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This is very interesting. This is either a gated community or an estate. Is the wife going to get in trouble for brandishing a weapon? I don’t know the law. What would you do?

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    It looks like he pointed his gun as well.

     

     

     

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  2. JosePluma Thatcher
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    It looks like he pointed his gun as well.

    You can’t really say unless you can see where the threat is. He’s looking in one direction and the muzzle is pointed in another.

    She needs some trigger discipline, among other things.

    But I notice that no one broke any windows, lit any fires or looted their house.

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    Conservative Treehouse is pretty sophisticated on this type of thing. 

    Once the mob broke through the gate, they were effectively in the justifiable kill zone.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    I love this.

     

     

     

     

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  5. Sisyphus Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I love this.

     

     

     

     

    They just outperformed the entire Seattle government.

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  6. Kozak Member
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    JosePluma (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    It looks like he pointed his gun as well.

    You can’t really say unless you can see where the threat is. He’s looking in one direction and the muzzle is pointed in another.

    She needs some trigger discipline, among other things.

    But I notice that no one broke any windows, lit any fires or looted their house.

    They went through a gate into a gated community. Those sidewalks and roads are private property, and the protesters have no right to be there. The owners have every right to defend their property while waiting for the police to remove the trespassers. ( Of course if it’s a Blue community the wait might not be over until their property is burned to the ground, if then).

    Step on my property and you will be rebuffed with prejudice.

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  7. J Climacus Member
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    Whatever the law says, they will be victims of cancel culture just the same.

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  8. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Given the likely cost of that house, they could afford to be much better armed. Clearly, the husband needs some spare magazines and a sidearm. The wife also clearly needs an AR or a carbine.

    Although they could probably afford a pair of transferable Uzis, an alternative suggestion would be for each to have a PX4 and a CX4.This would allow for magazine interchangeability. Save the ARs for when you have to go full roof Korean.

    Then we have the body armor issue.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Not one mention that they were violating private property. 

    A white couple pointed guns at protesters in St. Louis as a group marched toward the mayor’s home to demand her resignation after she read the names and addresses of several residents who supported defunding the police department during an online briefing.

     

     

     

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  10. Blondie Thatcher
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    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Whatever the law says, they will be victims of cancel culture just the same.

    I don’t think it took long for them to get doxxed on Twitter. 

    If you are going to do this sort of thing, do look a little more comfortable holding your firearm. 

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  11. J Climacus Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Given the likely cost of that house, they could afford to be much better armed. Clearly, the husband needs some spare magazines and a sidearm. The wife also clearly needs an AR or a carbine.

    Although they could probably afford a pair of transferable Uzis, an alternative suggestion would be for each to have a PX4 and a CX4.This would allow for magazine interchangeability. Save the ARs for when you have to go full roof Korean.

    Then we have the body armor issue.

    I thought people with this kind of money hired armed security rather than messing about with guns themselves. Then they don’t have to worry about the legal danger of using a weapon improperly, or getting hurt mixing it up with a mob, or having their faces posted on social media. Something seems off with this whole thing.

    Really, especially being lawyers, they had to know that there were so many ways this could turn out badly for them. Much better to hire a few big, intimidating guys who say nothing and just glare at the protesters.

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  12. Stina Inactive
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    Good for them.

    They and people like them shouldn’t care how the media treats them.

    They should be role models for us that like civilization.

    Minus the part where the wife looks really lame with a purse pistol. She held it like she was holding a cup of coffee at the kitchen counter.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    Trump just retweeted the ABC News quote as is. lol

    ***EDIT***

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  14. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    No way to know the legality under Missouri law but since they are on their own property it would tough to convict them of anything, including brandishing (if Missouri law is anything remotely close to Texas law).

    But in general neither looks very competent with their weapons. He needs a sling; standing there with a single point sling, muzzle down, would accomplish the same thing without giving anyone the excuse to say he was pointing it at them. Or he could have held it with the butt against his hip and muzzle high. She sweeps everyone in the area with her muzzle at some point. She’d be kicked off of every gun range in the US for handling a weapon like that. Despite all that, they are still Americans acting within their rights to defend themselves. I just hate having to defend people who are so incompetent. 

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  15. Sisyphus Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Not one mention that they were violating private property.

    A white couple pointed guns at protesters in St. Louis as a group marched toward the mayor’s home to demand her resignation after she read the names and addresses of several residents who supported defunding the police department during an online briefing.

     

     

     

    Why would they suddenly start emitting journalism? Who there remembers journalism?

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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  17. ctlaw Coolidge
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    J Climacus (View Comment):
    I thought people with this kind of money hired armed security rather than messing about with guns themselves. Then they don’t have to worry about the legal danger of using a weapon improperly, or getting hurt mixing it up with a mob, or having their faces posted on social media. Something seems off with this whole thing.

     Probably one or two rent a cops at the gates who were told to stand down. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the next homeowners association meeting.

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):
    No way to know the legality under Missouri law but since they are on their own property it would tough to convict them of anything, including brandishing (if Missouri law is anything remotely close to Texas law).

    The reason I posted this was I couldn’t see any discussion about Missouri gun laws on Twitter for some reason. The video was posted and then nine hours later, the articles came up.

    I posted an article above from conservative treehouse that covers it. You can brandish like crazy in Missouri if someone pierces your property. I’m sure not every state is like that. 

     

     

     

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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  20. Stad Coolidge
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    I fully support the couple and what they did. No, they weren’t perfect, but their home isn’t burned down, is it?

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  21. Spin Inactive
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    I’m not sure that’s what I’d have done, but they were certainly within their rights to protect their property. There’s enough burning and looting on the news and social media to make anyone worried when a bunch of people come in to your neighborhood with signs, chanting, etc.

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  22. J Climacus Member
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    No way to know the legality under Missouri law but since they are on their own property it would tough to convict them of anything, including brandishing (if Missouri law is anything remotely close to Texas law).

    But in general neither looks very competent with their weapons. He needs a sling; standing there with a single point sling, muzzle down, would accomplish the same thing without giving anyone the excuse to say he was pointing it at them. Or he could have held it with the butt against his hip and muzzle high. She sweeps everyone in the area with her muzzle at some point. She’d be kicked off of every gun range in the US for handling a weapon like that. Despite all that, they are still Americans acting within their rights to defend themselves. I just hate having to defend people who are so incompetent.

    They do look like they are more likely to shoot each other than anyone else, don’t they?

    But I agree it is important to keep the focus on the important point: The guns would not have come out in the first place if their property hadn’t been invaded.

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  23. Sisyphus Member
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    The objective is not to make life safe for rioters.

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    When you click through to this article about these guys restoring the house, it looks like the rioters veered quite a bit into their property. I thought they were basically by the road. That is just disgusting. 

     

     

     

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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  26. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I love this.

     

     

     

     

    They just outperformed the entire Seattle government.

    Sadly I foresee jail time for them. Whites with guns are bad and racist and must be destroyed. On the other hand they do seem to have money and connects so maybe the law will help them for a change.

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  27. Spin Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    When you click through to this article about these guys restoring the house, it looks like the rioters veered quite a bit into their property. I thought they were basically by the road. That is just disgusting.

     

     

     

    A big part of the problem for us here is we don’t have any context at all from the videos. We get maybe 2 minutes of video, and no spatial orientation. So we’ll all play arm-chair jurist with information that may or may not be correct. All of us on Ricochet will come down on the side of the home owners, because we think the protesters are idiots and we believe in property rights. We may criticize the couple a bit, wondering if they have proper training, but we’ll support them nonetheless.

    The left will only see “rich white people in a giant home” and “peaceful protesters”.

    Both narratives will be served just fine.

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  28. iWe Coolidge
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    My family and I have developed and reviewed plans for how to deal with “protesters” trying to come down our street.

    The purpose of this exercise is to convince those who might do harm to find someplace else to be. Yes, that would involve direct confrontation; it is how one changes the incentives.

    I agree with the points that trigger discipline and holding the firearm properly are much more effective than looking scared and waving the firearm around.

    Knowledge of the law matters: carrying a rifle publicly is not illegal in my state, but carrying a handgun is except on your own propery. Which is just as well.

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  29. Sisyphus Member
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    From the Daily Mirror: Chilling moment white couple pull guns on peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters

    Thank you, George Washington et. al.

    Of course, how much different will the Post/Times coverage be?

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    Spin (View Comment):
    So we’ll all play arm-chair jurist with information that may or may not be correct.

    I don’t see what isn’t resolved given what we know about Missouri law, now.

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