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Discuss: Brandishing a Gun in a Gated Community
This is very interesting. This is either a gated community or an estate. Is the wife going to get in trouble for brandishing a weapon? I don’t know the law. What would you do?
Further context shows that the protesters were trespassing on a private street when the St. Louis couple pulled out their guns to defend their home
pic.twitter.com/RDRaGOydGW— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) June 29, 2020
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It will be interesting to see if BLM management will circle back and destroy these people.
I foresee an attempt to have them prosecuted, but in the long run it will fail. To do so would put politicians at risk of losing if they tell residents they’re not allowed to protect their property.
Update: I read the couple are both lawyers. The odds of a successful prosecution just dropped even more . . .
You know they will. Violence is their method, and striking fear is also a weapon . . .
Dude owns his own (obviously) successful law firm. He’s not gonna cancel himself.
They might have only recently bought the guns…..a lot of that going around.
Sure. It’s a right, not a privilege. But with great power comes great responsibility.
And they did the responsible thing by showing their weapons instead of shooting into the crowd for no reason. Luckily no one in the crowd was dumb enough to challenge them . . .
I don’t think so. That dude’s got an old M16-style rifle with iron sights, a non-collapsible stock and what appears to me to be a steel box magazine. I bet he was in the military, and when it became vogue, he got himself an AR that resembled what he’d used when he was young. Because a guy with that sort of money doesn’t get manky unless he wants manky. I could be wrong, of course…
My point is we only have a few moments in time. We don’t know what happened before, or after. We don’t know how far on to the property they protesters went. We don’t know what was said. We, meaning you and I, who weren’t there and now only have what we see on the Internet.
This part is easy. The protesters broke in to their property.
I should have waited for this. The rioters were nice enough to stay the community sidewalk that they aren’t supposed to use:
Slight possibility.
He graduated college in 1982 at age 25+/-.
He went straight from college to law school and has been in private practice personal injury work since 1 year after law school.
Could he have done a 2-year stint pre-college?
Hiring taxpayer paid armed private security is a right now reserved for Minneapolis city council members.
Camouflage.
Maybe he was in the national guard. It’s troubling that we know so much about this guy. We shouldn’t. But that’s the age in which we live!
This is the chairman of the Libertarian Party. I’m pretty sure he’s a lawyer. I do not like him, for the record.
The ‘Libertarian’ Party ceased being libertarian several years ago. After they came out against religious liberty during the 2016 election, I’ve expected nothing helpful from them.
Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake:
The “battle is in the ‘burbs” for votes between the reds and blues. How do the ‘burbs stay or turn red? That’s puzzled and frustrated those on the conservative side for years. Now the leftists and race hustlers are answering the question for them.
He does not discuss apparent defenses. MO appears to have expansive castle doctrine with no duty to retreat on one’s own property. https://codes.findlaw.com/mo/title-xxxviii-crimes-and-punishment-peace-officers-and-public-defenders/mo-rev-st-563-031.html
Except for the pointing of the guns, it would not remotely be a question of having a defense. There likely is another statue in play for the pointing. Becomes a question of reasonableness/proportionality. Mere exhibiting in a threatening manner is clearly reasonable/proportional. Pointing would be foolish unless there was some evidence of either armed protestors or they were advancing.
Regarding the house, please see my reply on Bethany’s post. I don’t know how to link to it.
Article here.
This is the head of the Niskanen Center that Bill Kristol et. al. flock to. Pierre Omidyar gives those guys and The Bulwark, The Lincoln Project etc. tons of money.
I keep hearing about the mistakes the Left is making as I watch all the losing the Right always done.
Meh on the M-16 style indicating prior service. Maybe. But a just as likely reason for the M-16 style is that it is a recent purchase and because supply is low on long guns in many areas of the country, he bought what was available at the time. Maybe, maybe not.
One lesson to take from this is as soon as you think trouble might be starting, get your phone out and start recording so that the bad guys aren’t the only ones with video. If this couple had video of the mob kicking in the iron gate and storming through, or the members of the mob they claim were armed, life would unfold a lot easier for them.
What’s going on here, at both micro and macro levels, is a war of perception as well as an increasingly physical war.
Their attorneys and the police likely have the security system video.
They were noisy too.
You can see a photo of the destroyed gate here. The cops put barriers around some of the homes as I suppose this was predicted. They destroyed the barriers.
https://www.kmov.com/news/we-were-in-fear-of-our-lives-central-west-end-couple-seen-pointing-guns-at/article_afbb1b2c-b98e-11ea-ba7e-b3452007bfc8.html
Broken link.
A mob invading private property is not “peaceful.” And as others noted, given the history of this category of protestors, it is entirely reasonable to assume that the mob does not have peaceful intent. The Daily Mirror headline writer is an idiot.
This guy is an ex cop and I would assume he’s pretty knowledgeable.
It works for me.