Minneapolis Lunacy: A Recipe for Disaster

 

This morning my blood ran cold when I heard the latest recommendation from the Minneapolis City Council: disband the police department. Sundance at the Conservative Tree House explains the background for this action:

The term ‘community policing’ has been used for several years by groups advocating for radical changes to law enforcement; however, behind the innocuous phrase is really a much more serious agenda.

If each community can determine the enforcement of law, then essentially all communities can eliminate the underlying law itself. Remove local enforcement of law and the local community can independently assemble a social structure separate from all other binding contracts that frame a larger societal compact.

This is not the community-oriented policing that Rudy Giuliani instituted in New York. These actions, instead, would be the perfect recipe for lawlessness and chaos.

Spearheading this action is Jeremiah Ellison, the son of Minnesota Attorney Keith Ellison, a Muslim activist and far Left advocate:

Jeremiah Ellison, the son of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison and a representative of the city’s Ward 5, explicitly led calls to ‘dramatically rethink’ how the city keeps its people safe.

‘We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department,’ he tweeted. “And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due.’

Lisa Bender, president of the city council, sent out this warning:

On Wednesday she posted a thread about how a ‘white person’ should think about dismantling the police.

‘If you are a comfortable white person asking to dismantle the police I invite you to reflect: are you willing to stick with it? Will you be calling in three months to ask about garage break-ins? Are you willing to dismantle white supremacy in all systems, including a new system?’ she said. ‘I mean this quite sincerely & seriously: just look at recent conversations about City-funded neighborhood organizations to understand how explicitly we would have to work to establish alternative systems that do not replicate the same problems. White ppl need to show up for this.’

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Ms. Bender is telling the white people in Minneapolis that if the deprived black people attack the homes of the white community or commit any other offenses, get over it. Pay back is tough.

The city council is due to vote on this issue today.

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  1. Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    I don’t think he has the authority to counteract this kind of decision.

    There is certainly the power and authority at the State level even if there may be a question whether the governor can act directly. If the locals get too insane the State can dissolve their city charter or however they are organized.

    Declaration of Emergency…yadda yadda…National Guard…yadda yadda…Screaming Eagles…yadda yadda…Antifa atrocity trials…

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  2. Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    There’s no way this leads to an unarmed “civil enforcement authority” or whatever they call it. They’re talking about a different model of policing, where you send in a social worker or mental health worker first, instead of sending in a cop who might not have the training or sensitivity or patience to deal with someone in crisis. Then you send the armed cop after the social worker was stabbed. 

    And so they send police to check first if it is safe for the social worker, and if they don’t come back ignore the call.

    In Northern Virginia, the police are largely social workers, so it all sort of falls together. It’s that false dichotomy between the two that trips people up.

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  3. Flicker Coolidge
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    This is what NewsThud is reporting:

    Two Minneapolis City Council members just stunned the entire USA and they are not backing down from their ridiculous new plan.

    Steve Fletcher and Alondra Cano have been leading the charge to disband the city police force or defund it to its oblivion.

    Steve Fletcher says the entire council “to some degree” has been discussing disbanding the police department.

    He said on Twitter: “Several of us on the council are working on finding out what it would take to disband the Minneapolis Police Department and start fresh with a community-oriented, nonviolent public safety and outreach capacity.”

    Sounds like no cops.  Cops are too violent.  Who are these people?  Eight-year-olds?

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  4. Flicker Coolidge
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    Daily Caller reports this:

    A Massachusetts chapter of the United Auto Workers union on May 29 called for the “disarmament and defunding of local police departments, with the redistribution of resources to democratically community-controlled education, healthcare and housing infrastructure.”

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  5. Lockdowns Are Precious Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Housebroken (View Comment):
    If you’re a police officer in Minneapolis – avoid the rush: quit, and move out now.

    There aren’t many – stats say 92% of the cops live outside of the city.

    There’s no way this leads to an unarmed “civil enforcement authority” or whatever they call it. They’re talking about a different model of policing, where you send in a social worker or mental health worker first, instead of sending in a cop who might not have the training or sensitivity or patience to deal with someone in crisis. Then you send the armed cop after the social worker was stabbed.

    I could be wrong; they could be that nuts.

    A friend of mine went for dinner in Maple Grove, MN back in the late 90s and parked his rental car. As he started to lock the doors his passenger said “don’t bother, there’s off duty cops everywhere here. No one is going to touch your car.”

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  6. MiMac Thatcher
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    The vast majority of Americans have never been involved in a truly violent incident.

    This.

    It is a very nice feature, in many ways, of modern life, but the downside is that most Americans have never been in a fight, seen an animal hunted and killed, or butchered for food, have never played a real contact sport (e,g, football, rugby) and may not even have play-wrestled much as a kid—if you are one of two children in the standard, two-kid household, and the other kid is a girl…the chances are pretty good no one ever got punched in the snoot. (Whereas if you have four kids, and two of them are boys…plenty of experience with violence!)

    So they really, really don’t know. They have no idea just how fast and merciless violence can be. They think there is time to talk, and room to negotiate. They honestly believe that bullies just need to be understood, and maybe loved. They believe that surrender is an option.

    BTW- real wrestling is a COMBAT sport- tougher than contact sports like football

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  7. MiMac Thatcher
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    If the left has it’s way cities will become like England- there burglars DON’T break into empty houses- they wait until you are home, barge in & demand you hand over your valuables ( they don’t want to have to look for them). If you don’t comply, they will beat & stab your family (they come in groups). They do this b/c they know you have no firearms (& in many cities in England you can not use lethal force against burglars- you will be the one charged). Only here it will be called spontaneous acts of reparations and active measures against oppression.

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  8. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    OHSA for burglars – Thomas Sowell

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  9. Miffed White Male Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    They’re talking about a different model of policing, where you send in a social worker or mental health worker first, instead of sending in a cop who might not have the training or sensitivity or patience to deal with someone in crisis. Then you send the armed cop after the social worker was stabbed. 

    I laughed out loud.

    And yes, they could be that nuts.

     

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  10. Lockdowns Are Precious Inactive
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    OHSA for burglars – Thomas Sowell

    They are not burglars. They are Property Re-Deployment Specialists (PRS).

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  11. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Any word on how the vote went?

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  12. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Crime rates only go up if crimes are reported and recorded. If you stop answering 911 calls and make sure the citizens patrol only bring back good news (assuming they venture out at all) you have a crime-free city. No reporter or social scientist in his or her right mind is going to wade into what’s left to check your reported outcomes.

    One can almost smell the success on the way. If Minneapolis does this I will be expecting royalties or a consulting fee.

    As far as I know, nobody’s suggesting defunding 911.  It’d still be there for fire and for ambulance and for reporting hate crimes.

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  13. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Do any of these folks recognize that one logical consequence of the proposal is the armed citizenry that they fervently oppose?

    OMG–I’m sure they don’t. Or the next vote is to reject the Constitution and take our guns. Right?

    Without cops, who’s gonna take the guns?

     

    Federal agents.

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  14. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    This is what NewsThud is reporting:

    Two Minneapolis City Council members just stunned the entire USA and they are not backing down from their ridiculous new plan.

    Steve Fletcher and Alondra Cano have been leading the charge to disband the city police force or defund it to its oblivion.

    Steve Fletcher says the entire council “to some degree” has been discussing disbanding the police department.

    He said on Twitter: “Several of us on the council are working on finding out what it would take to disband the Minneapolis Police Department and start fresh with a community-oriented, nonviolent public safety and outreach capacity.”

    Sounds like no cops. Cops are too violent. Who are these people? Eight-year-olds?

    It smells like a bait and switch.  The “police” will simply be given a new politically-correct name like “public safety workers” and will have to join the municipal workers union rather than having their own police union.

    Upon reflection, that might not be the worst idea in the world. 

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  15. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Now that I think about it, why is it that police, firefighters, and paramedics have their own unions instead of being represented by the municipal workers union?  They all have the same employer, so why don’t they have the same union?

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  16. Bob Thompson Member
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Now that I think about it, why is it that police, firefighters, and paramedics have their own unions instead of being represented by the municipal workers union? They all have the same employer, so why don’t they have the same union?

    Do you really not know why this is the case?

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  17. MarciN Member
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    Maybe some good will come out of this. The anti-Second Amendment group says “Call 9-1-1 if your life is threatened. You don’t need a gun.” Well, if there’s no police anymore anywhere, . . . 

    :-)

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  18. Flicker Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Maybe some good will come out of this. The anti-Second Amendment group says “Call 9-1-1 if your life is threatened. You don’t need a gun.” Well, if there’s no police anymore anywhere, . . .

    :-)

    There will be gangs, and then there will be new social orders acting in a governmental capacity.  Look at the European banlieues, at Venezuela, and the favilas of Brazil.

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  19. Unsk Member
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    There will be gangs, and then there will be new social orders acting in a governmental capacity. Look at the European banlieues, at Venezuela, and the favilas of Brazil.

    Right you are!

    The new popular bumper sticker will be:

    “Support your Local Gang Thug” Er – Warlord? 

    A Socialist Nirvana for sure tho.

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  20. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Crime rates only go up if crimes are reported and recorded. If you stop answering 911 calls and make sure the citizens patrol only bring back good news (assuming they venture out at all) you have a crime-free city. No reporter or social scientist in his or her right mind is going to wade into what’s left to check your reported outcomes.

    One can almost smell the success on the way. If Minneapolis does this I will be expecting royalties or a consulting fee.

    The check is in the mail! 

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  21. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Now that I think about it, why is it that police, firefighters, and paramedics have their own unions instead of being represented by the municipal workers union? They all have the same employer, so why don’t they have the same union?

    Why do they have unions at all?

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  22. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Maybe some good will come out of this. The anti-Second Amendment group says “Call 9-1-1 if your life is threatened. You don’t need a gun.” Well, if there’s no police anymore anywhere, . . .

    :-)

    There will be gangs, and then there will be new social orders acting in a governmental capacity. Look at the European banlieues, at Venezuela, and the favilas of Brazil.

    The new anti-gun argument will be, “you don’t need a gun. Just remember to make your monthly donation to the Neighbourhood Protection Association (i.e. the Mafia).”

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  23. Old Bathos Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Crime rates only go up if crimes are reported and recorded. If you stop answering 911 calls and make sure the citizens patrol only bring back good news (assuming they venture out at all) you have a crime-free city. No reporter or social scientist in his or her right mind is going to wade into what’s left to check your reported outcomes.

    One can almost smell the success on the way. If Minneapolis does this I will be expecting royalties or a consulting fee.

    The check is in the mail!

    I do not accept checks from collapsing jurisdictions. Bitcoin only.

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  24. Western Chauvinist Member
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    I’ve been watching the headlines pop up all day of police being charged with crimes for dealing with protesters. I think many, many cities will experience what it’s like to live without a police force, because the police are going to be demotivated to even try to do their jobs. Too risky. 

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  25. Manny Coolidge
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    The people in Minneapolis are actually stupid/Liberal (same thing) enough to actually try this.  In NYC we are going through a phase where there is no bail for criminals.  Just let them off.  It ain’t working.

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  26. Flicker Coolidge
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    Buffalo might go copless but not by choice.

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  27. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Defunding the FBI, on the other hand, is looking better and better:

    As Sundance at CTH notes,

    [T]here was always a suspicion the FBI were more concerned about political correctness than actually doing the work of a federal investigative agency.  Historically the FBI has failed miserably to stop domestic terror threats; and when the investigative failures are researched there’s usually a prior connection between the attackers and the FBI.

    The father of the Orlando Pulse nightclub terrorist, Omar Mateen, was a guy named Seddique Mateen (you might remember seeing him at the Hillary Clinton rally).  After Omar killed 49 people it was discovered that Seddique had been an FBI informant for over eleven years (2005 to 2016).

    Similarly, after the Parkland school shooting, it was discovered the FBI was fully aware of Nikolas Cruz, yet again they had taken no action.  The exact same scenario had played out several years earlier when the FBI was warned about the Tsarnaev brothers before the Boston Marathon Bombing 2013 and yet they did nothing to stop it.

    The FBI is now a political agency with police powers within the federal government.  The activity of Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, James Comey, Andrew McCabe and a host of very familiar names has shown just how important politics is within the institution.  Indeed, as we saw in the ridiculous Hillary Clinton investigation, politics was the prism for every decision; and protecting their ideological tribe was the biggest concern within the agency.

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  28. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Defunding the FBI, on the other hand, is looking better and better:

    As Sundance at CTH notes,

    [T]here was always a suspicion the FBI were more concerned about political correctness than actually doing the work of a federal investigative agency. Historically the FBI has failed miserably to stop domestic terror threats; and when the investigative failures are researched there’s usually a prior connection between the attackers and the FBI.

    The father of the Orlando Pulse nightclub terrorist, Omar Mateen, was a guy named Seddique Mateen (you might remember seeing him at the Hillary Clinton rally). After Omar killed 49 people it was discovered that Seddique had been an FBI informant for over eleven years (2005 to 2016).

    Similarly, after the Parkland school shooting, it was discovered the FBI was fully aware of Nikolas Cruz, yet again they had taken no action. The exact same scenario had played out several years earlier when the FBI was warned about the Tsarnaev brothers before the Boston Marathon Bombing 2013 and yet they did nothing to stop it.

    The FBI is now a political agency with police powers within the federal government. The activity of Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, James Comey, Andrew McCabe and a host of very familiar names has shown just how important politics is within the institution. Indeed, as we saw in the ridiculous Hillary Clinton investigation, politics was the prism for every decision; and protecting their ideological tribe was the biggest concern within the agency.

    It does make one wonder who would be hurt by disbanding the agency — other than agents who wouldn’t be getting a paycheck.

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  29. Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    The FBI is now a political agency with police powers within the federal government. The activity of Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, James Comey, Andrew McCabe and a host of very familiar names has shown just how important politics is within the institution. Indeed, as we saw in the ridiculous Hillary Clinton investigation, politics was the prism for every decision; and protecting their ideological tribe was the biggest concern within the agency.

    Certainly the FISA scandals where no FISA cases have been properly handled indicate the corruption is all-pervasive, at least on the intelligence side. The Flynn investigation is unique, though, in that HQ investigated rather than an office that does investigations. That was a huge red flag from the start. HQ is administration not investigation. Of course, none of the names you mention are still with the bureau all having been fired for cause. Further housecleaning appears to be in order.

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  30. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Sisyphus (hears Xi laughing) (View Comment):
    Further housecleaning appears to be in order

    I agree, @sisyphus. And more consequences for those who have left. The public should know that these people violated regulations and in some cases broke the law.

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