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This is very interesting. This is either a gated community or an estate. Is the wife going to get in trouble for brandishing a weapon? I don’t know the law. What would you do?

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  1. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    All of those prominent Never Trump guys associate with him. 

     

    https://twitter.com/jerry_jtaylor/status/1277459044618383361?s=20 

     

     

    • #61
    • June 29, 2020, at 9:32 AM PDT
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  2. Sisyphus Coolidge
    SisyphusJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    You can see a photo of the destroyed gate here. The cops put barriers around some of the homes as I suppose this was predicted. They destroyed the barriers.

     

    https://www.kmov.com/news/we-were-in-fear-of-our-lives-central-west-end-couple-seen-pointing-guns-at/article_afbb1b2c-b98e-11ea-ba7e-b3452007bfc8.html

     

     

    Broken link.

    It works for me.

    And now it works for me. I love the Internet.

    • #62
    • June 29, 2020, at 9:34 AM PDT
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  3. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    One lesson to take from this is as soon as you think trouble might be starting, get your phone out and start recording so that the bad guys aren’t the only ones with video. If this couple had video of the mob kicking in the iron gate and storming through, or the members of the mob they claim were armed, life would unfold a lot easier for them.

    What’s going on here, at both micro and macro levels, is a war of perception as well as an increasingly physical war.

    You don’t think there house does not have cameras everywhere? Or this neighborhood? See any pics? Having video and getting it out there are two different things.

    • #63
    • June 29, 2020, at 9:35 AM PDT
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  4. Stina Member

    Locke On (View Comment):

    Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake:

    The “battle is in the ‘burbs” for votes between the reds and blues. How do the ‘burbs stay or turn red? That’s puzzled and frustrated those on the conservative side for years. Now the leftists and race hustlers are answering the question for them.

    Right. So it makes no kind of sense for the reds to start whining about how they didn’t follow the exact jot and tittle of the law in exercising a natural right to protect their home.

    • #64
    • June 29, 2020, at 9:39 AM PDT
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  5. Full Size Tabby Member

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    You can see a photo of the destroyed gate here. The cops put barriers around some of the homes as I suppose this was predicted. They destroyed the barriers.

     

     

    I understand the protestors were on their way to the mayor’s house (I guess the mayor lives in the neighborhood?) after the mayor had publicized the names of people who supported defunding the police. It seems entirely reasonable to assume that such a mob did not have peaceful intent.

    • #65
    • June 29, 2020, at 9:40 AM PDT
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  6. Stina Member

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Locke On (View Comment):

    Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake:

    The “battle is in the ‘burbs” for votes between the reds and blues. How do the ‘burbs stay or turn red? That’s puzzled and frustrated those on the conservative side for years. Now the leftists and race hustlers are answering the question for them.

    I keep hearing about the mistakes the Left is making as I watch all the losing the Right always done.

    Yeah… and some of us are doing it in this very thread!

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:41 AM PDT
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  7. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    after the mayor had publicized the names of people who supported defunding the police.

    This was regular order / normal procedure by the way, not some new doxxing policy to get BLM.

    • #67
    • June 29, 2020, at 9:42 AM PDT
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  8. J Climacus Member

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    One lesson to take from this is as soon as you think trouble might be starting, get your phone out and start recording so that the bad guys aren’t the only ones with video. If this couple had video of the mob kicking in the iron gate and storming through, or the members of the mob they claim were armed, life would unfold a lot easier for them.

    What’s going on here, at both micro and macro levels, is a war of perception as well as an increasingly physical war.

    You don’t think there house does not have cameras everywhere? Or this neighborhood? See any pics? Having video and getting it out there are two different things.

    I just wouldn’t count on there being security cameras everywhere, or that they are pointed in the direction that matters when the fun starts. I don’t have any security cameras. Plus, if you don’t own the cameras, you don’t own the video. I agree getting it out is a different thing, but you can’t get it out if you don’t have it or aren’t authorized to release it.

    • #68
    • June 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM PDT
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  9. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    You guys are all smarter than me, so have at it. lol Dana Loesch was saying they were actually known for taking on civil rights cases with the police.

     

     

     

     

     

    • #69
    • June 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM PDT
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  10. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    This is her Twitter bio.

    Author, Mary Todd Lincoln; former Editor WaPo Live, Editor Politico Events, Senior Writer Politico, national staff Wash Post, cyclist, hiker, rower 

     

     

     

     

    • #70
    • June 29, 2020, at 11:47 AM PDT
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  11. Bishop Wash Member

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

    Which mayor had a rainbow flag and BLM sign on her porch and still got a brick through the window?

    • #71
    • June 29, 2020, at 1:21 PM PDT
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  12. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    Very good long interview of the homeowner. He’s not apologetic. He characterized it as “terror”.

     

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/st-louis-homeowner-speaks-confronting-blm-militants-firearm-thing-stopped-mob-rifle-video/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons 

     

     

    • #72
    • June 29, 2020, at 1:58 PM PDT
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  13. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    Well this is quite a letter. 

     

     

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 2:02 PM PDT
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  14. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

     

     

     

    • #74
    • June 29, 2020, at 2:03 PM PDT
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  15. Dave of Barsham Member

    It showed up on Twitchy about an hour ago that the Police in St Louis are considering the incident ‘fourth-degree assault by intimidation’ …by the protesters. The circuit attorney may have her head up her rear on this one, but it looks like the police don’t.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 2:22 PM PDT
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  16. Kozak Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    I’m not sure that’s what I’d have done, but they were certainly within their rights to protect their property. There’s enough burning and looting on the news and social media to make anyone worried when a bunch of people come in to your neighborhood with signs, chanting, etc.

    The entire point of the mob, the chanting, the signs is to intimidate. To scare you.

    Well, if you scare people they may respond with violence.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 2:30 PM PDT
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  17. Kozak Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    All of those prominent Never Trump guys associate with him.

     

    https://twitter.com/jerry_jtaylor/status/1277459044618383361?s=20

     

     

    He’s 404 ed.

     

    • #77
    • June 29, 2020, at 2:35 PM PDT
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  18. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    Kozak (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    All of those prominent Never Trump guys associate with him.

     

    https://twitter.com/jerry_jtaylor/status/1277459044618383361?s=20

     

     

    He’s 404 ed.

     

    He deleted it after almost 100 retweets. He’s a grifter off of Pierre Omidayar, like all of those never Trump guys.

    This is what Jerry Taylor said:

    Yeah, excuse me if I root for #antifa to punch these idiots out. Guilty as charged. I know who’s side I’m on.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM PDT
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  19. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    I’m not sure that’s what I’d have done, but they were certainly within their rights to protect their property. There’s enough burning and looting on the news and social media to make anyone worried when a bunch of people come in to your neighborhood with signs, chanting, etc.

    The entire point of the mob, the chanting, the signs is to intimidate. To scare you.

    Well, if you scare people they may respond with violence.

     

     

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 2:41 PM PDT
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  20. Spin Inactive
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    Barry Jones (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):
    I bet he was in the military, and when it became vogue, he got himself an AR that resembled what he’d used when he was young. Because a guy with that sort of money doesn’t get manky unless he wants manky. I could be wrong, of course…

    Slight possibility.

    He graduated college in 1982 at age 25+/-.

    He went straight from college to law school and has been in private practice personal injury work since 1 year after law school.

    Could he have done a 2-year stint pre-college?

    Maybe he was in the national guard. It’s troubling that we know so much about this guy. We shouldn’t. But that’s the age in which we live!

    Meh on the M-16 style indicating prior service. Maybe. But a just as likely reason for the M-16 style is that it is a recent purchase and because supply is low on long guns in many areas of the country, he bought what was available at the time. Maybe, maybe not.

    Possible, though I don’t see a lot of steel mags out there. I also don’t see a ton of ARs out there with those old school butt stocks. The only people I know who want them are the nostalgic. Again, hard saying either way.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 2:57 PM PDT
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  21. JosePluma Thatcher

    As I and several other people have pointed out, the woman had no business carrying a handgun. She is obviously untrained.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 3:29 PM PDT
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  22. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

     

     

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 3:37 PM PDT
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  23. Stina Member

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    As I and several other people have pointed out, the woman had no business carrying a handgun. She is obviously untrained.

    I wonder if it was loaded. It looks about the right size to fit in her purse for those “just in case” scenarios in parking lots late at night. Maybe she bought it to scare rather than use.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 3:38 PM PDT
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  24. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    As I and several other people have pointed out, the woman had no business carrying a handgun. She is obviously untrained.

    When confronted by a threatening mob trespassing on her property, she had every business, regardless of training. She should have received training, but having a gun might very well have been a new thing for her.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 3:40 PM PDT
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  25. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White MaleJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Stina (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    As I and several other people have pointed out, the woman had no business carrying a handgun. She is obviously untrained.

    I wonder if it was loaded. It looks about the right size to fit in her purse for those “just in case” scenarios in parking lots late at night. Maybe she bought it to scare rather than use.

    There’s no such thing as an unloaded weapon.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM PDT
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  26. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    Regarding self-defense and self-defense for beginners I thought this was pretty interesting.

     

     

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 4:15 PM PDT
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  27. Henry Racette Contributor

    As Jose noted above, the lady needs to get her finger off the trigger until she’s ready to shoot. And since she’s pointing in one direction and looking in another, I’m going to guess she’s not really on her target.

    Given that we’ve just seen a record number of gun sales, many of them in areas that are far more blue than red, I think we have to assume that we have a moiety of gun owners out there who are in need of competent instruction. I’m all in favor of leftists owning guns. I think it might help them grow up. But selling them guns without providing instruction is kind of like passing out circle saws to gradeschool kids: someone’s likely to get hurt.

    Still, nice to see people standing up for themselves.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 4:51 PM PDT
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  28. Gwen Novak Member
    Gwen NovakJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Given the likely cost of that house, they could afford to be much better armed. Clearly, the husband needs some spare magazines and a sidearm. The wife also clearly needs an AR or a carbine.

    Although they could probably afford a pair of transferable Uzis, an alternative suggestion would be for each to have a PX4 and a CX4.This would allow for magazine interchangeability. Save the ARs for when you have to go full roof Korean.

    Then we have the body armor issue.

    I thought people with this kind of money hired armed security rather than messing about with guns themselves. Then they don’t have to worry about the legal danger of using a weapon improperly, or getting hurt mixing it up with a mob, or having their faces posted on social media. Something seems off with this whole thing.

    Really, especially being lawyers, they had to know that there were so many ways this could turn out badly for them. Much better to hire a few big, intimidating guys who say nothing and just glare at the protesters.

    I believe that area has private security. It used to at any rate 

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    • June 29, 2020, at 5:03 PM PDT
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  29. Percival Thatcher
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Barry Jones (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):
    I bet he was in the military, and when it became vogue, he got himself an AR that resembled what he’d used when he was young. Because a guy with that sort of money doesn’t get manky unless he wants manky. I could be wrong, of course…

    Slight possibility.

    He graduated college in 1982 at age 25+/-.

    He went straight from college to law school and has been in private practice personal injury work since 1 year after law school.

    Could he have done a 2-year stint pre-college?

    Maybe he was in the national guard. It’s troubling that we know so much about this guy. We shouldn’t. But that’s the age in which we live!

    Meh on the M-16 style indicating prior service. Maybe. But a just as likely reason for the M-16 style is that it is a recent purchase and because supply is low on long guns in many areas of the country, he bought what was available at the time. Maybe, maybe not.

    Possible, though I don’t see a lot of steel mags out there. I also don’t see a ton of ARs out there with those old school butt stocks. The only people I know who want them are the nostalgic. Again, hard saying either way.

    He could have borrowed it from his crazy MAGA hat-wearing cousin. The cousin kept the one with the picatinny rail mounted laser sight and the collapsible stock.

    Because I would.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM PDT
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  30. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    All of those prominent Never Trump guys associate with him.

     

    https://twitter.com/jerry_jtaylor/status/1277459044618383361?s=20

     

     

    He’s 404 ed.

     

    He deleted it after almost 100 retweets. He’s a grifter off of Pierre Omidayar, like all of those never Trump guys.

    This is what Jerry Taylor said:

    Yeah, excuse me if I root for #antifa to punch these idiots out. Guilty as charged. I know who’s side I’m on.

    Tucker Carlson just mentioned this tweet on his show. Of course nobody is going to ask Bill or Mona what the deal is.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 5:12 PM PDT
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