“Shoot ‘Em In The Leg”

 

Joe Biden offered up some training advice for our nation’s police officers. Around the one minute mark in the video above, the Democrat’s likely nominee gave an example of what they can do better. For instance, if an “unarmed person” is coming at you “with a knife,” police should shoot him in the leg, not the chest.

In the past, Biden suggested that you could defend your home by firing a shotgun in the air, which I guess is supposed to scare the intruder away.  Now he is suggesting that you could neutralize a criminal by shooting their leg. Perhaps that could work in some cases, but legs are hard to hit. They move in a way a torso doesn’t and there are two of them, so if you aim for the middle you just might miss. And if that guy with a knife also has a gun on him? Well, he can still shoot you after you wound his leg.

I am certainly no gun expert, but shooting accurately while under pressure is a little more difficult than what you see in old cowboy movies. Rather than aiming for the leg, why not train the police to aim for the knife itself, and hit it in a way that it will fly out of the perpetrator’s hand and spin around until it cuts the rope that is holding up the chandelier. Then the chandelier will fall on the criminal’s head, knocking him out cold. Sounds like a workable plan.

PS. Looking at the background I wonder if Liberals are still looking to remove tax-exempt status from churches that mention politics?

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  1. Eridemus Coolidge
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    I was noticing that background also. Wasn’t it just this morning that there were bishops, & the press of course, having a fit over Trump standing in front of a damaged church across from the White House as he made some comments and held up a bible? And I was thinking….wait, aren’t the social progs always using churches themselves? Who gets to decide who gets to do that anyway?

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  2. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Having a knife is being Armed, Joe.

     

     

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  3. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I’m surprised he didn’t also suggest allowing the bad guys with guns to take the first shot, like the sheriff used to do in the Saturday matinees when I was a kid.

    Hey, it worked for the Lone Ranger. Plus, he always shot the weapon out of the bad guy’s hand every time. See? Problem solved.

    I actually had a discussion with a liberal city council member that was putting that method action.  Special type of stupid.

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  4. Vance Richards Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I’m surprised he didn’t also suggest allowing the bad guys with guns to take the first shot, like the sheriff used to do in the Saturday matinees when I was a kid.

    Hey, it worked for the Lone Ranger. Plus, he always shot the weapon out of the bad guy’s hand every time. See? Problem solved.

    I actually had a discussion with a liberal city council member that was putting that method action. Special type of stupid.

    That’s why Sheriff Bart hired the Waco Kid . . .

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  5. Quietpi Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    You carry hollow points, especially in urban areas because military ball ammunition is designed to penetrate more than one human being.

    Except in San Francisco.  All ammunition except for FMJ / round nose is outlawed.  That’s because San Francisco is such a humane, crime – free city, don’t ya know.

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  6. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    There is a reason LEOs and military people are trained to aim for the center of mass.

    Just wanted to highlight that a bit.  When I took the class for license to carry in Texas, the instructor told us that as an LTC holder the only shot we were legally approved to take (if we had to shoot) is at the center of mass. Trying to hit anything peripheral could increase danger to an innocent bystander.

     

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  7. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Joe Biden spouting off about more things he knows nothing about.

    The following could be a campaign ad for Trump if it didn’t bring back such painful memories about the evil Biden, Kennedy, among other leftist/Democrats perpetrated on Justice Thomas.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/clarence-thomas-revisits-joe-bidens-questions-confirmation-hearing-1272160

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  8. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Biden is an expert at shooting himself in the foot and mistakenly believes that everyone has his level of skill.

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  9. Western Chauvinist Member
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    And ending “stop and frisk” was a benefit to whom?? Certainly not the people of New York experiencing increased crime rates.

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  10. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Oh, and if we had a more competent pope, the bishop that allowed Biden to make that stump speech in the sanctuary, before the altar (and, presumably the tabernacle), would receive a serious smack-down.

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  11. Quietpi Member
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    @dougwatt, talk to me about this engaging through the windshield.  I’ve now seen it in several body cam videos.  It has been a long time since I’ve had that type of training.  “Back then,” it was believed that the round would be deformed and erratic.  Of course, back then, it was also assumed, well, known, that the 9mm if the time might not penetrate at all.  

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  12. Stad Coolidge
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    I thought Biden said you could shoot a shotgun through the front door if someone was trying to break in.

    One thing that gets my goat is this concept of “unarmed”.  Unarmed does not mean nondangerous.  Think of a man with a build like an NFL linebacker, then think about how much damage he could do to your body – Michael Brown being the perfect example.  A man can also appear to be unarmed, but his mannerisms and threatening gestures might suggest he has some heat to back it up.

    Let’s not even get started about how dangerous an unarmed man on drugs can be . . .

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  13. Bill Nelson Inactive
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    Good friend of mine was SWAT. They are told that a perpetrator can still advance up to 15 feet and cause harm with a knife after  fatal wound.  They are trained to shoot until the problem goes away. They are also trained to be damned sure they need to shoot. Someone stealing sneakers doe not need to be shot.

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  14. Vance Richards Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):
    Let’s not even get started about how dangerous an unarmed man on drugs can be . . .

    Years ago, I was living in Seattle and there were large protests after a deputy shot a man and there were cries for police to use non lethal force.

     Shortly after that another deputy was trying to subdue an unarmed naked man. With the prior shooting still in the news he pulled out his pepper spray. The naked guy ended up grabbing the deputy’s gun and killed him with his own weapon. So yes, even when someone has no weapon, they can still represent a deadly threat.

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  15. Lockdowns Are Precious Inactive
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    A head shot to Biden is now a wound to a non critical area. A shot to his wallet on the the other hand…

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  16. Henry Racette Member
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    Lockdowns Are Precious (View Comment):

    A head shot to Biden is now a wound to a non critical area. A shot to his wallet on the the other hand…

    I don’t like the guy either, but this strikes me as being in poor taste.

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  17. Arahant Member
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    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    Someone stealing sneakers doe not need to be shot.

    While I understand that sentiment, I question it. That person stealing sneakers is doing much, much more harm than is visible. It is akin to the economic idea of velocity. At the end of the chain, people starve, not from one pair of sneakers, but from thousands across the country and the world. (I am writing a longer essay on this. Coming soon!)

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  18. Arahant Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Lockdowns Are Precious (View Comment):

    A head shot to Biden is now a wound to a non critical area. A shot to his wallet on the the other hand…

    I don’t like the guy either, but this strikes me as being in poor taste.

    That is Pseud’s speciality.

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  19. Miffed White Male Member
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    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Good friend of mine was SWAT. They are told that a perpetrator can still advance up to 15 feet and cause harm with a knife after fatal wound. They are trained to shoot until the problem goes away. They are also trained to be damned sure they need to shoot. Someone stealing sneakers doe not need to be shot.

    People looting and rioting need to be shot.

     

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  20. Henry Racette Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Good friend of mine was SWAT. They are told that a perpetrator can still advance up to 15 feet and cause harm with a knife after fatal wound. They are trained to shoot until the problem goes away. They are also trained to be damned sure they need to shoot. Someone stealing sneakers doe not need to be shot.

    People looting and rioting need to be shot.

     

    Well, arrested, at least. It would be nice to see the rule of law maintained.

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  21. Bill Nelson Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    Someone stealing sneakers doe not need to be shot.

    While I understand that sentiment, I question it. That person stealing sneakers is doing much, much more harm than is visible. It is akin to the economic idea of velocity. At the end of the chain, people starve, not from one pair of sneakers, but from thousands across the country and the world. (I am writing a longer essay on this. Coming soon!)

    The “rule” as it is supposed to be applied is the officer should not utilize more force that would cause more harm than the suspect would be inflicted with if convicted of the crime.

    Now, if a suspect engages in a physical confrontation, then the stake go up quickly. But in this case, the subject was subdued, was handcuffed, and there were 4 officers present. If the suspect presents no danger to the community, then a physical conflict should be avoided.

     

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  22. Miffed White Male Member
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    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    Someone stealing sneakers doe not need to be shot.

    While I understand that sentiment, I question it. That person stealing sneakers is doing much, much more harm than is visible. It is akin to the economic idea of velocity. At the end of the chain, people starve, not from one pair of sneakers, but from thousands across the country and the world. (I am writing a longer essay on this. Coming soon!)

    The “rule” as it is supposed to be applied is the officer should not utilize more force that would cause more harm than the suspect would be inflicted with if convicted of the crime.

    Now, if a suspect engages in a physical confrontation, then the stake go up quickly. But in this case, the subject was subdued, was handcuffed, and there were 4 officers present. If the suspect presents no danger to the community, then a physical conflict should be avoided.

     

    I subscribe to the broken windows theory of policing.  There is no little stuff, because it leads to bigger stuff.

    It’s like the “we don’t stop shoplifters” videos from California from a  few weeks ago, where people would just walk into a store, sweep shelf-loads of stuff (i.e. cosmetics) into a bag and walk out, with no one trying to stop them.

    Are the cosmetics themselves a big deal, worth getting in a  physical confrontation for?  No, not really.  But the breakdown of order that the action represents is a huge deal.

    Everything happens at the margins.  When you move the line of what is acceptable behavior, the line keeps moving.

    We need a lot more judgmentalism in society, not less.

     

     

     

     

     

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  23. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    Someone stealing sneakers doe not need to be shot.

    While I understand that sentiment, I question it. That person stealing sneakers is doing much, much more harm than is visible. It is akin to the economic idea of velocity. At the end of the chain, people starve, not from one pair of sneakers, but from thousands across the country and the world. (I am writing a longer essay on this. Coming soon!)

    Agree. No business is reopening in those torched neighborhoods for a generation. Groceries, medications, and other essentials are now going to be at a more distant remove from people who can ill afford to make the trip to acquire them. It’s just devastating to the most vulnerable. 

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  24. Lockdowns Are Precious Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Lockdowns Are Precious (View Comment):

    A head shot to Biden is now a wound to a non critical area. A shot to his wallet on the the other hand…

    I don’t like the guy either, but this strikes me as being in poor taste.

    The comment is clearly tongue in cheek as Biden is clearly not swimming with both oars in the water. I make it a habit to never listen to masked men giving me firearms advice but asking them to put their hands in the air and taking their wallet, instead of the American taxpayer, will get a very different reaction.

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  25. Lockdowns Are Precious Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Lockdowns Are Precious (View Comment):

    A head shot to Biden is now a wound to a non critical area. A shot to his wallet on the the other hand…

    I don’t like the guy either, but this strikes me as being in poor taste.

    That is Pseud’s speciality.

    Specialty. Unless you’re British.

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  26. Arahant Member
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    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    Someone stealing sneakers doe not need to be shot.

    While I understand that sentiment, I question it. That person stealing sneakers is doing much, much more harm than is visible. It is akin to the economic idea of velocity. At the end of the chain, people starve, not from one pair of sneakers, but from thousands across the country and the world. (I am writing a longer essay on this. Coming soon!)

    The “rule” as it is supposed to be applied is the officer should not utilize more force that would cause more harm than the suspect would be inflicted with if convicted of the crime.

    Now, if a suspect engages in a physical confrontation, then the stake go up quickly. But in this case, the subject was subdued, was handcuffed, and there were 4 officers present. If the suspect presents no danger to the community, then a physical conflict should be avoided.

    I understand the rule quite well, Bill. But I also understand the real costs, which that sneaker-stealer does not. He is guilty of manslaughter, although he knows it not. He is stealing food from the mouths of babes, although he knows it not. He shouldn’t be shot for stealing sneakers. He should be shot for being the type of person who reckons not the cost of his actions, either before or after. He has no “malice aforethought,” since this creature does not think of anything beyond himself, this moment, and his next score. In a perfect world, we could educate him on the truth of economics. In a perfect world, we can be compassionate. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world and there are too many of him to deal with compassionately.

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  27. Arahant Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Everything happens at the margins. When you move the line of what is acceptable behavior, the line keeps moving.

    We need a lot more judgmentalism in society, not less.

    Exactly.

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  28. Arahant Member
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    Lockdowns Are Precious (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Lockdowns Are Precious (View Comment):

    A head shot to Biden is now a wound to a non critical area. A shot to his wallet on the the other hand…

    I don’t like the guy either, but this strikes me as being in poor taste.

    That is Pseud’s speciality.

    Specialty. Unless you’re British.

    I thought the British went better in this instance, like Wallace from Wallace and Gromit.

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  29. Lockdowns Are Precious Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Lockdowns Are Precious (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Lockdowns Are Precious (View Comment):

    A head shot to Biden is now a wound to a non critical area. A shot to his wallet on the the other hand…

    I don’t like the guy either, but this strikes me as being in poor taste.

    That is Pseud’s speciality.

    Specialty. Unless you’re British.

    I thought the British went better in this instance, like Wallace from Wallace and Gromit.

    Attack of the WereRabbit.

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  30. Lockdowns Are Precious Inactive
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    I hate to take a break from the cross fire but I thought this discussion of the 21 foot principle is likely apt:

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