Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. The life of an “internet bigot”

 

My name is Jeff Hawkins, my twitter handle (and formerly here) is Crapgame13 (Don Rickles in Kelly’s Heroes plus my lucky number). If you look up Crapgame13, some accounts that are Crapgame13 are me, some are not. Most have my name attached.

On the internet, I’m accused of being a bigot. Here’s what that’s like in the day to day world.

This might take a bit. I was an aspiring comedy writer. I started standup very young had sold a few jokes to one talk show and asked to submit packets to others. I took sitcom writing at a summer program at NYU. When I was trying to find a job I included my resume and at that time the adage was: “if you don’t have work experience include political campaigns or organizations.” My work in college consisted of working for George Allen for Governor and Oliver North for Senate. I was 22 and stupid and told they were welcoming of alternate viewpoints. One of the producers who was an alum of my undergraduate alma mater wrote me a rather nasty letter calling me one of the worst person to ever contact her. Years later she was quoted in an article about how it was “so hard” to write conservative characters because there just weren’t any conservative writers in Hollywood. Imagine that.

I’ve always had an escape in professional wrestling. Not that WWF kiddie stuff but the southern blood and guts stuff. I even did some training because I liked the cutting promos aspect and thought I could make a go. Comedy gave me a gift for gab, but I was a bit small and the business had changed.

In college, I read USENET newsgroups but wasn’t very active. A lot of us would talk on Internet Relay Chat on major events. Deja.com gave me access when I moved to Los Angeles. I lapsed a bit but when Google acquired Deja I revisited my old haunts through Google Groups. Among people in my time there was a troll who was rather infamous in USENET circles, and a black conservative whom he didn’t like very much. There is a racial epithet based on a Harriet Beecher Stowe character he liked to throw around and I defended my friend. Little did I know that in Google groups, there’s an odd way in which someone who really knows what they’re doing can if they want, clone your address, and post as you.

So there, under my name and email, if you do a hard enough google search, you’ll find out that I, a man of letters just randomly started saying racial and anti-Semitic slurs. In Hollywood, as I transitioned from writing to try performing to make bills meet I worked in big law on an overnight shift. I had been posting at 4 am from my work computer through my Gmail. So when this person sent “my” posts to my employer I not only had to explain that yes, I a college-educated man like professional wrestling, but that yes someone would do this sort of thing due to personal politics, and that no, this wasn’t me. Luckily my IT department confirmed it, but, they could have very well fired me and not investigated.

The “I was hacked” excuse is a lame one, and people who have used it to lie makes my “I was cloned” defense suspect, as you can imagine. But, to some, it’s not so preposterous that I just started shouting epithets because “that’s what I really think.”

My fandom lapsed but for podcasts, I decided to join a wrestling news site’s message board early in the age of Obama. I believe my second post was a simple suggestion of tax cuts to help the economy and someone on there decided I was a bigot, expressing signs of Dunning-Kruger. The name-calling persisted whenever I’d post something remotely non-left wing. When they needed a moderator for the politics section because they didn’t want people clogging up the off-topic part of the board, I got the gig. My payment was a free subscription; big money.

You can imagine how much the angry leftists just knew that this fascist was going to abuse his power. Posts of mine were taken out of context. Emails sent with said edits to the owners of the site. Threads that were started about me included accusations of being a pedophile, being the victim of a pedophile, and asking what size Klan robe I wore. Once a moderator, my job performance came into question: I was deleting posts, editing posts. We have a log that automatically updates things we do, I was also accused of having the power to change that. I was accused of being lax on the job and when I pointed out I was in bed because I needed sleep that was a sign I needed to go despite there being four other moderators who were available. Each of the people who really hated me would eventually show themselves to be just as obnoxious elsewhere and be banned, so all I have to do is keep my cool and let them flame out. As time has gone on, different users of various viciousness have decided that my scalp was a valuable one. Sure enough, the cloned USENET posts made their way into the discussion. Our message board on the IT side is done on the cheap, so if you ban someone they can just come under a different name. So about once every six months I have to deal with someone posting images of these posts.

Few users defend me. Some are like people with cellphones at a fight, enjoying the carnage. Others just don’t mind if I get destroyed. Those that say something are asked “why defend the racist?” in bad faith.

So I mind my p’s and q’s and take numerous screenshots in case I’m accused of doing something wrong. I’ve had to explain it to the owners, the sysadmins and the other mods. The latter group doesn’t like me. You’ll never guess why. The one useful thing about everyone hating you is the other mods either don’t want to deal with discipline or like being liked so they won’t, who knows. So I do it… which then brings up more complaints that I’m biased.

In hindsight, the irony is the guy I replaced as moderator was a collector of Nazi memorabilia with “Rommel” in his username. They said they’d rather have the Nazi than the Republican.

I now host my own semi-successful podcast. I never talk politics on my show Twitter or on the show I host with a far-left non-raging person who also happens to like wrestling. But wrestling fandom has become woke. As with most culture, it’s also become toxic because everyone has an opinion.

Guess what has made its way onto Twitter because people on the message board who didn’t like me? Yeah.

When I see my mentions at around 100 overnight, I know what’s up. I’ve had to “out” myself to my sponsors, to my content provider, and to the audio host. They don’t understand why someone would do that to another person. On Twitter, not everyone takes my explanation verbatim. Even if they believe one part they then follow up “so you’re a right-winger” and you know those conversations aren’t going to end well. People ask why I don’t try to hide things under a different handle, and my response is because then it becomes “He was trying to hide his past as a bigot but we found it” so it’s best just to stay put. I now have a political burner but certain friendships I made were early under #tcot (top conservatives on twitter) and a lot of them now have blue checkmarks and you know those kinds of friendships where you like someone’s work but don’t really know them so those are now gone too.

So I eventually got to close the politics section of the message board. I was told I was the major problem as the only conservative and if I’d just go away, they could all get along. They couldn’t. An occasional centrist or libertarian would try to have a discussion and all of their posts would be flagged for having offensive content. I decided to take it all away. I was of course accused of “not wanting to do my job” and I should be “fired.”

After almost 20 years in legal administration I have a new job. I’ve locked down my LinkedIn so no one can find where I work. I’m still a moderator on that message board. We allowed limited politics talk as people try to talk about Minnesota and I said protests that include looting were not like the Michigan one with white people with guns. I explained that I did not like the behavior of some in Michigan, but it was legal. Then of course I was told the “optics” of defending it made me look bad in the discussion about a “racist killing” (which was an aspect I had no interest in discussing). Thank God those looters are white nationalists and Russians, right?

Later that night someone I had banned for a week for trolling posted “my” posts and here we go again: I really should be fired because this “proves”….ad infinitum

This has been my life for the last ten years or so. I always recoil at conservative commentators who think it’s all overblown, that if you just mind your words better nothing will happen to you or those willing to shun someone for a misspeak. I’m not the most Trump-y guy, but his relationship with the press echos mine online: if they accuse you of something in bad faith, don’t explain yourself, don’t try to prove it false, they don’t want to be convinced, definitely do not reveal aspects of your personal life as a defense as they will then go and dig into that (friends, family, etc.), They just want to see you beg for forgiveness or dance for them but you won’t be forgiven.

The troll who tried to ruin my life loved saying “dance, puppet, dance”

I don’t dance. So, my name is Jeff Hawkins, and according to some on the internet, I’m a bigot.

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  1. RushBabe49 Thatcher

    We are very fortunate to have you here on Ricochet, Jeff. Since I am distantly related to Don Rickles, I am channeling him for a moment, and he says “Great Post, Jeff!”.

    You are not paranoid, they really are out to get you. They are perhaps the most evil people on the Internet, and they have a reputation for destroying the lives of those with whom they disagree. I find it most remarkable how well you have retained your equanimity. I probably would not be able to, if I were treated the same way. And on my personal blog over at RushBabe49.com, I have been a real bigot, and have not been subjected to the same kind of treatment that you have. The worst that has happened to me is that my sister has disowned me, and she is a big leftist. I have refused to change my viewpoints on homosexuality or politics, and have been brutally honest. It’s a wonder that I have not received any of the opprobrium that you have. I don’t have any presence on Facebook or Twitter, and that might explain it.

    Anyway, Good Job! Thanks for being here.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 9:48 AM PDT
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  2. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSul Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Sounds a lot like the flack the mods have gotten here over the years, albeit on an infinitely worse scale for you. I think the only thing you didn’t mention was having confidences violated by people you thought you could trust – that’s also a fun one. At least here we’re all more or less on the same side of things, so there is an upper limit to the nastiness.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 9:56 AM PDT
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  3. Gary Robbins Reagan

    You are most welcome here. However, I would note that Trumpism is more welcome than non-Trumpism at Ricochet right now, and since I use my own name, that one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    • #3
    • May 31, 2020, at 9:57 AM PDT
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  4. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSul Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jeff Hawkins: The troll who tried to ruin my life loved saying “dance, puppet, dance”

    Gotta love those kinds of accusations. On Rico we have had a few who were overfond of certain phrases. The one most of us long timers most remember is “respect the flag and salute the badge!” by this one weirdo who I’m pretty sure had a cop fetish.

    On another site I had a run in with a guy who insisted, every time you directly addressed and refuted a point he himself had brought up, would immediately cry “your entire argument is a red herring!” I eventually asked if he understood the term correctly, or whether he even understood fish anatomy.

    Any other fun stock phrases you’ve encountered?

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    • May 31, 2020, at 10:02 AM PDT
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  5. JimGoneWild Coolidge

    Yeah, we have a few pro-Romney hecklers. 

    • #5
    • May 31, 2020, at 10:28 AM PDT
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  6. EB Thatcher
    EB

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Well, at least what he said was true. You do give to Democrats. It sounds like you may be ashamed of that.

    And …. are you equating someone saying something truthful about you to someone falsely accusing a person of racism?

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    • May 31, 2020, at 10:30 AM PDT
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  7. rgbact Inactive

    “I always recoil at conservative commentators who think it’s all overblown”

    Who says that? I’m no Trumper, but last “independent” forum I was on kicked off half the conservatives (including me) during the Charlottesville fiasco. Saying anything non-PC during these major racial dustups is a recipe for getting pummeled by the virtue signaler brigade. Thats not overblown. So, I seriously doubt people have said insanity on social media is “overblown”. Who thinks that?

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    • May 31, 2020, at 10:31 AM PDT
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  8. Hoyacon Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You are most welcome here. However, I would note that Trumpism is more welcome than non-Trumpism at Ricochet right now, and since I use my own name, that one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Why this is relevant to this thread is a real headscratcher, at least for me.

     

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    • May 31, 2020, at 10:38 AM PDT
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  9. GFHandle Member

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You are most welcome here. However, I would note that Trumpism is more welcome than non-Trumpism at Ricochet right now, and since I use my own name, that one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Why this is relevant to this thread is a real headscratcher, at least for me.

    I think the common link is violation of privacy and doxxing. But still, “all analogies limp.”

     

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    • May 31, 2020, at 11:03 AM PDT
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  10. She Reagan
    She Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Oh, @jeffhawkins. I am sorry. I feel your pain (truly and for real).

    Being rather more circumspect cowardly than you, I write here under a vague and hard-to-search pseudonym, not so much to avoid the sort of experience you’ve had–because when I started out here ten years ago, it never really occurred to me that people would be so viciously spiteful–but because I just didn’t see why I should make it easy for someone to search my name and uncover everything about me just with one click.

    Still, I’ve had my turn in the barrel, from my experience here as a moderator–when I was also publicly accused of changing and deleting posts and comments, and of having mad powers to arrange everything on the site to accrue to my own benefit (as if)–to subsequent very ugly accusations here and elsewhere. Those allegations, together with regular embellishments, ruffles, and flourishes, continue elsewhere to this day. They’re at least as ugly, but thankfully, not nearly as widespread as yours. Still, the idea that there is a group of people, however small, apparently hell-bent on my personal destruction, and the destruction of my relationships with those in my life I’m proud to call “friends,” has been one of the most devastating experiences of my life.

    So I’m grateful for my vague and hard to search pseudonym which won’t google easily, although I’ve been identified plenty of times on that site as “Ricochet Moderator She.” (They’re a little more careful now than they used to be, although one site member has twice (I think) called me out by my actual first name). Most recently, I’ve been accused of “distorting” Mr. She’s military service record here on Ricochet by writing about him as if “he was some kind of war hero.” Mr. She, it was said, “would not be proud [of me].” Good luck making that accusation stick. But why even make it, and where the hell did it even come from, for Pete’s sake? See here for what I say about my husband’s service in the USMC.

    I wrote in a little more detail about my ordeal here, over a year ago. As I said, it’s still going on, but fortunately the perpetrators have found it difficult to stay in the good graces of any reputable website, and are now basically banging around in an small echo chamber talking only to each other, so I think, in real terms, I can discount them as irrelevant at this point. I’m sorry that’s not an option for you, as it sounds as though you are stuck in a never-ending, life-changing nightmare.

    Jeff Hawkins: I’ve had to “out” myself to my sponsors, to my content provider to the audio host. They don’t understand why someone would do that to another person.

    It is indeed hard to believe in that level of malevolent and venomous evil, if you haven’t lived it. I have lived it. I believe it. But I hope I never come to “understand” it.

    Good luck. God bless.

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  11. Gary Robbins Reagan

    EB (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Well, at least what he said was true. You do give to Democrats. It sounds like you may be ashamed of that.

    And …. are you equating someone saying something truthful about you to someone falsely accusing a person of racism?

    There is something unsettling with one “masked” member of Ricochet “investigating” another member of Ricochet.

    No, I am not ashamed of giving to Democrats, given that the Republican Party has been overrun (for now) by Trumpists.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 11:26 AM PDT
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  12. Gary Robbins Reagan

    rgbact (View Comment):

    “I always recoil at conservative commentators who think it’s all overblown”

    Who says that? I’m no Trumper, but last “independent” forum I was on kicked off half the conservatives (including me) during the Charlottesville fiasco. Saying anything non-PC during these major racial dustups is a recipe for getting pummeled by the virtue signaler brigade. Thats not overblown. So, I seriously doubt people have said insanity on social media is “overblown”. Who thinks that?

    I have gotten a great deal of blow-back at Ricochet over Charlottesville. It goes both ways.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 11:29 AM PDT
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  13. Hoyacon Member

    rgbact (View Comment):

    “I always recoil at conservative commentators who think it’s all overblown”

    Who says that? I’m no Trumper, but last “independent” forum I was on kicked off half the conservatives (including me) during the Charlottesville fiasco. Saying anything non-PC during these major racial dustups is a recipe for getting pummeled by the virtue signaler brigade. Thats not overblown. So, I seriously doubt people have said insanity on social media is “overblown”. Who thinks that?

    I can’t name names, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Twitter is the medium of choice for the commentariat to self-promote, left and right. Delegitimize Twitter and you delegitimize those who battle each other daily there to accrue “followers” and promote their careers. 

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    • May 31, 2020, at 11:38 AM PDT
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  14. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Well, at least what he said was true. You do give to Democrats. It sounds like you may be ashamed of that.

    And …. are you equating someone saying something truthful about you to someone falsely accusing a person of racism?

    There is something unsettling with one “masked” member of Ricochet “investigating” another member of Ricochet.

    No, I am not ashamed of giving to Democrats, given that the Republican Party has been overrun (for now) by Trumpists.

    Just call yourself a Democrat and be done with it.

    What you call Trumpist, Hillary called deplorables and most Republicans call the base. That you hate them says what it says.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 11:59 AM PDT
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  15. rgbact Inactive

     

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    There is something unsettling with one “masked” member of Ricochet “investigating” another member of Ricochet. 

    At least you won’t be fired or banned. Heck, some woman called the cops on a black guy in Central Park last week. It went viral. She then got fired. The mob on social media jumped for joy. Thats what you’re up against if you dare stray off the PC path on social media. Having a Trumper stalk you isn’t near as bad.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 12:12 PM PDT
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  16. She Reagan
    She Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You are most welcome here. However, I would note that Trumpism is more welcome than non-Trumpism at Ricochet right now, and since I use my own name, that one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    For crying out loud @garyrobbins. The quote that launched the post I linked to in a previous comment goes like this: “The Internet is not where you hide–it’s where you are found”–Emily Aston Perrin. 

    And one of the nice things about the Internet is that we can, rather quickly, discover the street creds of those who are pontificating making assertions about matters that are important to us, and/or with whom we are arguing or debating. So, if someone turns up on Ricochet claiming to be a neurologist who’s discovered an effective cure for dementia, you bet I’m going to look him up to see if I should pay attention to him. And as long as I stick to the subject of his professional career and credentials, and as long as I’m doing public searches on reputable sites–and as long as I don’t don’t start researching and publishing his home address, or publicly posting photographs of his minor children and information about where they attend school, or checking up on his Facebook page and comparing that with his Twitter feed and or his Instagram posts to see if I can figure out if he’s cheating on his wife, and then publicly posting the results of my endeavors–there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. (The activities that I have contained within the preceding dashes–those are the activities you should worry about. Not that someone checked you out and found out you’re exactly who you say you’ve always been. So what?)

    Please stop pretending that what you experienced here is in any way the equivalent of the situation that is described in the OP. It is nothing like the situation described in the OP. And now that I’ve explained how the Internet works, and what it’s for, I’m not going to dignify your situation with further comment. I suggest others do likewise.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 12:43 PM PDT
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  17. Gary Robbins Reagan

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Well, at least what he said was true. You do give to Democrats. It sounds like you may be ashamed of that.

    And …. are you equating someone saying something truthful about you to someone falsely accusing a person of racism?

    There is something unsettling with one “masked” member of Ricochet “investigating” another member of Ricochet.

    No, I am not ashamed of giving to Democrats, given that the Republican Party has been overrun (for now) by Trumpists.

    Just call yourself a Democrat and be done with it.

    I am a Reagan Republican, and I yearn for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    What you call Trumpist, Hillary called deplorables and most Republicans call the base. That you hate them says what it says.

    The base was also for Reagan. 

    There are very few true Trumpists. There are a lot of Republicans politicians who are cowed by Trump to deny reality. Most Republicans are not birthers. Most Republicans had their stomachs turned by Charlottesville. Most Republicans were ashamed that Trump suggested that Ted Cruz’s father helped kill JFK. Many Republicans believe that there is something fishy with Trump withholding funds to Ukraine as he pressured Ukraine’s President to start a phony investigation. When Trump is defeated in a landslide, and we lost the Senate the Republican base will realize that they can keep losing with Trump, or they can win if they reject Trump.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 12:58 PM PDT
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  18. Gary Robbins Reagan

    She (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You are most welcome here. However, I would note that Trumpism is more welcome than non-Trumpism at Ricochet right now, and since I use my own name, that one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    For crying out loud @garyrobbins. The quote that launched the post I linked to in a previous comment goes like this: “The Internet is not where you hide–it’s where you are found”–Emily Aston Perrin.

    And one of the nice things about the Internet is that we can, rather quickly, discover the street creds of those who are pontificating making assertions about matters that are important to us, and/or with whom we are arguing or debating. So, if someone turns up on Ricochet claiming to be a neurologist who’s discovered an effective cure for dementia, you bet I’m going to look him up to see if I should pay attention to him. And as long as I stick to the subject of his professional career and credentials, and as long as I’m doing public searches on reputable sites–and as long as I don’t don’t start researching and publishing his home address, or publicly posting photographs of his minor children and information about where they attend school, or checking up on his Facebook page and comparing that with his Twitter feed and or his Instagram posts to see if I can figure out if he’s cheating on his wife, and then publicly posting the results of my endeavors–there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. (The activities that I have contained within the preceding dashes–those are the activities you should worry about. Not that someone checked you out and found out you’re exactly who you say you’ve always been. So what?)

    Please stop pretending that what you experienced here is in any way the equivalent of the situation that is described in the OP. It is nothing like the situation described in the OP. And now that I’ve explained how the Internet works, and what it’s for, I’m not going to dignify your situation with further comment. I suggest others do likewise.

    I certainly have not had the horrible experience that Jeff had. And I’ve had no one call the police on me. But it was shocking to have someone (whose name was hidden) run an expose of me.

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  19. GrannyDude Member

    SkipSul (View Comment):
    The one most of us long timers most remember is “respect the flag and salute the badge!” by this one weirdo who I’m pretty sure had a cop fetish.

    Hey! I resemble that remark…

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    • May 31, 2020, at 1:06 PM PDT
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  20. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Many Republicans believe that there is something fishy with Trump withholding funds to Ukraine as he pressured Ukraine’s President to start a phony investigation.

    Nonsense on stilts ! This is just adopting DNC allegations with zero evidence.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 3:47 PM PDT
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  21. Gary Robbins Reagan

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Many Republicans believe that there is something fishy with Trump withholding funds to Ukraine as he pressured Ukraine’s President to start a phony investigation.

    Nonsense on stilts ! This is just adopting DNC allegations with zero evidence.

    I think thst we have to agree to disagree. The voters will have the final word in November.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 3:51 PM PDT
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  22. Charlotte Member
    Charlotte Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    There are very few true Trumpists. There are a lot of Republicans politicians who are cowed by Trump to deny reality. Most Republicans are not birthers. Most Republicans had their stomachs turned by Charlottesville. Most Republicans were ashamed that Trump suggested that Ted Cruz’s father helped kill JFK. Many Republicans believe that there is something fishy with Trump withholding funds to Ukraine as he pressured Ukraine’s President to start a phony investigation. When Trump is defeated in a landslide, and we lost the Senate the Republican base will realize that they can keep losing with Trump, or they can win if they reject Trump.

    Maybe this isn’t really the topic of this post.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 3:58 PM PDT
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  23. CACrabtree Coolidge

    Oh yeah, been there, done that; although I didn’t get a T-Shirt. Although this is the only website that I post to, I used to be a regular at the Columbus Dispatch website. Eventually, the vitriol and outright ignorance wore me down. Although the list of fools there was long and illustrious; one in particular, especially when he had no argument, would blast, all in caps, “just another Foxtard”. The pity of it was, he actually thought that he was making an intelligent remark.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 3:59 PM PDT
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  24. Gary Robbins Reagan

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    There are very few true Trumpists. There are a lot of Republicans politicians who are cowed by Trump to deny reality. Most Republicans are not birthers. Most Republicans had their stomachs turned by Charlottesville. Most Republicans were ashamed that Trump suggested that Ted Cruz’s father helped kill JFK. Many Republicans believe that there is something fishy with Trump withholding funds to Ukraine as he pressured Ukraine’s President to start a phony investigation. When Trump is defeated in a landslide, and we lost the Senate the Republican base will realize that they can keep losing with Trump, or they can win if they reject Trump.

    Maybe this isn’t really the topic of this post.

    I was simply replying to a response.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 4:03 PM PDT
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  25. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge
    Jeff Hawkins

    Girls….you’re all pretty.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 4:09 PM PDT
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  26. EB Thatcher
    EB

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Well, at least what he said was true. You do give to Democrats. It sounds like you may be ashamed of that.

    And …. are you equating someone saying something truthful about you to someone falsely accusing a person of racism?

    There is something unsettling with one “masked” member of Ricochet “investigating” another member of Ricochet.

    No, I am not ashamed of giving to Democrats, given that the Republican Party has been overrun (for now) by Trumpists.

    Well, you didn’t answer my question regarding your equation of a true statement versus an accusation of racism, bigotry, etc.

    Given the state of society and the ease of the internet, most people at some time or another check on someone for a variety of reasons: some for personal safety, some to verify whether someone is telling the truth about their background, and probably some “just because,” to name a few.

    Are you “unsettled” because you can’t check up on whoever it is to whom you are referring?

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    • May 31, 2020, at 4:22 PM PDT
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  27. Gary Robbins Reagan

    EB (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Well, at least what he said was true. You do give to Democrats. It sounds like you may be ashamed of that.

    And …. are you equating someone saying something truthful about you to someone falsely accusing a person of racism?

    There is something unsettling with one “masked” member of Ricochet “investigating” another member of Ricochet.

    No, I am not ashamed of giving to Democrats, given that the Republican Party has been overrun (for now) by Trumpists.

    Well, you didn’t answer my question regarding your equation of a true statement versus an accusation of racism, bigotry, etc.

    Given the state of society and the ease of the internet, most people at some time or another check on someone for a variety of reasons: some for personal safety, some to verify whether someone is telling the truth about their background, and probably some “just because,” to name a few.

    Are you “unsettled” because you can’t check up on whoever it is to whom you are referring?

    Nah. I just think that it is very poor form for him to dox me.

     

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    • May 31, 2020, at 4:42 PM PDT
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  28. Hoyacon Member

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    one enterprising Ricochetti (who doesn’t use his real name) decided to research my political giving and to do a hit peace on how I have given to Democrats during the Trump years.

    Well, at least what he said was true. You do give to Democrats. It sounds like you may be ashamed of that.

    And …. are you equating someone saying something truthful about you to someone falsely accusing a person of racism?

    There is something unsettling with one “masked” member of Ricochet “investigating” another member of Ricochet.

    No, I am not ashamed of giving to Democrats, given that the Republican Party has been overrun (for now) by Trumpists.

    Well, you didn’t answer my question regarding your equation of a true statement versus an accusation of racism, bigotry, etc.

    Given the state of society and the ease of the internet, most people at some time or another check on someone for a variety of reasons: some for personal safety, some to verify whether someone is telling the truth about their background, and probably some “just because,” to name a few.

    Are you “unsettled” because you can’t check up on whoever it is to whom you are referring?

    Nah. I just think that it is very poor form for him to dox me.

    I am of two minds here. On the one hand is the fact that this post is not, and should not, be “about Gary.” On the other hand, I remember well the context in which the alleged “doxxing” occurred, and it was perfectly relevant to a discussion of your alleged party affiliation–a discussion in which you were a voluntary participant. That does not necessarily mean I condone what was done, but there was a context. So I’m done, with apologies to the O/P.

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  29. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Many Republicans believe that there is something fishy with Trump withholding funds to Ukraine as he pressured Ukraine’s President to start a phony investigation.

    Nonsense on stilts ! This is just adopting DNC allegations with zero evidence.

    I think thst we have to agree to disagree. The voters will have the final word in November.

    You could read the transcripts that have been hidden by your friends in the Democrats,

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    • May 31, 2020, at 5:07 PM PDT
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  30. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSul Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    Oh yeah, been there, done that; although I didn’t get a T-Shirt. Although this is the only website that I post to, I used to be a regular at the Columbus Dispatch website. Eventually, the vitriol and outright ignorance wore me down. Although the list of fools there was long and illustrious; one in particular, especially when he had no argument, would blast, all in caps, “just another Foxtard”. The pity of it was, he actually thought that he was making an intelligent remark.

    A fellow Columbusite! I gave up on the Dispatch in its entirety a long long time ago.

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    • May 31, 2020, at 9:48 PM PDT
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