Minneapolis Lunacy: A Recipe for Disaster

 

This morning my blood ran cold when I heard the latest recommendation from the Minneapolis City Council: disband the police department. Sundance at the Conservative Tree House explains the background for this action:

The term ‘community policing’ has been used for several years by groups advocating for radical changes to law enforcement; however, behind the innocuous phrase is really a much more serious agenda.

If each community can determine the enforcement of law, then essentially all communities can eliminate the underlying law itself. Remove local enforcement of law and the local community can independently assemble a social structure separate from all other binding contracts that frame a larger societal compact.

This is not the community-oriented policing that Rudy Giuliani instituted in New York. These actions, instead, would be the perfect recipe for lawlessness and chaos.

Spearheading this action is Jeremiah Ellison, the son of Minnesota Attorney Keith Ellison, a Muslim activist and far Left advocate:

Jeremiah Ellison, the son of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison and a representative of the city’s Ward 5, explicitly led calls to ‘dramatically rethink’ how the city keeps its people safe.

‘We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department,’ he tweeted. “And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due.’

Lisa Bender, president of the city council, sent out this warning:

On Wednesday she posted a thread about how a ‘white person’ should think about dismantling the police.

‘If you are a comfortable white person asking to dismantle the police I invite you to reflect: are you willing to stick with it? Will you be calling in three months to ask about garage break-ins? Are you willing to dismantle white supremacy in all systems, including a new system?’ she said. ‘I mean this quite sincerely & seriously: just look at recent conversations about City-funded neighborhood organizations to understand how explicitly we would have to work to establish alternative systems that do not replicate the same problems. White ppl need to show up for this.’

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Ms. Bender is telling the white people in Minneapolis that if the deprived black people attack the homes of the white community or commit any other offenses, get over it. Pay back is tough.

The city council is due to vote on this issue today.

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  1. philo Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment): From the nature of some of the comments about leaving that city, I take it that most here are judging this to be a local problem, at least in its extremes.

    See: Chernobyl.

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  2. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    There is a portion of the far left, Antifa loving, Jeremiah’s message that I agree with. Dismantling the current structure of the police department and rebuilding it should begin with the banning of the Police Union.  The current union structure protects the worst actors, the most corrupt; the bad cops.  It becomes near impossible to discipline bad cops, and harder to get rid of them, because of union protections.  It seems to me there should be some common ground in all of our desires to improve the system.  The rest of Jeremiah’s proposal is radical garbage, but we should be looking into improving the system.  For the record, this is my opinion regarding virtually all modern unions. They all promote mediocrity, and protect the worst, rather than promoting the best. Alternately, Trade Guilds, seem to do just the opposite. 

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  3. CJ Inactive
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    I personally think this is a great idea. I think conservatives should embrace dismantling any coercive government monopoly.

    Having a competitive market for police services would be a great improvement.

    Anyway, the “larger societal compact” is a phony construct.

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  4. Limestone Cowboy Coolidge
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    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Housebroken (View Comment):
    Interestingly enough, while writing this comment I got a phone call. A group of us will be meeting together to determine how best to respond to the evident societal deterioriation, with the primary concern being how do men best provide for, and protect, their families when things boil over.

    This would make a great post, @chuckles. I would love to learn what was discussed.

    This will be the first meeting, I’ll definitely be the oldest, most of the rest have children at home – from 4 weeks old to 15 years old. I think they asked me because, you know, if nothing else us old farts do have experience. If there’s anything to report, I’ll let you know.

    BTW, they may not have something called a police force, but their will be rules and enforcement–and we probably won’t much like it (understatement).

    There will be a police force, that was central to my comment: I’m sitting here trying to imagine some likely names for it. Pansy patrol, marshmallow brigade, neighborhood protection authority, Democrat Field Operatives, whatever. Will we like how they do things? Probably not. Cops are trained and experienced and under oversight. These new fellows, not so much.

    In Venezuela, local law enforcement is partly delegated to neighborhood committees under control of the regime. There’s a term for these local organizations.. what are the called by the citizens?… oh yeah, thugs. That’s it.

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  5. Limestone Cowboy Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Do any of these folks recognize that one logical consequence of the proposal is the armed citizenry that they fervently oppose?

    If only. 

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  6. philo Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    Housebroken (View Comment): If you’re a police officer in Minneapolis – avoid the rush: quit, and move out now.

    The beginning of the avalanche…

    • If you are a homeowner in Minneapolis – avoid the collapse of the housing market: sell now, and move out now.
    • If you are a business owner in Minneapolis – avoid the collapse of the local economy: sell now, and move out now. (If the business or franchise is still closed due to lockdown requirements, do no bother wasting any capital in re-opening, it will be wasted money.)
    • If you have suppliers in Minneapolis – avoid the disruption in services/inventory: move your business elsewhere now.

    The list can go on…

    Back to your original point, if you are a police officer in Minneapolis, how confident at this point are you in your employer honoring their commitment to you pension?

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  7. Housebroken Coolidge
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    Limestone Cowboy (View Comment):
    And we’d better be prepared for an outflow of refugees.

    This.

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  8. Housebroken Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Housebroken (View Comment): If you’re a police officer in Minneapolis – avoid the rush: quit, and move out now.

    The beginning of the avalanche…

    • If you are a homeowner in Minneapolis – avoid the collapse of the housing market: sell now, and move out now.
    • If you are a business owner in Minneapolis – avoid the collapse of the local economy: sell now, and move out now. (If the business or franchise is still closed due to lockdown requirements, do no bother wasting any capital in re-opening, it will be wasted money.)
    • If you have suppliers in Minneapolis – avoid the disruption in services/inventory: move your business elsewhere now.

    The list can go on…

    Back to your original point, if you are a police officer in Minneapolis, how confident at this point are you in your employer honoring their commitment to you pension?

    That’s a good question:  But perhaps more important is a persons relative priorities. It determines what a person will do for money.

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):
    The rest of Jeremiah’s proposal is radical garbage, but we should be looking into improving the system. For the record, this is my opinion regarding virtually all modern unions.

    I’m with you, @nohaaj. But I’ll bet that Jeremiah has no intention of modifying the unions. He wouldn’t be a Lefty if he did. No question that the system needs work!

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  10. Housebroken Coolidge
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    Limestone Cowboy (View Comment):
    Let them run this grand social experiment in just one city for just six months and see what happens.

    Perhaps I’m misunderstanding, or over applying your comment – but seems to me folks will not learn from any failure.  They will just say, well they didn’t do it right:  But I know how to do it right!  So I would see here just another opportunity to apply the aphorism “you can’t fix stupid”.

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  11. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Limestone Cowboy (View Comment):
    Let them run this grand social experiment in just one city for just six months and see what happens.

    Perhaps I’m misunderstanding, or over applying your comment – but seems to me folks will not learn from any failure. They will just say, well they didn’t do it right: But I know how to do it right! So I would see here just another opportunity to apply the aphorism “you can’t fix stupid”.

    Oh, man, I think you’re right! They use that rationale all the time with Communism: we’d do it right!

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  12. philo Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Housebroken (View Comment): If you’re a police officer in Minneapolis – avoid the rush: quit, and move out now.

    The beginning of the avalanche…

    • If you are a homeowner in Minneapolis – avoid the collapse of the housing market: sell now, and move out now.
    • If you are a business owner in Minneapolis – avoid the collapse of the local economy: sell now, and move out now. (If the business or franchise is still closed due to lockdown requirements, do no bother wasting any capital in re-opening, it will be wasted money.)
    • If you have suppliers in Minneapolis – avoid the disruption in services/inventory: move your business elsewhere now.

    The list can go on…

    Back to your original point, if you are a police officer in Minneapolis, how confident at this point are you in your employer honoring their commitment to you pension?

    Also, I bolded the word “now” with the intent of stressing how important that is.  There will (and should) be consequences for even engaging in this crazy talk.

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  13. Bob W Member
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    Does this mean policed by homeowners associations?

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  14. Percival Thatcher
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    If there is no one to call about people who break into garages, will there be anyone to call about people who shoot people who break into garages?

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  15. Old Bathos Member
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    Mexico has experimented with this model with large sections of or entire towns given over to community activist groups/cartels instead with no cops.  That is perhaps why five Mexican cities now hold 1 through 5 in world rankings for per capita murder rates. It would be the top six but Caracas edged out Acapulco for #6.

    We tried variants of this approach in Baltimore after the Freddy Gray and Ferguson riots protests.

    There will be no black-on-Black crime in Minneapolis once the police provocation is eliminated. And it is well-known that the white population there is very woke so they have nothing to fear.

    I just hope they do it right away and get the endorsement of all Democrats so we can see the outcome before the elections.

     

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  16. philo Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    If there is no one to call about people who break into garages, will there be anyone to call about people who shoot people who break into garages?

    r/blursedimages - Blursed Human Trap

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  17. Limestone Cowboy Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Limestone Cowboy (View Comment):
    Let them run this grand social experiment in just one city for just six months and see what happens.

    Perhaps I’m misunderstanding, or over applying your comment – but seems to me folks will not learn from any failure. They will just say, well they didn’t do it right: But I know how to do it right! So I would see here just another opportunity to apply the aphorism “you can’t fix stupid”.

    Oh, man, I think you’re right! They use that rationale all the time with Communism: we’d do it right!

    Which really means I’d do it right.

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  18. ddavewes Member
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    Today, David Marcus at the Federalist had a preview of what this will look like:

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/05/im-the-rapid-response-social-worker-who-replaced-the-police/

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  19. Limestone Cowboy Coolidge
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    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Limestone Cowboy (View Comment):
    Let them run this grand social experiment in just one city for just six months and see what happens.

    Perhaps I’m misunderstanding, or over applying your comment – but seems to me folks will not learn from any failure. They will just say, well they didn’t do it right: But I know how to do it right! So I would see here just another opportunity to apply the aphorism “you can’t fix stupid”.

    @housebroken Right on both counts.   

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  20. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    ddavewes (View Comment):

    Today, David Marcus at the Federalist had a preview of what this will look like:

    @ddavewes! I especially liked the Emily Dickinson quote.

    I don’t see an end for all this violence and confusion, because in real life, the Left won’t give up.

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  21. Stad Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn: This morning my blood ran cold when I heard the latest recommendation from the Minneapolis City Council: disband the police department.

    With all due respect, love, and admiration for James Lileks, the HWX guys, and other residents of the city: go for it.  Show the rest of the country what life in a major city without a police force would be like.  I can picture the caravan of cars fleeing, not unlike the scenes in Independence Day after the aliens showed up.

    Now, it could be they’re banking on the Sheriff’s Department to fill in, but unless it’s a metropolitan department like the LA Sheriff’s Department  (https://lasd.org/), they won’t be able to handle the increased workload . . .

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  22. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    philo (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment): From the nature of some of the comments about leaving that city, I take it that most here are judging this to be a local problem, at least in its extremes.

    See: Chernobyl.

    See: Detroit.

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment): It may be a sign that the lunacy of our times has entered the Hoyacon household, but I almost would like see this happen. There would be unfortunate consequences, but, every so often, I’m tempted by the prospect of progressives being confronted with the fallout from their wacky ideas.

    I want to see the elected government of Minneapolis do exactly what the citizens of Minneapolis want them to do. (No almost about it.) Ditto for LA (and any others). The results, both near and far term, from these little laboratories of democracy will provide critical feedback to the rest of the nation. Cities are born, cities die (sometimes by their own hand). The ugly consequences will play out as they should. (Note: No bailouts with federal dollars.)

     

    The spillover to surrounding states would be terrible.

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  24. Flicker Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This morning my blood ran cold when I heard the latest recommendation from the Minneapolis City Council: disband the police department.

    With all due respect, love, and admiration for James Lileks, the HWX guys, and other residents of the city: go for it. Show the rest of the country what life in a major city without a police force would be like. I can picture the caravan of cars fleeing, not unlike the scenes in Independence Day after the aliens showed up.

    Now, it could be they’re banking on the Sheriff’s Department to fill in, but unless it’s a metropolitan department like the LA Sheriff’s Department (https://lasd.org/), they won’t be able to handle the increased workload . . .

    Talk about white flight.

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  25. EODmom Coolidge
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    Housebroken (View Comment):

    Limestone Cowboy (View Comment):
    And we’d better be prepared for an outflow of refugees.

    This.

    There’s a four square precedent: Detroit. 1974   Coleman Young, Mayor 

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  26. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This morning my blood ran cold when I heard the latest recommendation from the Minneapolis City Council: disband the police department.

    With all due respect, love, and admiration for James Lileks, the HWX guys, and other residents of the city: go for it. Show the rest of the country what life in a major city without a police force would be like. I can picture the caravan of cars fleeing, not unlike the scenes in Independence Day after the aliens showed up.

    Now, it could be they’re banking on the Sheriff’s Department to fill in, but unless it’s a metropolitan department like the LA Sheriff’s Department (https://lasd.org/), they won’t be able to handle the increased workload . . .

    Talk about white flight.

    I don’t think I’d stick around! 

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  27. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    This is eerily similar to the lawless Muslim enclaves in Sweden. And we all know how much the Democratic Socialists love the Nordic countries…

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  28. GrannyDude Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    The vast majority of Americans have never been involved in a truly violent incident.

    This. 

    It is a very nice feature, in many ways, of modern life, but the downside is that most Americans have never been in a fight, seen an animal hunted and killed, or butchered for food, have never played a real contact sport (e,g, football, rugby) and may not even have play-wrestled much as a kid—if you are one of two children in the standard, two-kid household, and the other kid is a girl…the chances are pretty good no one ever got punched in the snoot. (Whereas if you have four kids, and two of them are boys…plenty of experience with violence!) 

    So they really, really don’t know. They have no idea just how fast and merciless violence can be. They think there is time to talk, and room to negotiate. They honestly believe that bullies just need to be understood, and maybe loved. They believe that surrender is an option.

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  29. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Ralphie (View Comment):

    Basically it’s the Curley effect. Detroit did that. Withdraw services from the groups you want to push out, and then you are left with empty feral areas. It sounds as though segregation is back.

    What’s terrible is that those “feral areas” won’t be self-contained–they will be everywhere if this passes.

    That’s a feature for the planners, not a bug.

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  30. Percival Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Ralphie (View Comment):

    Basically it’s the Curley effect. Detroit did that. Withdraw services from the groups you want to push out, and then you are left with empty feral areas. It sounds as though segregation is back.

    What’s terrible is that those “feral areas” won’t be self-contained–they will be everywhere if this passes.

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