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The Gates of Hell Hath Seen His Shadow…
…and declared 18 more months of quarantine:
You will be tested, whether you like it or not. You will be vaccinated, with his vaccine, whether you like it or not. You will not be allowed outside until late May at the earliest, and you won’t be allowed to gather in groups for 18 months, because that’s how long the vaccine takes. This is the plan, folks.
I enjoyed the part where he was anointed Emperor Zod, ruler of planet earth without a paper ballot. Where do you want to go today? It doesn’t matter, all yours freedoms belongs to him.
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But he’s also given tens of billions of dollars of his own money to efforts to lift the poorest people in the world out of poverty and illness.
He wants to vaccinate them. And track them. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Bill, Bill, Bill, what’s wrong with your math?
Hmm. Vaccination. Well, I guess we wouldn’t want that.
Preventing tetanus is pretty important. I think I’d want to see the proof that these people claim to have.
Yes, I saw your Mrs. Lincoln post. As I recall, it was essentially a block quotation from another web site.
So I went to that site and read what it said. It said we were a virtual “police state” now. That nothing had been accomplished as a result of the shutdowns.
Do we actually know that? I mean, there are now almost 400,000 confirmed cases of the Wuhan virus in America and about 13,000 deaths. There is a confirmed-case to fatality ratio of over three percent, which is pretty high. So what I’m wondering is, how do the people at the web site you linked know that we wouldn’t have had, say ten times the number of cases, and ten times the number of deaths, had we not done what we did?
Personally, I’d have accepted 150,000 deaths to avoid the shutdown. As I’ve written elsewhere, I’d accept quite a large number of deaths. But preventing 100,000+ deaths isn’t “nothing,” and I wonder how then people you linked know they’re right.
The IHME numbers are bad, as most models of poorly understood systems are bad. IHME deserves to be taken to task over that, and our leaders as well for believing those models and the ones out of London (which are probably actually the ones that triggered the shutdown in the firstplace).
But I don’t think the people running the numbers at IHME are part of a vast Gates-led conspiracy to, I don’t know, vaccinate children in Africa.
We are in a difficult time. Serious accusations based on tenuous evidence and wild claims are irresponsible. Serious charges demand serious evidence. Sensationalist posts imputing evil intent based on scant evidence are no better than what the mainstream press does every day.
From https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-un-tetanus-vaccine/5431664
There’s more if you take those key words: kenya tetanus hcg
A lot of sites trying to debunk and a lot of original reporting including statements from the Kenyan PM some years later. Also verification that the vaccine was only administered to women aged 14-49. Now why would a tetanus vaccine be so targeted?
Also, Uganda raised similar concerns over another vaccine – Hep B? Also with recorded statements from their governing officers.
Considering Bill Gates hasn’t been shy about expressing his view of decreasing the human population (global warming), I don’t think this is that much of a stretch.
Would you really trust someone who actually said we can lower the world’s population through vaccination with vaccine production?
Exhibit A why my kids won’t be getting Gardasil or any untested vaccines until the original subjects are in their 30s.
Thank you.
There are various tells for conspiratorial garbage stories. They tend to be sensational, they tend to posit a conspiracy, and they tend not to provide supporting evidence.
The article you linked features the claim that six samples were sent to an independent laboratory in South Africa for testing. But no information is provided about the laboratory, no evidence that can be verified, nothing that can be followed to confirm the story.
The same site contains all sorts of stuff about GMOs, eugenics, bio-engineered babies, etc.
Serious accusations demand serious evidence. This isn’t evidence. It’s unsubstantiated sensationalist tabloid pablum.
Next I’ll be hearing about how Tower 7 couldn’t have fallen down by itself, or some such.
There’s a reason “evil genius” is a thing. There are no “moral geniuses”.
I do not trust geniuses to be able to comprehend morality that isn’t founded on reason-able assumptions. I expect them to rely too much on pragmatism and logic with no room for knowledge gained through any other means than science.
That might be fine for a handful of people, but it’s a recipe for disaster. Even Nietzsche could recognize the limitations of science based reason.
I suppose very smart people probably come with the same range of morality as not very smart people. I’m sorry, but I’ll need something better than “he has billions of dollars,” some kind of evidence, to persuade me that Bill Gates is a moral monster. Just as I’d need evidence to be convinced the guy who collects my trash is a moral monster.
Right. So confirmation bias.
No, you have an odd outlook on humanity that I find strangely popular on the right. We have no problem claiming we limit government because human nature, but have a difficult time applying that thinking to people who are in powerful positions.
You can’t even manage to entertain the thought that someone may, on a lesser scale, share some common ideas with Margaret Sanger. I mean – she existed and she’s not exactly vilified.
Use the search terms I gave you and find the rest of the information. There’s information on the testing sites and video statements from the PM. I don’t know how you get to conspiracy theory from there.
This is the same argument Fred Cole used on me when I couldn’t produce a quote from his favored media outlets on European “no-go” zones. I had a local german rag with a video of a local authority figure using the [translated] phrase “no-go” and he said it was unsubstantiated.
I don’t know what proof you want beyond primary sources. I dug up quotes from authority figures. Those are primary sources. You can’t just wish them away.
The link I offered was my first find. I’m not going to provide a ton of links where half you won’t accept. It wasn’t widely reported in the states. Should we be surprised? Go do your own leg work. I found a primary source and that satisfies me.
Well, I have a bias toward wanting evidence before I condemn someone. Yes.
Again, I just want evidence of wrongdoing before I condemn someone.
No, I don’t find it hard to imagine all kinds of awfulness. But, again, I want evidence before I ascribe it to any particular person.
I prefer that people who are making arguments bring their own evidence. If it’s easy to find, that shouldn’t be too hard. I’ll wait until something more convincing than what I’ve heard here comes along.
I’m sorry, but quotations from “authority figures” that are emphatically refuted by other quotations from other “authority figures” kind of cancel each other out. I mean, unless you just wish away the authority figures you don’t like.
JSYK, I certainly don’t begrudge Gates his money or his fame and don’t find him sinister in the least. I’ve always thought of him as a very business-wise rather than tech-savvy guy (the brilliance of making DOS the ubiquitous operating system for PCs, for one). I did not like the government’s case against Microsoft, and to anyone who says he’s too rich I just say I have no idea where we’d be, job wise, if it weren’t for the PC. Just consider the moment we’re in. If this happened before computers and the internet. I suspect that most people’s morale would be much more deflated by now; their actual financial situations, much worse. But that doesn’t make Gates an expert on what’s coming, yet his public stature will suggest to many that it does. And though I do not know, I suspect that his sources would agree with the headlines of late last week warning us that this is to be a devastating week, yet as I write this, early early Wednesday morning, the trajectory seems actually kind of good. It’s psychically bizarre. So any talk of any aspect of this uncertainty going on for another 18 months is a likely candidate for a snowball in the face, however decent a guy he (and his wife Melissa) are.
Which, when ascertaining truth between contradictory statements, you are in fact doing.
You have no evidence to support any of your opinions. Just that you like the guy and you don’t believe statements made by people who make him look bad.
https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/human-rights/hcg-found-in-who-tetanus-vaccine-in-kenya/
Origin paper no longer available. Named laboratory AriQ Quest in Nairobi, though it says 3 independent labs were involved.
Kenya PM statements:
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Raila-joins-Catholic-Church-in-opposing-tetanus-vaccine/1056-4091820-11g3lhi/index.html
Includes statements from Odinga, WHO, and UNICEF as well as all laboratories used for testing. I’ll leave it to you to figure out who you believe – that the testing sites are reputable… or not.
I expect you to amend towards reasonable conclusion even if you choose to think differently instead of “conspiracy theory”.
I agree, and tend to think we’ve wildly overestimated this thing and made a lot of mistakes out of fear and uncertainty and the cowardice of politicians. Never again. I’ll accept the risk, even of hundreds of thousands dead, over another shutdown like this.
I am about as interested in Bill Gates’ opinions about things as I am in [name your random rich person]. I don’t expect that he and I agree about almost anything. However, I have a passion for a small rural hospital in Ghana that’s been started by a friend of mine. Supporting it is a personal mission for me and my family. I’ve helped ship tons of medical equipment and supplies to Africa, and spent countless hours talking with people there and learning their needs. I have a different, more detailed sense than most, perhaps, of the challenges they face. And I won’t casually fault someone who has contributed an enormous amount of his own wealth to helping the least among us. Not without some fairly compelling evidence.