The Destruction of Michael Flynn

 

From an article at Issues & Insights:

In the meantime, Flynn should sue the government that let all of this go forward. As California Rep. Devin Nunes, ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, recently told Laura Ingraham on her Fox News show, “Clearly Gen. Flynn is going to have a civil rights case, and I think it’s going to cost the government millions of dollars.”

Why is the taxpayer on the hook for the clearly criminal actions of persons high up in the DOJ? Why aren’t they personally responsible? If they have to personally cough up millions of dollars, it might put a damper on such actions in the future.

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  1. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Or, if not paid by them personally, then at least the cost of those settlement millions to the FBI’s budget should figure prominently in their trial and sentencing.

    And it would be a nice tough to have the top decision-makers sentenced to a prison where they are routinely rousted out of bed with armed guards in the wee hours for, I don’t know, surprise inspections or something.

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  2. Randy Webster Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Or, if not paid by them personally, then at least the cost of those settlement millions to the FBI’s budget should figure prominently in their trial and sentencing.

    And it would be a nice tough to have the top decision-makers sentenced to a prison where they are routinely rousted out of bed with armed guards in the wee hours for, I don’t know, surprise inspections or something.

    Prison would be icing on the cake.

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  3. Hang On Member
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    They will be as well. But the government is also on the hook and should be.

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  4. Randy Webster Member
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    They will be as well. But the government is also on the hook and should be.

    When you say the government should be on the hook, you’re saying I should be on the hook.  I don’t think I agree with that.

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  5. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge
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    Randy Webster: Why is the taxpayer on the hook for the clearly criminal actions of persons high up in the DOJ? Why aren’t they personally responsible? If they have to personally cough up millions of dollars, it might put a damper on future such actions.

    If government employees were personally liable, then very wealthy people, that could sue them, would be above the law.  Trust me, when I where my government employee hat, if I could have my family destroyed because I annoyed the wrong person, powerful people could get away with anything.  Government employees should dispassionately and objectively perform their duties without worry of retribution from annoyed citizens.

    The majority of Americans approved the tyranny against Flynn.  They supported politicians, including many Republicans, that approved and assisted the tyranny.  The American people should pay. 

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  6. Hoyacon Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    They will be as well. But the government is also on the hook and should be.

    When you say the government should be on the hook, you’re saying I should be on the hook. I don’t think I agree with that.

    I understand, but the government does skads of things–corrupt and otherwise-that I don’t want to pay for.  Do a hundred wrongs make a right?  Probably not, but the exercise in line drawing is mind boggling.

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  7. Stad Coolidge
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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):
    The majority of Americans approved the tyranny against Flynn.

    If this is true, it was based on false evidence presented by the MSM to make him appear guilty.  Heck, their mantra now is “But he pleaded guilty!”

    If what actual happened was reported truthfully, I think most folks would agree he’s owed restitution.  I think there’s a chance the people involved could be held civilly liable because they stepped outside the boundaries of their assigned duties and their authority . . .

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  8. Randy Webster Member
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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):
    Government employees should dispassionately and objectively perform their duties without worry of retribution from annoyed citizens.

    Even if those government employees are clearly breaking the law?

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  9. Arahant Member
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    Embrace the power of AND.

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  10. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Or, if not paid by them personally, then at least the cost of those settlement millions to the FBI’s budget should figure prominently in their trial and sentencing.

    And it would be a nice tough to have the top decision-makers sentenced to a prison where they are routinely rousted out of bed with armed guards in the wee hours for, I don’t know, surprise inspections or something.

    I think that Strzok and Paige would make whiz-bang license tag makers!  It would probably be more useful than anything else they’ve ever done.  As for Comey and McCabe, the prison laundry would be a better place to utilize their talents.

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  11. Larry3435 Member
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    This is kind of complicated.  An individual whose Constitutional rights have been violated can sue the individual federal agent who committed the violation using what is known as a Bivens claim (based on a 1971 Supreme Court case called Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents).  Or, in some cases, he can sue the federal government directly by making a claim under the Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA).  In theory, the liability in a Bivens case is personal to the federal agent, and does not get reimbursed by the government.  In practice, though, plaintiffs usually struggle to make their claims against the government as well as the federal agent, because the government has the deep pockets.  Since most cases that have any merit are settled, the government will often agree to pay the settlement under the FTCA, getting the individual agent off the hook.  This can be complicated further because there is often some kind of insurance in the picture.

    If you’re interested in learning more about this (and you’re probably not), you can read about it here.

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  12. Randy Webster Member
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    Hah! Arahant.  You can no longer say I’ve had 408 posts with no promotion to the main feed.  Though I suspect sympathy from the editors rather than merit in the post.

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  13. katievs Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):
    The majority of Americans approved the tyranny against Flynn.

    If this is true, it was based on false evidence presented by the MSM to make him appear guilty. Heck, their mantra now is “But he pleaded guilty!”

    If what actual happened was reported truthfully, I think most folks would agree he’s owed restitution. I think there’s a chance the people involved could be held civilly liable because they stepped outside the boundaries of their assigned duties and their authority . . .

    I say he should sue the media too, for defamation. 

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  14. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
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    American prosecutors hold absolute immunity.

    Which has allowed for an incredibly corrupt system to flourish and has done so for decades.

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  15. Hoyacon Member
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    American prosecutors hold absolute immunity.

    Which has allowed for an incredibly corrupt system to flourish and has done so for decades.

    Over the top.

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  16. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Randy Webster: Why is the taxpayer on the hook for the clearly criminal actions of persons high up in the DOJ? Why aren’t they personally responsible? If they have to personally cough up millions of dollars, it might put a damper on such actions in the future.

    I think General Flynn has an excellent cause of action against dozens of former Obama officials for the knowing false statements they’ve made on tv networks from 2017 on wards. I think its important differentiate between their actions and statements they made while in office from those made after they where in office. The claim of Sovereign Immunity should not apply, and I think judges in an election year will be very reluctant to expand it, just in time for Trump (they hope) officials to be taking advantage of it. General Flynn should be suing all of them for every last dollar.

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  17. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    I find it very strange that Obama said the ‘rule of law’ is in jeopardy the other day.

    As a former President, he should stay quiet 

     

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  18. Arahant Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    I find it very strange that Obama said the ‘rule of law’ is in jeopardy the other day.

    As a former President, he should stay quiet

    He wouldn’t know the Rule of Law if it bit him on the hand.

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  19. philo Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    I find it very strange that Obama said the ‘rule of law’ is in jeopardy the other day.

    As a former President, he should stay quiet

    You would think his current lawyer would be advising the same thing.

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  20. Western Chauvinist Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Randy Webster: Why is the taxpayer on the hook for the clearly criminal actions of persons high up in the DOJ? Why aren’t they personally responsible? If they have to personally cough up millions of dollars, it might put a damper on such actions in the future.

    I think General Flynn has an excellent cause of action against dozens of former Obama officials for the knowing false statements they’ve made on tv networks from 2017 on wards. I think its important differentiate between their actions and statements they made while in office from those made after they where in office. The claim of Sovereign Immunity should not apply, and I think judges in an election year will be very reluctant to expand it, just in time for Trump (they hope) officials to be taking advantage of it. General Flynn should be suing all of them for every last dollar.

    I trust Sidney Powell will advise the General wisely. 

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