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In a recent piece, on PJ Media Rick Moran of PJ Media writes about the underhanded tricks liberals used in regards to sabotaging the Tulsa rally, and about how so many anti-Trump people approve of the tactics that used to be regarded as beyond the pale. Now, mind you, campaigning has ever been wrought with exaggerations and lies and underhanded acts. But usually, this is kind of accepted quietly and not celebrated or touted. Now it is, and that brings consequences. One of the consequences is that no matter the outcome in November there will be no healing, no setting aside, and moving forward for the good of the nation.

I have always thought that had Democrats chosen to try,  they could have gotten a lot of their agenda under President Trump. The conservative bona fides of President Trump always were and are shaky. The one incontrovertible fact of President Trump is his love of America. That is why he will always be opposed by the Left. But any portion of the progressive agenda that did not involve hating America was potentially adoptable by President Trump. But because Democrats insisted on his illegitimacy the President has been pushed further and further to the right in reaction.

This campaign is going to be as rough and tumble as they come. The Democratic shock troops are already in the streets and Democratic politicians are providing extensive cover for criminality. This will neither go unnoticed, unremarked upon, nor un-responded. The full outlines of the response is unknown. But it will be a bitter harvest.

In the end, either President Trump will be re-elected or the Left will be in charge of the Executive. The Senate will likely be retained by a thin majority of Republicans. The House might come back into Republicans’ hands, but the media will still be controlled by the anti-Trump forces. Academia and popular culture will remain under Leftist control. As such, there will be no peace in a second term for President Trump.

If the Left is victorious in November and if Nancy Pelosi still controls the House, we will see the mirror image of #Resistance. But the question is how vocal and how strong? If it wasn’t enough to carry Trump to victory how effective can it be as an out and out movement? Given the violent tactics of the Left, it is more likely to be a guerrilla movement. The focus will be on how to undermine the rule of the Left. I am pretty confident that the Red States are not going to turn purple under a President Biden or whoever controls/replaces him. The “flyover states” who will basically be unrepresented in the power centers of America after a Leftist takeover are not going to go along easily. A Leftist prohibition of liberty will be resisted.

I pray we do not learn how, even as I pray that it happens if the Left takes control.

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Rodin: I have always thought that had the Democrats chosen to do so they could have gotten a lot of their agenda under a President Trump

    This is so true. He clearly wanted to work with them and get work done. But, of course, they couldn’t possibly be seen doing such things. So many opportunities lost.

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  2. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Rodin: I have always thought that had the Democrats chosen to do so they could have gotten a lot of their agenda under a President Trump

    This is so true. He clearly wanted to work with them and get work done. But, of course, they couldn’t possibly be seen doing such things. So many opportunities lost.

    Maybe.  Trump is basically a leftist.  If the Demoncrats were smart, they could have manipulated him into going along with their agenda.  

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  3. Full Size Tabby Member
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    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election. 

    In 2016 Democrats mocked Donald Trump for not promising to accept the results of the election no matter what. When in fact it was the Democrats who refused to accept the results of the election. 

    Now the Democrats are giving Donald Trump (and people inclined to vote for him) solid reason to doubt the results of the election if Trump is not re-elected. 

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  4. Jules PA Inactive
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    Sitting here reading this: 

    You know how the voting results go by precincts onto the internet and news? Well any precinct where Trump wins will be vandalized by the left. 

    My only solace to all of this chaos is we will all die someday, somehow. 

    Its like the ultimate turn-the-other-cheek. 

    Or maybe get a gun. 

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  5. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Sitting here reading this:

    You know how the voting results go by precincts onto the internet and news? Well any precinct where Trump wins will be vandalized by the left.

    My only solace to all of this chaos is we will all die someday, somehow.

    Its like the ultimate turn-the-other-cheek.

    Or maybe get a gun.

    That will take some work. To some extent throughout the government ordered isolation, and especially after the riots started, many people have been doing so for the last few months. So gun store inventory is nearly non-existent. Ammunition is hard to find, too. 

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  6. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    In 2016 Democrats mocked Donald Trump for not promising to accept the results of the election no matter what. When in fact it was the Democrats who refused to accept the results of the election.

    Now the Democrats are giving Donald Trump (and people inclined to vote for him) solid reason to doubt the results of the election if Trump is not re-elected.

    Are you kidding.  Trump has already lost the election.  The voting is just for show.  To give it the veneer of validity.  Trump might have had a wave big enough to overwhelm Democrat corruption but he shot himself and us in the foot and destroyed the economy and released BLM and the Leftist.  He has very little chance now.

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  7. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    In 2016 Democrats mocked Donald Trump for not promising to accept the results of the election no matter what. When in fact it was the Democrats who refused to accept the results of the election.

    Now the Democrats are giving Donald Trump (and people inclined to vote for him) solid reason to doubt the results of the election if Trump is not re-elected.

    Are you kidding. Trump has already lost the election. The voting is just for show. To give it the veneer of validity. Trump might have had a wave big enough to overwhelm Democrat corruption but he shot himself and us in the foot and destroyed the economy and released BLM and the Leftist. He has very little chance now.

    That’s why the Dims were hysterical trying to prevent Trump from holding a rally. They have a candidate Biden who can barely speak one sentence without making a gaffe.  Remember, Dukakis is a shoo-in.

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  8. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    In 2016 Democrats mocked Donald Trump for not promising to accept the results of the election no matter what. When in fact it was the Democrats who refused to accept the results of the election.

    Now the Democrats are giving Donald Trump (and people inclined to vote for him) solid reason to doubt the results of the election if Trump is not re-elected.

    I expect massive attempts at fraud.  Ballot harvesting was tried in 2018 and was successful at least in Phoenix AZ and OC California.  The left’s opposition to voter ID and support for 100% mail in ballots are  indicators.

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  9. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    In 2016 Democrats mocked Donald Trump for not promising to accept the results of the election no matter what. When in fact it was the Democrats who refused to accept the results of the election.

    Now the Democrats are giving Donald Trump (and people inclined to vote for him) solid reason to doubt the results of the election if Trump is not re-elected.

    Are you kidding. Trump has already lost the election. The voting is just for show. To give it the veneer of validity. Trump might have had a wave big enough to overwhelm Democrat corruption but he shot himself and us in the foot and destroyed the economy and released BLM and the Leftist. He has very little chance now.

    TDS again.  I am recognizing the commenters.

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  10. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    In 2016 Democrats mocked Donald Trump for not promising to accept the results of the election no matter what. When in fact it was the Democrats who refused to accept the results of the election.

    Now the Democrats are giving Donald Trump (and people inclined to vote for him) solid reason to doubt the results of the election if Trump is not re-elected.

    I expect massive attempts at fraud. Ballot harvesting was tried in 2018 and was successful at least in Phoenix AZ and OC California. The left’s opposition to voter ID and support for 100% mail in ballots are indicators.

    I have no doubt that there are people trying to game a COVID-19 upsurge timed to disrupt in person voting. And/or massive street violence.

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  11. I Walton Member
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    The left is diverse as well.  There are the crazies that seem to get away with anything as we’ve destroyed our schools and have uneducated mobs  with radical notions, we have black radicals supported by white radicals, we have the corrupt politicians who just want to get back in power and we have the folks who actually are running matters who will dominate when they get real power.  They’re respectable half educated techies who run the giant falling cost companies.  They should be our focus; we have to find ways to separate their market power from their falling costs or they win, or failing that, they lose along with the rest of us.

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  12. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election. 

    The fun part here was the Democrats like AOC who were reveling in the idea that people on Zoom and Tik-Tok managed to snare tickets and sabotaged Trump’s rally stepped on the messaging of other Democrats on Sunday, who were trying to push the spin that Trump’s support is obviously eroding because there were 6,000 or so empty seats in Tulsa.

    Pick one or the other, but you can’t have both (and either way, Trump’s going to hold future rallies, where ticket availability may be tied into campaign donations, so any saboteurs would have to offer up valid credit card numbers and actually donate to the Trump re-election campaign to get seats. Doubt the basement crusaders are going to actually want to put their own $$$ on the line to sabotage future rallies, unless they can get hold of mom or dad’s Amex or Visa numbers….)

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  13. Suspira Member
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    Rodin: One of the consequences is that no matter the outcome in November there will be no healing, no setting aside, and moving forward for the good of the nation.

    Too true. In my more melancholy moments, I wonder if we can even be said to have a nation.

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  14. Eridemus Coolidge
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    I think the press is a huge contributor to our state of affairs, never leave it out. They have proven to 1/2 of the country that they warp the news and convinced the other half that Trump is a traitorous crazy person. 

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  15. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Rodin: I have always thought that had Democrats chosen to try, they could have gotten a lot of their agenda under President Trump. The conservative bona fides of President Trump always were and are shaky. The one incontrovertible fact of President Trump is his love of America. That is why he will always be opposed by the Left. But any portion of the progressive agenda that did not involve hating America was potentially adoptable by President Trump. But because Democrats insisted on his illegitimacy the President has been pushed further and further to the right in reaction.

    Brilliant paragraph.  Very true, in my view.

    As Rodin pointed out in the section I bolded above, this election is really going to be the pro-American side against the anti-American side.  Thus, I expect it to be a contentious, and likely violent, campaign season.  This is going to get nasty.

    It’s already nasty out there, of course.  But I think it may get a lot worse.

    I really hope I’m wrong.

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  16. Unsk Member
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    “Maybe. Trump is basically a leftist.”

    Trump ain’t no Leftist. Every Leftist hates America. Trump loves America. Trump has always had a Blue Dog view of the world, but that Blue Dog view once held by many working class Democrats is now Verboten in the new Revolutionary Marxist Democrat Party.  

    Rodin is right, this election is gonna be simply between the Pro-Americans who want to make America great again and the Anti-Americans who want make America an ultra violent, unjust, unrelentingly poor, repressive toxic cesspool controlled by  a Totalitarian Government which is allied with foreign Marxist interests like China. 

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    In 2016 Democrats mocked Donald Trump for not promising to accept the results of the election no matter what. When in fact it was the Democrats who refused to accept the results of the election.

    Now the Democrats are giving Donald Trump (and people inclined to vote for him) solid reason to doubt the results of the election if Trump is not re-elected.

    Are you kidding. Trump has already lost the election. The voting is just for show. To give it the veneer of validity. Trump might have had a wave big enough to overwhelm Democrat corruption but he shot himself and us in the foot and destroyed the economy and released BLM and the Leftist. He has very little chance now.

    That’s why the Dims were hysterical trying to prevent Trump from holding a rally. They have a candidate Biden who can barely speak one sentence without making a gaffe. Remember, Dukakis is a shoo-in.

    I think polls are naturally inaccurate and deliberately rigged.  And I suspect that Trump supporters are closed-mouthed to surveyors.  And I think that the middle will overwhelmingly choose Trump over a Left-sided party that advocates for anti-fa and BLM.  But it will have to be a big margine in order to overcome the ballot rigging.

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  18. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    “Maybe. Trump is basically a leftist.”

    Trump ain’t no Leftist. Every Leftist hates America. Trump loves America. Trump has always had a Blue Dog view of the world, but that Blue Dog view once held by many working class Democrats is now Verboten in the new Revolutionary Marxist Democrat Party.

    Rodin is right, this election is gonna be simply between the Pro-Americans who want to make America great again and the Anti-Americans who want make America an ultra violent, unjust, unrelentingly poor, repressive toxic cesspool controlled by a Totalitarian Government which is allied with foreign Marxist interests like China.

    I think Trump was a successful businessman doing business in New York City. He paid the bribes/.donations that he had to to do  business there.  The big Democrat cities are all corrupt and have been for decades, if not centuries. Giuliani may have been honest but he never had an honest city council. Chicago, I do not need to mention.  Los Angeles was honest when  Sam Yorty was Mayor although  there was probably some low level corruption. I know the LAPD was honest although blacks may have had a hard time.

    Trump has been talking about his agenda for 30 years. He considered running in the late 80s.  You can look up his policy ideas from that time,. Not a leftist. More a pragmatist.

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  19. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    The fun part here was the Democrats like AOC who were reveling in the idea that people on Zoom and Tik-Tok managed to snare tickets and sabotaged Trump’s rally stepped on the messaging of other Democrats on Sunday, who were trying to push the spin that Trump’s support is obviously eroding because there were 6,000 or so empty seats in Tulsa.

    Pick one or the other, but you can’t have both (and either way, Trump’s going to hold future rallies, where ticket availability may be tied into campaign donations, so any saboteurs would have to offer up valid credit card numbers and actually donate to the Trump re-election campaign to get seats. Doubt the basement crusaders are going to actually want to put their own $$$ on the line to sabotage future rallies, unless they can get hold of mom or dad’s Amex or Visa numbers….)

    AOC did not sabatoge Trumps rally.  Trump did that himself.  They just taking credit for it.

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  20. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    The fun part here was the Democrats like AOC who were reveling in the idea that people on Zoom and Tik-Tok managed to snare tickets and sabotaged Trump’s rally stepped on the messaging of other Democrats on Sunday, who were trying to push the spin that Trump’s support is obviously eroding because there were 6,000 or so empty seats in Tulsa.

    Pick one or the other, but you can’t have both (and either way, Trump’s going to hold future rallies, where ticket availability may be tied into campaign donations, so any saboteurs would have to offer up valid credit card numbers and actually donate to the Trump re-election campaign to get seats. Doubt the basement crusaders are going to actually want to put their own $$$ on the line to sabotage future rallies, unless they can get hold of mom or dad’s Amex or Visa numbers….)

    AOC did not sabatoge Trumps rally. Trump did that himself. They just taking credit for it.

    But it’s hard to both claim credit for destroying Trump’s rally at the same time you’re saying Trump did it to himself and/or the lack of turnout shows Trump’s popularity’s waning. You either kept 6,000 people from getting into the arena in Tusla, or there weren’t another 6,000 people who wanted to go into the arena in Tulsa (most of the Dems seem to have now settled on the latter spin, while AOC — who could lose her primary on Tuesday — is sticking with the former as part of an effort to gin up last minute progressive enthusiasm in her district).

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  21. Jules PA Inactive
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    AOC — who could lose her primary on Tuesday —

    I pray. I pray. 

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  22. Flicker Coolidge
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    AOC — who could lose her primary on Tuesday —

    I pray. I pray.

    Amen to that (and a whole lot more).

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  23. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Fox had record ratings covering the Rally. If this is failure, let’s have more of it!

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  24. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    That prominent Democrats are so proud of sabotaging the rally ticket and attendance systems makes me more concerned than before about their plans to sabotage the election.

    The fun part here was the Democrats like AOC who were reveling in the idea that people on Zoom and Tik-Tok managed to snare tickets and sabotaged Trump’s rally stepped on the messaging of other Democrats on Sunday, who were trying to push the spin that Trump’s support is obviously eroding because there were 6,000 or so empty seats in Tulsa.

    Pick one or the other, but you can’t have both (and either way, Trump’s going to hold future rallies, where ticket availability may be tied into campaign donations, so any saboteurs would have to offer up valid credit card numbers and actually donate to the Trump re-election campaign to get seats. Doubt the basement crusaders are going to actually want to put their own $$$ on the line to sabotage future rallies, unless they can get hold of mom or dad’s Amex or Visa numbers….)

    AOC did not sabatoge Trumps rally. Trump did that himself. They just taking credit for it.

    But it’s hard to both claim credit for destroying Trump’s rally at the same time you’re saying Trump did it to himself and/or the lack of turnout shows Trump’s popularity’s waning. You either kept 6,000 people from getting into the arena in Tusla, or there weren’t another 6,000 people who wanted to go into the arena in Tulsa (most of the Dems seem to have now settled on the latter spin, while AOC — who could lose her primary on Tuesday — is sticking with the former as part of an effort to gin up last minute progressive enthusiasm in her district).

    The truth is that Trump was claiming almost million people coming and only got 12,000 in an arena that help 18,000.  

    That is a significant difference between what was expected and what happened.  

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  25. Rodin Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The truth is that Trump was claiming almost million people coming and only got 12,000 in an arena that help 18,000.

    That is a significant difference between what was expected and what happened.

    (Yawn)

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  26. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The truth is that Trump was claiming almost million people coming and only got 12,000 in an arena that help 18,000.

    That is a significant difference between what was expected and what happened.

    (Yawn)

    Wishing does not always make things as you would like them to be. The NeverTrumpers are like Bobby Kennedy in 1968.  They dream of things that never were and wish they would happen. Reagan in 1976 was considered a dangerous extremist by the GOPe that hates Trump.

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  27. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    AOC — who could lose her primary on Tuesday —

    I pray. I pray.

    Amen to that (and a whole lot more).

    Think the Democrats would allow that to happen?  Seems they like her there.  

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  28. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The truth is that Trump was claiming almost million people coming and only got 12,000 in an arena that help 18,000.

    That is a significant difference between what was expected and what happened.

    (Yawn)

    Guess what. There are more than four months between today and the election. The first rally after COVIT is a learning experience. The fact that the arena was 1/3 empty is insignificant compared to the TV audience and the lessons learned. This is especially true since Biden can barely speak using a Teleprompter. Off the cuff, he’s hopeless.

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  29. Jules PA Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    AOC — who could lose her primary on Tuesday —

    I pray. I pray.

    Amen to that (and a whole lot more).

    Think the Democrats would allow that to happen? Seems they like her there.

    Nothing would make me happier than to hear Dems whining about ballot fraud in a Dem primary. 

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