The Obamagate Reckoning Has Begun

 

Mollie Hemingway has a great piece up today encouraging journalists to do the right thing. We are still at the beginning of the Obamagate revelations. They have a chance to report it honestly. But the window won’t stay open forever. Soon the historical opportunity to be among the brave truth-tellers of our era will be lost, and anyone who didn’t take it will be left twisting in the wind, their professional reputation in tatters.

It’s not a question of “if” anymore, but “when.”

Unlike the Russia collusion fiction that was maintained by the Obama administration, holdouts in the Trump administration, and finally the Mueller special counsel posse, the spying and leaking campaign story is coming out with facts. Declassifications, court documents, and investigative reports have all shown the falsehood of the Russia collusion hoax and the truth of the spying scandal. More could be coming.

It was one thing to spin the Russia collusion hoax during a time of mass elite freakout. But now everyone knows it was false. The truth is an existential threat to journalists, which is why the more activist among them are scrambling to kill the story and paint it as a distraction. These reporters won book contracts, TV gigs, promotions, and political success by peddling the hoax. They truly can’t be honest about it.

But others who weren’t so complicit have a shot here. There is no getting out of this easy, so if there are any reporters who care about their reputation, much less the truth, they should get on the side of truth now.

She’s right. And, susceptible as I generally am to schadenfreude, today I’m not feeling it. Instead, I’m feeling sympathy for the terrible dilemma these people and their followers are in. I’ve gone through enough disillusionment in my life to know that it’s extremely painful. Some are looking at an absolutely devastating identity crisis. They’re going to have to face the fact that the worldview they’ve been operating by and staking their careers and much of their personal lives on is false. Friendships are about to go up in smoke. Marriages might fall apart. Some of them will be going from rich to poor and from popular to pariah.

And those are the lucky ones. Those are the ones with the fortitude and grace to choose hard reality over comfortable illusion. A lot more are about to make a conscious or half-conscious decision to stay deluded and act as willing propagandists and/or dupes of liars. They’re actually buying tickets for that long, black train. It’s terrible.

The good news for those who make it, though, is that there’s a whole lot of unanticipated goodness and joy at the end of the pain. It’s like childbirth in the Biblical verse. You’ve got the pain of labor, which feels unendurable while it’s happening, but then gets relativized into nothingness as soon as the baby’s in your arms.

Your typical leftist can’t imagine it right now, but Truth really is liberating. And there’s wonderful fulfillment and companionship to be had among the dissidents. Just ask Brandon Straka and his #walkaway followers.

Anyway, I’ll be saying prayers for them all in the days and weeks ahead: that they manage it, that they do the right thing, and that it won’t be impossibly hard. And I’ll be working to stifle my urge to triumph over them. Instead, I’ll think about ways to welcome them and help bind up their wounds, like other people did for me when I faced my own reckoning with Reality.

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  1. Columbo Inactive
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    David Horowitz has a great article at Frontpage Magazine … Acts of Treason

    There’s a reason the Founders designed so restrictive a definition of treason. They were all guilty of it for rebelling against their king. This led to Benjamin Franklin’s famous quip: “We must all hang together or we shall all hang separately.”

    But this legal definition of the crime is only one aspect of the issue, and in the end it is the less important one for understanding the significance of what has happened. There is also the common usage of the words “treason” and “traitor,” which speak to the moral dimensions of the crime. It is these meanings that provide a proper guide to the seriousness and scope of what Obama, Biden, Comey, Brennan, Clapper and the others involved actually did.

    This is the Merriam Webster definition of treason: “1: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign’s family. 2: the betrayal of a trust: treachery.”

    “To overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance” –is a pretty precise definition of what Obamagate is about.

    And now …  there is a true whistleblower from the Treasury department

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  2. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    When it comes to Barack Obama, I don’t think the media will ever see fit to “do the right thing”.  I can’t remember the website that I saw the story (as I recall it was during the 2008 campaign) but it was entitled, “The Press and Obama Need to Get a Room”.  Nothing has changed since then.

    Bernard Goldberg’s book from 2009, “A Slobbering Love Affair” has held up well.  To criticize Barack Obama is an act of racism; he can do no wrong.

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  3. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Coolidge
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    When it comes to Barack Obama, I don’t think the media will ever see fit to “do the right thing”. I can’t remember the website that I saw the story (as I recall it was during the 2008 campaign) but it was entitled, “The Press and Obama Need to Get a Room”. Nothing has changed since then.

    Bernard Goldberg’s book from 2009, “A Slobbering Love Affair” has held up well. To criticize Barack Obama is an act of racism; he can do no wrong.

    It’s also why Trump needs to tread carefully if he tries to make this a Trump v Obama showdown.  Obama’s personal popularity remains high.  Trump v Any Other D is much safer as a political strategy.

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    It seems the biggest handicap of leftists is the almost complete lack of self-awareness that they are the baddies.

    I do what I can to help them overcome that handicap. It seems that my efforts are annoying to conservatives when I do practice runs in their presence, but such is the price of doing one’s duty.  

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  5. Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    It was one thing to spin the Russia collusion hoax during a time of mass elite freakout. But now everyone knows it was false.

    This is a very naive statement by Mollie.

    It may be objectively false. But it is demonstrably untrue that “everyone” knows this.

     

    It is now a matter of public record. Many people, some in my own family, are still convinced that it must be true because they heard about it for years.

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  6. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    When it comes to Barack Obama, I don’t think the media will ever see fit to “do the right thing”. I can’t remember the website that I saw the story (as I recall it was during the 2008 campaign) but it was entitled, “The Press and Obama Need to Get a Room”. Nothing has changed since then.

    Bernard Goldberg’s book from 2009, “A Slobbering Love Affair” has held up well. To criticize Barack Obama is an act of racism; he can do no wrong.

    It’s also why Trump needs to tread carefully if he tries to make this a Trump v Obama showdown. Obama’s personal popularity remains high. Trump v Any Other D is much safer as a political strategy.

    You’re probably correct.  Unfortunately, that’s going to be difficult for Trump.  I still remember that function where Obama was poking fun at Trump and Trump wasn’t cracking a smile.  You could see that he was seething and many people think that’s when Trump made his final decision to run for the presidency.  As Keith Jackson would say before an Alabama/Auburn game; “They just plain flat don’t like each other”.

    Of course, Trump resents (rightfully) that the press was in the bag for BO and turned into attack dogs when he became President.  He will have to stay focused and, for Trump, that might be problematic.

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  7. Bill Gates Will Inject You Now Inactive
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    Mollie Hemingway has a great piece up today encouraging journalists to do the right thing

    I remember a similar piece when Kermit Gosnell had crickets in the press gallery during his trial. Must be Tuesday.

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  8. Ray Gunner Coolidge
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    katievs: Your typical leftist can’t imagine it right now, but Truth really is liberating.

    It is…but Lies are more comfortable, and most people prefer comfort to liberation. 

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  9. katievs Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    David Horowitz has a great article at Frontpage Magazine … Acts of Treason

    There’s a reason the Founders designed so restrictive a definition of treason. They were all guilty of it for rebelling against their king. This led to Benjamin Franklin’s famous quip: “We must all hang together or we shall all hang separately.”

    But this legal definition of the crime is only one aspect of the issue, and in the end it is the less important one for understanding the significance of what has happened. There is also the common usage of the words “treason” and “traitor,” which speak to the moral dimensions of the crime. It is these meanings that provide a proper guide to the seriousness and scope of what Obama, Biden, Comey, Brennan, Clapper and the others involved actually did.

    This is the Merriam Webster definition of treason: “1: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign’s family. 2: the betrayal of a trust: treachery.”

    “To overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance” –is a pretty precise definition of what Obamagate is about.

    And now … there is a true whistleblower from the Treasury department

    Great article. Thanks, Columbo.

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  10. Jules PA Inactive
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    May G-d protect and strengthen that Whistleblower. 

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    It was one thing to spin the Russia collusion hoax during a time of mass elite freakout. But now everyone knows it was false.

    This is a very naive statement by Mollie.

    It may be objectively false. But it is demonstrably untrue that “everyone” knows this.

    That would be the foundation of my point too.  The media doesn’t have to correct themselves, because they still have a large potential audience of people who still believe the lies.  And likely always will.

    Including my mother.

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  12. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    It was one thing to spin the Russia collusion hoax during a time of mass elite freakout. But now everyone knows it was false.

    This is a very naive statement by Mollie.

    It may be objectively false. But it is demonstrably untrue that “everyone” knows this.

    That would be the foundation of my point too. The media doesn’t have to correct themselves, because they still have a large potential audience of people who still believe the lies. And likely always will.

    Including my mother.

    Actually the people I know view the Russian hoax as fact.  Any thing different is Trump lies.  

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  13. katievs Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    That would be the foundation of my point too. The media doesn’t have to correct themselves, because they still have a large potential audience of people who still believe the lies. And likely always will.

    Including my mother.

    I don’t disagree, I would just distinguish between the media as a collective and individuals within the media, some of whom, I hope and pray, have enough integrity to be affected by the flood of objective evidence now coming out.

    Practically every one of the individuals who comprise the collective is going to come to a crossroads in the weeks and months ahead, at which point they will have to choose between their personal integrity and life as they have known it up to now.

    I think we can almost take it as written that the majority of them are (or is it is?) going to choose badly. That’s the human condition. But some, surely, are going to choose truth. They’re going to walk through that narrow gate.

    As for the audience, they have less at stake and will therefore switch sides more easily as the truth becomes known. I don’t say it will be 100% of the audience, and I don’t imagine it will happen instantaneously. I still think it will happen. The facts of the matter will ultimately sway public opinion enough that the media who can now still pretend they are objective journalists won’t be able to do that anymore.

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  14. katievs Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    katievs (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    …Obama is just another anti-American, corrupt Chicago thug. His only competence is in destruction of republican self-rule. He’s very good at that.

    Personally, I think he’s much worse than that. I think he’s an ideological hard-leftist, in practical effect at least, a marxist. He’s a marxist disguised as run of the mill corrupt thug.

    I’m not sure what the difference is.

    The difference is mainly in aim and motivation. A corrupt thug is typically motivated by money and power for himself. He wants to get rich and he doesn’t care who he hurts in the process. He may even enjoy hurting people, because it makes him feel powerful.

    A marxist ideologue aims at the foundations of our society, which he wants to destroy. And he brings a level of zeal, purpose, focus, and commitment that mere thug can’t touch. The power he covets is diabolical. Ultimately, he wants to displace God. Not all of them are aware that they want to replace God. By they are driven by a demon who is and does. That’s why they love abortion and hate the family. They lie, they use Justice to perpetrate injustice, they invert natural law, they protect and defend terrorists and evildoers of every kind, while they frame innocent men… They are basically antichrists.

     

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  15. Western Chauvinist Member
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    katievs (View Comment):

    The difference is mainly in aim and motivation. A corrupt thug is typically motivated by money and power for himself. He wants to get rich and he doesn’t care who he hurts in the process. He may even enjoy hurting people, because it makes him feel powerful.

    A marxist ideologue aims at the foundations of our society, which he wants to destroy. And he brings a level of zeal, purpose, focus, and commitment that mere thug can’t touch. The power he covets is diabolical. Ultimately, he wants to displace God. Not all of them are aware that they want to replace God. By they are driven by a demon who is and does. That’s why they love abortion and hate the family. They lie, they use Justice to perpetrate injustice, they invert natural law, they protect and defend terrorists and evildoers of every kind, while they frame innocent men… They are basically antichrists.

    I agree with that, but I think it’s very hard to assess motive and the fact that the Marxist authoritarian ends up with power and money makes him distinguishable from the Chicago thug only in scale. Marxists tend to believe what they want is ultimately “good” for everyone, even if they have to break a few eggs. . .

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  16. Jim Beck Inactive
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    Morning Katievs,

    Thank you for answering every comment, that is so nice, like a conversation, very pleasant.  Now for my let’s throw out all hope comment.  Last night on Special Report https://topnewsshow.com/special-report-w-bret-baier-5-19-20-fox-news/, at the 30-31 minute spot Bret was talking to the panel, Jonah was one of the panelists.  He said that the concern over the unmasking was a bit over the top and that the conspiratorial analysis of the events suggesting that Obama and his folks were intentionally trying to muck with the incoming Trump admin is not correct.  He said that the Obama admin knew that 1. the Russians did try to tamper with the election, 2. The  Russians Hacked the DNC, 3. The Russians Used social media to effect the election.  He then said that the Obama admin went overboard in their operations.

    On so many levels Jonah’s summmary is disappointing, equally disappointing was the non-response by Bret and Brian.

    First, when Jonah says that Russia tried to tamper with the election.  All governments try to effect elections in other countries so as to produce post election governments more sympathetic to themselves.  Russia has been working with enthusiasm to shape elections in USA since the revolution, and we all know that fact, and Jonah knows we know that and he still says that “Russia tried to tamper” as if this was NEWS and we show acknowledge its importance.  I particularly do not being told a lie when the speaker knows I know he is lying.

    Second Jonah said that the Russians hacked the DNC server, that is the DNC talking point, but is is false https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/newly-released-docs-suggest-crowdstrike-unsure-if-fbi-confirmed-russians.  The newly declassified documents show that Crowdstrike admitted under oath they had no direct knowledge of  hacking of the DNC servers.  If I know this, Jonah knows or should and Bret and Brian know or should and did not correct Jonah; this is why journalism is sunk.  And lastly, I should hope we are trying to hack Putin’s server, and any fool would expect foreign govts would be trying to hack political servers, and Jonah offers this as a justification for the Obama admin, this is more than foolish.  Again when the media lies to my face, knowing that I know it is a lie does not sit with me.

    Third, Russia used social media to influence the election, the amount of money Russia spent was trivial.  It is so insulting the have a “conservative” thinker offer such putrid drivel and expect folks to buy it.  It is also shameful the Bret and Brian sit and say nothing on what is supposed to be the flagship “news” show on Fox.  Bret and Brian are no Whittaker Chambers, they are just news readers not journalists.

    You and Mollie hope for an awakening, leading to insight and a return to something like objectivity.  Insight is tough, our blind spots are like bad breath, we are often not aware of how our breath smells and often our friends are too timid to tell us to get a drink or that our breath stinks.  Jonah’s analysis stinks and no one of his peers will tell him and that is why journalism is sunk.  We know that Jonah’s analysis stinks and he gets indignant that the deplorables don’t by his steaming pile of talking points.

    Thanks again Katievs.

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  17. Western Chauvinist Member
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    I also complain about supposed conservatives remaining unchallenged when they state the lefty narrative without question, or go so far as to misstate the facts, as Jonah did on Brett’s show (and has been known to happen even here on Ricochet. Ahem). However, I believe, if they are lying, they are lying first to themselves. I think the truth of their wrongheadedness about Trump is just too much for their egos to bear and would condemn them to banishment from their coastal social circles. So they go along to get along. It isn’t pretty, but it is human, which is more credit than we deplorables get.

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  18. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Coolidge
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    Jim Beck (View Comment):

    Morning Katievs,

    Thank you for answering every comment, that is so nice, like a conversation, very pleasant. Now for my let’s throw out all hope comment. Last night on Special Report https://topnewsshow.com/special-report-w-bret-baier-5-19-20-fox-news/, at the 30-31 minute spot Bret was talking to the panel, Jonah was one of the panelists. He said that the concern over the unmasking was a bit over the top and that the conspiratorial analysis of the events suggesting that Obama and his folks were intentionally trying to muck with the incoming Trump admin is not correct. He said that the Obama admin knew that 1. the Russians did try to tamper with the election, 2. The Russians Hacked the DNC, 3. The Russians Used social media to effect the election. He then said that the Obama admin went overboard in their operations.

    On so many levels Jonah’s summmary is disappointing, equally disappointing was the non-response by Bret and Brian.

     

    Second Jonah said that the Russians hacked the DNC server, that is the DNC talking point, but is is false https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/newly-released-docs-suggest-crowdstrike-unsure-if-fbi-confirmed-russians. The newly declassified documents show that Crowdstrike admitted under oath they had no direct knowledge of hacking of the DNC servers. If I know this, Jonah knows or should and Bret and Brian know or should and did not correct Jonah; this is why journalism is sunk. And lastly, I should hope we are trying to hack Putin’s server, and any fool would expect foreign govts would be trying to hack political servers, and Jonah offers this as a justification for the Obama admin, this is more than foolish. Again when the media lies to my face, knowing that I know it is a lie does not sit with me.

    On your second point I believe it is overstated to claim it is false.  There were three different hacks, DNC, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and John Podesta.  I’ve now read all of the recently released transcripts, including the one from which the quote comes, and came away with a different impression.  Will be putting together a summary and posting as part of my 53 Transcripts series.

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  19. Jim Beck Inactive
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    Afternoon Gumby,

    I grant that I may not know the full extent of this topic.  I think I do know a couple of sure things, 1. the FBI did not examine the servers, so how are we sure of anything, regardless of under oath testimony, 2. it is to be expected by political parties that they would be the target of many types of hackers, including from foreign govts.  So when Jonah parrots this DNC talking point, I assume he is too smart to be a useful idiot and therefore is preferring to advance something he knows is false.  Add that Jonah is using this false narrative to justify the corrupt behavior by the Obama admin.  Talking around the tech issues does not change the basic fact that this false narrative has been used to support this Russia hoax.

    I am not tech smart, so this may be above my head.  It has been my understanding that the info was down loaded from the server at a speed faster than hack speed.  I admit that I don’t know anything about how speed is a marker for hacking or downloading.  Of course I would like any info you have to further my understanding about this.  Also if you want to defend Jonah, I will listen, however I am discouraged with his glib dishonesty.

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  20. katievs Inactive
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    Jim Beck (View Comment):

    You and Mollie hope for an awakening, leading to insight and a return to something like objectivity.

    That’s not quite how I would put it. Rather, I see that an avalanche of objective evidence is coming. That means that those who have been invested in and/or propagating the false narrative are going to have less and less justification for their views. To maintain them, they’re going to have to abandon more and more of their professional and personal integrity. 

    I really hope Jonah will be one of the ones who’s able to face the bitter truth that he’s been wrong. I like him a lot. I believe in him as a person more than I do in, say, Jennifer Rubin or Max Boot or Bill Kristol. But, man, it’s going to be a hard pill to swallow.

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  21. katievs Inactive
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    Jim Beck (View Comment):

    I assume he is too smart to be a useful idiot and therefore is preferring to advance something he knows is false.

    Bad assumption. Even people with super high IQs can be useful idiots. It has more to do with your personal hopes, fears, aspirations, associations, experiences, assumptions, temptations, etc. than brains.

    Think how long the brilliant Whittaker Chambers was a believing communist. Think how many ivy league grads are among the duped of our day.

    I think Jonah has a practically insuperable aversion to Donald Trump from having grown up in NYC. I think he has an almost extreme attachment to ideological conservatism, which he assumes is of prime importance in conservative politics, and which Trump seemed neither to represent nor understand during the campaign. So, he was confident Trump would be a disaster for conservatism. (I was very sympathetic to this view myself back then.) And that meant that he (Jonah) associated closely with a circle of Washington DC Never-Trumpers, who kept reinforcing each other’s views.

    The more he became publicly associated with their cause, the more he got reviled as a traitor, etc. by Trump fans, which alienated him from us all the more, and drove him in the arms of “moderate” Dems, etc., in a vicious cycle.

    Then he lost his job at National Review and threw in with the Bulwark. By now he’s invested up to his ears.

    It’s going to be very painful for him, but I so hope he makes it!

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  22. katievs Inactive
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    By the way, Jim, my understanding of the server issue is just like yours. I’ll be interested to hear what Gumby has to say about it.

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  23. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Coolidge
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    Jim Beck (View Comment):

    Afternoon Gumby,

    I grant that I may not know the full extent of this topic. I think I do know a couple of sure things, 1. the FBI did not examine the servers, so how are we sure of anything, regardless of under oath testimony, 2. it is to be expected by political parties that they would be the target of many types of hackers, including from foreign govts. So when Jonah parrots this DNC talking point, I assume he is too smart to be a useful idiot and therefore is preferring to advance something he knows is false. Add that Jonah is using this false narrative to justify the corrupt behavior by the Obama admin. Talking around the tech issues does not change the basic fact that this false narrative has been used to support this Russia hoax.

    I am not tech smart, so this may be above my head. It has been my understanding that the info was down loaded from the server at a speed faster than hack speed. I admit that I don’t know anything about how speed is a marker for hacking or downloading. Of course I would like any info you have to further my understanding about this. Also if you want to defend Jonah, I will listen, however I am discouraged with his glib dishonesty.

     No thanks, no interest in defending Jonah.  

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  24. Columbo Inactive
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    Jim Beck (View Comment):

    Morning Katievs,

    [snip – for word count]

    On so many levels Jonah’s summmary is disappointing, equally disappointing was the non-response by Bret and Brian.

    First, when Jonah says that Russia tried to tamper with the election. All governments try to effect elections in other countries so as to produce post election governments more sympathetic to themselves. Russia has been working with enthusiasm to shape elections in USA since the revolution, and we all know that fact, and Jonah knows we know that and he still says that “Russia tried to tamper” as if this was NEWS and we show acknowledge its importance. I particularly do not being told a lie when the speaker knows I know he is lying.

    Second Jonah said that the Russians hacked the DNC server, that is the DNC talking point, but is is false https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/newly-released-docs-suggest-crowdstrike-unsure-if-fbi-confirmed-russians. The newly declassified documents show that Crowdstrike admitted under oath they had no direct knowledge of hacking of the DNC servers. If I know this, Jonah knows or should and Bret and Brian know or should and did not correct Jonah; this is why journalism is sunk. And lastly, I should hope we are trying to hack Putin’s server, and any fool would expect foreign govts would be trying to hack political servers, and Jonah offers this as a justification for the Obama admin, this is more than foolish. Again when the media lies to my face, knowing that I know it is a lie does not sit with me.

    Third, Russia used social media to influence the election, the amount of money Russia spent was trivial. It is so insulting the have a “conservative” thinker offer such putrid drivel and expect folks to buy it. It is also shameful the Bret and Brian sit and say nothing on what is supposed to be the flagship “news” show on Fox. Bret and Brian are no Whittaker Chambers, they are just news readers not journalists.

    You and Mollie hope for an awakening, leading to insight and a return to something like objectivity. Insight is tough, our blind spots are like bad breath, we are often not aware of how our breath smells and often our friends are too timid to tell us to get a drink or that our breath stinks. Jonah’s analysis stinks and no one of his peers will tell him and that is why journalism is sunk. We know that Jonah’s analysis stinks and he gets indignant that the deplorables don’t by his steaming pile of talking points.

    Thanks again Katievs.

    Yes, Jonah’s analysis stinks because he is incurious about anything factual that doesn’t comport with his pre-conceived idea of President Trump. There is more information now about Seth Rich and the DNC hack – Attorney Clevenger states that the DNI has communications between Seth Rick and Wikileaks.

     

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  25. Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) Member
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    Jim Beck (View Comment):
    I am not tech smart, so this may be above my head. It has been my understanding that the info was down loaded from the server at a speed faster than hack speed. I admit that I don’t know anything about how speed is a marker for hacking or downloading. Of course I would like any info you have to further my understanding about this.

    It takes almost no time at broadband speeds to suck the contents of an email account between any two points with broadband support on the planet in a few seconds. Text data doesn’t have a lot of bits compared to audio or video, so if you can stream a movie you can move a lot of mail data very quickly. How long does it take you to download a movie versus an ebook? For me its about 30 minutes vs 3 seconds.

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  26. Jim Beck Inactive
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    Afternoon Sisyphus,

    How lame am I? This lame, I have never downloaded a movie. Signed didn’t make to Bronze Age.

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  27. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    I do a lot of testing. I like evidence. Evidence is my friend.

    When the Russian collusion storm arose, I waited for evidence. What I got was revelations “from highly place sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity.”  Now we getting documents — unredacted documents — from Richard Grenell, delivered with a smile.

    Anybody else notice that?

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  28. Jim Beck Inactive
    Jim Beck
    @JimBeck

    Afternoon Katievs,

    Your analysis of Jonah is elegant and as you rightly say once one is so invested in a path, change becomes almost impossible.  However in this topic of a “come to our senses” journalism, when Jonah was giving his reasons, (in my opinion DNC talking points) where were Bret and Brian? Is it the rule that one doesn’t challenge the talking points of other panelists?  This is unafraid news?  The flagship news show on a center-right channel, and we either are getting theater, or their is an unspoken rule that their are certain times where we challenge propaganda.  You and Mollie are suggesting that journalism faces a time where facts about the Russian hoax and the MeToo movement, and other events might open the eyes of certain journalists and we might see a change.  Using Jonah as an example of journalism at large, what would cause Jonah to rethink his assumptions.  Would he have to come to the end of himself?  Do we need a Woodward and Bernstein who are after just the facts, so that young journalists want to copy new and different idols?  Fox has been very successful financially and yet, no other network has tried to copy that model.  Isn’t journalism up to its ears and won’t change be too painful to make?

    This is a slightly different question, how could we help conservatives rethink their positions. The Wuhan virus has exposed our dependence on China,  and China is the enemy of the West.   We have a chance to rethink topics like free trade, cultural stability, and how to think about the tech monopolies.  This is a time where new ideas have a chance to replace some of our earlier truths, how would you imagine that conservatives could make this volatile time productive.

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  29. katievs Inactive
    katievs
    @katievs

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    katievs: Your typical leftist can’t imagine it right now, but Truth really is liberating.

    It is…but Lies are more comfortable, and most people prefer comfort to liberation.

    Yes, but I’m not talking about most people. Only some.

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  30. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    katievs (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    …Obama is just another anti-American, corrupt Chicago thug. His only competence is in destruction of republican self-rule. He’s very good at that.

    Personally, I think he’s much worse than that. I think he’s an ideological hard-leftist, in practical effect at least, a marxist. He’s a marxist disguised as run of the mill corrupt thug.

     

    disguised as a community organizer….

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