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Republicans of All Stripes Need to Vote for Trump
So, I’ve tried to be supportive of the wish to post, and I usually read through them, anti-Trump messages by our brethren here on Ricochet. I even commended one of them in a private message (gave permission for him to share if he wanted to) on one of his posts saying that I thought he was completely wrong — but doubted that I would have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for my beliefs in face of continued opposition here and respected anyone who really thought they were right who did continue to make their case and try to convince the rest of us.
That doesn’t mean I don’t think they aren’t completely barmy on how they came to their decision. But, they are convinced and willing to go against the grain, and the underdog-loving American in me respects that.
From a more intelligent man than I, here’s the case for those of us who think Trump is personally a little bit icky, but policy-wise is the answer to several prayers. I contribute a post from Daniel Pipes where he makes the case on why he is supporting Trump.
I truly can not understand, taking everything into account, how anyone here on Ricochet can seriously consider voting for any (available and with a chance to win) person other than Trump.
Okay, got to go and check and see if anything near me has been burned since last night. Have a good day everyone!
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Editor Note:
Moderators Note Edited for inappropriate language.But let’s say that good old Joe has a stellar character and horrible policy. So he may never speak an ill word of the opposing side, always try to bring us together as a nation, help old ladies cross the street, etc. But he’d still be bringing this country closer to being a socialist disaster.
And the old Joe who we have come to know over the years does not even appear to be who we would be getting, if elected, not to mention he probably would not hold the office for term, if elected.Creepy Joe who pilfered money through his son and [redacted]? He says all the niceties but he’s as corrupt as they come. Trump may not be suave and nice, but there is no corruption. These NeverTrumpers are just reactionaries with completely emotional thinking.
Right. I was giving him a LOT of leeway on character just to make a point. I’m pretty sure that Joe could give Trump a run for his money character wise if we were being truthful about things.
I just looked up Jo Jorgensen to see if she’s as wacky as most Libertarian candidates have been. I can’t tell. I had decided to hold my nose and vote for Trump in November, but if the election were held today, I’m not sure I could do it. I didn’t vote for president in 2016 because I didn’t know who was worse, Trump or HRC.
I may be back to that place. Biden is terrible and everyone he would bring in is worse. But Trump’s behavior seems to be deteriorating and the country is coming apart. DJT can’t even try to be a calming force and he has no interest in unifying us.
Yes, I’m grateful for so many of his administration’s policies, but he simply won’t get out of his own way. How will this affect the future? Not one person I know under 40 supports him or even can tolerate him.
I just don’t see how this ends well.
Have you thought about why this is what you see?
To the powers that be – is there anyway to move this back to members only? I thought I had it set to members only when I posted, but I could have mucked that up.
I really should consider posting under an alias. I don’t think I’ve gone off the deep end in saying anything, but I’m not the one that gets to determine if others feel like I have. And I like my job. I NEED my job. Not sure if this turning up in a Google search would be conducive to keeping it. How horrible is feeling like that?
Emailed info@ as well.
And back to more safe. If you know how to use the site it helps – can do this yourself by just editing the post, make a small change, and set it to members only.
And I’ve dropped using my real name.
I feel dirty. And a bit of a coward. But there we go.
Yep, I agree. He can’t get out of his own way, or be more discerning on what punches are worth punching.
But let me point out a few things.
Is Joe Biden really trying to bring the country together? Hell, is ANYONE really trying to bring the country together? Yes, Trump is President and thus should at least be pretending to care, but Joe Biden is trying to become President. He may say the occasional good thing (I don’t know, so this isn’t a statement of fact), but do you really think he wants to unite?
And as for the country coming apart – even if Trump was 100% on message about ‘we need to reach across the aisle and unite as Americans’ the enemy gets a vote too. There are a lot of people who have no interest in that, as it gets in the way of their priorities. And they will do things and say things that will divide to get their way, even if only to throw a wrench in the other side’s game plan.
Frankly, the Democrats really missed a grand opportunity. I firmly believe if they had worked Trump – being relatively nice, reaching across the aisle to him, etc. they could have gotten him to do a lot of what they wanted. But they decided to attack him – which is the one thing guaranteed to make him dig in his heels.
But one other thing we probably agree on – I don’t see how this ends well either. But I don’t see how voting 3rd party or for the Democrats helps either.
Now we can have some real discussion. @suspira says nobody under 40 that she knows can stand Trump. Why do you think that is their position? And to your point above regarding his reaction to Democrats attacking him, just remember almost all establishment types, regardless of party, attacked him. They will say it is about character or something along those lines, but my sense is that he got to know some of those people, specifically the Clintons, before he was President, he understands what they have been up to, and they don’t support him because he is working to drain the swamp. At the same time, it is clear that there has been a strong leftward movement by Democrats, that seemed to intensify since Trump’s election and Trump has come to understand that the Democrat affection for China goes well beyond trade. The under 40 group represents the successful product delivered by the federally influenced public education system feeding into the socialist oriented higher education system. This saving of America will be a very complicated process.
Yes, of course. Certainly, they’ve all been through the educational system that cranks out young progressives. But I can’t help thinking there’s more at work here than that. Most of them aren’t lefties. I think Trump repels young voters. Since I have never grasped the appeal of Trump—the enthusiasm for him personally, even before he was elected—I’m not in a position to argue with that. I’m repelled by him personally, as well.
And, like most Americans, they’re not all that into digging into issues. For most people, politicians are like art. They may not can define the ideal politician, but they know what they like. Or, in this case, what they don’t like.
I could not agree more. It was the canny move, but so often the Democrats are the gang that can’t shoot straight.
I like your response, makes a lot of sense. I don’t admire much of what I see in his behavioral style, particularly with adversaries. But I’ve heard a number of people who said they felt exactly that way do a complete turnaround upon meeting him in person. I don’t know. Many of his supporters just have to ignore that stuff and look at what he does policy wise and look at what his political opposition intends to do.
As it is with all Never Trumpers. Or so they say. George Will’s recent columns stand out. It’s all about his visceral reaction to Trump, nothing about the substance of what he does. You and Will and all the others will vote for a Democrat and their policies. You honestly believe that the implementation of those policies is a lesser evil than having to listen to a boorish person’s bombastic and disingenuous utterances. Which means that you care more about appearances than about the real-world consequences on real people of leftist policies.
I firmly believe 90%, or maybe even more, of the people who pay to be on Ricochet are going to vote for Trump. His support went way up after the Kavanaugh hearings and continued to rise until the virus debacle that has plagued leaders throughout the world. Even then, he lost little support but did have a few more vocal critics from within. That does not mean he lost their vote. If anything ever made his doubters vote GOP in the next election, it’s these crazies out on the streets intent on harming blameless people and destroying businesses . To turn this country over to Biden and the kneelers to anarchy would be a sin. By the way, we’ve never had a perfect president who didn’t have critics even in his own party. Trump is no different in that regard.
What is the most hilarious is that we’ve probably never had option one, at least in the last 100 or more years. They’ve all been human beings with flaws both reported and unreported by the press. We’ve never, in all our history, had a president who pleased all the people all the time
As bad as things look now, November is still a long way off.
The employment numbers this week point to an economic resurgence and Trump’s approval rating with blacks is way up so we’ll have to see what is the next form of an insurance policy for the socialist radicals.
Keep in mind that we do not elect a president by a national popular vote. It comes down to 50 state races, and almost every one is winner-take-all for the electoral votes. If someone lives in California or New Jersey there is no chance at all that Donald Trump is going to carry their state. So if one’s presidential vote is merely symbolic and cannot effect the race, someone who prefers Trump over Biden but much more prefers some third-party candidate they might vote for that candidate. They aren’t going to win or even come in second place, but all that vote is doing is sending a message of support anyway, because the Democrats are going to carry certain states no matter what.
There is another point of view. According to Drudge, the New York Times writes,
“But, far sooner than they expected, growing numbers of prominent Republicans are debating how far to go in revealing that they won’t back his reelection — or might even vote for Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee. They’re feeling a fresh urgency because of Trump’s incendiary response to the protests of police brutality, atop his mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic, according to people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose private discussions.
“Former President George W. Bush won’t support the reelection of Trump, and Jeb Bush isn’t sure how he’ll vote, say people familiar with their thinking. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah won’t back Trump and is deliberating whether to again write in his wife, Ann, or cast another ballot this November. And Cindy McCain, the widow of Senator John McCain, is almost certain to support Biden but is unsure how public to be about it because one of her sons is eyeing a run for office.”
I am in good company. The article goes on to note the reservations of Former Chief of Staff John Kelly and former DNI Dan Coats. More good company.
Trump’s political character is better than most — he tries to keep his promises.
As far as moral character — there are very few people of good moral character, and very few of those go into politics. You will have better luck tilting at windmills than you will have looking for politicians of good moral character. Biden certainly doesn’t have good character.
Looking for good character in a politician is like looking for a gold nugget in a outhouse. Sure it can happen but most likely you just end up with different types of excrement.
That’s what it’s all about isn’t it? Being in good company. In other words, popularity. Caring more about how you look to your peers than doing the right thing.
It’s also strange for a professed Reaganite to care what the Bushes think. They have done more than any group to derail his vision for the party and country. H.W. even insulted Reagan’s policies to his face in situations were Reagan couldn’t respond. What the first Bush presidency meant was that the Rockefeller Republican’s were back and the progressive values for FDR and Wilson would face no serious challenge.
That explains things well. You can have all those people.
The thing is, Trump is uncouth but appears to be a stand up guy in his personal life. Biden is politically suave but a complete grafter and creep in his personal life. Policy aside, I’ll take Trump.
They’re all RINOs! I guess you’ll call yourself a RINO too. ;)
Not that it means anything as I think we self-select. But all of my kids and kids-in-law and their friends are Trump supporters to varying degrees. So are most of the offspring of my friends. And most of my friends are Catholic, so they have a lot of kids. So that’s dozens and dozens. Thank heavens, not all in California so their votes might actually mean something.
Edited to add: I do have some nieces and nephews who worked on the Bernie campaign. The main issue was student debt forgiveness. As I’ve told them to their face, I’ll leave the country, I’ll change my name, I’ll fake my own death before I will pay one penny towards their student debt forgiveness.
But they also know if they need a place to stay or any help at all, I should be their first call.
Just about my entire son’s fifth grade class supports Trump. ;)