The War on Bathrooms

 

I am in Klamath Falls, OR, 1,068 miles into my drive to Albany, OR. It has been a great trip, except for a curious aspect, the government’s war on bathrooms. Outside of Kirkwood, CA, I stopped to use a facility in the National Forest only to find the doors locked by my bureaucratic betters due to COVID-19, presumably to discourage travel by the hoi polloi like myself. My first instinct was to pee on the locked door but sanity returned and I parked by the side of the road a few miles later.

A few weeks ago, I stopped to admire the expansion of the Roosevelt Dam at the junction of AZ 88 and AZ 188. There was a bathroom that was locked to discourage people from traveling. At least this sign pleaded with people to not urinate against the building.

I stopped by Starbucks to order some food. Their bathrooms were closed to the public. I asked why. “Due to COVID-19” was the answer. “What, COVID-19 prevents people from needing to pee?” was my retort.

Hey, I don’t like the masks but wear mine religiously when I leave my car. However, this war on bathrooms is a step too far.

Patrick Henry famously exclaimed, “Give me Liberty or Give me Death!” Perhaps my fellow Ricochetti can think of a pithy exclamation.

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  1. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    XY  XX  1.5 X 0.5 Y spotted at O’Hare 

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  2. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You may (or may not) due do better in a less upscale establishment than Starbucks. Have you tried a McD? Lack of bathrooms does present a real problem for travelers, and is tougher on the ladies.

     

    Or try truck stops if you’re on the interstate. Most are now well-run clean chains like Love’s, Petro, Pilot, TA. 

    I haphazardly follow some reports by long distance truck drivers, and they have been complaining a lot about the lack of bathrooms and non-availability of food since mid-March. Many states closed the bathrooms in their state-run roadside rest areas. Though some states put up portable toilets without any explanation of why a portable toilet is less risky to virus hygiene than is a plumbed bathroom. 

    Large supermarkets, Walmart, Target, Lowe’s (hardware), and Home Depot also generally have restrooms available. 

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    So this is exactly the sort of nonsense that the Democrats want more of.

    It is what you want, Gary, because it is the sort of people you are voting for.

    Get used to being managed by the State over every little thing, even when to pee, if your side wins, Gary.

    Enjoy your victory.

    Hey, it was the Trump Department of Agriculture that closed the one toilet, and the Republican Governor Doug Ducey who closed the other one. Republicans can be as stupid as Democrats!

    First off, the Department of Ag is controlled by Democrats I am sure. 

    Second, I said it is the sort of nonsense Democrats want more of.

     

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Somehow this is Trump’s fault…..

    And Biden won’t make it worse…

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    A porta-potty on a trailer would be helpful. Don’t stop for lunch, or coffee near a sidewalk covered with tents.

    ZOMG! here in the great Commonwealth of PA our most illuminated overseers ordered rest stop bathrooms closed AND then ordered porta potties be set up outside directly next to the locked up restrooms. Obviously porta potties are a more sterile and pristine environment than permanent facilities where you can actually wash your hands. Sigh… This is the same group that ordered covid active patients into nursing facilities. And just yesterday, they regressed with restrictions on restaurants. They can continue to serve food (under limited capacity) but can no longer serve alcohol at those tables. Because drinking a glass of wine with your dinner somehow increases the transmission of the ‘Vid.

    Don’t worry, President Biden will make it all better.

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  6. Jon1979 Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    A porta-potty on a trailer would be helpful. Don’t stop for lunch, or coffee near a sidewalk covered with tents.

    ZOMG! here in the great Commonwealth of PA our most illuminated overseers ordered rest stop bathrooms closed AND then ordered porta potties be set up outside directly next to the locked up restrooms. Obviously porta potties are a more sterile and pristine environment than permanent facilities where you can actually wash your hands. Sigh… This is the same group that ordered covid active patients into nursing facilities. And just yesterday, they regressed with restrictions on restaurants. They can continue to serve food (under limited capacity) but can no longer serve alcohol at those tables. Because drinking a glass of wine with your dinner somehow increases the transmission of the ‘Vid.

    Don’t worry, President Biden will make it all better.

    He’ll issue an EO saying Depends are an entitlement that should be available to all travelers.

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  7. Flicker Coolidge
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    Hey, guys, this is the first post in which we haven’t mentioned the T-person once.  This is about a wonderful road trip.  Why not keep it that way.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    No, THIS post:

    http://ricochet.com/773640/road-trip-2/

    is about a wonderful road trip.

    THIS CURRENT post is about BAD parts of that road trip.

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    No, THIS post:

    http://ricochet.com/773640/road-trip-2/

    is about a wonderful road trip.

    THIS CURRENT post is about BAD parts of that road trip.

    Yes, okay.  Dagnamn Democrats!

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  10. Maguffin Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Republicans can be as stupid as Democrats!

    Even if there is nothing else on Ricochet we can all agree on, I believe that we can all agree on this.

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    I’ve been wondering about that. It would be nice to get away for a junket by bicycle. Or even for a series of long day rides from home. I can take lunch with me, but what about filling up my water bottles and emptying my bladder along the way. Buying water at gas station convenience stores isn’t likely to be a problem, but what if their restrooms are closed?  

    When I bought lawnmower gas today I had to go inside to get my receipt, and neglected to check the restroom situation. 

    Most of my riding is on country roads, but you might be surprised how hard it is to find an out-of-sight place to pee along the way. 

    It may be OK to pee on the streets of San Francisco, but it might draw unwanted attention around here.

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):


    XY XX 1.5 X 0.5 Y spotted at O’Hare

    Yikes!

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    I’ve been wondering about that. It would be nice to get away for a junket by bicycle. Or even for a series of long day rides from home. I can take lunch with me, but what about filling up my water bottles and emptying my bladder along the way. Buying water at gas station convenience stores isn’t likely to be a problem, but what if their restrooms are closed?

    When I bought lawnmower gas today I had to go inside to get my receipt, and neglected to check the restroom situation.

    Most of my riding is on country roads, but you might be surprised how hard it is to find an out-of-sight place to pee along the way.

    It may be OK to pee on the streets of San Francisco, but it might draw unwanted attention around here.

    Guys are so much luckier than the ladies in this department.  Still, when I was in farm land, I searched for a gas station to make a pit stop.

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  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Hey, guys, this is the first post in which we haven’t mentioned the T-person once. This is about a wonderful road trip. Why not keep it that way.

    The T-person?  I am sorry, I don’t know who you are talking about.

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  15. Vance Richards Inactive
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    So when governors try to determine what is and is not essential, toilets didn’t make the cut? And bathrooms also have sinks where people can wash their hands. Hand washing is a good way to lessen your chances of catching a disease. At least there are still plenty of roadside bushes.

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  16. Miffed White Male Member
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    Proposed slogan:  “Don’t Piss Me Off”.

     

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  17. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Hey, guys, this is the first post in which we haven’t mentioned the T-person once. This is about a wonderful road trip. Why not keep it that way.

    The T-person? I am sorry, I don’t know who you are talking about.

    I think that it’s a reference to the number on that bathroom wall, which you weren’t able to read.  867-5309.  The T-person is Tommy Tutone.

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  18. Hammer, The Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    So this is exactly the sort of nonsense that the Democrats want more of.

    It is what you want, Gary, because it is the sort of people you are voting for.

    Get used to being managed by the State over every little thing, even when to pee, if your side wins, Gary.

    Enjoy your victory.

    Bryan, this is so tiresome.

    I believe Gary has said that he believes in personal liberty and the stated aims of conservatism.  You are in absolutely no position not to take him at his word.  If he believes that having a democrat in office will do less harm for the next 4 years than having Trump in office, you can disagree all you want, but if you continue to make the claim that he doesn’t want what he very clearly states he wants, you are being deliberately obtuse.  It is beyond stupid.

    Let’s put it another way – you work as a counselor of some sort, no?  Let us say that you have a client who desires to be wealthy but continues to lose all of his money gambling.  Do you chastise him by saying that no, he really wants to be poor, or do you attempt to convince him that his strategy for getting rich will more likely make him poor?  Do you think that insulting him and calling him a liar is going to persuade him to adopt your preferred behavior?  What if he argues that the guy at the machine next to him last week hit jackpot and is now wealthy?  Do you suggest that that guy also seeking poverty?

    Aggressiveness is not persuasive, Bryan.  It shows that you feel strongly about what you’re arguing, and that you wear your emotions on your sleeve, but it is not persuasive.

     

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  19. Charlotte Member
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    Hammer, The (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    So this is exactly the sort of nonsense that the Democrats want more of.

    It is what you want, Gary, because it is the sort of people you are voting for.

    Get used to being managed by the State over every little thing, even when to pee, if your side wins, Gary.

    Enjoy your victory.

    Bryan, this is so tiresome.

    I believe Gary has said that he believes in personal liberty and the stated aims of conservatism. You are in absolutely no position not to take him at his word. If he believes that having a democrat in office will do less harm for the next 4 years than having Trump in office, you can disagree all you want, but if you continue to make the claim that he doesn’t want what he very clearly states he wants, you are being deliberately obtuse. It is beyond stupid.

    Let’s put it another way – you work as a counselor of some sort, no? Let us say that you have a client who desires to be wealthy but continues to lose all of his money gambling. Do you chastise him by saying that no, he really wants to be poor, or do you attempt to convince him that his strategy for getting rich will more likely make him poor? Do you think that insulting him and calling him a liar is going to persuade him to adopt your preferred behavior? What if he argues that the guy at the machine next to him last week hit jackpot and is now wealthy? Do you suggest that that guy also seeking poverty?

    Aggressiveness is not persuasive, Bryan. It shows that you feel strongly about what you’re arguing, and that you wear your emotions on your sleeve, but it is not persuasive.

     

    Well, and also, this was intended to just be a kind of silly and light-hearted thread.

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  20. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary is tiresome with his constant attacks on Trump and Trump supporters.

    Gary offers no grace to us, having used the term “cult” and “Trumpism”. Sorry, but if someone acts as if my reasoning cannot be rational, then I will not afford that person anything different.

    As we have been told not to attack Gary as a lawyer, I will be interested to see if that rule also applies to my profession. I suspect not. 

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  21. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    So when governors try to determine what is and is not essential, toilets didn’t make the cut? And bathrooms also have sinks where people can wash their hands. Hand washing is a good way to lessen your chances of catching a disease. At least there are still plenty of roadside bushes.

    Since governors said that travel is prohibited, then toilets for travelers become irrelevant since no one would be out of range of their home toilets. The governors forgot about truckers and others responsible for delivering essential goods and providing essential services, as dictators making dictates usually miss many things. 

    Some of the toilet closures are likely decisions by store management, not pursuant to government dictate. Keeping a commercial setting toilet clean is challenging in normal times. Trying to keep one clean when people expect everything to be sanitized after every user becomes quite difficult. Easier to just keep the toilet closed. 

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  22. MarciN Member
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    An infectious disease specialist with my local Cape Cod Hospital has written a helpful article about using public restrooms:

    https://www.capecodhealth.org/medical-services/infectious-disease/how-to-use-a-public-bathroom-in-the-time-of-covid-19/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NEWSFEED-6-30-20&utm_content=NEWSFEED-6-30-20+Version+B+CID_bb562907189a8d794b3001e2fd3f499c&utm_source=CampaignMonitor&utm_term=Learn%20more

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary is tiresome with his constant attacks on Trump and Trump supporters.

    Gary offers no grace to us, having used the term “cult” and “Trumpism”. Sorry, but if someone acts as if my reasoning cannot be rational, then I will not afford that person anything different.

    As we have been told not to attack Gary as a lawyer, I will be interested to see if that rule also applies to my profession. I suspect not.

    Who told you not to attack Gary as a lawyer?

    • #53
  24. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary is tiresome with his constant attacks on Trump and Trump supporters.

    Gary offers no grace to us, having used the term “cult” and “Trumpism”. Sorry, but if someone acts as if my reasoning cannot be rational, then I will not afford that person anything different.

    As we have been told not to attack Gary as a lawyer, I will be interested to see if that rule also applies to my profession. I suspect not.

    Who told you not to attack Gary as a lawyer?

    Mods 

     

    • #54
  25. Samuel Block Support
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    https://www.carewell.com/mckesson-male-urinal-32-oz-no-cover/?sku=56-80235S-EA1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwoub3BRC6ARIsABGhnyaPN-6aauT6nseBt7Vf9NYlFZ0OcxEN_3R8YSGHiJtxIPZ-Y9TZD9EaAiqWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

    Never leave home without it.

    You realize, even if this post gets 12+ likes, Jon is now never going to elevate it to the Main feed!

    And I highly doubt that it will be chosen as the Member Post of the Week!

    Well, you’ve got the 12. We’ll just have to see about Jon. And we all know Lileks is a lose canon. 😉

    • #55
  26. Samuel Block Support
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Hey, guys, this is the first post in which we haven’t mentioned the T-person once. This is about a wonderful road trip. Why not keep it that way.

    Yes. A thousand times yes!

    • #56
  27. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary is tiresome with his constant attacks on Trump and Trump supporters.

    Gary offers no grace to us, having used the term “cult” and “Trumpism”. Sorry, but if someone acts as if my reasoning cannot be rational, then I will not afford that person anything different.

    As we have been told not to attack Gary as a lawyer, I will be interested to see if that rule also applies to my profession. I suspect not.

    Who told you not to attack Gary as a lawyer?

    Mods

     

    Wow.  I guess I can see that.

    Are we allowed to mention his only moderate-sized bladder, and his penchant for public micturition?  Even once is too much!  (Sorry, Gary, but, I had to “go there”: silence is violence.)

    • #57
  28. Stad Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Republicans can be as stupid as Democrats!

    At least the constipated ones . . .

    • #58
  29. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    https://www.carewell.com/mckesson-male-urinal-32-oz-no-cover/?sku=56-80235S-EA1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwoub3BRC6ARIsABGhnyaPN-6aauT6nseBt7Vf9NYlFZ0OcxEN_3R8YSGHiJtxIPZ-Y9TZD9EaAiqWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

    Never leave home without it.

    You realize, even if this post gets 12+ likes, Jon is now never going to elevate it to the Main feed!

    And I highly doubt that it will be chosen as the Member Post of the Week!

    However it does seem destined for the Member Piss of the Week!

     

     

    • #59
  30. Basil Fawlty Member
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    I remember the highly-abbreviated stall doors on the Illinois Toll Road of many years ago. The way we were.

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