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Is anyone else worried that the damage America suffered this year might be fatal? It’s been known for at least ten years that the early 2020s will, shall we say, be marked by political instability. Multiple crises are projected to explode simultaneously (or near enough): a demographic crisis, an “elite overproduction” crisis (our elite class is simply too big), and a fiscal crisis. In addition, many of us expect these crises will spark an additional ethnic crisis.

The populist conservative strategy to deal with all of this was to engineer a really good economy and try to split off part of the black working class from the progressive left (even a small number of black defectors would totally destroy the Democratic Party’s “demographic advantage”). Such a coalition would be powerful enough to finally stop the games that elites have been playing with immigration and trade policy, greatly lessening the risk of a civil war breaking out.

The idea that this strategy might fail is frankly frightening. If you think the BLM protests are bad, think again; things can get so much worse. We could easily see an ethnic death spiral, where poor whites come to believe elites want to ethnically cleanse them with trade and immigration policies, Hispanics think white people want to turn them into serfs to pay for Social Security and Medicare, white progressives finally realize that black people are culturally Southern, anti-Semitism returns in a really big way, and in general all hell breaks loose. And while all of this is happening the aforementioned crisis of elite overproduction sparks a massive wave of domestic terrorism as downwardly mobile elites lash out in the way elites have done throughout history: by organizing violence.

I just don’t know what to make of all of this. It’s a frightening situation.

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  1. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    I hope that “poor whites come to believe elites want to ethnically cleanse them with trade and immigration policies”. It is best they understand the truth. That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities and the destruction of whites. BLM are just some of their shock troops.
    until whites understand they are going to be ethnically removed and start to fight back they are doomed. Sadly the left has convinced them they deserve their own destruction and are stupidity assisting the minorities and its government in their destruction 

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    • June 28, 2020, at 9:49 PM PDT
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  2. Flicker Coolidge

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    I hope that “poor whites come to believe elites want to ethnically cleanse them with trade and immigration policies”. It is best they understand the truth. That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities and the destruction of whites. BLM are just some of their shock troops.
    until whites understand they are going to be ethnically removed and start to fight back they are doomed. Sadly the left has convinced them they deserve their own destruction and are stupidity assisting the minorities and its government in their destruction

    I think the elites are an equal opportunity ethnic cleanser. Bringing down whites will be a further drop than any other group, but they want everyone to be largely oppressed, and want to play each group of of each other in their misery, so that each group looks to the government, or their particular representation within it, to be their protector and benefactor.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 10:21 PM PDT
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  3. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    As an semi-impoverished white, here’s the deal:

    Immigrants are being imported through the border in California being so porous. Not only that, Gov Gavin Newsom’s first real response to COVID was to announce that the newly arrived will be getting $ 500 a month for the length of the COVID crisis.

    How does that sit with people who maybe were well off 5 months ago, but just lost their business due to COVID? Normal every day people in California got one $ 1200 a piece payment. Although there is on the books a decree that no landlords can evict anyone if they fall behind their rents during the crisis, the moment the crisis is over, a household is going to be responsible for past rents and the attendant late fees. (Some late fees are structured such that a person owes $ 125 per each day that the rent has been late!)

    Of course, California is pressed for housing, so if citizens lose their homes, there are plenty of newly arrived warm bodies to rent those places. (And don’t think that immigrants who arrived here a little more than a decade ago are not aware of how unfair this Democrat policy of “the newly arrived are the ones who should be helped” really is.)

    Additionally, there is such a tremendous problem regarding the overall finances of the society here at home, and abroad.

    Here is KW Miller, a politician and money guy from Florida offering up his two cents on the overall crisis. He is someone who supports Trump, realizing how important it was to have the economy running along in a successful manner. He speaks calmly but I suspect a bit of passion lies underneath his casual nuanced manner:

    Run time is 46 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAkf9hPiYCQ

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    • June 28, 2020, at 10:58 PM PDT
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  4. Joseph Eagar Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    I hope that “poor whites come to believe elites want to ethnically cleanse them with trade and immigration policies”. It is best they understand the truth. That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities and the destruction of whites. BLM are just some of their shock troops.
    until whites understand they are going to be ethnically removed and start to fight back they are doomed. Sadly the left has convinced them they deserve their own destruction and are stupidity assisting the minorities and its government in their destruction

    No, it’s run for the destruction of Southern cultural groups, which includes poor whites but also a bunch of poor blacks. The Democrats have spent years and years grinding black neighborhoods into the ground; shutting down their factories, bulldozing whole communities as part of “urban renewal”, performing dangerous social engineering experiments like deliberately encouraging family breakdown so as to experiment with a “matriarchy”, encouraging mass abortion, all while buying off the richest 10% of blacks with things like affirmative action.

    Democrats hate America’s native working peoples as a whole, and while they might not say that out loud, the havoc their policies have wreaked on working-class communities speaks for itself.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 3:32 AM PDT
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  5. Dr. Bastiat Member

    Worried? Me? Heck no.

    Although, funny you should ask – I bought 1,500 rounds of ammo yesterday. Really. So maybe I’m a little worried.

    But I’m less worried now!


    Seriously, though, this stuff scares me. This looks bad, in my view.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 6:28 AM PDT
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  6. David Foster Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities

    Not true…that’s just the branding. Democrats want the *image* of benefitting minorities, but have no serious interest in things like improved education and economic development.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 6:59 AM PDT
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  7. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    Well, I’m openly calling for mass enlistment/support for local militias in order to protect basic rights, and foresee a 1970s Northern Ireland situation as being within the optimistic range of realistic future scenarios, so yes, I think ‘America’ is over and I’m currently concerned with maintaining capacity for localized resistance so that something can be rebuilt from the ashes when the Leftist clusterfudge finally implodes enough for the two youngest generations to wise up-because make no mistake, the riots themselves are not the real problem, its the popular and elite reaction to them and their agenda that will doom this country.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 7:12 AM PDT
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  8. Samuel Block Support

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Worried? Me? Heck no.

    Although, funny you should ask – I bought 1,500 rounds of ammo yesterday. Really. So maybe I’m a little worried.

    But I’m less worried now!


    Seriously, though, this stuff scares me. This looks bad, in my view.

    It’s bad, but this is our game to lose. Our opposition – including the ones that we shouldn’t consider enemies – is downright insufferable. They bully in groups like middle school girls; and just like that demographic, they will tell you their insecurities while they project them elsewhere. 

    I don’t hit girls, but every once in a while they need to be knocked off their pedestal. They call other people racist because they are racist. I recommend we start getting used to making them regret slander. It’ll hurt their feelings, but they have it coming.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:08 AM PDT
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  9. Valiuth Member
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    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:40 AM PDT
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  10. Samuel Block Support

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

    Rigorous defenses of illegal immigration are always about which people are preferred. I agree, it’s not ethnic cleansing, but it is about replacing Americans who want a say in how we operate with the seemingly servile.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:48 AM PDT
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  11. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities

    Not true…that’s just the branding. Democrats want the *image* of benefitting minorities, but have no serious interest in things like improved education and economic development.

    Not branding, experience. I see no proof the government does anything for me or my interest. I have friends that work for it and below the political class it is ran by Democrats, for Democrats, Republicans / conservatives need not apply and will be marginalized or removed.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:07 AM PDT
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  12. TeamAmerica Member
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    I’m worried too, given the cowardly Republican response (the Heritage Foundation’s response was especially craven). But so far this insanity has been limited to urban areas that have been devastated for decades by the Dem. left, now compounded by the riots and looting. What is more worrying to me is that our gov. elites, including the FBI, are as woke as indoctrinated uni. grads, so if free speech is defined as hate speech, they’ll be ready to enforce that. Also, note that afaik, Facebook has banned discussion or criticism of immigration.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:07 AM PDT
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  13. HeavyWater Coolidge

    Would the magnitude of your concerns be reduced if Trump wins the GOP retains the US Senate in the 2020 elections this November?

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:46 AM PDT
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  14. Mark Camp Member

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

    I can address the somewhat related question, “How do the free movement across borders of capital (liberal trade) and labor (liberal immigration) affect the real incomes of those who are at a given time low-income (A) foreign laborers, and (B) domestic workers, respectively.

    Both freedoms push A up and B down in the short term, and both A and B up in the medium to long term.

    (What populists—the Trumpists and the Democrats—fail to recognize is that blocking that temporary change from 1800 on would mean that today’s lowest-producing domestic workers would be living like the holders of the same economic rank in 1800. Short lives of backbreaking labor and misery, instead of lives of luxury, ease, and good health unimaginable to those earlier workers.)

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    • June 29, 2020, at 10:29 AM PDT
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  15. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities

    Not true…that’s just the branding. Democrats want the *image* of benefitting minorities, but have no serious interest in things like improved education and economic development.

    I absolutely love the Dem’s trademark ideals. No wars ever, peace on the planet. Diversity that makes everyone feel great about everything. Tolerance for one and all. A pollution free planet.

    However they only say those things. For instance, with regards to pollution, Governors Ed Rendell and Jerry Brown allowed for huge amounts of fracking, but their leniency on pollution was somehow overlooked. So much fracking has occurred inside Calif that an entire region east of LA is now subsiding downwards into the crust of the earth. The Dems sure manage to avoid discussing that.

    It was most telling that the moment Trump was in the Oval Office, they began to insist that the USA was the worst society ever.

    Women began their marches, not even a month into his administration. Why? Because America was racist, fascist, and anti-woman.

    Let’s say for the sake of argument, America was all those things. But a thinking person would say, “Hmm… Just who was in office from 2008 to 2016?” After all, those serious national afflictions could not have sprung up and dominated our society in less than 72 hours from the moment of Trump’s inauguration!

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    • June 29, 2020, at 10:34 AM PDT
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  16. Samuel Block Support

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities

    Not true…that’s just the branding. Democrats want the *image* of benefitting minorities, but have no serious interest in things like improved education and economic development.

    Not branding, experience. I see no proof the government does anything for me or my interest. I have friends that work for it and below the political class it is ran by Democrats, for Democrats, Republicans / conservatives need not apply and will be marginalized or removed.

    They like keeping minorities on the margins too, poor ones anyway. We’re just the biggest demographic that doesn’t vote how they want. That’s there beef with us. But even a Maxine Waters or a Jesse Jackson have no incentive to actually help any of “their” people. 

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    • June 29, 2020, at 11:36 AM PDT
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  17. HeavyWater Coolidge

    Samuel Block (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities

    Not true…that’s just the branding. Democrats want the *image* of benefitting minorities, but have no serious interest in things like improved education and economic development.

    Not branding, experience. I see no proof the government does anything for me or my interest. I have friends that work for it and below the political class it is ran by Democrats, for Democrats, Republicans / conservatives need not apply and will be marginalized or removed.

    They like keeping minorities on the margins too, poor ones anyway. We’re just the biggest demographic that doesn’t vote how they want. That’s there beef with us. But even a Maxine Waters or a Jesse Jackson have no incentive to actually help any of “their” people.

    As I understand it, Trump is doing much better among African-Americans than previous Republican presidential nominees. So, the tide is turning.

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 12:02 PM PDT
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  18. Bethany Mandel Editor

    Yes.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 12:24 PM PDT
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  19. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    I hope that “poor whites come to believe elites want to ethnically cleanse them with trade and immigration policies”. It is best they understand the truth. That the government is a Democrat organization that is currently ran for the benefit of minorities and the destruction of whites. BLM are just some of their shock troops.
    until whites understand they are going to be ethnically removed and start to fight back they are doomed. Sadly the left has convinced them they deserve their own destruction and are stupidity assisting the minorities and its government in their destruction

    I think the elites are an equal opportunity ethnic cleanser. Bringing down whites will be a further drop than any other group, but they want everyone to be largely oppressed, and want to play each group of of each other in their misery, so that each group looks to the government, or their particular representation within it, to be their protector and benefactor.

    Hard to believe they are that suicidal. I have an interesting tape made in a southern school illustrating the problems of teaching black students. At one point the teachers asks his rowdy class of black kids what would happen if whites all disappeared. The very frank answer was “we be f**ked.”

    The white Marxists think they will run things. Only 17% of rioters are black.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 12:52 PM PDT
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  20. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

    Removing jobs in manufacturing or much else in laboring occupations.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 12:54 PM PDT
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  21. HeavyWater Coolidge

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

    Removing jobs in manufacturing or much else in laboring occupations.

    I support a points based immigration system. If someone has education in science, technology, engineering or medicine, let ’em in.

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 12:58 PM PDT
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  22. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Post of the Week

    That is exactly what my being out and about before COVID hit was showing me.

    Every time I went shopping anywhere in my community, the young African American men manning the tables to get signatures for Calif ballot proposition items would let me engage with them.

    They wanted nothing to do with the Democrats. They were able to say that Trump had helped with integrating society. After all, if someone doesn’t like this racial group or that one, but ends up having to work with some people from those groups, they start to see everyone shares a common humanity. The work experience breaks the prejudices down.

    I will never forgive the people whom I believe were behind a coordinated effort to cause looting, arson and murder and mayhem in the poorest neighborhoods across America.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 12:59 PM PDT
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  23. Headedwest Coolidge

    TeamAmerica (View Comment):

    I’m worried too, given the cowardly Republican response (the Heritage Foundation’s response was especially craven). But so far this insanity has been limited to urban areas that have been devastated for decades by the Dem. left, now compounded by the riots and looting.

    If Seattle is Marxist, the rest of Washington will be impacted. Same with Chicago/Illinois, Minneapolis/Minnesota, etc.

    But the real prize is getting control over the state legislature and governor. If they fall into Dem hands, you get what we saw in Virginia over the last year or so. All the hard core left laws are already drafted, and just need to be formally introduced.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:06 PM PDT
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  24. Joseph Eagar Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

    Frankly, it doesn’t matter whether or not it does Too many American elites both believe that they do and support those policies for that reason.  That’s just sheer poison. It’s very common for American elites to specifically contrast the virtuous behavior of immigrants with lazy native-born American workers, as if their own ancestors didn’t go through a dysfunctional phase during the process of socioeconomic development.

    If you look at the data, Americans never gave a second thought to conspiracy theories of demographic replacement until progressives started saying that this was their plan. It’s very rare for countries to survive this sort of elite behavior, which is why it’s so important we build a large enough working-class coalition to oppose it.

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:16 PM PDT
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  25. HeavyWater Coolidge

    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

    Frankly, it doesn’t matter whether or not it does. Too many American elites both believe that they do and support those policies for that reason. That’s just sheer poison. It’s very common for American elites to specifically contrast the virtuous behavior of immigrants with lazy native-born American workers, as if their own ancestors didn’t go through a dysfunctional phase during the process of socioeconomic development.

    If you look at the data, Americans never gave a second thought to conspiracy theories of demographic replacement until progressives started saying that this was their plan. It’s very rare for countries to survive this sort of elite behavior, which is why it’s so important we build a large enough working-class coalition to oppose it.

    Right now the United States has a population of 330 million. That’s compared to over 1 billion in China and India. So, I support more immigration to beef up our numbers. But the immigrants should be high skill, not low skill. We need people who will pay taxes, not be on welfare.

     

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:21 PM PDT
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  26. Hang On Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

    With oxycontin addiction. The Sackler family were big GOP establishment contributors.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:23 PM PDT
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  27. Hang On Member
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    There was some push back this weekend.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:26 PM PDT
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  28. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So how does trade or immigration ethnically cleanse “poor whites”?

    With oxycontin addiction. The Sackler family were big GOP establishment contributors.

    Yes, we need to replace poor whites with better anything but white. We get it.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:26 PM PDT
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  29. HeavyWater Coolidge

    Asians earn higher incomes than whites, on average.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:31 PM PDT
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  30. Retail Lawyer Member

    Some days I am worried, and some days not so much. That alone makes me worry. I don’t trust my thoughts on the subject too much – at least the thoughts regarding how this turns out. It is definitely not 1968, of that I’m sure.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:33 PM PDT
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