions coming from people who are actually on the ground are both unjustified and self-contradictory. Regardless of what was or was not said, you have actual murder as a result … and that really is the only logical outcome.

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    The problem is, that we have more than one incident based on a lie to fuel one side. This shows how dangerous things are and close to spilling out of control.

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  28. Percival Thatcher
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    Arvo (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):
    I am not finding any later reporting on the police investigation, but there was a report that the suspect admitted to firing but it was just in the general direction and he hoped he didn’t hit anyone, so I think the shooter has been identified.

    That wasn’t the suspect; that was the fiance! He was returning fire.

    Without being able to determine who the first shooter was.

    I smell rodent.

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  29. cdor Member
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    It sounds like two raunchy groups of ill-motivated people getting into each other’s faces like West Side Story. The unfortunately deceased young woman out roaming around in the middle of the night (that’s the info I read) left behind a 3-year-old child. Sad, very sad.

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  30. Stad Thatcher

    I read the story on Fox, and it made me sick to my stomach. BLM is doing more to raise membership in white supremacist organizations than the riots did for gun sales . . .

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