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  1. RightAngles Member

    It’s pretty weird that there are those who seem to be rooting for the virus.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 10:50 AM PDT
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  2. Full Size Tabby Member

    The rate of hospitalizations is beginning to concern me. But as someone whose mental health has declined significantly in the past three months due to the effects of the “precautions” against the Wuhan virus, I push back against the precaution enthusiasts because the precaution enthusiasts refuse to even acknowledge that the precautions have negative consequences. It’s as though no one matters other than the extremely small number of people who might suffer serious consequences from the virus out of the very small number of people who might contract the virus. I might pay more attention to the “precautions” demanded of me if those demanding them could at least explain the tradeoffs involved, and not just talk about the virus consequences. 

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    • June 28, 2020, at 10:54 AM PDT
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  3. Flicker Coolidge

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The rate of hospitalizations is beginning to concern me. But as someone whose mental health has declined significantly in the past three months due to the effects of the “precautions” against the Wuhan virus, I push back against the precaution enthusiasts because the precaution enthusiasts refuse to even acknowledge that the precautions have negative consequences. It’s as though no one matters other than the extremely small number of people who might suffer serious consequences from the virus out of the very small number of people who might contract the virus. I might pay more attention to the “precautions” demanded of me if those demanding them could at least explain the tradeoffs involved, and not just talk about the virus consequences.

    I have a family member with a newly diagnosed delusional condition. She moved into her own home almost the same day that the Lock-down started. She hasn’t had mental health follow-up since then because the mental health community isn’t allowed to see her in person, or go to her home, or transfer her to a new county. And she’s deteriorated again. But that’s the edict from above.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 11:15 AM PDT
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  4. Limestone Cowboy Coolidge
    Limestone CowboyJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The rate of hospitalizations is beginning to concern me. But as someone whose mental health has declined significantly in the past three months due to the effects of the “precautions” against the Wuhan virus, I push back against the precaution enthusiasts because the precaution enthusiasts refuse to even acknowledge that the precautions have negative consequences. It’s as though no one matters other than the extremely small number of people who might suffer serious consequences from the virus out of the very small number of people who might contract the virus. I might pay more attention to the “precautions” demanded of me if those demanding them could at least explain the tradeoffs involved, and not just talk about the virus consequences.

    I have a family member with a newly diagnosed delusional condition. She moved into her own home almost the same day that the Lock-down started. She hasn’t had mental health follow-up since then because the mental health community isn’t allowed to see her in person, or go to her home, or transfer her to a new county. And she’s deteriorated again. But that’s the edict from above.

    @flicker , I don’t know where you live or how strict the lockdown is in your area. But if it was my family member I’d consider moving her to a better situation for care with me or other family. And perhaps a short consultation with her family doctor is a good place to start.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 1:46 PM PDT
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  5. Flicker Coolidge

    Limestone Cowboy (View Comment):
    @flicker , I don’t know where you live or how strict the lockdown is in your area. But if it was my family member I’d consider moving her to a better situation for care with me or other family. And perhaps a short consultation with her family doctor is a good place to start.

    Thank you for this. The only family member she’s willing to live with can’t take her in again, and it is a long commute for even for him to come and sort her affairs out. But she was off her meds for probably three months during the lock-down and did get worse without any professional oversight.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 2:29 PM PDT
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  6. namlliT noD Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    It’s pretty weird that there are those who seem to be rooting for the virus.

    You’d think.

    But the virus gives state/county/city governments extraconstitutional power under the guise of keeping people safe. And a prolonged virus wrecks the economy and makes President Trump look bad. And if enough state/county/city governments do it together, they can’t be blamed.

    So it’s kind of a win-win. At least for the state/county/city situations where there is no serious Republican challenger.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 4:45 PM PDT
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  7. James Gawron Thatcher
    James GawronJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    It’s pretty weird that there are those who seem to be rooting for the virus.

    You’d think.

    But the virus gives state/county/city governments extraconstitutional power under the guise of keeping people safe. And a prolonged virus wrecks the economy and makes President Trump look bad. And if enough state/county/city governments do it together, they can’t be blamed.

    So it’s kind of a win-win. At least for the state/county/city situations where there is no serious Republican challenger.

    Don,

    Yep. A win-win for pure evil. No number of destroyed businesses and jobs, no number of suicides, no number of delayed medical treatments that result in death will stop these lying parasites. No matter how perverse the result, in the minds of these useless bastards stopping Trump is priority number one.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • June 28, 2020, at 4:56 PM PDT
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  8. Flicker Coolidge

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    It’s pretty weird that there are those who seem to be rooting for the virus.

    You’d think.

    But the virus gives state/county/city governments extraconstitutional power under the guise of keeping people safe. And a prolonged virus wrecks the economy and makes President Trump look bad. And if enough state/county/city governments do it together, they can’t be blamed.

    So it’s kind of a win-win. At least for the state/county/city situations where there is no serious Republican challenger.

    And doesn’t being in a state of emergency give the state additional funds?

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    • June 28, 2020, at 4:57 PM PDT
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  9. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    It’s pretty weird that there are those who seem to be rooting for the virus.

    You’d think.

    But the virus gives state/county/city governments extraconstitutional power under the guise of keeping people safe. And a prolonged virus wrecks the economy and makes President Trump look bad. And if enough state/county/city governments do it together, they can’t be blamed.

    So it’s kind of a win-win. At least for the state/county/city situations where there is no serious Republican challenger.

    Plus, state/county/city governments can pretty reasonably count on Federal bailouts, even with Trump as president, so there’s little-to-no political cost to running up the Covid expenses.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 5:20 PM PDT
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  10. Rightfromthestart Coolidge

    Our media is corrupt to the core, we simply can’t believe anything they say, it’s all filtered through the get Trump prism. 

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    • June 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM PDT
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  11. Chuck Thatcher

    I just got back from a hymn sing at a friends house. It’s a small house, very small, we were all of us – including the piano – in a space of about 350 square feet : I’m 72, the host & hostess are in their early 60’s. She’s in a wheelchair. A total of 9 adults and 17 children from two years to 14 years. One of the boys (surprise, I don’t know his name) sat in my lap for a while. No masks in sight. Need I say no social distancing? 

    Somebody else on Ricochet said that they should give us the facts and let us make up our own minds. The facts are just flat hard to come by, but I made up my mind and am quite willing to live – or die – with the consequences. Life is for the living.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 8:47 PM PDT
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  12. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noDJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Housebroken (View Comment):
    Somebody else on Ricochet said that they should give us the facts and let us make up our own minds. The facts are just flat hard to come by, but I made up my mind and am quite willing to live – or die – with the consequences. Life is for the living.

    Um, I think they pretty much gave us the facts.

    We know how it spreads.

    And we know how things multiply statistically; the number of new people you come into contact with, how close you are, for how long, how often, tight quarters, and so forth.

    And it’s consistent with observations; the New York City metropolitan area was hit hardest, and there you have a lot of lengthy commutes, with a lot of strangers from various places, densely packed, in a confined train, subway, or bus.

    I think the problem is that we, in the overall, are expecting specific rules that apply regardless of the situation. And that’s not a good thing; you get rules for the worst case that have to be obeyed everywhere.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 9:59 PM PDT
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  13. Full Size Tabby Member

    Statements such as those Sunday by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi are why some of us don’t take them seriously. Speaker Pelosi said that a nationwide mask mandate is “overdue.” Somebody who demands the same solution for a county in Wyoming or west Texas or North Dakota that has seen no Wuhan virus activity as she does for dense subway riding New York City that has seen thousands of deaths from Wuhan virus is not a person to be taken seriously. She is clearly more interested in control than in actual problem solving. And as a consequence some of us assume that others demanding the same “precautions” are also more interested in control than in problem solving. 

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:12 AM PDT
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