When Everyone Is a Racist, No One Is

 

Recently at work, we had a town hall discussion about racism and BLM. Of course, all opinions were welcome as along as the opinion toed the party line. Anything outside that narrow window was shouted down. But that’s a discussion for a different day (or maybe not… I’m tired of it all). During the discussion one person posited:

“People are getting defensive about being called a racist. While it is certainly true that there is systemic, institutional racism [Editors note: this of course goes without saying, and goes unquestioned], that doesn’t mean everyone is a racist. There are things we need to improve.”

This was not good enough for another co-worker:

“NO!! EVERYONE is a racist! We are all racists!”

This was met with applause and commendation.

This got me thinking: If we are all racists, then what value does it mean to call someone out as a racist? Why should someone be punished specially for making racist remarks. Look, he’s no better or worse than the rest of us – we are all racist, we are all tainted. Why should anyone be fired or called for making racist remarks? We all harbor that kind of hate inside of us.

By proclaiming that everyone is a racist, we have cheapened truly offensive remarks, and normalized truly hateful people. When everyone is a racist, then no one is….

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  1. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    Charlotte (View Comment):
    American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    So, American libraries are still segregated?  Or does the phrase “those policies… have not changed dramatically” mean something different?  And the cataloging hasn’t changed.  Books are cataloged in a racist manner?  Was Dewey a member of the Klan?

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  2. Charlotte Member
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    So, American libraries are still segregated? Or does the phrase “those policies… have not changed dramatically” mean something different? And the cataloging hasn’t changed. Books are cataloged in a racist manner? Was Dewey a member of the Klan?

    The closer you look the less sense it makes. I think the cataloging thing is about libraries needing to include more books by authors of color or something. 

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  3. Housebroken Coolidge
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    So, American libraries are still segregated? Or does the phrase “those policies… have not changed dramatically” mean something different? And the cataloging hasn’t changed. Books are cataloged in a racist manner? Was Dewey a member of the Klan?

    The closer you look the less sense it makes. I think the cataloging thing is about libraries needing to include more books by authors of color or something.

    Well I think that’s a good idea – especially those written in the 17th and 18th centuries.

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  4. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    So, American libraries are still segregated? Or does the phrase “those policies… have not changed dramatically” mean something different? And the cataloging hasn’t changed. Books are cataloged in a racist manner? Was Dewey a member of the Klan?

    The closer you look the less sense it makes. I think the cataloging thing is about libraries needing to include more books by authors of color or something.

    Well I think that’s a good idea – especially those written in the 17th and 18th centuries.

    This is gonna end in a book-burning isn’t it. 

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  5. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    We (county public library) are having a series of “conversations on race to provide an opportunity for all library staff to talk about personal and national reactions to the killing of George Floyd and so many other people of color at the hands of the police” (copied from the email announcement). I attended one the other day, lurking but not participating via Microsoft Teams. I texted the interesting bits to Mr. Charlotte as it went on. There were about 17 participants of whom two were black women, one was a white man, and the rest were white women. All of these are verbatim:

    “This is not only a safe space, it is also a brave space.” [white lady moderating the meeting]

    “We’ve gone backwards 200 years in our race relations in this country!” [older black woman] Mr. Charlotte texted back (to me), “I wonder what a black person living in Fairfax County in 1820 would think about that statement made by a black person literally getting paid to attend meetings on race relations.”

    “Where do we go from here? How can we as a group heal this broken world?” [younger white woman]

    “One of the things we can do is just be good Christians to each other.” [older black woman] #IntersectionalityFail

    “I think we have to start with acknowledging that libraries are built on white supremacy. American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    Your tax dollars at work, Northern Virginia! You’re welcome.

    Were there any sane people who spoke up at this meeting?

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  6. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    I would say that it is true that we are all pre-programmed by nature to trust people in our own family/clan/tribe/whatever more than outsiders. There are all kinds of bad instincts that we are born with.  Toddlers behave terribly without being taught right from wrong.  So yes, if we all behaved strictly according to our caveman instincts the world would be pretty dreadful.  But most of us have been civilized to the point where we examine our motives and make sure that we are acting out of some kind of logic and not just illogical instinct.  If people believe that we are all racists and cannot overcome our baseline programming, then what is the point of all these meetings? If their belief is correct (and of course it is not), the solution would be to just accept that racist behavior will always be with us, as un-eridicatable as the need to breathe oxygen.

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  7. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    “This is not only a safe space, it is also a brave space.” [white lady moderating the meeting]

    Heh. Not sure what’s “brave” about parroting the Party Line.

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  8. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    So, American libraries are still segregated? Or does the phrase “those policies… have not changed dramatically” mean something different? And the cataloging hasn’t changed. Books are cataloged in a racist manner? Was Dewey a member of the Klan?

    The closer you look the less sense it makes. I think the cataloging thing is about libraries needing to include more books by authors of color or something.

    Well I think that’s a good idea – especially those written in the 17th and 18th centuries.

    This is gonna end in a book-burning isn’t it.

    “Where They Have Burned Books, They Will End Up Burning People”
    Heinrich Heine

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  9. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    So, American libraries are still segregated? Or does the phrase “those policies… have not changed dramatically” mean something different? And the cataloging hasn’t changed. Books are cataloged in a racist manner? Was Dewey a member of the Klan?

    The closer you look the less sense it makes. I think the cataloging thing is about libraries needing to include more books by authors of color or something.

    Like Tennessee Coats ? NO thank you.

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  10. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    Heh. Not sure what’s “brave” about parroting the Party Line.

    Come to think of it, the truly brave people I have known never talked about how brave they were.

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  11. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    On the topic of library books and black authors, I once got in trouble as a little boy when I tried to check out a book, titled “The Foxes of Harrow,” written about 1947.  The librarian called my mother  to check if I was allowed to read that adult book.  I can’t remember if I was allowed to do so.  That was an historical romance about the antebellum South.  The author was an African American.  Nobody knows about him anymore.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Yerby 

    His books, unlike Tennessee Coats, were good.  I refuse to use the affected spelling of that trash writing “author’s” name.

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  12. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Personally, I actually do subscribe to the notion that everyone’s a little bit racist.  Like so many other human personality traits, racism is a spectrum.

    Unfortunately, that notion has itself been declared racist since orthodoxy dictates that Victims of European Colonialism cannot be racist.

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  13. Flicker Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Personally, I actually do subscribe to the notion that everyone’s a little bit racist. i.e Just like so many other human personality traits, racism is a spectrum.

    Unfortunately, that notion has itself been declared racist since orthodoxy dictates that Victims of European Colonialism cannot be racist.

    And it requires an exquisitely detailed definition of the minutest expressions of racism.  Pico-aggressions.  Functionally racism is at the most the smallest part of any common experience.  I remember an account of John Lennon criticizing Paul’s choice of marrying Linda, saying that she certainly was not his ‘type’.  To which John alluded to Yoko being a similar surprise.  I argue that either of these two choices could be considered racist.  But in the final analysis what difference does any of it really make?

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  14. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Goldgeller (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    It’s probably not safe to answer such idiocy with questions, but it’s tempting:

    “So, that means African Americans are all racists too? Should I be worried about my white son being arrested by a black cop, even if he committed a crime and deserves arrest? How about Asian Americans? Are they fragile when we notice their kids outperform our white kids in college?”

    It’s Alinsky-time. Make them live up to their own rules.

    I don’t think the Alinsky approach will work like that. I’ll repeat and argument I don’t agree with, just to illustrate why. To be clear, the counter argument is upsetting, shortsighted, and counter-productive, but if you bring this up they will dismiss it because a very popular theory on racism is that it requires privilege and power.

    This is very subtle and important because, if pushed, a liberal doesn’t have to deny that out-group animus is generic. (Which undercuts the “Alinsky rules” dynamic.) They will claim you are missing their point. Non-white out-groups don’t have the power to affect outcomes like whites do. Even if there is evidence that brown and POC groups don’t get along, they aren’t “using” any “systemic” or “structural” elements in their disagreements. So it isn’t racism (not “racism” racism anyways).

    I believe I’ve tried to fairly restate the argument. I don’t like the argument. But I’ve tried to fairly restate it.

    Just because somebody thought that crap up doesn’t make it true. Racism is a thing. Anyone can be one. It involves your heart and your attitude toward another human being. If they want to come up with some other concept about power and whatever, let them think up a different word for it.

    Besides, if white people were the ones in power right now, all the rioters and members of Antifa and BLM would be in jail.  Some “power”!

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  15. TBA Coolidge
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Goldgeller (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    It’s probably not safe to answer such idiocy with questions, but it’s tempting:

    “So, that means African Americans are all racists too? Should I be worried about my white son being arrested by a black cop, even if he committed a crime and deserves arrest? How about Asian Americans? Are they fragile when we notice their kids outperform our white kids in college?”

    It’s Alinsky-time. Make them live up to their own rules.

    I don’t think the Alinsky approach will work like that. I’ll repeat and argument I don’t agree with, just to illustrate why. To be clear, the counter argument is upsetting, shortsighted, and counter-productive, but if you bring this up they will dismiss it because a very popular theory on racism is that it requires privilege and power.

    This is very subtle and important because, if pushed, a liberal doesn’t have to deny that out-group animus is generic. (Which undercuts the “Alinsky rules” dynamic.) They will claim you are missing their point. Non-white out-groups don’t have the power to affect outcomes like whites do. Even if there is evidence that brown and POC groups don’t get along, they aren’t “using” any “systemic” or “structural” elements in their disagreements. So it isn’t racism (not “racism” racism anyways).

    I believe I’ve tried to fairly restate the argument. I don’t like the argument. But I’ve tried to fairly restate it.

    Just because somebody thought that crap up doesn’t make it true. Racism is a thing. Anyone can be one. It involves your heart and your attitude toward another human being. If they want to come up with some other concept about power and whatever, let them think up a different word for it.

    Besides, if white people were the ones in power right now, all the rioters and members of Antifa and BLM would be in jail. Some “power”!

    I wish it was only a thing, but racism is many different things. This is why some people see it everywhere and some people see it nowhere. 

    From a legal standpoint racism is about discriminating in a job capacity, or a legal capacity. 

    From an ethical standpoint it is discriminating against someone by withholding ‘decent’ behavior based on race. 

    From a moral standpoint it involves thinking less of someone based on race but no other information. 

    From an interpersonal standpoint it is whatever [race] imagines is behind something they view as an offense. 

    The last definition is the least useful and the most harmful. 

    Oh, and all of these can be performed by any race. 

     

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  16. Charlotte Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    We (county public library) are having a series of “conversations on race to provide an opportunity for all library staff to talk about personal and national reactions to the killing of George Floyd and so many other people of color at the hands of the police” (copied from the email announcement). I attended one the other day, lurking but not participating via Microsoft Teams. I texted the interesting bits to Mr. Charlotte as it went on. There were about 17 participants of whom two were black women, one was a white man, and the rest were white women. All of these are verbatim:

    “This is not only a safe space, it is also a brave space.” [white lady moderating the meeting]

    “We’ve gone backwards 200 years in our race relations in this country!” [older black woman] Mr. Charlotte texted back (to me), “I wonder what a black person living in Fairfax County in 1820 would think about that statement made by a black person literally getting paid to attend meetings on race relations.”

    “Where do we go from here? How can we as a group heal this broken world?” [younger white woman]

    “One of the things we can do is just be good Christians to each other.” [older black woman] #IntersectionalityFail

    “I think we have to start with acknowledging that libraries are built on white supremacy. American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    Your tax dollars at work, Northern Virginia! You’re welcome.

    Were there any sane people who spoke up at this meeting?

    No, we stuck very faithfully to the self-flagellation agenda.

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  17. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    We (county public library) are having a series of “conversations on race to provide an opportunity for all library staff to talk about personal and national reactions to the killing of George Floyd and so many other people of color at the hands of the police” (copied from the email announcement). I attended one the other day, lurking but not participating via Microsoft Teams. I texted the interesting bits to Mr. Charlotte as it went on. There were about 17 participants of whom two were black women, one was a white man, and the rest were white women. All of these are verbatim:

    “This is not only a safe space, it is also a brave space.” [white lady moderating the meeting]

    “We’ve gone backwards 200 years in our race relations in this country!” [older black woman] Mr. Charlotte texted back (to me), “I wonder what a black person living in Fairfax County in 1820 would think about that statement made by a black person literally getting paid to attend meetings on race relations.”

    “Where do we go from here? How can we as a group heal this broken world?” [younger white woman]

    “One of the things we can do is just be good Christians to each other.” [older black woman] #IntersectionalityFail

    “I think we have to start with acknowledging that libraries are built on white supremacy. American libraries started out segregated and those policies and cataloging have not changed dramatically.” [middle aged white lady]

    Your tax dollars at work, Northern Virginia! You’re welcome.

    Were there any sane people who spoke up at this meeting?

    No, we stuck very faithfully to the self-flagellation agenda.

    Libraries are bastions of liberalism and the bastiards will destroy you if they find out you’re not one of them. 

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  18. Charlotte Member
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    TBA (View Comment):
    Libraries are bastions of liberalism and the bastiards will destroy you if they find out you’re not one of them. 

    I. Am. Aware.

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  19. TBA Coolidge
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    Libraries are bastions of liberalism and the bastiards will destroy you if they find out you’re not one of them.

    I. Am. Aware.

    I know. I just really wanted to type, ‘bastiards’. 

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  20. Flicker Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    Libraries are bastions of liberalism and the bastiards will destroy you if they find out you’re not one of them.

    I. Am. Aware.

    I know. I just really wanted to type, ‘bastiards’.

    The good Doctor would resent that.

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