Leftist Education Created This Moment

 

Toppled Christopher Columbus statue, St. Paul, MN.

If you are disgusted with the lawless chaos that America has been subjected to recently, you have our educational system, especially our universities, to blame.

American-hating thugs who topple statutes and demand policymaking authority over our once proud nation are the direct result of the takeover of our universities by left-wing radicals. They have relentlessly propagandized young Americans to believe our history is a shameful litany of racism, imperialism, and exploitation.

Students never have the chance to learn that they were born into the only successful multi-racial democracy in history. Such viewpoints are shamed and excluded, so students inevitably come to believe what they are told.

Black Lives Matter and Antifa in the past would have been deemed the outlaw fringe. Their rallies feature chants like “What do we want? Dead cops. When we want them? Now.” And “Pigs in a blanket. Fry ‘em like bacon.”

Hatred of America is their philosophical core. Violence, terrifying because it is so senseless, is their tactic of choice.

In their monumental arrogance and ignorance, they have toppled or threatened memorials to emancipation, abolitionists, and black soldiers who fought heroically in the Civil War. America’s history is dishonored in attacks on George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S. Grant, and Theodore Roosevelt. They’ve even gone after Mahatma Gandhi and first responders.

In their inchoate way, they mean business. Seattle CHOP leader Jaden Grayson. vowed “I am here to disrupt until my demands are met. You cannot rebuild until you break it all the way down… I’m letting people know what comes next.” Another BLM leader told Fox News that “if the US doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down the system.”

But here’s the worst part. According to the Pew Research  Center, 67% of Americans support Black Lives Matter!  Entertainers and athletes, many of whom refused to support the heroic Hong Kong protesters, are on board with BLM. CEOs fawn over them and write gigantic checks. Almost all Democrats stand silently by while our culture and history are destroyed.

How could this be?  These supporters, like BLM itself, are the products of an educational system that has pumped their minds full of anti-historical, anti-American racist mush. Over the last 50 years, our universities have changed from centers of free intellectual inquiry into crude propaganda mills where one ideology reigns supreme and no others are tolerated.

Students are carefully protected from the supposed literal injury that can result from exposure to unwelcome ideas. They are provided “trigger warnings” for classic literature passages. When fraught, they are provided “safe spaces” with Play-Doh, coloring books, and cookies.  (Yes, really).

In 1969, the ratio of left/right college professors was 3-to-2. Today it is 8-to-1, and 48-to-1 among professors who have been recently hired. In this monolithic environment, free-speech rights and intellectual diversity perish.

For example, dozens of faculty members at the University of Chicago, supposedly a free speech bastion, demanded the ouster of Harold Uhlig, who lost his editorship at a prestigious journal, simply for declining to support BLM. A UCLA professor was disciplined for refusing student demands to postpone exams following the George Floyd protests.

Meanwhile, the cost of higher education has gone through the roof, far outstripping inflation.  With bloated budgets and soaring administrative costs – particularly the new army of “diversity specialists” – filling seats has become the priority.

Grade inflation, painless exams, and dumbed-down reading lists have been the result. General knowledge tests of graduates show little difference from incoming freshmen. These same students consider themselves the moral superiors of all who have come before.

Americans have traditionally and rightfully been proud of our universities but It’s time to face the new reality. We are paying more and more and getting ever less academic achievement or preservation of the values of Western Civilization.

A few universities still deserve support, but the pandemic may be a particularly apt time to dial back our tuition and tax dollars going to self-absorbed, unaccountable institutions.

As one educator put it, “until we stop sending our kids off to intellectually bankrupt schools, we can expect nothing other than an intellectually bankrupt culture.”

 

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  1. Basil Fawlty Member
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    As Mark Steyn says, it’s easier for the base to get a new elite than for the elite to get a new base. I hope he’s right.

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  2. Unsk Member
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    @Unsk

    Exactly Right. But worse than that all these educators criminally indoctrinated their students. Under the “Equal Protection” clause all the students should have been given at a minimum both sides of the story.

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  3. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    If someone made a list of intolerant incidents since the George Floyd coverage farce — statues destroyed, monuments vandalized, products rebranded, places renamed, employees and teachers fired, people banned or demonetized by social media companies, etc — the list would probably include 100 items by now. 

    If Republicans and conservatives don’t stop this mob aggression soon, there will not be time to counter the miseducation problem. The Left is gaining a dangerous momentum. Intimidation is overtaking competition of ideas and elections as the normal method of social change. 

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  4. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    If someone made a list of intolerant incidents since the George Floyd coverage farce — statues destroyed, monuments vandalized, products rebranded, places renamed, employees and teachers fired, people banned or demonetized by social media companies, etc — the list would probably include 100 items by now.

    If Republicans and conservatives don’t stop this mob aggression soon, there will not be time to counter the miseducation problem. The Left is gaining a dangerous momentum. Intimidation is overtaking competition of ideas and elections as the normal method of social change.

    I think the list would be in the thousands, at this point.

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  5. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Antonio Gramsci explained all this years ago.

    Orthodox Marxism had predicted that socialist revolution was inevitable in capitalist societies. By the early 20th century, no such revolution had occurred in the most advanced nations. Rather, capitalism seemed more entrenched than ever. Capitalism, Gramsci suggested, maintained control not just through violence and political and economic coercion, but also through ideology. The bourgeoisie developed a hegemonic culture, which propagated its own values and norms so that they became the “common sense” values of all. People in the working-class (and other classes) identified their own good with the good of the bourgeoisie, and helped to maintain the status quo rather than revolting.

    To counter the notion that bourgeois values represented natural or normal values for society, the working class needed to develop a culture of its own. Lenin held that culture was ancillary to political objectives, but for Gramsci it was fundamental to the attainment of power that cultural hegemony be achieved first. In Gramsci’s view, a class cannot dominate in modern conditions by merely advancing its own narrow economic interests; neither can it dominate purely through force and coercion.[41] Rather, it must exert intellectual and moral leadership, and make alliances and compromises with a variety of forces.[41] Gramsci calls this union of social forces a “historic bloc”, taking a term from Georges Sorel. This bloc forms the basis of consent to a certain social order, which produces and re-produces the hegemony of the dominant class through a nexus of institutions, social relations, and ideas.[41] In this way, Gramsci’s theory emphasized the importance of the political and ideological superstructure in both maintaining and fracturing relations of the economic base.

    That is what we are seeing now. The results of the “Gramscian march through the culture.”

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  6. Jon1979 Inactive
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    On this note, George Will’s WaPo column today was a broadside against the intelligentsia and the education system supporting cancel culture, which included this:

    Today’s cancel culture — erasing history, ending careers — is inflicted by people experiencing an orgy of positive feelings about themselves as they negate others. This culture is a steamy sauna of self-congratulation: “I, an adjunct professor of gender studies, am superior to U.S. Grant, so there.” Grant promptly freed the slave he received from his father-in-law, and went on to pulverize the slavocracy. Nevertheless . . .

    The cancelers need just enough learning to know, vaguely, that there was a Lincoln who lived when Americans, sunk in primitivism, thought they were confronted with vexing constitutional constraints and moral ambiguities. The cancel culture depends on not having so much learning that it spoils the statue-toppling fun: Too much learning might immobilize the topplers with doubts about how they would have behaved in the contexts in which the statues’ subjects lived.

    But George Will’s WaPo column 31 days ago included this:

    In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave   anything   as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.

    You cannot decry defining deviancy down in the Republican Party via Donald Trump as the worst thing ever, then be aghast over the people you’re also saying should have their politicians running all of the federal government. That’s just rewarding deviant behavior and the education system that helped to foster it.

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  7. James Lileks Contributor
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    I think I’ve said this before, but I’ll never forget our Spanish exchange student’s summation of her high school history class here in America:

    “Before, I think we come to America and explore like everyone else. Now I learn we come here and kill everybody.”

    Said with the most European shrug you can imagine. 

    My daughter got a well-rounded education on America in the Minneapolis Public School system, starting with her second grade teacher whose contribution to the annual pageant was having the kids stand at attention and read the Bill of Rights as if coached by R. Lee Ermey. Her high school history teacher was fantastic, and spent half a year on Central and South America, teaching them how that continent spent its time. (Hint: war and also war and slavery and also building discrete societies, plus war)

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  8. Tim McNabb Member
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    The Academy has been at war with America for 50 years.

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  9. Stina Inactive
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    Tom Patterson: Students never have the chance to learn that they were born into the only successful multi-racial democracy in history.

    Uh… Facts not in evidence?

    The allowance for multi-ethnic immigration occurred in 1965, didn’t it? Prior to that, we had one brief stint in the 1880s that saw a flood of immigration which was then shut down prior to World War 2. And that was still limited to white Europeans, though it had been expanded from only English speaking immigrants.

    So, we have survived something like 70 years as a multi-ethnic society? We have had 3-4 race riots during that time, a huge terror event (9/11), and increasing animosity in the last 1.5 decades.

    How long did Rome survive as a multi-ethnic society before it blew up into smithereens under the weight of it’s multi-ethnicity?

    I’m thinking Rome did better… they survived quite a while, didn’t they?

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  10. James Lileks Contributor
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    Stina (View Comment):

    How long did Rome survive as a multi-ethnic society before it blew up into smithereens under the weight of it’s multi-ethnicity?

    I’m thinking Rome did better… they survived quite a while, didn’t they?

    Paging VDH! But yes, they did, but man, it’s complex. It’s easy to be multi-ethnic when the governing class is monocultural and has absolute power, and can indulge all sorts of things that don’t infringe on its authority. Even when they’d consolidated power on the peninsula there were regional differences that would have been “multi-ethnic” to them. That said, the Romans had a civic ideal that could be expanded if it was politically expedient; they shrugged at foreign cultural inroads unless they became a problem; they accommodated the rise of barbarian influence in their system out of weakness and calculation; they established a mirror-capital in the East and saw the Roman ideas filtered and morphed through a different political calculus. 

    Roman history is so vast you can find an analogue anywhere. And they’re usually quite apt.

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  11. Zafar Member
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    Tom Patterson: Students never have the chance to learn that they were born into the only successful multi-racial democracy in history.

    Er…hello from Australia, you may have heard of us?

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  12. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Tom Patterson: Students never have the chance to learn that they were born into the only successful multi-racial democracy in history.

    Er…hello from Australia, you may have heard of us?

    Zafar, can you give us more information about this?

    My impression is that Australia was overwhelmingly white until very recently, except for the Aborigines who were largely excluded from society. The multi-racial element seems new, and doesn’t seem to be working well, resulting in the same intersectional problems that we are now seeing in the US.

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  13. Zafar Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    My impression is that Australia was overwhelmingly white until very recently, except for the Aborigines who were largely excluded from society. The multi-racial element seems new, and doesn’t seem to be working well, resulting in the same intersectional problems that we are now seeing in the US

    Australian society was not just overwhelmingly white, it was officially overwhelmingly Anglo-Celtic by popular demand. (Also note: until 1971 the movement of citizens between the old Commonwealth countries was unconstrained, so Brits could just move to Australia on whim and vice versa.)

    But, of course, it’s more complicated than that.

    As European settlement established itself Australia (1770 onwards) the population became overwhelmingly Anglo-Celtic, with the number of Aboriginal people declining sharply.

    There were very low levels of non-Anglo Celtic migration, until the Victorian Gold Rush (1857?) which resulted in a lot of non-British Europeans coming to settle. It also pulled in numbers of Chinese and Lebanese migrants, as well as some outliers like Afghan camel drivers recruited to help travel into the desert interior. (Horses just died, you see.)

    This was not popular, and after Federation (1901) it was significantly constrained by various laws (The White Australia Policy) which basically continued, with some fluctuations until selection of migrants on the basis of race was outlawed in 1973.

    After WWII the Government decided it really had to get a bigger population – Australia felt too potentially vulnerable otherwise to large Asian countries like Japan. (Who knows when the next Yellow Peril will arise, right?)  So while they still preferred Brits, and even paid some to immigrate, they widened the criteria to include Continental Europeans. The first ship of post-war refugees was deliberately comprised of Blond Balts, because it was felt that the public would perceive them as less alien, but overwhelmingly migration from the Continent was from poor, dark haired, swarthy Southern Europe – Greeks, Italians, Maltese, Cypriots, Turks.  And then also from Lebanon (just in time for the push of their Civil War).

    All of these waves of migration created friction with the native born, enclaves, and eventual 2nd and 3d generation integration into an Australia which was also changed by that ongoing integration.

    While there were some large migrant waves of refugees (boat people from Viet Nam, refugees from the Lebanese Civil War, Iraq, South Sudan) most migrants had to meet criteria, it became a competition, and migration from South Asia, China and places like the Philippines came to dominate.

    In 2019 almost a third of Australia citizens were born overseas (wiki table) though that includes Britain and New Zealand. Rough estimate about 25% born in majority non-white countries.

    Far from perfect, occasional ‘events’, definite albeit decreasing racism, but from experience racial tensions are greatest in rural areas between native born Whites and Aborignal people, not so much in day to day life between the native born and migrants. It feels pretty successful.

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  14. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Far from perfect, occasional ‘events’, definite albeit decreasing racism, but from experience racial tensions are greatest in rural areas between native born Whites and Aborignal people, not so much in day to day life between the native born and migrants. It feels pretty successful.

    Britain is also pretty successful when it comes to integrating their non-Muslim immigrants of any color. 

    @Zafar Why is it that the U.S., Canada and Australia can integrate non-white immigrants so successfully but can’t integrate Muslims and their indigenous populations? 

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  15. Zafar Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Britain is also pretty successful when it comes to integrating their non-Muslim immigrants of any color. 

    Explain.  How do you measure success?

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  16. Zafar Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Why is it that the U.S., Canada and Australia can integrate non-white immigrants so successfully but can’t integrate Muslims

    By what measure are Hindu Americans less integrated than Muslim Americans?

    and their indigenous populations? 

    Because these countries’ unreconstructed Civil Religions are based on killing and displacing indigenous people.  For indigenous people to buy into this emotionally they’d need to really hate and despise themselves and believe theat they deserved to be conquered and destroyed.

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  17. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    On this note, George Will’s WaPo column today was a broadside against the intelligentsia and the education system supporting cancel culture, which included this:

    Today’s cancel culture — erasing history, ending careers — is inflicted by people experiencing an orgy of positive feelings about themselves as they negate others. This culture is a steamy sauna of self-congratulation: “I, an adjunct professor of gender studies, am superior to U.S. Grant, so there.” Grant promptly freed the slave he received from his father-in-law, and went on to pulverize the slavocracy. Nevertheless . . .

    The cancelers need just enough learning to know, vaguely, that there was a Lincoln who lived when Americans, sunk in primitivism, thought they were confronted with vexing constitutional constraints and moral ambiguities. The cancel culture depends on not having so much learning that it spoils the statue-toppling fun: Too much learning might immobilize the topplers with doubts about how they would have behaved in the contexts in which the statues’ subjects lived.

    But George Will’s WaPo column 31 days ago included this:

    In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.

    You cannot decry defining deviancy down in the Republican Party via Donald Trump as the worst thing ever, then be aghast over the people you’re also saying should have their politicians running all of the federal government. That’s just rewarding deviant behavior and the education system that helped to foster it.

    Will should stick to baseball,  which he knows something about.  It is astonishing to see this mentality among supposedly educated people.

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  18. Jon1979 Inactive
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    On this note, George Will’s WaPo column today was a broadside against the intelligentsia and the education system supporting cancel culture, which included this:

    Today’s cancel culture — erasing history, ending careers — is inflicted by people experiencing an orgy of positive feelings about themselves as they negate others. This culture is a steamy sauna of self-congratulation: “I, an adjunct professor of gender studies, am superior to U.S. Grant, so there.” Grant promptly freed the slave he received from his father-in-law, and went on to pulverize the slavocracy. Nevertheless . . .

    But George Will’s WaPo column 31 days ago included this:

    In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.

    You cannot decry defining deviancy down in the Republican Party via Donald Trump as the worst thing ever, then be aghast over the people you’re also saying should have their politicians running all of the federal government. That’s just rewarding deviant behavior and the education system that helped to foster it.

    Will should stick to baseball, which he knows something about. It is astonishing to see this mentality among supposedly educated people.

    I would actually like to hear him invited on The Ricochet Podcast to explain how he can square the circle between his June 1 column and his July 2 column in a binary presidential and congressional election. He wants people to vote for the statue topplers.

     

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  19. Jim Kearney Member
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    Tom Patterson: the George Floyd protests

    @tompatterson is right that “this moment” was possible because of leftist education. Add to that the Wuhan virus pandemic, which left a lot of young folks home, horny, and lonely, and the imminence of an election. The radicals and dupes who flooded the streets over the last month or so weren’t really engaging in “protests”, of course. Some present may only think they’re affirming that “black lives matter” literally, but BLM the political organization and Antifa are Marxist-Leninist revolutionary groups with a far more sinister agenda.

    The death of George Floyd had been parlayed from an anomalous tragedy into a major media event. How? They made him a martyr. Christians, of course, understand the power of martyrdom better than anyone. It’s use as a tactic by secular left has an element of irony. Phil Ochs, the liberal folk-singer of the anti-Vietnam protest movement of the 1960’s, captured the power of martyrdom brilliantly in his dark ballad about the Kennedy Assassination, The Crucifixion

    “How did it happen? I hope his suffering was small
    Tell me every detail, for I’ve got to know it all
    And do you have a picture of the pain?”

    So over and over the media played the clip of the killer choke hold. Then, like a missionary holding up a cross before converted natives, they ordered a nation into literal genuflection. 

    They seized this moment intentionally, and arguably in desperation. A Trump landslide fueled by the backlash against the riots (and three years of economic boom preceding the pandemic) is certainly still a possibility. Quick follow-up was needed to prolong the “crisis.” To do so, the Left would reveal not only its control of most major media institutions (and oh, how closely they monitor every sale of a major media institution, to protect their own and prevent any conservative disruption of their tenured editorial control), but a far wider reaching circle of influence.

    Institutional educators alone could not win this war. @michaelkennedy correctly identifies the real power source of the left, “the Gramscian march through the culture.” The reaction to the Floyd Crucifixion media event by journalistic elites and other corporate institutions was a moment of revelation.

    Heretofore neutral observers from the corporate and media world literally showed — and openly flew — their colors, in an attempt to mainstream Black Lives Matter into “common sense” mainstream cultural hegemony. The BLM banner flew over Amazon.com and the Amazon Prime home pages. “Continue watching” gave way to recommended black power documentaries. The NFL vowed to play a black national anthem for its opening week games, no matter how many (or how few) attend. Even baseball’s MLB Network dutifully stuck a couple of socially distanced anchors into a live studio discussion of racial matters, after weeks of nothing but old ballgame reruns. Target, Walmart, Facebook, Apple and Microsoft chose the moment to side up with the claimants of racial injustice.

    Advertisers large and small swore allegiance. Small television networks announced their pledges of financial support to BLM and allied organizations. Ironically, one such notice popped up on WE (owned by AMC Networks) during reruns of Law & Order.  Maybe showing support for an anti-police group on a cop show fits right in with the promos for their Life After Lockup reality show.

    Back in the 1980’s America was united in its celebration and approval of black middle class achievement. The Cosby Show was #1 on television in all demographics. The Black Power left wing radicals of the ’60s had been widely discredited (or assimilated into the liberal establishment with government support.) Reagan won re-election in a landslide. National optimism prevailed.

    Will history repeat itself? The election of 2020 may well echo the world of 1984. The voters are being asked to decide if it will be more like Reagan’s 1984, or Orwell’s.

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  20. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Zafar

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Why is it that the U.S., Canada and Australia can integrate non-white immigrants so successfully but can’t integrate Muslims

    By what measure are Hindu Americans less integrated than Muslim Americans?

    Hindus are more integrated. I think that’s what you meant. Hindus are more integrated than Muslims because Hindus don’t commit FGM and they don’t blow stuff up. 

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  21. Tom Patterson Member
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    If someone made a list of intolerant incidents since the George Floyd coverage farce — statues destroyed, monuments vandalized, products rebranded, places renamed, employees and teachers fired, people banned or demonetized by social media companies, etc — the list would probably include 100 items by now.

    If Republicans and conservatives don’t stop this mob aggression soon, there will not be time to counter the miseducation problem. The Left is gaining a dangerous momentum. Intimidation is overtaking competition of ideas and elections as the normal method of social change.

    I think the list would be in the thousands, at this point.

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Tom Patterson: Students never have the chance to learn that they were born into the only successful multi-racial democracy in history.

    Er…hello from Australia, you may have heard of us?

     

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  22. Tom Patterson Member
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    @zafar, You and others make a fair point. It is, as has been pointed out, complicated but I do stand corrected in claiming that America has been the “only“ successful multi racial democracy. I may have been able to establish that it is the most successful, but that is not the point. What I was trying to say is that people born or naturalized into the US are among the fortunate of the earth.  Yet they are taught resentment and believe the appropriate response is lashing out at the circumstances into which they were born.

    They are taught resentment.  Gratitude is undervalued. Entitlement is boundless and ultimately eats out the soul of the culture.

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  23. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Far from perfect, occasional ‘events’, definite albeit decreasing racism, but from experience racial tensions are greatest in rural areas between native born Whites and Aborignal people, not so much in day to day life between the native born and migrants. It feels pretty successful.

    Britain is also pretty successful when it comes to integrating their non-Muslim immigrants of any color.

    @Zafar Why is it that the U.S., Canada and Australia can integrate non-white immigrants so successfully but can’t integrate Muslims and their indigenous populations?

    The religion and culture.  I recommend a book by David Pryce Jones.

    https://www.amazon.com/Closed-Circle-Interpretation-Edward-Burlingame-ebook/dp/B002EVP4V8/

     

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  24. Zafar Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Zafar

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Why is it that the U.S., Canada and Australia can integrate non-white immigrants so successfully but can’t integrate Muslims

    By what measure are Hindu Americans less integrated than Muslim Americans?

    Hindus are more integrated. I think that’s what you meant. Hindus are more integrated than Muslims because Hindus don’t commit FGM and they don’t blow stuff up.

    Oh Henry, I had expected better from you.

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  25. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Zafar

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Why is it that the U.S., Canada and Australia can integrate non-white immigrants so successfully but can’t integrate Muslims

    By what measure are Hindu Americans less integrated than Muslim Americans?

    Hindus are more integrated. I think that’s what you meant. Hindus are more integrated than Muslims because Hindus don’t commit FGM and they don’t blow stuff up.

    Oh Henry, I had expected better from you.

    I don’t understand why my point wasn’t legitimate? I know that there is Hindu supremacy in India and at times Hindus have harshly oppresses Muslims. But I’ve never heard of a Hindu in Britain or America or anywhere else blowing stuff up. I figure it’s all part of the same pattern. 

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  26. Zafar Member
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    Tom Patterson (View Comment):

    @zafar, You and others make a fair point. It is, as has been pointed out, complicated but I do stand corrected in claiming that America has been the “only“ successful multi racial democracy.

    I was being a bit tongue in cheek.  Australia is easy to overlook but I was surprised that your close neighbour to the North is so forgettable.

    That said the US is the largest (by a long shot) self-perceived immigration nation of our times.  And it is indeed very successful.

    I may have been able to establish that it is the most successful, but that is not the point. What I was trying to say is that people born or naturalized into the US are among the fortunate of the earth. Yet they are taught resentment and believe the appropriate response is lashing out at the circumstances into which they were born.

    They are taught resentment. Gratitude is undervalued. Entitlement is boundless and ultimately eats out the soul of the culture.

    All Americans?  Who is “they”, and why aren’t they “us” for you?

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  27. Zafar Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Zafar

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Why is it that the U.S., Canada and Australia can integrate non-white immigrants so successfully but can’t integrate Muslims

    By what measure are Hindu Americans less integrated than Muslim Americans?

    Hindus are more integrated. I think that’s what you meant. Hindus are more integrated than Muslims because Hindus don’t commit FGM and they don’t blow stuff up.

    Oh Henry, I had expected better from you.

    I don’t understand why my point wasn’t legitimate? I know that there is Hindu supremacy in India and at times Hindus have harshly oppresses Muslims. But I’ve never heard of a Hindu in Britain or America or anywhere else blowing stuff up. I figure it’s all part of the same pattern.

    Do you really measure integration of migrants in the US by rates of FGM and blowing stuff up and nothing else? Felt kind of dismissive in a manipulative way.

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