Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Republicans of All Stripes Need to Vote for Trump

 

So, I’ve tried to be supportive of the wish to post, and I usually read through them, anti-Trump messages by our brethren here on Ricochet. I even commended one of them in a private message (gave permission for him to share if he wanted to) on one of his posts saying that I thought he was completely wrong — but doubted that I would have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for my beliefs in face of continued opposition here and respected anyone who really thought they were right who did continue to make their case and try to convince the rest of us.

That doesn’t mean I don’t think they aren’t completely barmy on how they came to their decision. But, they are convinced and willing to go against the grain, and the underdog-loving American in me respects that.

From a more intelligent man than I, here’s the case for those of us who think Trump is personally a little bit icky, but policy-wise is the answer to several prayers. I contribute a post from Daniel Pipes where he makes the case on why he is supporting Trump.

I truly can not understand, taking everything into account, how anyone here on Ricochet can seriously consider voting for any (available and with a chance to win) person other than Trump.

Okay, got to go and check and see if anything near me has been burned since last night. Have a good day everyone!

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  1. E. Kent Golding Member

    I always try to vote for the least worst alternative. As the Democratic Party moves farther and farther left, and becomes more and more Anti-American and hostile to Christianity, I end up voting for marginally better people and parties that I don’t really like either.

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    • June 4, 2020, at 11:48 AM PDT
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  2. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    Maguffin:

     barmy

    Way out of left-field question, but are you a Planescape fan? I’ve rarely heard that word except in certain geeky contexts, or British shows.

     

     

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    • June 4, 2020, at 11:52 AM PDT
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  3. Bob Thompson Member

    I was never as opposed to Trump as Pipes but I was reluctant and was ready to support any of the Republicans against Clinton. I was a Cruz supporter until Trump was it. One thing he espoused that I liked was his position that China had been taking advantage and abusing America in trade dealings and he was going to change that.

    Here’s a comment I just posted on another thread related to recent events:

    #BlackLivesMatter is a movement designed to change or affect the political environment than it is to help black people improve their conditions. I can’t say that about Kaepernick, in his original effort and method, but now they will probably be merged into a single political movement. I don’t even know that the BlackLivesMatter original formation was for a legitimate purpose, but it is surely corrupted today. All of these movements are now being used to try to get the White House and the Congress back in Democrat hands so the Deep State Bureaucracy can be preserved and grown more powerful in accord with recent past trends. Black people are being used as part of the effort to stop President Trump from draining the swamp.

    Democrats will do anything to accomplish the removal of Donald Trump from the White House.

     

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    • June 4, 2020, at 11:55 AM PDT
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  4. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    I am a lifetime Democrat. I just voted for Bernie in my primary. November is yet to be determined.

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    • June 4, 2020, at 12:05 PM PDT
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  5. E. Kent Golding Member

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    I am a lifetime Democrat. I just voted for Bernie in my primary. November is yet to be determined.

    Yeah, right.

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    • June 4, 2020, at 12:08 PM PDT
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  6. Richard Fulmer Member

    Trump will not win if he doesn’t clean up his behavior. Full stop.

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    • June 4, 2020, at 12:37 PM PDT
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  7. Maguffin Member
    Maguffin

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Maguffin:

    barmy

    Way out of left-field question, but are you a Planescape fan? I’ve rarely heard that word except in certain geeky contexts, or British shows.

    Well, I’m a geek of long standing. Nay, I’m a nerd, as in the original Revenge of the. I became a geek later, but I was always a nerd. And I dabbled in D&D back in the 80s, but don’t remember if we ever did Planescape. I’m pretty sure I played the original video game, since I probably played everything like it, but after so many years and so many games – I must not have liked it enough to have it stick out.

    But I’ve always had an appreciation for British humor as well. And I thought that was a good way to represent how I felt about the thinking. 

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    • June 4, 2020, at 12:39 PM PDT
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  8. EODmom Coolidge

    I’ve had my share of employees and associates who I didn’t want to invite home for family dinner – including some who were passed on to my group without my agreement. But most of them did the job they were hired to do. I’ve thought for about the last 3 + years that I must be the only one in the world who ever had to cope with someone they didn’t “like.” Trump is doing the job I hired him to do. I’ll vote for him and work for him and other Republican candidates in NH. It’s pretty important.

    added: And I’ll give all my money directly to local candidates. The RNC doesn’t report to me so they can’t be trusted with my money.

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    • June 4, 2020, at 12:43 PM PDT
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  9. Bob Thompson Member

    We can expect the Democrats to do everything possible from now to November to discredit AG William Barr and the DoJ investigation of all the wrongdoing by the FBI, DoJ, and the CIA trying to undo President Trump’s election. The Democrat Party itself and it’s election candidates will try to distance themselves from the virus lockdowns, the #BlackLivesMatter riots and vandalism, and direct as much negative to the President as possible in their effort to stop the swamp draining. Some Republicans might be helping with that effort because it is more a politician thing than a Party thing. Let’s hope and pray that by November voters come to their senses like they did in 2016.

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  10. Joshua Bissey Coolidge

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    #BlackLivesMatter is a movement designed to change or affect the political environment than it is to help black people improve their conditions. I can’t say that about Kaepernick, in his original effort and method, but now they will probably be merged into a single political movement. I don’t even know that the BlackLivesMatter original formation was for a legitimate purpose, but it is surely corrupted today.

    The movement was racist from the start, which is apparent if we look at some salient facts.

    1. The phrase, and the movement, came about after Zimmerman had been tried and acquitted. That is, after the facts had come out, and we had every reason to believe Zimmerman legally used lethal force to defend himself from an attacker. It was never about seeking justice. It was a demand for special treatment.
    2. The movement really took off after a police officer legally defended himself from assault by a violent felon. In the immediate aftermath of the Ferguson incident, it was possible they were acting in good faith, but so far as I know, the leadership has never admitted they were wrong about the two incidents on which the movement was founded.
    3. Though BLM has sometimes defended victims of actual police brutality, their founding, and refusal to admit past wrongs, illustrates their demand is special treatment for black people. Their message is, if you are not black, or if you are in law enforcement, you should be punished for using lethal force against a black assailant, even if you would be legally justified in using the same level of force against a non-black assailant. As the name implies, black lives are more important than others.
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  11. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    I am a lifetime Democrat. I just voted for Bernie in my primary. November is yet to be determined.

    Yeah, right.

    What is that about? You doubt I am a lifetime Democrat? or that I voted for Bernie? or I am not sure who I will vote for in November?

     

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  12. Bob Thompson Member

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    #BlackLivesMatter is a movement designed to change or affect the political environment than it is to help black people improve their conditions. I can’t say that about Kaepernick, in his original effort and method, but now they will probably be merged into a single political movement. I don’t even know that the BlackLivesMatter original formation was for a legitimate purpose, but it is surely corrupted today.

    The movement was racist from the start, which is apparent if we look at some salient facts.

    1. The phrase, and the movement, came about after Zimmerman had been tried and acquitted. That is, after the facts had come out, and we had every reason to believe Zimmerman legally used lethal force to defend himself from an attacker. It was never about seeking justice. It was a demand for special treatment.
    2. The movement really took off after a police officer legally defended himself from assault by a violent felon. At the beginning, it was possible they were acting in good faith, but so far as I know, the leadership has never admitted they were wrong about the two incidents on which the movement was founded.
    3. Though BLM has sometimes defended victims of actual police brutality, their founding, and refusal to admit past wrongs, illustrates their demand is special treatment for black people. Their message is, if you are not black, or if you are in law enforcement, you should be punished for using lethal force against a black assailant, even if you would be legally justified in using the same level of force against a non-black assailant. As the name implies, black lives are more important than others.

     

    But none of this means anything to the Democrat Party beyond advantage to be gained in the election process. The Democrat Party has shown this to be true from the results of over half a century in all the major metropolitan cities that they have managed over that time period. All of the issues being protested now have emerged under the watchful eyes of Democrats. If Democrats ever get every branch of the federal government under their control we’ll be in deep water.

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  13. Stad Thatcher

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Trump will not win if he doesn’t clean up his behavior. Full stop.

    He didn’t do it before 2016. I think his behavior is irrelevant when it comes to results. Compared to Biden, Trump has what it takes to get us through a big mess. Biden will appoint blue-ribbon commissions staffed by leftists to study the problems and come up with progressive solutions. This is why Trump must win in November, and win big . . .

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  14. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    #BlackLivesMatter is a movement designed to change or affect the political environment than it is to help black people improve their conditions. I can’t say that about Kaepernick, in his original effort and method, but now they will probably be merged into a single political movement. I don’t even know that the BlackLivesMatter original formation was for a legitimate purpose, but it is surely corrupted today.

    The movement was racist from the start, which is apparent if we look at some salient facts.

    1. The phrase, and the movement, came about after Zimmerman had been tried and acquitted. That is, after the facts had come out, and we had every reason to believe Zimmerman legally used lethal force to defend himself from an attacker. It was never about seeking justice. It was a demand for special treatment.
    2. The movement really took off after a police officer legally defended himself from assault by a violent felon. In the immediate aftermath of the Ferguson incident, it was possible they were acting in good faith, but so far as I know, the leadership has never admitted they were wrong about the two incidents on which the movement was founded.
    3. Though BLM has sometimes defended victims of actual police brutality, their founding, and refusal to admit past wrongs, illustrates their demand is special treatment for black people. Their message is, if you are not black, or if you are in law enforcement, you should be punished for using lethal force against a black assailant, even if you would be legally justified in using the same level of force against a non-black assailant. As the name implies, black lives are more important than others.

    There is also the fact that the ideology they subscribe to (intersectionality/critical theory/wokism) is an inherently racist one.

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  15. Richard Fulmer Member

    Stad (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Trump will not win if he doesn’t clean up his behavior. Full stop.

    He didn’t do it before 2016. I think his behavior is irrelevant when it comes to results. Compared to Biden, Trump has what it takes to get us through a big mess. Biden will apoint blue-ribbon commissions staffed by leftists to study the problems and come up with progressive solutions. This is why Trump must win in November, and win big . . .

    Regardless of what must happen, if nothing changes what will happen is a Democratic sweep of the House, the Senate, and the White House.

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  16. E. Kent Golding Member

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    I am a lifetime Democrat. I just voted for Bernie in my primary. November is yet to be determined.

    Yeah, right.

    What is that about? You doubt I am a lifetime Democrat? or that I voted for Bernie? or I am not sure who I will vote for in November?

     

    Bingo!

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  17. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    Maguffin: I truly can not understand, taking everything into account, how anyone here on Ricochet can seriously consider voting for any (available and with a chance to win) person other than Trump.

    So you are saying we shouldn’t vote for the corrupt senile rapist, Joe Biden? 

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  18. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Things change.

    What is considered an absolute disaster today comes to be seen differently with the passage of time when more information brings clarity to what had happened weeks ago.

    The actions taken by governments to the Covid-19 virus are now seen as being a serious overreaction today with the benefit of hindsight.

    The public perception today to the spontaneous protests which have morphed into well organized rioting and looting, may very well not be the same today as the perception will be in November with five months time to process what happened and what is the best course of action moving forward into the future.

    Example: If we went with conventional wisdom in the throws of the current civil unrest, maybe Antifa should run the Country and maybe defunding all police departments could solve all our problems?

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  19. Manny Member

    The NeverTrumpers are incorrigible. You won’t convince them. They would have accepted a Hillary presidency. But to those still unsure now but are not “Never,” here’s the question. Is the country better off with Joe Biden and the leftists he will appoint making the decisions? And by decisions it would include appointments to the judiciary and SCOTUS, the level of socialism in our healthcare system, income taxes, and funding and support for abortion. Do you really think Biden can even hold off the AOC wing of the party? If you have half a brain and a conservative heart, you really don’t have a choice.

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  20. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Manny (View Comment):

    The NeverTrumpers are incorrigible. You won’t convince them. They would have accepted a Hillary presidency. But to those still unsure now but are not “Never,” here’s the question. Is the country better off with Joe Biden and the leftists he will appoint making the decisions? And by decisions it would include appointments to the judiciary and SCOTUS, the level of socialism in our healthcare system, income taxes, and funding and support for abortion. Do you really think Biden can even hold off the AOC wing of the party? If you have half a brain and a conservative heart, you really don’t have a choice.

    At this point maybe a Democrat is a better choice. Trump has managed to crash the greatest economy of all time, mishandle a pandemic by shutting down the country, created an unemployment rate not seen in a lifetime and started race riots that have a dozen or so US cities in flames nightly for a week. His administration/ cabinet/ government seems to be in open rebellion against him. I am having a hard time seeing how the NeverTrump are all that wrong.

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  21. Maguffin Member
    Maguffin

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    The NeverTrumpers are incorrigible. You won’t convince them. They would have accepted a Hillary presidency. But to those still unsure now but are not “Never,” here’s the question. Is the country better off with Joe Biden and the leftists he will appoint making the decisions? And by decisions it would include appointments to the judiciary and SCOTUS, the level of socialism in our healthcare system, income taxes, and funding and support for abortion. Do you really think Biden can even hold off the AOC wing of the party? If you have half a brain and a conservative heart, you really don’t have a choice.

    At this point maybe a Democrat is a better choice. Trump has managed to crash the greatest economy of all time, mishandle a pandemic by shutting down the country, created an unemployment rate not seen in a lifetime and started race riots that have a dozen or so US cities in flames nightly for a week. His administration/ cabinet/ government seems to be in open rebellion against him. I am having a hard time seeing how the NeverTrump are all that wrong.

    Well, that’s one way of looking at it. The ‘greatest economy of all time’ was guided by Trump and his team. The pandemic would have likely thrown any President for a loop (so having someone else in probably wouldn’t have gotten any better result), and contrary to the fascist he is portrayed as he allowed a lot of leeway for more local governments to tailor their reactions (and which governments did the worst on that? Democrats). Yet, he was always pushing people to reopen as soon as possible. And for the unemployment rate – well all of these first complaints about him are intertwined in cause and effect – but breaking them into individual seemingly separate items let’s you point at them as if they were separate.

    And I think the ‘race riots’ could have happened to any President as well – he didn’t actually ‘start’ them. As a society we seem to be pretty good at doing that ourselves. I can think of at least a couple that have happened earlier in my life under different Presidents.

    Now the last one. Oh, the last one. Here I can sympathize a little with this view – but then I remember that anyone who has spent a good portion of their life working in government gets really used to how that all works. And then along comes the bull in your particular china shop. Yeah, wouldn’t make me happy either. So there could be a lot of that – you haven’t listened to us, how dare you! 

    But, I hate his tweets, even the ones that make me laugh. I hate how he listens to some of his family just because they are family. I hate how loyalty may not be a two-way street with him. But he has my vote.

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  22. Gary Robbins Reagan

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    Trump will not win if he doesn’t clean up his behavior. Full stop.

    He didn’t do it before 2016. I think his behavior is irrelevant when it comes to results. Compared to Biden, Trump has what it takes to get us through a big mess. Biden will apoint blue-ribbon commissions staffed by leftists to study the problems and come up with progressive solutions. This is why Trump must win in November, and win big . . .

    Regardless of what must happen, if nothing changes what will happen is a Democratic sweep of the House, the Senate, and the White House.

    Not only will the Democrats flip the Senate Seats in AZ, CO, ME and NC, but at the rate things are going, the Dems will also flip GA (Special), IA, KS, KY, MT and SC. This would be a huge disaster, given that in 2022, we have 20 Senate Seats to defend and the Dems only have 12 Senate Seats to defend. Numerous legislatures will now be controlled by the Democrats who will redistrict their congressional districts leading us to a decade of Democrat dominance.

    In 2020, when Bernie broke into the lead, Klobuchar and Buttigieg both withdrew after the SC primary, but in 2016, we did not have candidates with the good sense to withdraw and unite behind Cruz. After we were wiped out in the suburbs in 2018, did we allow for a Replace Trump movement? We did not. We cancelled primary elections in the Soviet states of Arizona, Kansas, Nevada, and South Carolina, if memory serves. The DNC were pikers when it came to putting their thumb on the scale to support Hillary in 2016, compared to how the RNC debased itself and lashed itself to the Trump Campaign in 2020.

    When Trump tried to bribe Ukraine’s President on July 25, 2019, Republicans did not take the stance that Trump did something wrong, but it did not rise to the level of impeachment as Senate Democrats did in 1998; instead all but one of Republican Senators sold their souls by refusing to hear from witnesses, and not rebutting Trump’s argument that his call was “perfect.” We richly deserve to be lead into the political wilderness so that we can rid our party of Trump and Trumpism.

    If we are lucky, the public will trust us again in 2024, after it took while for the public to trust Republicans after Joe McCarthy. But I am guessing that we will be looking at one term of Joe Biden and then one or two terms of Biden’s Vice President who ascends to become America’s first FEMALE President.

    Actually the thing that will best lead the public will be for Trump to face the numerous lawsuits and criminal investigations that are paused only due to him holding the presidency. That will give us room to make a sharp break from Trump and Trumpism, just as there weren’t a lot of Nixon promoters after he resigned. Nothing stinks quit as much as a loser, especially a loser who keeps losing in Court.

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  23. Stad Thatcher

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Trump has managed to crash the greatest economy of all time,

    Baloney. You might as well accuse him of making the virus in the White House basement. He did not mishandle the virus response, and it was Trump and his policies that gave us the greatest employment rate of all time. The virus and the actions of the governors killed the economy and gave us the record unemployment. Go ahead and vote for Good Ol’ Joe . . .

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  24. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Stad (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Trump has managed to crash the greatest economy of all time,

    Baloney. You might as well accuse him of making the virus in the White House basement. He did not mishandle the virus response, and it was Trump and his policies that gave us the greatest employment rate of all time. The virus and the actions of the governors killed the economy and gave us the record unemployment. Go ahead and vote for Good Ol’ Joe . . .

    No he did not create the virus. This issue is how he responded to it by crashing the world and then setting it on fire. We are not even discussion the total lack of spending control and I am still waiting on a wall to be built much less Mexico paying for it. I do have to give him credit for $1 gas. That is easy. Just destroy the worlds economy.

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  25. Bob Thompson Member

    Sorry @scottrarden, getting much redirection trash here now.

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  26. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Trump has managed to crash the greatest economy of all time,

    Baloney. You might as well accuse him of making the virus in the White House basement. He did not mishandle the virus response, and it was Trump and his policies that gave us the greatest employment rate of all time. The virus and the actions of the governors killed the economy and gave us the record unemployment. Go ahead and vote for Good Ol’ Joe . . .

    No he did not create the virus. This issue is how he responded to it by crashing the world and then setting it on fire. We are not even discussion the total lack of spending control and I am still waiting on a wall to be built much less Mexico paying for it. I do have to give him credit for $1 gas. That is easy. Just destroy the worlds economy.

    There is exactly zero chance any politician much less Trump was not going to have the CDC issue stay at home orders back in March based on what was happening in europe and asia.

    In fact, the massive Trump failure as defined by the MSM/(D) at the time was that Trump’s CDC issued the stay at home order too late. Moreover, Trump was nearly crucified when he suggested the stay at home/back to work would hopefully end by Easter. Trump has always known the ramifications of the shut down and has taken serious criticism bordering on accusations he is a murderer for suggesting the Country get back to work

    As I’ve stated above, #18 everyone is an expert weeks and months after the events and the decisions were made.

    One place to look to the future today is to see what people are doing with their money (ie: how are the financial markets reacting today 06/05/2020 as Trump is”crashing the world and then setting it on fire.” (ie: the financial experts charged with investing the worlds money don’t quite see it the way you do).

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  27. Gary Robbins Reagan

    The post states:

    “From a more intelligent man than I, here’s the case for those of us who think Trump is personally a little bit icky, but policy wise is the answer to several prayers. I contribute a post from Daniel Pipes where he makes the case on why he is supporting Trump.

    “http://www.danielpipes.org/19529/a-reluctant-but-unhesitating-vote-for-donald-trump”

    I agree, it is very well written. Trump has been right on policy. My issue is character.

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  28. Maguffin Member
    Maguffin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The post states:

    “From a more intelligent man than I, here’s the case for those of us who think Trump is personally a little bit icky, but policy wise is the answer to several prayers. I contribute a post from Daniel Pipes where he makes the case on why he is supporting Trump.

    “http://www.danielpipes.org/19529/a-reluctant-but-unhesitating-vote-for-donald-trump”

    I agree, it is very well written. Trump has been right on policy. My issue is character.

    And that’s where I’ve never been able to follow the logic of not voting for Trump. Not gleefully, with a victory BBQ and dance thrown right after, voting, just simply voting for Trump.

    Here are the possible set of options (exaggerated to simplify of course, cause this as with many things is wide range of options) if all were available:

    1) Candidate A – stellar character, stellar policy

    2) Candidate B – horrible character, stellar policy

    3) Candidate C – stellar character, horrible policy

    4) Candidate D – horrible character, horrible policy

    So if all 4 options were available, we’d obviously all be voting Candidate A, and all singing praises to each other in every post on Ricochet for our discerning decision.

    So, where do we slot the two options with a possibility of winning in the matrix above? Most of us wouldn’t put Trump in position 1, and it sounds like you wouldn’t put him in position 4. So, does that put Trump in position 2? 

    And where does Joe Biden fall in the above? Personally, I could only place him in position 4 – with the addition that policy wise he is getting worse as time goes on in his campaign.

    So, your options are the candidate with horrible character and stellar policy, or the candidate who is horrible in both.

    Yes, you could write in, vote 3rd party, etc. but then you are basically voting Biden because in normal times you would vote Republican. Hey, I voted for Perot my first vote out of the gate, so I probably shouldn’t throw stones on that kind of decision.

    But let’s say that good old Joe has a stellar character and horrible policy. So he may never speak an ill word of the opposing side, always try to bring us together as a nation, help old ladies cross the street, etc. But he’d still be bringing this country closer to being a socialist disaster. 

    Even back in the 80s, I think we could have said that there were enough Democrats with some shreds of sanity left that if we bought a little time we could reverse the damage done. Now? I’m not so sure.

    So yes, I don’t think Trump has stellar policies. Many things I wish were being done differently (usually in a more so sense). But the alternative? Nope.

     

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  29. Bob Thompson Member

    Maguffin (View Comment):

    But let’s say that good old Joe has a stellar character and horrible policy. So he may never speak an ill word of the opposing side, always try to bring us together as a nation, help old ladies cross the street, etc. But he’d still be bringing this country closer to being a socialist disaster. 

     

    And the old Joe who we have come to know over the years does not even appear to be who we would be getting, if elected, not to mention he probably would not hold the office for term, if elected.

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  30. Manny Member

    Maguffin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The post states:

    “From a more intelligent man than I, here’s the case for those of us who think Trump is personally a little bit icky, but policy wise is the answer to several prayers. I contribute a post from Daniel Pipes where he makes the case on why he is supporting Trump.

    “http://www.danielpipes.org/19529/a-reluctant-but-unhesitating-vote-for-donald-trump”

    I agree, it is very well written. Trump has been right on policy. My issue is character.

    And that’s where I’ve never been able to follow the logic of not voting for Trump. Not gleefully, with a victory BBQ and dance thrown right after, voting, just simply voting for Trump.

    Here are the possible set of options (exaggerated to simplify of course, cause this as with many things is wide range of options) if all were available:

    1) Candidate A – stellar character, stellar policy

    2) Candidate B – horrible character, stellar policy

    3) Candidate C – stellar character, horrible policy

    4) Candidate D – horrible character, horrible policy

    So if all 4 options were available, we’d obviously all be voting Candidate A, and all singing praises to each other in every post on Ricochet for our discerning decision.

    So, where do we slot the two options with a possibility of winning in the matrix above? Most of us wouldn’t put Trump in position 1, and it sounds like you wouldn’t put him in position 4. So, does that put Trump in position 2?

    And where does Joe Biden fall in the above? Personally, I could only place him in position 4 – with the addition that policy wise he is getting worse as time goes on in his campaign.

    So, your options are the candidate with horrible character and stellar policy, or the candidate who is horrible in both.

    Yes, you could write in, vote 3rd party, etc. but then you are basically voting Biden because in normal times you would vote Republican. Hey, I voted for Perot my first vote out of the gate, so I probably shouldn’t throw stones on that kind of decision.

    But let’s say that good old Joe has a stellar character and horrible policy. So he may never speak an ill word of the opposing side, always try to bring us together as a nation, help old ladies cross the street, etc. But he’d still be bringing this country closer to being a socialist disaster.

    Even back in the 80s, I think we could have said that there were enough Democrats with some shreds of sanity left that if we bought a little time we could reverse the damage done. Now? I’m not so sure.

    So yes, I don’t think Trump has stellar policies. Many things I wish were being done differently (usually in a more so sense). But the alternative? Nope.

     

    Excellent! I really like the way you framed it.

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    • June 5, 2020, at 8:12 PM PDT
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