Discuss: Brandishing a Gun in a Gated Community

 

This is very interesting. This is either a gated community or an estate. Is the wife going to get in trouble for brandishing a weapon? I don’t know the law. What would you do?

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  1. Henry Racette Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Regarding self-defense and self-defense for beginners I thought this was pretty interesting.

     

     

    This is the eternal question, isn’t it? Revolver or semi-automatic?

    I used to teach defensive shooting classes, a long time ago, and I’ve always recommended revolvers for most people. Yes, revolvers can break down just as semi-autos can break down, but I’m convinced that most people who buy a gun for home defense will stop shooting soon after getting it, and will leave it sitting on a shelf or in a safe until the day they need it. Given the fact that they’ll fire it rarely and hardly strain the weapon, failures are far more likely to be the result of operator error than mechanical issues. And there just aren’t many errors an operator of a revolver can make.

    Barring the relatively rare mechanical failure, the worst that’s likely to happen to a revolver is a stovepiped case under the extractor star. That’s bad: it’s hard to fix quickly, triply so in a dark hallway in the dead of night. But that only occurs after you’ve fired all six chambers, and it’s a rare civilian shooting encounter that involves six shots being fired.

    (Having said that: if you anticipate being in a gunfight that will require that you fire more than six shots, then sure, get a Glock. And a shotgun.)

    In contrast, a semi-automatic in the hands of a stressed-out novice might well fail because the safety is still on. It may not have a round chambered. It might not be cocked. The magazine might be incompletely inserted. The magazine might be dumped accidentally by a nervous user. It may stovepipe after the first shot (though I wonder if stressed shooters perhaps have a tighter grip and so maybe don’t limp-wrist it as often, resulting in more reliable cycling). It may misfeed after the first shot. There are just more things to go wrong: that higher capacity and far cooler action comes with a burden of extra responsibility.

    I’ve put thousands of rounds through my S&W 686 (my favorite revolver, period) without malfunction, and with no servicing beyond cleaning and oiling. In the real world, most people aren’t going to do a lot of shooting. For those people, the first shot they take with a revolver will be the most reliable trigger-pull they’ll have; the next five will be only slightly less so. After that, if it comes to that, yes, they probably should have a semi-automatic.

     

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  2. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    @henryracette Thank you, Very interesting,

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  3. tigerlily Member
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    @tigerlily

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Very good long interview of the homeowner. He’s not apologetic. He characterized it as “terror”.

     

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/st-louis-homeowner-speaks-confronting-blm-militants-firearm-thing-stopped-mob-rifle-video/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

     

     

    He’s right.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

     

     

     

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  5. Full Size Tabby Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is her Twitter bio.

    Author, Mary Todd Lincoln; former Editor WaPo Live, Editor Politico Events, Senior Writer Politico, national staff Wash Post, cyclist, hiker, rower

     

     

     

     

    And please tell me that the publisher has withdrawn the book on Mary Todd Lincoln because the author is so clearly fact-challenged (confusing automatic and semi-automatic weapons). Suggests that “facts” in the biography are likely wrong. 

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  6. Chet Ross Member
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    @ChetRoss

    Blondie (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Whatever the law says, they will be victims of cancel culture just the same.

    I don’t think it took long for them to get doxxed on Twitter.

    If you are going to do this sort of thing, do look a little more comfortable holding your firearm.

    Maybe it worked out better for him to appear a bit on the edgy side instead of cool calm and collective — he is more unpredictable.

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  7. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

     

    Off topic, but I would like to hear the woman who took down the protesters at the Teddy Roosevelt statue in NYC and the man at the Lincoln statue in DC.

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  8. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    One lesson to take from this is as soon as you think trouble might be starting, get your phone out and start recording so that the bad guys aren’t the only ones with video. If this couple had video of the mob kicking in the iron gate and storming through, or the members of the mob they claim were armed, life would unfold a lot easier for them.

    What’s going on here, at both micro and macro levels, is a war of perception as well as an increasingly physical war.

    You don’t think there house does not have cameras everywhere? Or this neighborhood? See any pics? Having video and getting it out there are two different things.

    I just wouldn’t count on there being security cameras everywhere, or that they are pointed in the direction that matters when the fun starts. I don’t have any security cameras. Plus, if you don’t own the cameras, you don’t own the video. I agree getting it out is a different thing, but you can’t get it out if you don’t have it or aren’t authorized to release it.

    Why would you not have cameras at your house nowadays.  I have 10 at the moment and will add more.  The world is too dangerous not to be watchful.  

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  9. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    tigerlily (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Very good long interview of the homeowner. He’s not apologetic. He characterized it as “terror”.

     

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/st-louis-homeowner-speaks-confronting-blm-militants-firearm-thing-stopped-mob-rifle-video/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

     

     

    He’s right.

    Nope, he is white so he is wrong.  He might get off being a rich connected liberal but it is doubtful.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/st-louis-circuit-attorney-threatens-take-action-couple-protected-home-protest-mob-private-street/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

     

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  10. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Regarding self-defense and self-defense for beginners I thought this was pretty interesting.

     

     

    This is the eternal question, isn’t it? Revolver or semi-automatic?

    I used to teach defensive shooting classes, a long time ago, and I’ve always recommended revolvers for most people. Yes, revolvers can break down just as semi-autos can break down, but I’m convinced that most people who buy a gun for home defense will stop shooting soon after getting it, and will leave it sitting on a shelf or in a safe until the day they need it. Given the fact that they’ll fire it rarely and hardly strain the weapon, failures are far more likely to be the result of operator error than mechanical issues. And there just aren’t many errors an operator of a revolver can make.

    Barring the relatively rare mechanical failure, the worst that’s likely to happen to a revolver is a stovepiped case under the extractor star. That’s bad: it’s hard to fix quickly, triply so in a dark hallway in the dead of night. But that only occurs after you’ve fired all six chambers, and it’s a rare civilian shooting encounter that involves six shots being fired.

    (Having said that: if you anticipate being in a gunfight that will require that you fire more than six shots, then sure, get a Glock. And a shotgun.)

    In contrast, a semi-automatic in the hands of a stressed-out novice might well fail because the safety is still on. It may not have a round chambered. It might not be cocked. The magazine might be incompletely inserted. The magazine might be dumped accidentally by a nervous user. It may stovepipe after the first shot (though I wonder if stressed shooters perhaps have a tighter grip and so maybe don’t limp-wrist it as often, resulting in more reliable cycling). It may misfeed after the first shot. There are just more things to go wrong: that higher capacity and far cooler action comes with a burden of extra responsibility.

    I’ve put thousands of rounds through my S&W 686 (my favorite revolver, period) without malfunction, and with no servicing beyond cleaning and oiling. In the real world, most people aren’t going to do a lot of shooting. For those people, the first shot they take with a revolver will be the most reliable trigger-pull they’ll have; the next five will be only slightly less so. After that, if it comes to that, yes, they probably should have a semi-automatic.

     

    Both?

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  11. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Regarding self-defense and self-defense for beginners I thought this was pretty interesting.

     

     

    This is the eternal question, isn’t it? Revolver or semi-automatic?

    I used to teach defensive shooting classes, a long time ago, and I’ve always recommended revolvers for most people. Yes, revolvers can break down just as semi-autos can break down, but I’m convinced that most people who buy a gun for home defense will stop shooting soon after getting it, and will leave it sitting on a shelf or in a safe until the day they need it. Given the fact that they’ll fire it rarely and hardly strain the weapon, failures are far more likely to be the result of operator error than mechanical issues. And there just aren’t many errors an operator of a revolver can make.

    Barring the relatively rare mechanical failure, the worst that’s likely to happen to a revolver is a stovepiped case under the extractor star. That’s bad: it’s hard to fix quickly, triply so in a dark hallway in the dead of night. But that only occurs after you’ve fired all six chambers, and it’s a rare civilian shooting encounter that involves six shots being fired.

    (Having said that: if you anticipate being in a gunfight that will require that you fire more than six shots, then sure, get a Glock. And a shotgun.)

    In contrast, a semi-automatic in the hands of a stressed-out novice might well fail because the safety is still on. It may not have a round chambered. It might not be cocked. The magazine might be incompletely inserted. The magazine might be dumped accidentally by a nervous user. It may stovepipe after the first shot (though I wonder if stressed shooters perhaps have a tighter grip and so maybe don’t limp-wrist it as often, resulting in more reliable cycling). It may misfeed after the first shot. There are just more things to go wrong: that higher capacity and far cooler action comes with a burden of extra responsibility.

    I’ve put thousands of rounds through my S&W 686 (my favorite revolver, period) without malfunction, and with no servicing beyond cleaning and oiling. In the real world, most people aren’t going to do a lot of shooting. For those people, the first shot they take with a revolver will be the most reliable trigger-pull they’ll have; the next five will be only slightly less so. After that, if it comes to that, yes, they probably should have a semi-automatic.

     

    Both?

    Well, yes. And preferably several of each.

    But, again, for the unpracticed citizen seeking a practical means of home defense, I choose the revolver. Or the shotgun. I like shotguns a lot.

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  12. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Given the likely cost of that house, they could afford to be much better armed. Clearly, the husband needs some spare magazines and a sidearm. The wife also clearly needs an AR or a carbine.

    Although they could probably afford a pair of transferable Uzis, an alternative suggestion would be for each to have a PX4 and a CX4.This would allow for magazine interchangeability. Save the ARs for when you have to go full roof Korean.

    Then we have the body armor issue.

    – C. T. Law, Urban Paramilitary Accouterments Consultant 

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  13. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Well this is quite a letter.

     

     

     

    Now that she’s done talking about the First Amendment she might want to scroll down the next one. 

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  14. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Zerohedge has a very good summary / update including this. lol: 

    One of those calling for doxing the McCloskeys, ‘anti-racism executive coach‘ Kyle Dennis, restricted his Twitter account after he himself was doxed.  

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gun-toting-st-louis-lawyers-defend-mansion-blm-protesters-viral-video 

     

     

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  15. Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) Member
    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing)
    @Sisyphus

    Tucker Carlson featured the incident in his show last night.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/wtPXZFCRVID1/

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):

    Tucker Carlson featured the incident in his show last night.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/wtPXZFCRVID1/

    Senator Braun does not understand Georgia use of force laws. He didn’t even bother to look at them. That cop did nothing wrong. It just disgusts me when politicians and lawyers lie about the justice system.

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  17. Kozak Member
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    tigerlily (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Very good long interview of the homeowner. He’s not apologetic. He characterized it as “terror”.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/st-louis-homeowner-speaks-confronting-blm-militants-firearm-thing-stopped-mob-rifle-video/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

    He’s right.

    The “peaceful protestors” smashed a metal gate to gain access to the property.

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  18. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    author is so clearly fact-challenged (confusing automatic and semi-automatic weapons).

    This is intentional by the Left.  They just repeat the lie over and over.  The uninformed are convinced with the endless repetition.  Just like the “Assault Rifle” BS.

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  19. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Tucker said there were approximately 500 “protesters.” 500(???) threatening mayhem and death.

    The McCloskeys were not only under-trained, they were seriously under-armed!! A lesson to all of us — Buy More Guns and Ammo (BMGAA) and get out to the range. 

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  20. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Jonathan Turley.  It sounds like the prosecutor would have a tough go, because the Castle doctrine is so strong there.

    That raises two questions.  Is the law triggered by entry on the property as opposed to entry without the home?  Also, does the law implicitly support the show of force to deter entry.

     

    https://jonathanturley.org/2020/06/30/yes-the-st-louis-couple-could-be-criminally-charged-but-it-would-be-no-slam-dunk-prosecution/

     

     

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  21. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Jonathan Turley. It sounds like the prosecutor would have a tough go, because the Castle doctrine is so strong there.

    That raises two questions. Is the law triggered by entry on the property as opposed to entry without the home? Also, does the law implicitly support the show of force to deter entry.

     

    https://jonathanturley.org/2020/06/30/yes-the-st-louis-couple-could-be-criminally-charged-but-it-would-be-no-slam-dunk-prosecution/

     

     

    I suspect people will be destroyed as we figure this one out.

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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  23. ctlaw Coolidge
    ctlaw
    @ctlaw

    Attorney Andrew Branca will be doing a facebook live discussion today of this at noon

    https://www.facebook.com/LawofSelfDefense/

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  24. ctlaw Coolidge
    ctlaw
    @ctlaw

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Attorney Andrew Branca will be doing a facebook live discussion today of this at noon

    https://www.facebook.com/LawofSelfDefense/

    Noon MDT; 2pm EDT

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  25. Barry Jones Thatcher
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    @BarryJones

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Attorney Andrew Branca will be doing a facebook live discussion today of this at noon

    https://www.facebook.com/LawofSelfDefense/

    Noon MDT; 2pm EDT

    I highly recommend Andrew Branca’s Law of Self Defense website. He makes you think about it before hand. Lots of good material on his website and in his books/videos – he is an attorney that specialized in Use of Force law only, very well informed and easy to listen to…

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