The Shor Thing

 

I still can’t wrap my head around the “canceling” of David Shor. Shor is the progressive data analyst who tweeted a link to a research paper written by Omar Wasow of Princeton that showed that peaceful protest moves public opinion toward protesters, while rioting moves opinion in the opposite direction.

Progressphiles kicked Shor off its LISTSERV and released a statement that said, in part:

In response to a well-deserved call in over a racist tweet, he encouraged harassment that led to death threats instead of choosing to learn and grow from his mistake. We as the Progressphiles Moderators, professionals in this industry, and as people, absolutely condemn this behavior. It is unacceptable to make people on this list and in this community feel unsafe for calling out wrongdoings. We cannot begin to decolonize our minds if we do not create safety for those fighting against white supremacy.

Comments by Progressphile members following Shor’s expulsion were also interesting:

Sometimes [racism is] quiet; steeped in seemingly innocuous data and facts. Racism can wrap itself in the trappings of credible logic and I swear it can make sense.

[T]he idea that the moderators are someone shutting down discourse is patently absurd. Worth considering that they are indeed, trying to shut down discourse that might actually be offensive or racist for good reason.

According to Michael Brendan Dougherty, writing in NRO,

Ari Trujillo Wesler (co-founder of OpenField, a Democratic canvassing app) said that sharing the Wasow paper “reeks of anti-blackness,” then tagged in David Shor’s boss, saying, ‘Come get your boy.’… Shor’s fellow employees complained that his tweet made them “unsafe.”

Why was Shor’s tweet racist?

Why are Omar Wasow’s findings racist?

Is the proper woke position that black Americans are naturally violent people who like to riot? If so, why isn’t this position racist?

Or is the proper woke position that black Americans must riot to accomplish… what?

And if rioting is intended to accomplish something, why is it racist to suggest that another tactic might be more effective?

Is simply disagreeing with some blacks racist even though other blacks also believe that rioting is ineffective?

Why does suggesting that rioting is counterproductive make people feel unsafe? Do riots give Progressives a sense of security?

“Decolonize our minds?”

How does suggesting that riots are ineffective support white supremacy?

Are facts, if they really are true, racist? If they are false, can’t people simply provide counter facts and logic without attacking the mistaken person as evil?

How can one person simultaneously hold the following diametrically opposed thoughts in his head?

  1. The moderators didn’t shut down the discussion and claims that they did are absurd
  2. The moderators shut down the discussion for good reason

Do people really think and talk this way?

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  1. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    The other reason for lashing out here is Shor poked a hole in the bubble, and let in information that did not conform to the desired confirmation biases, where due to their control of most of the media and pop culture, those backing the recent civil unrest and the #BLM and Antifa actions find it far easier to cocoon themselves from bad news and to fight off any attempts to allow it into their world. You saw the same thing proactively last month in New York when Bill de Blasio ordered COVID-19 contact trackers working for the city not to ask people if they attended any of the George Floyd-caused protest events — it didn’t matter that the information might help the city and the area in general do a better job of containing any new coronavirus spike, the mayor and others supporting the protests didn’t want any information gathered which might show those events were spreaders of the virus.

    In this case, the people mad at Shor don’t want people to know that the protests might be bad for their cause, because they believe their are Masters of the Media Universe, and without that information being out in public, can somehow convince enough people to go against their own personal preferences and somehow think riots are good (likely via intimidation and trying to isolate those people into believing no one else thinks riots are bad, so they need to get with where everyone else is on the matter). Alternate statistics then are attacked just like alternate opinions, where those who allow either to enter the marketplace of ideas are to be cancelled — Shor’s treatment in that way is no different from James Bennett, who was forced out at the Times for the effrontery of putting Tom Cotton’s op-ed into the pages and the html links of the paper’s subscribers.

    It could also be that the powers-that-be on the Left realize that they can’t prevent the riots, looting, and arson because most of it is being done by opportunists who don’t care anything about the cause.  Shor’s tweet was telling them what they already knew but couldn’t do anything about.  If they’re stuck with the violence, they might as well try to legitimize it as part of the struggle.  They want to shape the narrative before Trump and his supporters can use the riots either to discredit BLM or to pick up votes in November.

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  2. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Every person they cancel is a recruit for our cause.

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  3. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Like so many leftist movements, they cannot control themselves. Had the Girondins not been purged and Guillotined, Napoleon would never have risen to power and the French Revolution  might well have succeeded.  Jean Paul Marat was the equivalent of Social Media.  His murder by Charlotte Corday set off the Terror, which was ended  by the Guillotine of Robespierre. The Red Guards of China were finally stopped by Mao.  The USA is not China or revolutionary France in 1793.  There is intense pressure building  for an end to this nonsense.  The arrest of the few Whites who have resisted using guns is evidence of the agenda of those behind this  unrest. George Soros, who funded the campaigns of the DAs  charging the St Louis and Martinez CA couples, has become rather visible.  I would hope those couples find legal representation. The St Louis couple seem well able to take care of themselves, being wealthy lawyers.  I hope both can pierce the sovereign immunity protecting  both DAs and Soros.

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  4. Flicker Coolidge
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    You know.  I wear a mask.  Not because I want to or even out of respect for others’ feelings or fears, but because I fear the government.  I now fear the jury.  When so many sane things are rejected, and so much mindless baseless self-contradictory stuff is being presented as ‘truth’, I don’t even think that the legal system is immune.  Come to think of it, look at this opening paragraph from a Breitbart article today:

    Contra Costa County, California, District Attorney Diana Becton, who was backed by left-wing billionaire George Soros in 2018, has charged a couple with a “hate crime” for painting over a “Black Lives Matter” mural [sic] on the road.

    How can anyone feel safe when this is acceptable as the rule of law?  And when “hate crime” is such a vague and all-encompassing term.  And jurors are anti-factual, brainwashed and vengeful (see Roger Stone).

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  5. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    The other reason for lashing out here is Shor poked a hole in the bubble, and let in information that did not conform to the desired confirmation biases, where due to their control of most of the media and pop culture, those backing the recent civil unrest and the #BLM and Antifa actions find it far easier to cocoon themselves from bad news and to fight off any attempts to allow it into their world.

    It could also be that the powers-that-be on the Left realize that they can’t prevent the riots, looting, and arson because most of it is being done by opportunists who don’t care anything about the cause. Shor’s tweet was telling them what they already knew but couldn’t do anything about. If they’re stuck with the violence, they might as well try to legitimize it as part of the struggle. They want to shape the narrative before Trump and his supporters can use the riots either to discredit BLM or to pick up votes in November.

    At the upper levels there’s definitely some of that going on, to where they can’t control the excesses of the mob, so they attempt to spin the situation as best as possible. But at the lower levels, including with some of those reporting on the violence, it is hard to tell, when they say it’s a “mostly peaceful protest” while standing in front of a burning building or a mob trying to topple statues of even abolitionists, whether they’re doing it because they and their bosses are trying to convince the sheep in the audience that’s true, or if they  believe events with burning, looting and vandalism are “mostly peaceful” because they actually don’t see burning, looting and vandalism as a problem if the cause is just.

     

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  6. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Race creates racism. It’s obvious now.

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  7. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Like so many leftist movements, they cannot control themselves. Had the Girondins not been purged and Guillotined, Napoleon would never have risen to power and the French Revolution might well have succeeded. Jean Paul Marat was the equivalent of Social Media. His murder by Charlotte Corday set off the Terror, which was ended by the Guillotine of Robespierre. The Red Guards of China were finally stopped by Mao. The USA is not China or revolutionary France in 1793. There is intense pressure building for an end to this nonsense. The arrest of the few Whites who have resisted using guns is evidence of the agenda of those behind this unrest. George Soros, who funded the campaigns of the DAs charging the St Louis and Martinez CA couples, has become rather visible. I would hope those couples find legal representation. The St Louis couple seem well able to take care of themselves, being wealthy lawyers. I hope both can pierce the sovereign immunity protecting both DAs and Soros.

    Revolutions eventually eat their own

     – V D Hanson

     

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Every person they cancel is a recruit for our cause.

    Potentially. You have to remember that we’re icky.

    But if they do approach, and it turns out that people don’t reject them out of hand for their political idiosyncrasies — I mean, we put up with @arahant — then maybe …

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Race creates racism. It’s obvious now.

    And race is a social construct.  End Race Consciousness Now.

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  10. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Another frightening event. Sometimes, I don’t know how we go back to normal unless a sea change happens.

    How can one person simultaneously hold the following diametrically opposed thoughts in his head?

    The health experts aren’t hypocrites or believe two contradictory things. They are weighing relative risk. Their professional training has led them to conclude that systemic racism is a grave danger to the public health. It results in the killing of large numbers of unarmed black males by the police; in Persons of Color it causes all the comorbidities that make COVID-19 and other illnesses so deadly. So eliminating systemic racism is more important to public health than the slight risk of contracting COVID-19 while doing so. People in those demonstrations are just as much essential front line workers as people who staff hospitals. 

    On the other hand, churches, synagogues, national parks, beaches, and the like are mostly institutions which perpetuate systemic racism, and so the risk of attending and participating is unjustified.

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  11. ShaunaHunt Inactive
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    The news about Martinez, CA is sad. My mom was raised there and I still have family living there. I’ve seen some beautiful murals there. My cousin works at the library there.

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  12. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Let me help you.

    Everything needs to be seen through the lens of race. That is the only analysis that needs to be done. People do not take actions for any other reason.

    White people are inescapably racist. And they use the tools of language to maintain that supremacy by Western science, logic and reason. That is, they create their own reality to allow them to dominate others. To overthrow white supremacy that language must be destroyed.

    Shor (a white dude) quoting a “scientific study” is a perfect example of white supremacy. His citing to the study is an effort to undermine the efforts of those struggling against white supremacy, regardless of what he says his reasons were. The riots mentioned in the study are not violence, they are only actions designed to overturn the language of oppression. It is the language of oppression that is violence. Therefore, Shor is advocating violence against black people by citing the study. He is a racist.

    Here’s an example of how you properly “interrogate” actions in the world of critical race theory. Two people, one black and one white, walk into your store at the same time. You are a white storeowner. You serve the white person first. You are a racist. You serve the black person first because you obviously want to get them out of your store quickly because you feel threatened. You are a racist.

    None of the above is parody. This is how the theory works.

    All their dupes logically think that their support now puts them in the safe zone forever.

    The left is a bank robber team, where in the end one person sees all the team as disloyal, then shoots them all, takes the loot, and goes to a deserted island to live in secluded luxury.

    Lenin and Stalin killed indiscriminately. We haven t gotten to the big blood yet, but the current muzzling of Americans is a pretty big step in that direction.

    There is also a generational element here and a negation of the old “no enemies on the left” rule. The old leftists are being purged by the younger leftists who want power now. 

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  13. Flicker Coolidge
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    Andrew Klavan had a good point, one that I had been dancing around but not coming to head on. It has to do with truth, rationality, reason, consistency, lies and the normal desire of liars to have a lie believed.

    And that’s that the Left, the progressives, the Democrats, or whatever you want to call them, and the Press, and the Judiciary, have now thrown reason and truth and reality away.  Their arguments are not intended to be rational or consistent or in line with reality, or even true, but are all convenient lies, lies which aren’t even intended to resemble the truth; I would add, much like advertising slogans which are meant to have a certain effect on the crowd today, and be replaced with a different one tomorrow.

    The science is settled.

    0bamacare is a tax.

    Silence is violence.

    Masks save grandma.

    Trump is responsible for 100,000 dead.

    All whites are racist.

    The Revolution was ought to preserve slavery.

    And if someone says your words hurt someone by bouncing a brown-skinned child on your lap, or by saying all lives matter, you must immediately apologize even if you think you weren’t wrong, or even if you didn’t even hurt anyone.

     

     

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  14. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Andrew Klavan had a good point, one that I had been dancing around but not coming to head on. It has to do with truth, rationality, reason, consistency, lies and the normal desire of liars to have a lie believed.

    And that’s that the Left, the progressives, the Democrats, or whatever you want to call them, and the Press, and the Judiciary, have now thrown reason and truth and reality away. Their arguments are not intended to be rational or consistent or in line with reality, or even true, but are all convenient lies, lies which aren’t even intended to resemble the truth; I would add, much like advertising slogans which are meant to have a certain effect on the crowd today, and be replaced with a different one tomorrow.

    The science is settled.

    0bamacare is a tax.

    Silence is violence.

    Masks save grandma.

    Trump is responsible for 100,000 dead.

    All whites are racist.

    The Revolution was ought to preserve slavery.

     

    Hands up, don’t shoot!

    Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, was murdered

     

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  15. Brandon Member
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    I have been intrigued in recent years, and especially in very recent weeks, how many of the arguments of people claiming we must change everything because everything is racist are arguments based implicitly on assumptions that black people are incapable of civilized behavior, incapable of reasoning and learning, and are inherently violent. These are their friends?

    They would respond that the very language you are using demonstrates you are a racist. The meanings white people have given terms like “civilized behavior”, “reasoning” and “learning” are merely constructs used to maintain white supremacy. When others take control of the top of the power hierarchy they can infuse their own meanings into the terms, meanings that allow them to maintain their supremacy.

    It’s why you can’t argue with them. They simply will not accept the terms you use. Your language has no meaning independent of its use to maintain white supremacy.

    And they are giving me the reason to be a real racist white supremacist. If they tell me they can’t or won’t live alongside me, then the only thing I can do is lock them up. As @omegapaladin notes above, I might as well join the “alt-right” and embrace my superior position, and stop wasting my time trying to pretend the black man is my equal with whom I can co-exist.

    Well, hold on. My impression, which may be wrong, is that most of this garbage is coming from white people who have been indoctrinated in the nation’s universities. The black people I know roll their eyes at this stuff.

    The problem is they now also run media, foundations, many cities, along with many corporations (and the ones they don’t run, they’ve intimidated). It all may sound crazy but it is impacting the real world, and the livelihood, careers and job prospects of a lot of people. It’s like a virus that escaped the lab and is now infecting the wider population.

    I agree. But I don’t see how going full Alt-Right is going to make things any better.

    Going alt-right won’t make anything better.  It will, in fact, make things far worse.  But you can see the logic of someone that is riding the fence: “If I interact with black people then I’m going to be called a racist no matter what I do.  The safest way for me to live is to simply avoid all interaction with minorities.”  And that’s the real shame of the twisted logic of racial identify politics.  It takes people from disparate races and makes them suspicious of one another.  It’s truly shameful.  

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  16. Roderic Coolidge
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    They become enraged at the common sense idea that violence, vandalism, and looting turns ordinary people off?  It’s racist to even say so?  Well, of course.  Progressives have become unsustainably silly. 

    I see no reason to warn them off of this tendency.  As they say, if an opponent is destroying himself don’t interfere.    

    Some of the best minds among them have already had enough.  

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  17. Roderic Coolidge
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    Brandon (View Comment):
    “If I interact with black people then I’m going to be called a racist no matter what I do. The safest way for me to live is to simply avoid all interaction with minorities.” And that’s the real shame of the twisted logic of racial identify politics. It takes people from disparate races and makes them suspicious of one another. It’s truly shameful

    If white supremacists had founded Black Lives Matter to foment racial division, strife, segregation, etc., they could hardly be doing a better job of it.  

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  18. Kay of MT Inactive
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    All this racist stuff is confusing me. I didn’t know I was supposed to be racist, as a child nobody ever told me. To be told I am a white raciest or have white privilege at age 80+is a bit of a shock. I don’t think I will give up my 5 great grandchildren of color nor my friends of color. I love them to much.

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  19. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    All this racist stuff is confusing me. I didn’t know I was supposed to be racist, as a child nobody ever told me. To be told I am a white raciest or have white privilege at age 80+is a bit of a shock. I don’t think I will give up my 5 great grandchildren of color nor my friends of color. I love them to much.

    Oh, sure.  Using the old, “Some of my favorite family members are black,” dodge.  

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  20. Old Bathos Member
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    All this racist stuff is confusing me. I didn’t know I was supposed to be racist, as a child nobody ever told me. To be told I am a white raciest or have white privilege at age 80+is a bit of a shock. I don’t think I will give up my 5 great grandchildren of color nor my friends of color. I love them to much.

    You think you’re shocked? Try being an old white male and discovering that with patriarchy, privilege and systemic racism you were running the whole world all this time and did not even know it. 

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  21. Songwriter Inactive
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    Jules PA (View Comment):
    The left is a bank robber team, where in the end one person sees all the team as disloyal, then shoots them all, takes the loot, and goes to a deserted island to live in secluded luxury.

    There is no honor among thieves. By default, Leftists are takers of other people’s goods, money, and property. They are thieves with no honor. The only thing for a smart Leftist to do is shoot all your fellow Leftists before one of them shoots you.

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  22. James Gawron Inactive
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    Richard Fulmer: Sometimes [racism is] quiet; steeped in seemingly innocuous data and facts. Racism can wrap itself in the trappings of credible logic and I swear it can make sense.

    Richard,

    Over and over I have been trying to get across the reality of a nihilistic philosophical school that took root in American universities in the late 1990s. “The facts don’t matter, only the narrative matters.” This is the deconstructionist creed. Once you have adopted this schizophrenic philosophy there is no longer any need to refute a highly rational argument based on well-documented facts. You simply declare that it supports the “racist” narrative, reject it on that basis alone, and try to destroy its author.

    When you get over its modern-sounding adjectives, deconstructionism is a magical anti-enlightenment epistemology that should remind us of the 1984 novel. In the dystopian novel, the government asserts that ‘wrong think’ can be ‘detected’ by the government no matter the facts. The government then goes beyond that and asserts that whatever it says is true is true. Even to the point of 2 + 2 is equal to 5. If the government says it’s 5 then it is 5.

    We need to realize that this is already happening not just take it as a warning from a dystopian novel suggesting that it might happen.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  23. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Songwriter (View Comment):

    Jules PA (View Comment):
    The left is a bank robber team, where in the end one person sees all the team as disloyal, then shoots them all, takes the loot, and goes to a deserted island to live in secluded luxury.

    There is no honor among thieves. By default, Leftists are takers of other people’s goods, money, and property. They are thieves with no honor. The only thing for a smart Leftist to do is shoot all your fellow Leftists before one of them shoots you.

    Scenes from The Dark Knight and Ghost Ship are running through my head right now.

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  24. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    You know. I wear a mask. Not because I want to or even out of respect for others’ feelings or fears, but because I fear the government. I now fear the jury. When so many sane things are rejected, and so much mindless baseless self-contradictory stuff is being presented as ‘truth’, I don’t even think that the legal system is immune. Come to think of it, look at this opening paragraph from a Breitbart article today:

    Contra Costa County, California, District Attorney Diana Becton, who was backed by left-wing billionaire George Soros in 2018, has charged a couple with a “hate crime” for painting over a “Black Lives Matter” mural [sic] on the road.

    How can anyone feel safe when this is acceptable as the rule of law? And when “hate crime” is such a vague and all-encompassing term. And jurors are anti-factual, brainwashed and vengeful (see Roger Stone).

    Why I moved to Arizona after 60 years in California.  My wife is third generation CA native.

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  25. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    James Gawron (View Comment):
    Once you have adopted this schizophrenic philosophy there is no longer any need to refute a highly rational argument based on well-documented facts. You simply declare that it supports the “racist” narrative, reject it on that basis alone, and try to destroy its author.

    Great description of the mindset.  It’s really just ad hominem attacks wrapped in esoteric language that’s intended to (a) obscure the fact that it’s nothing more than name calling, (b) make it sound very deep and learned, and (c) intimidate people who might otherwise object. 

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  26. ape2ag Member
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    The safest way for me to live is to simply avoid all interaction with minorities.

    I’ve felt this way at times.  I don’t think I’m alone.

     

     

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  27. James Gawron Inactive
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):
    Once you have adopted this schizophrenic philosophy there is no longer any need to refute a highly rational argument based on well-documented facts. You simply declare that it supports the “racist” narrative, reject it on that basis alone, and try to destroy its author.

    Great description of the mindset. It’s really just ad hominem attacks wrapped in esoteric language that’s intended to (a) obscure the fact that it’s nothing more than name calling, (b) make it sound very deep and learned, and (c) intimidate people who might otherwise object.

    Richard,

    Now you’ve got it exactly. They snuck in the backdoor to get tenure. After that, they need those psychotic screaming attack dog “protestors” to deliver a lethal blow to their targets. We must continue to punch our way into free speech on campus, not only for our conservative kids, but for embattled conservative profs who would love to hit these clowns hard but are pinned down by their dirty tactics.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  28. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    ape2ag (View Comment):

    The safest way for me to live is to simply avoid all interaction with minorities.

    I’ve felt this way at times. I don’t think I’m alone.

     

     

    Derbyshire got into a lot of trouble for that advice, which I think is good in general.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/

     

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